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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tracerfi on May 26, 2012, 11:42:36 AM
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I have a few more practical planes that may fit the criteria for this SIM
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/Nippon/aircraft/Rita.htm
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Axis/3-Japan/04-Bombers/G8N-Rita/G8N1-Rita.htm
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Axis/3-Japan/04-Bombers/G10N1-Fugaku/G10N1-Fugaku.htm
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/Nippon/aircraft/G10N1.htm
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These never saw combat or even operational service, so they don't fit the criteria. But I would like to see ore Japanese planes also.
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They may not.
G8N was only a prototype, the G10N never left the drawing board.
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A short list of Japanese aircraft that would be viable in the LWA:
B7A2 'Grace' - A high performance torpedo bomber with two 20mm cannons in the wing roots. 114 built.
D4Y 'Judy' - Fastest diver bomber of WWII. 2000+ built.
H8K 'Emily' - Powerful four engined flying boat defended by five 20mm cannon. 167 built.
J2M 'Jack' - Mid to Late-war Japanese interceptor armed with two to four cannon. 600+ built.
Ki-44 'Tojo' - Mid-war Japanese interceptor generally armed with four 12.7mm machine guns. 1200+ built
Ki-102 'Randy - Late war Japanese twin engined strike aircraft armed with 20mm, 37mm or 50mm cannon. 200+ built.
P1Y1 'Frances' - High performance twin engined bomber armed with one 20mm cannon and one 13mm machine gun capable of carrying two 500kg bombs. 1000+ built.
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They may not.
G8N was only a prototype, the G10N never left the drawing board.
4 G8NS Built
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4 G8NS Built
Yes. 4 Prototypes. No serial production, no operational service. Just testing.
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4 G8NS Built
Prototypes don't get added in game, a criteria was already established for Aces High - A) Squadron strength B) Combat service
Of the 4 built - none did a combat sortie, it was still in development and testing, I believe one or two crashed
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A short list of Japanese aircraft that would be viable in the LWA:
B7A2 'Grace' - A high performance torpedo bomber with two 20mm cannons in the wing roots. 114 built.
D4Y 'Judy' - Fastest diver bomber of WWII. 2000+ built.
H8K 'Emily' - Powerful four engined flying boat defended by five 20mm cannon. 167 built.
J2M 'Jack' - Mid to Late-war Japanese interceptor armed with two to four cannon. 600+ built.
Ki-44 'Tojo' - Mid-war Japanese interceptor generally armed with four 12.7mm machine guns. 1200+ built
Ki-102 'Randy - Late war Japanese twin engined strike aircraft armed with 20mm, 37mm or 50mm cannon. 200+ built.
P1Y1 'Frances' - High performance twin engined bomber armed with one 20mm cannon and one 13mm machine gun capable of carrying two 500kg bombs. 1000+ built.
Ki-43-III - 1230hp engine with 2040kg airframe. 555km/h@6000m, 5000m/5min 19sec.
Ki-43-II - 1120hp engine with more light airframe. 536km~548km/h@6000m, 5000m/4min 48sec.
Ki-61-II-KAI - 1500hp engine, 225kg heavier than Ki-61-I-Tei. 20mm ammo is increased to 200rds from 120rds. 610km/h@6000m, 5000m/6min.
Ki-100-I - 1500hp air-cooled engine. lighter than Ki-61-I-Tei. good ammo and good maneuverability. 580km/h@6000m, 5000m/6min (6000m/6min from another IJAAF public reference).
Ki-61-I-Otsu - Early version of tony. 12.7mm x4 ammo and lighter than Ki-61-I-Tei. 580km/h@5000m, 5000m/5min31sec
Ki-84-I-Otsu - 20mm x4, higher top speed in record. 660km/h@6000m. it's mine.
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Ki-43-III - 1230hp engine with 2040kg airframe. 555km/h@6000m, 5000m/5min 19sec.
Ki-43-II - 1120hp engine with more light airframe. 536km~548km/h@6000m, 5000m/4min 48sec.
Ki-61-II-KAI - 1500hp engine, 225kg heavier than Ki-61-I-Tei. 20mm ammo is increased to 200rds from 120rds. 610km/h@6000m, 5000m/6min.
