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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: james on May 19, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
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Been a while since i bought a desktop. Want to get something alot better than the current 2.6 quad core. I don't know my way around processors and motherboards anymore though. Any advice would be great!
CAS:NZXT Tempest 210 Mid-Tower Gaming Case (Black Color [+0])
CD:24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
COOLANT:Standard Coolant
CPU:Intel® Core™ i7-3820 Quad-Core 3.60 GHz 10MB Intel Smart Cache LGA2011 (All Venom OC Certified)
CS_FAN:Default case fans
FAN:Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Dual Standard 120MM Fans (Push-Pull) [+9])
HDD:2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)
IUSB:Internal USB 3.0 4-Port Hub [+29]
MEMORY:8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Quad Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
MOTHERBOARD:* (3-Way SLI Support) Gigabyte X79-UD3 Intel X79 Chipset Quad Channel DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ UEFI DualBIOS, Dolby Home Theater 7.1 Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, SATA-III RAID, 4 Gen3 PCIe X16, 2 PCIe X1 & 1 PCI
NETWORK:Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
OS:Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium [+104] (64-bit Edition)
POWERSUPPLY:1,000 Watts - Standard Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready [+26]
SOFT1:Free Microsoft® Office® 2010 STARTER EDITION (Reduced-Functionality versions of Word and Excel that include advertising) [+0]
SOUND:HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
USBX:NZXT Internal USB 6-PORT Expansion Module [+19]
VIDEO:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card [+64] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
PRICE:(+1579)
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Building that yourself, you could save about $400. You could also get a superior PSU and a better GPU.
Cyberpower has become as bad as Alienware.
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Building that yourself, you could save about $400. You could also get a superior PSU and a better GPU.
Cyberpower has become as bad as Alienware.
a 670 is pretty good, no? I'm not on par with nVidia cards, so I dont know much, but I know a lone 680 is overkill for just about any game out right now...
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contact TD, his computers are legendary in aces high. he'll build you a better computer.
http://tdcomputersystems.com/
semp
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That sounds like a whole lot of computer for $1500 and change. The processor, MB, and graphics engine alone........where are you getting it? I might buy one.
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but rich,
POWERSUPPLY:1,000 Watts - Standard Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready [+26], COOLANT:Standard Coolant
standard powersupply is probably a cheapy with >1 12v rail....and the only thing to suggest the watercooling is "Standard coolant" if it even means water cooling. Would be nice to know the pump and radiator for the water cooling if it has it, as well as whats liquid cooled, what the diameter of the tubes are and the water blocks, no?
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Mason, what specs there are for that cooling system...
http://www.asetek.com/desktop/cpu-coolers/510lc.html
that power supply and video card are more than adequate...you would only really need a 700-800 watt psu, and that video card will run 3 monitors easy. personally i'd go with the radeon 6950 2gb and save $230.
if you're going to get water cooling, may as well get a cpu that is overclockable and for gaming you only really need a quad core. drop down to one of the crossfire/sli ready z77 mobos and an i5 2550k or 3570k.
*edit* forewarning, cyberpower support is a bit flaky. if you do have an issue getting someone on the phone is almost impossible, and they will issue an rma pickup for the entire system. it takes 2 weeks turnaround to get your system back once you ship it to them.
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I would go with the I5 2550k and the 2gb 6950'. I currently have a I5 2500k with a 6850 card and it will run three monitors with everything set at the Max. I bought mine from cyber power and I am satisfied. The tech problems that I had were self induced and their support was good but I wouldn't say great.
I live about 60 miles from cyber power and that certainly was a factor in my purchase. Before you buy I certainly would talk to TD and you might be able to get a better feel on what to buy and maybe even save a few bucks. Good luck!
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Mason, what specs there are for that cooling system...
http://www.asetek.com/desktop/cpu-coolers/510lc.html
that power supply and video card are more than adequate...you would only really need a 700-800 watt psu, and that video card will run 3 monitors easy. personally i'd go with the radeon 6950 2gb and save $230.
if you're going to get water cooling, may as well get a cpu that is overclockable and for gaming you only really need a quad core. drop down to one of the crossfire/sli ready z77 mobos and an i5 2550k or 3570k.
*edit* forewarning, cyberpower support is a bit flaky. if you do have an issue getting someone on the phone is almost impossible, and they will issue an rma pickup for the entire system. it takes 2 weeks turnaround to get your system back once you ship it to them.