Ki-100-I - 1500hp air-cooled engine. lighter than Ki-61-I-Tei. good ammo and good maneuverability. 580km/h@6000m, 5000m/6min (6000m/6min from another IJAAF public reference).
Ki-61-I-Otsu - Early version of tony. 12.7mm x4 ammo and lighter than Ki-61-I-Tei. 580km/h@5000m, 5000m/5min31sec
Ki-84-I-Otsu - 20mm x4, higher top speed in record. 660km/h@6000m. it's mine.
A short list of Japanese aircraft that would be viable in the LWA:
B7A2 'Grace' - A high performance torpedo bomber with two 20mm cannons in the wing roots. 114 built.
D4Y 'Judy' - Fastest diver bomber of WWII. 2000+ built.
H8K 'Emily' - Powerful four engined flying boat defended by five 20mm cannon. 167 built.
J2M 'Jack' - Mid to Late-war Japanese interceptor armed with two to four cannon. 600+ built.
Ki-44 'Tojo' - Mid-war Japanese interceptor generally armed with four 12.7mm machine guns. 1200+ built
Ki-102 'Randy - Late war Japanese twin engined strike aircraft armed with 20mm, 37mm or 50mm cannon. 200+ built.
P1Y1 'Frances' - High performance twin engined bomber armed with one 20mm cannon and one 13mm machine gun capable of carrying two 500kg bombs. 1000+ built.
Perfect Lists :pray
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Ki-43-III - 1230hp engine with 2040kg airframe. 555km/h@6000m, 5000m/5min 19sec.
Ki-43-II - 1120hp engine with more light airframe. 536km~548km/h@6000m, 5000m/4min 48sec.
Ki-61-II-KAI - 1500hp engine, 225kg heavier than Ki-61-I-Tei. 20mm ammo is increased to 200rds from 120rds. 610km/h@6000m, 5000m/6min.
Ki-100-I - 1500hp air-cooled engine. lighter than Ki-61-I-Tei. good ammo and good maneuverability. 580km/h@6000m, 5000m/6min (6000m/6min from another IJAAF public reference).
Ki-61-I-Otsu - Early version of tony. 12.7mm x4 ammo and lighter than Ki-61-I-Tei. 580km/h@5000m, 5000m/5min31sec
Ki-84-I-Otsu - 20mm x4, higher top speed in record. 660km/h@6000m. it's mine.
Ki-84 otsu will never be added in game, only a prototype, ki-61 should be added when the upgrade when the Ki-61 gets remodeled. Ki-100 would be the only late war aircraft let out of the Japanese inventory, while Ki-43 series would cover early-late war.
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Ki-84 otsu will never be added in game, only a prototype,
Are you not thinking of the Hei Butcher?
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Ki-84-I-Hei is prototype, which had 30mm cannon.
Ki-84-I-Otsu is saw combat, 300+ built.
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Why do people keep insisting the Ki-84-I-Otsu was prototype only? It is clear the Ki-84-I-Tei was prototype only, but everything I've seen supports the Ki-84-I-Otsu being in series production and in service.
This has been pointed out repeatedly, yet the same people keep posting that it was a prototype. It is like they just spam out that claim and never look to see if there has been a reply and so never change their position.
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Perfect Lists :pray
yups, i wouldnt mind a couple of those. The japaneese lineup is pretty short anyway.
Especially the ki-44, thats my personal favourite.
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Ki-61 remodel. :pray
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the ki84 otsu would have to be perked. . . and honestly i would rather not see more perked stuff
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the ki84 otsu would have to be perked. . . and honestly i would rather not see more perked stuff
I don't think it will be perked....but ENY should be 5 or 10.
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Why do people keep insisting the Ki-84-I-Otsu was prototype only? It is clear the Ki-84-I-Tei was prototype only, but everything I've seen supports the Ki-84-I-Otsu being in series production and in service.
This has been pointed out repeatedly, yet the same people keep posting that it was a prototype. It is like they just spam out that claim and never look to see if there has been a reply and so never change their position.