While they may be adequate.....you can sure as hell get a Seagate for the prices they are charging regardless of Wattage. Same goes for the video cards. My point still? Why would you overpay, when you can get better for less?
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What you would like to do with that computer?
You are buying one kickbutt card what can run any existing game maxed out (and possibly most of the games in the next 2 years) yet you are buying an 1000W PSU and a 3-way sli supporting motherboard...
To building a cheap yet kicker machine, the key is the balance between the components.
What i would do:
-a 600W PSU is enough for every possible single card solution, IF you are buying a brand one. I would recommend Corsair.
-a higher end single-GPU system (GTX670-680, HD7950-7970) will run any game maxed out for a long time. SLI or Crossfire wont give you any serious advantage since most of the monitors are limited to 60Hz also theese technologies arent working with 100% effiency. Maybe 60. You dont have to buy a sli-support motherboard too.
In the other hand, if you are planning to run multiple monitors, i would recommend a dual-GPU solution, preferably a GTX690.
-i am not a fan of the liquid cooling, just as the double fans installed on the same radiator. A 50 bucks brand air cooler can keep any CPU under 50-60 celsius, even with a powerful overclock, and do this totally silent. So... you can save some money and not losing any functionality here.
-also, building the system by yourself can save a load of money and can give you the "i made this" feeling.
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While they may be adequate.....you can sure as hell get a Seagate for the prices they are charging regardless of Wattage. Same goes for the video cards. My point still? Why would you overpay, when you can get better for less?
seagate power supply? :rofl i know you didn't actually make any real comparisons just by the b.s. you're spouting. and i hate to be the one to break it to you but the thermaltake and corsair power supplies cyberpower offers are just as good as seasonic. i'd like to see your better gtx670 2gb video card for less than $325.
here, i'll do the pricing for you based on the system i would recommend for the op...
cpu - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K = $239.99
mobo - GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard = $152.86
case - COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case = $64.98
ram - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B = $49.99
gpu - EVGA 02G-P4-2670-KR GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card = $399.99 (out of stock)
alt gpu - XFX Double D HD-695X-CDFC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity = $259.99
psu - Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W Bronze W0382RU ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply = $89.99
hdd 1 - Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (Stand-Alone Drive) = $139.99
hdd 2 - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive = $119.99
cooling - CORSAIR CWCH60 Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler = $64.99
cd/dvd-rw - ASUS DVD Burner Black SATA Model DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS = $29.97
os - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM = $99.99
diy (w/radeon 6950) = $1312.73 shipped
cyberpower gamer xtreme 2000 (w/radeon 6950)= $1381.00 shipped w/3yr warranty
there goes someone's theory...
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but rich,
POWERSUPPLY:1,000 Watts - Standard Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready [+26], COOLANT:Standard Coolant
standard powersupply is probably a cheapy with >1 12v rail....and the only thing to suggest the watercooling is "Standard coolant" if it even means water cooling. Would be nice to know the pump and radiator for the water cooling if it has it, as well as whats liquid cooled, what the diameter of the tubes are and the water blocks, no?
As it stands its adequate. For a build in the $1500 range its a deal. 1,000 watts is fine and power is one of the cheaper upgrades. Im not up on the latest but believe the MB, chip , and graphics, are pretty much leading edge for now.
Well he never responded back so it might be pure fantasy. It didnt sound legit actually.
a 670 is pretty good, no? I'm not on par with nVidia cards, so I dont know much, but I know a lone 680 is overkill for just about any game out right now...
I bought a Lone 580 back when it was overkill and I never "killed" anything. I just got flawless performance in every game I played.
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seagate power supply? :rofl i know you didn't actually make any real comparisons just by the b.s. you're spouting. and i hate to be the one to break it to you but the thermaltake and corsair power supplies cyberpower offers are just as good as seasonic. i'd like to see your better gtx670 2gb video card for less than $325.
here, i'll do the pricing for you based on the system i would recommend for the op...
cpu - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K = $239.99
mobo - GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard = $152.86
case - COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case = $64.98
ram - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B = $49.99
gpu - EVGA 02G-P4-2670-KR GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card = $399.99 (out of stock)
alt gpu - XFX Double D HD-695X-CDFC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity = $259.99
psu - Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W Bronze W0382RU ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply = $89.99
hdd 1 - Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (Stand-Alone Drive) = $139.99
hdd 2 - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive = $119.99
cooling - CORSAIR CWCH60 Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler = $64.99
cd/dvd-rw - ASUS DVD Burner Black SATA Model DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS = $29.97
os - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM = $99.99
diy (w/radeon 6950) = $1312.73 shipped
cyberpower gamer xtreme 2000 (w/radeon 6950)= $1381.00 shipped w/3yr warranty
there goes someone's theory...
I meant seasonic and used cyberpower to build me a pc in 2006. I had a stick of RAM go bad and shipped to them on a monday, got it back friday of the same week. However, you can build better for less. I only had good experiences with their customer service. With that being said, if you are going to use cyberpower or ibuypower (owned by the same guy), nowadays you might as well go to digital storm. They use modified silverstone cases for most of their builds and are more reasonable. But even TD would agree with me in that the OP's pricing is way overpriced. No theories needed.
Edit: Gyrene, when it comes to power supplies there is only one brand worth looking at since pc power and cooling is a shell of it's former self. Thermaltake and Corsair aren't even a thought, since most Corsair's use cheapened internals like OCZ does.
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I'm not sure if you plan on playing anything much other than AH, but my machine can play BF3 high res at 30+FPS in combat, mmo's at 50+ and AH NEVER below 59. I paid $1,000 and built it myself. Those high end video cards are really not worth the extra money. Youd be better to spend it on a great quad core and mobo set. Max out your RAM with quad channel and throw in an SSD. $1,500 is a waste of $$ IMO.
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Of course I shopped half amazon and half newegg and waited for the right deals, and got my os disc from my University.
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seagate power supply? :rofl i know you didn't actually make any real comparisons just by the b.s. you're spouting. and i hate to be the one to break it to you but the thermaltake and corsair power supplies cyberpower offers are just as good as seasonic. i'd like to see your better gtx670 2gb video card for less than $325.
here, i'll do the pricing for you based on the system i would recommend for the op...
cpu - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K = $239.99
mobo - GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard = $152.86
case - COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case = $64.98
ram - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B = $49.99
gpu - EVGA 02G-P4-2670-KR GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card = $399.99 (out of stock)
alt gpu - XFX Double D HD-695X-CDFC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity = $259.99
psu - Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W Bronze W0382RU ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply = $89.99
hdd 1 - Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (Stand-Alone Drive) = $139.99
hdd 2 - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive = $119.99
cooling - CORSAIR CWCH60 Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler = $64.99
cd/dvd-rw - ASUS DVD Burner Black SATA Model DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS = $29.97
os - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM = $99.99
diy (w/radeon 6950) = $1312.73 shipped
cyberpower gamer xtreme 2000 (w/radeon 6950)= $1381.00 shipped w/3yr warranty
there goes someone's theory...
you are using better components than what cyberpower will send.
semp
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you are using better components than what cyberpower will send.
semp
maybe on the hard drive and video card, but you don't want to put actual money on that do you?
Gamer Xtreme 2000 (NO MONITOR)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Adjustable HDD Cage (Black Color) [+18]
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Default case fans
Noise Reduction Technology: Power Supply Gasket [+5]
Anti-Vibration Fan Mounts [+9]
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-3570K 3.40 GHz 6MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified) - While Supply Last
Cooling Fan: Corsair Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
Motherboard: * [CrossFireX/SLI] Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H Intel Z77 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ IRST, Lucid Virtu MVP, Ultra Durable4 Classic, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, 3x Gen3 PCIe x16, 3x PCIe x1 & 1 PCI (All Venom Ultimate OC Certified) [+31]
Memory: 8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance [+23])
Video Card: AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB 16X PCIe Video Card [+95] (Major Brand Powered by AMD)
Power Supply Upgrade: 750 Watts - Thermaltake Smart Series SP-750M 80 Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply [+61]
Hard Drive: 120 GB Kingston HyperX 3K SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 555MB/s Read & 510MB/s Write [+75] (Single Drive)
Data Hard Drive: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+110] (Single Drive)
Optical Drive: Sony 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [+4] (BLACK COLOR)
Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
Network: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
Keyboard: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
Mouse: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
Internal USB Port: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
Service: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
Grand Total: $1,381.00
i changed the power supply it was a "free upgrade" from the one i originally priced out...
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They DO NOT send exact components, you see listed. Digital Storm will.
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Edit. Forget I even tried.