Where's the proof then? I Haven't seen any credible sources have you? I would like to see production numbers - so far all my manuals come up with TOTAL Ki-84s produced. Did it see combat? How many Sentais were assigned? Combat?
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Where's the proof then? I Haven't seen any credible sources have you? I would like to see production numbers - so far all my manuals come up with TOTAL Ki-84s produced. Did it see combat? How many Sentais were assigned? Combat?
After production number 3001 is Ki-84-I-Otsu model.
Also 104th Sentai was equipped Ki-84-I-Otsu.
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After production number 3001 is Ki-84-I-Otsu model.
Also 104th Sentai was equipped Ki-84-I-Otsu.
Can't find any combat record of what the 104th did, but it appears it served in mancheria waiting the russian invasion, couple of photos show it as well, this is the markings i could find.
I was hoping it was home defense, thus way I could check american AAR's to see if any americans flew against it, but it remained in mancheria starting in november 1944.
(http://www.367thdynamitegang.com/upload/butch/otsu.jpg)
Only one issue I see is the 104th did not field an entire squadron of Otsu's, rather they had a mixed batch of combat aircraft including Ki-43s, Ki-44s and a handful of Otsu's.
Basically it looks like the 104th intercepted a few B-29s over mancheria, then ground strafed a few columns of Russian tanks just days before the war ended.
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dunno, there may have been more than a lone sentai equipped with the bird...but then, a lot of misidentification occurred during and after ww2 so sources could be sketchy.
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/japan/aircraft/fighter/nakajima-ki-84-hayate-frank.asp
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_nakajima_ki-84.html
oops, forgot the book... :uhoh
http://www.amazon.com//gp/offer-listing/1902304896/sr=/qid=/?condition=used&tag=bf-ns-author-lp-20
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dunno, there may have been more than a lone sentai equipped with the bird...but then, a lot of misidentification occurred during and after ww2 so sources could be sketchy.
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/japan/aircraft/fighter/nakajima-ki-84-hayate-frank.asp
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_nakajima_ki-84.html
oops, forgot the book... :uhoh
http://www.amazon.com//gp/offer-listing/1902304896/sr=/qid=/?condition=used&tag=bf-ns-author-lp-20
Yeah such a late war bird, plus the lack of any Japanese information really doesn't help, If 300 were built, why did 104th Sentai only have 12 Ki-84-otsu? maybe more were equip later on? so little information.
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Yeah such a late war bird, plus the lack of any Japanese information really doesn't help, If 300 were built, why did 104th Sentai only have 12 Ki-84-otsu? maybe more were equip later on? so little information.
Constant bombing of the Musashi engine factory severly limited the numbers of engines that could be produced and a lot of manufactured airframes sat idle outside the factories without engines.
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Constant bombing of the Musashi engine factory severly limited the numbers of engines that could be produced and a lot of manufactured airframes sat idle outside the factories without engines.
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Total production numbers are far different for Japan and every other country, 300 frames might of been produced, but I doubt that many engines were available, could explain the numbers.
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300 frames might of been produced, but I doubt that many engines were available, could explain the numbers.
The same thing happened with the Ki-61. A B-29 raid destroyed the plant that was making the engines for the Ki-61 and that left 275 Ki-61 airframes without an engine and it was out of this group of engineless Ki-61s that the modified into Ki-100s.
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The same thing happened with the Ki-61. A B-29 raid destroyed the plant that was making the engines for the Ki-61 and that left 275 Ki-61 airframes without an engine and it was out of this group of engineless Ki-61s that the modified into Ki-100s.
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Here's a question I have, the numbers for the Ki-84 Otsu show around 300 produced by the plant - this can be established as airframes ONLY, however I believe less then 2 dozen made it into combat based on numbers from the 104th Sentai.
Would it be right to assume the majority of these 300 were simply air frames without engines; waiting for engines to be produced? It was quite common for the Japanese to produce air frames even if engines were not available, one reason being engines were tougher to build vs air frames, so they could pump out twice the frames as engines, especially late in the war.
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Here's a question I have, the numbers for the Ki-84 Otsu show around 300 produced by the plant - this can be established as airframes ONLY, however I believe less then 2 dozen made it into combat based on numbers from the 104th Sentai.
Would it be right to assume the majority of these 300 were simply air frames without engines; waiting for engines to be produced? It was quite common for the Japanese to produce air frames even if engines were not available, one reason being engines were tougher to build vs air frames, so they could pump out twice the frames as engines, especially late in the war.
In a thread on the Ki-43 I posted a link that listed all the planes each Sentai was equipped with but it doesn't seem to be valid anymore
Japanese Army Air Force Fighter Units
1931 - 1945 (http://members.fortunecity.com/gurney/IJAAF/IJAAF.html)
But you can find the info in this book (the same info from the website was taken from this book).
Japanese Naval Air Force Fighter Units and Their Aces, 1932-1945 (http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Naval-Force-Fighter-1932-1945/dp/1906502846/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311296473&sr=8-1)
You would probably be right to assume that the majority were simply airframes waiting until for engines that were never built either because of damage to the production facilities or lack of resources.
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Butcher, there was a second production plant for the ki-84 and you're not looking at all the ki-84 equipped sentai sent to the phillipines.
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Butcher, there was a second production plant for the ki-84 and you're not looking at all the ki-84 equipped sentai sent to the phillipines.
Production of air frames is one thing, Japan had no shortage of ways to produce air frames, the problem was producing engines which the Ki-84 otsu's engine was no way an easy build, it was far complex and took quite a few man hours vs a regular Ki-84 engine. Put into perspective the Japanese could build
3 Ki-84 engines vs one Ki-61 engine.
Engine manufacturing was no easy task for the Japanese, the industry was not setup when the war began for massive manufacturing of aircraft frames or parts, it simply had to "figure it out as it went". If you look at the American side of it, we simply converted automobile factories to produce airframes at an amazing rate.
I looked at quite a few Ki-84 squadrons in philippines, none reportedly had Otsu's, best thing I can suggest to debunk this is look at After action reports for american units around philippines.
American AAR's would be the best source for information at this point, I cannot claim or declaim Otsu's were in philippines, because frankly there is a lack of information needed.
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With respect to those posting, there is an awful lot of unfettered and unsubstantiated speculation going on in this thread.
The most recent research (not that that is particularly recent) suggests as little as 100 Otsu were produced and there is no suggestion of incomplete airframes. In fact Nakajima incremented their manufacture / serial numbers (which was a unique identifier of an aeroplane) with a gap to allow for the contiguous production of the Late Production Ko (and this does not mean late in the war!). The Otsu's observable differences being the revised instrument panel, the cowl mounted Ho-5 and the differing gun ports on the top cowl, everything else was essentially identical, including the Ha-45-21 Homare engine, UNTIL you start hitting the emergency materials versions (which have different Kitai designations by the way). We know the manufacture number of the last Ko and this also was also a complete aircraft.
Good luck trying to quantify the numbers produced and furthermore identifying which Sentai had what. The manufacture numbers were sometimes encrypted as a deployment measure, the external differences are barely distinguishable and I often have difficulty even when the Ko and Otsu are parked next to each other in parallel. I have even seen pictures of mixed Sentai so this really isn't a productive line of enquiry, in my opinion.
Please do not speculate in the absence of data as it only serves to confuse the issue further. If you don't want the aircraft introduced to Aces High then please state that instead of further muddying the waters of an already difficult to navigate subject.
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Please do not speculate in the absence of data as it only serves to confuse the issue further. If you don't want the aircraft introduced to Aces High then please state that instead of further muddying the waters of an already difficult to navigate subject.
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Nobody is muddying anything, there needs to be raw proof it served in combat strength, honestly I want the Otsu added as any other Ki-84 driver - Problem is does it qualify?
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Well I'm sorry to disappoint you Butcher, but there isn't any proof, and there isn't likely to be any more proof or evidence forthcoming as the years go by. Quite the opposite I should say. The production records were mostly destroyed and the aircraft lay broken and scattered all over the Pacific theatre, along with a lot of the personnel involved. We have to use deduction and reasonable assumption and extrapolation.