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maybe on the hard drive and video card, but you don't want to put actual money on that do you?
i changed the power supply it was a "free upgrade" from the one i originally priced out...
no what I am saying is that your comparison to cyberpower is way off. if you build your own, you can get better components than what cyberpower will include for the same price. have you noticed like on ram it will say "or a major brand". cyberpower uses cheaper components beginning with the power supply.
I would recommend cyberpower to somebody that cant or dont want to build their own, but they still have to research what they're gonna get. lots of their motherboards for example are micro, the power supply is a no brand name that may cost 40 for 800w. the ram may not be the corsair that you think you gonna get you may get the "other major brand" and it wont have a heat spreader...
semp
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no what I am saying is that your comparison to cyberpower is way off. if you build your own, you can get better components than what cyberpower will include for the same price. have you noticed like on ram it will say "or a major brand". cyberpower uses cheaper components beginning with the power supply.
I would recommend cyberpower to somebody that cant or dont want to build their own, but they still have to research what they're gonna get. lots of their motherboards for example are micro, the power supply is a no brand name that may cost 40 for 800w. the ram may not be the corsair that you think you gonna get you may get the "other major brand" and it wont have a heat spreader...
semp
Bingo. Those who know, "know".
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who's the manufacturer of the video card you are getting? or the hard drive? the quality does change from manufacturer to manufacture.
BINGO. PNY may be a major brand but def aren't the best.
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Corsair and Thermaltake's higher end power supplies are all made by Seasonic. The only difference between the two are the color of the paint used on the case and the labels. As far as the quality goes, it is as good as any other high end Seasonic supply.
If you folks cannot make your points without taking cheap shots at each other, then I strongly suggest you bow out of this dicussion.
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Minor hijack: How is OCZ as a PSU brand? I found a 700W for $80 with 4.5/5 stars reviews.
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I would not use OCZ. When OCZ bought PC Power & Cooling, I was hoping it was done to better enhance their own power supply line. Instead, it turned out to be only to get the name and milk it for everything they could before people realized they were going to dumb down the entire line of PC P&C.
Right now, the best quality power supplies available are made by Seasonic. Sometimes you can get a better price from Seasonic for the same supply you would pay more for from Corsair or Thermaltake.
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Sorry to take so long to reply back. I didn't put the why's and what's about the computer I listed. I was looking at Cyberpower to upgrade the current PC to a better set up. I haven't bought a new computer in about 6 years. I play more than just Aces High. i also play A10, P-51, World of Planes, Fallout New Vegas, and will be picking up Blackshark 2 soon. It's an HP from best buy with an AMD quad core 2.6ghz with 8 GB of ram and an Nvidia 9600GT and a 950W power supply. It has the following stuff plugged into it:
Warthog throttle and stick Logitech Keyboard G19 7.1 Surround sound Iphone
2 Mice 2 External Hd's Track Ir
Buttkicker set up Leo bodnar controller Saitek pedals
This pc is going to the movie watching pc now. I want to get something that will take me into the next 6 years. The budget i'm looking to spend is roughly 1500 at the most. I'm considering going to a 32" screen in the future. Figured i'd ask around is all fellas. Thanks for the replies.
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James, it appears you got no clear cut answer, some say yes do it, others say do a DIY, and there habe been a couple mentions of www.tdcomputersystems.com. it appears right now its a matter of getting whats spec'd by cyberpower, TilDeath or yourself based off your preference from what I've read.
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Yeah someone even said it was fantasy. See I didn't realize Cyberpower was like Alienware because I hadn't used them. I'll keep looking around, thanks fellas. Oh and watercooling? I'm a little paranoid of that too. I know i would have to change that to air. What happens if you catch a leak? I don't want to find that out the hard way. :)
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you catch a leak, the largest problem you face is frying whatever the leak gets too...if not the whole system. The issue with getting the watercooling, is you would have to buy ALL new coolers for the CPU and any other syrfaces cooled by it. I personally would do a DIY or contact TilDeath, but thats me. I enjoy supporting a small business or the satisfaction of doing things myself.
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cyberpower isn't exactly like alienware. since alienware was picked up by dell, the parts used aren't the same as they used to be. at this point cyberpower at least offers choices of brand name components that you can choose from and pay extra for, with the exception of the mechanical hard drives and video cards. if you look at the first page, there are price lists to compare part for part with what you could do yourself buying from newegg. and yes the part numbers were matched.
with that said, tildeath can build you a killer system that will cost you more than cyberpower or doityourself but it can be worth it if you want a quality system and have the money to spend.