To whom do you need to prove it to and how much convincing do they need? The Imperial Army hardly commissioned Nakajima to make this up-armed version while they were still making the Ko only to have them do what? Serve as trainers? There are photographs of Otsu fielded next to Ko, in Sentai markings. And there aren't that many photographs of the Hayate in the first place compared to say the Spitfire.
The Otsu is nothing special, no experimental equipment, no remarkable engine or special features, just a slight armament upgrade and a tiny bit more power and less weight over the Aces High version of the Hayate and that's only because it was based on the Late Production Ko.
Does it qualify? I don't know because I have still heard no confirmation of HTC's conditions. I have pointed out twice previously that there is the opportunity to economically include three non-experimental production models of the Nakajima Hayate if the 3D model is ever revised. Whether there is the will to do so is another matter.
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In my opinion, it faced B-29s and ground strafed Russian tank columns - if the METEOR was added to the vote count, then the Ki-84 Otsu should be given a chance to be added in game.
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Didn't many of the japanese prototypes fly in combat.
I seem to remember instances where 1 or more planes were given to a skilled squadron for evaluation long before they were formally introduced.
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Didn't many of the japanese prototypes fly in combat.
I seem to remember instances where 1 or more planes were given to a skilled squadron for evaluation long before they were formally introduced.
There's a fine line between Prototype and combat evaluation, for example the Japanese always gave a squadron to combat test planes before production even started, Ki-44 for example, I forget the Sentai who tested it, but it was evaluated in a combat criteria, but did not face much opposition, if I am correct it would of been around Java '42.
Combat evaluation came back in favor, although pilots didn't like the aircraft much - it went into production.
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There's a fine line between Prototype and combat evaluation, for example the Japanese always gave a squadron to combat test planes before production even started, Ki-44 for example, I forget the Sentai who tested it, but it was evaluated in a combat criteria, but did not face much opposition, if I am correct it would of been around Java '42.
Combat evaluation came back in favor, although pilots didn't like the aircraft much - it went into production.
I believe that it was the 47th Dokuritsu Chutai that was the first one to do the combat trials with the Ki44, early '42 if I remember correctly.
Would love to have that plane as well.
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Hmmm.......KI44 in the early war arena.....
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Ki-44 with telescopic sights... :D
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I'd be very interested in adding the Ki-44, something funny it doesn't share anything like other Japanese Planes, it was built as an interceptor with a climb rate and decent armament and quite a bit faster then other Japanese planes (375 topped out).
Only bad part was having only 750 or so rounds of the 4x 12.7mms - seems a rather weak ammo count, but then again it brings back the old "get extremely close and don't miss" theory.
I know quite a few sentai's flew them, eventually phased out for Ki-84s - but it would make a great midwar bird :)
What about adding the J2M? 4 cannon bird, pure interceptor used to combat B-29s although it couldn't do much against B-29s due to the extreme alt.
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I would like to see both the Ki-44 and J2M3 or J2M5.
Ki-44 could also have the 40mm recoilless rifles as an option. They had absolutely horrid muzzle velocity, but if you managed to hit a bomber with it....
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I would like to see both the Ki-44 and J2M3 or J2M5.
Ki-44 could also have the 40mm recoilless rifles as an option. They had absolutely horrid muzzle velocity, but if you managed to hit a bomber with it....
It would be fun, but only 9 rounds per each gun!
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What about adding the J2M? 4 cannon bird, pure interceptor used to combat B-29s although it couldn't do much against B-29s due to the extreme alt.
Which is weird considering how many B-29 raids were low altitude...
But did they only switch to low-alt raids after airborne resistance was pretty much over?
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Which is weird considering how many B-29 raids were low altitude...
But did they only switch to low-alt raids after airborne resistance was pretty much over?
The switch to low level bombing came after LeMay took over and the main reason was the inaccuracy of high level bombing runs and other problems due to the Jet Stream.
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Especially the ki-44, thats my personal favourite.
Mine aswell.
Would be a great to have a new version release where both Ki-43 variants and Ki-44-II would be added simultaniously.
Ki-44 is beautiful fighter:
(http://www.the-vaw.com/images/Ki44s.jpg)
Artwork by Jerry Boucher
http://www.the-vaw.com/html/main.php (http://www.the-vaw.com/html/main.php)
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Great plane.....been flying it for years.
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D3A remodel. :aok The only Japanese plane I actually go out of my way to fly on occasion.
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(http://www9.plala.or.jp/fukugiya/48-160-0811.jpg)
:pray
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Well that new A6M5b added to the game seems to fly like a P-51. I tested it in dives and it will do 560mph and survive the pull out. It will turn like a Spitfire at over 350mph. What even happen to compression and control lock up on the Zeros? Maybe it is a bug with that model Zeke? Test it yourself or go the the DA and record people flying the A6M5b and look at the speeds. This is not a troll just an observation and a bit of a question about that last Zero added. Two of the performance charts I looked at was Aircraft of WWII and Jane's Aircraft of the World and they both have this plane a 351mph and 425mph top dive speed but I did see higher dive speeds in other source material but none over 500mph like our new Zeke.
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The A6M5b was added in 2000. Do you mean the A6M3? It certainly suffers heavy controls at speed and the bug it had with being too fast at altitude was fixed.
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Well that new A6M5b added to the game seems to fly like a P-51. I tested it in dives and it will do 560mph and survive the pull out. It will turn like a Spitfire at over 350mph. What even happen to compression and control lock up on the Zeros? Maybe it is a bug with that model Zeke? Test it yourself or go the the DA and record people flying the A6M5b and look at the speeds. This is not a troll just an observation and a bit of a question about that last Zero added. Two of the performance charts I looked at was Aircraft of WWII and Jane's Aircraft of the World and they both have this plane a 351mph and 425mph top dive speed but I did see higher dive speeds in other source material but none over 500mph like our new Zeke.
Huh...say what.
Sorry bud, I fly the Zekes quite a bit and I can't see what your talking about. Although the Zeke 5 will get to 450mph or so in a dive....it's a straight line dive as you can barely turn or roll the plane at that speed. Heck at 325mph it's hard to shake and bake in the Zeke. I dont see or feel a problem in my favorite bird.
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Huh...say what.
Sorry bud, I fly the Zekes quite a bit and I can't see what your talking about. Although the Zeke 5 will get to 450mph or so in a dive....it's a straight line dive as you can barely turn or roll the plane at that speed. Heck at 325mph it's hard to shake and bake in the Zeke. I dont see or feel a problem in my favorite bird.
Ever since you whipped my arse in a Ki-61 long ago in a snapshot (year ago I think?) I made it one of my fondest birds to fly in snapshots/scenarios. Kinda wish we had more versions of the Ki-61 to play with, earlier models were much lighter but the gun package was horrid.
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Ever since you whipped my arse in a Ki-61 long ago in a snapshot (year ago I think?) I made it one of my fondest birds to fly in snapshots/scenarios. Kinda wish we had more versions of the Ki-61 to play with, earlier models were much lighter but the gun package was horrid.
You and me both brother. Here's to hoping HTC will not forget about our beloved Hien :cheers:
I would love to have an updated Tei, the Ostu with the Hei gun pack as an option, or the Hei with the Ostu gun pack, and of course the crowd pleaser the Ki-100. :joystick:
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You and me both brother. Here's to hoping HTC will not forget about our beloved Hien :cheers:
I would love to have an updated Tei, the Ostu with the Hei gun pack as an option, or the Hei with the Ostu gun pack, and of course the crowd pleaser the Ki-100. :joystick:
Agreed, hightone-san! :rock
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Why can't the underdogs get represented for once? +1 any japanese plane :(
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I got a film of this Zero doing 560+ if I can figure out how to post it. Maybe it is a bug that is why I brought it up. I will have to look again at the plane I used.
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I chased a ki67 that maintained near 480mph for an entire sector in a descent from 30k.
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I chased a ki67 that maintained near 480mph for an entire sector in a descent from 30k.
I just did a test from 20k in a Ki67, you can max out at 450 in a dive nose down anything more then you lose vital pieces, assuming you can actually hold it at 450mph.
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KI67 level flight with 5 minutes to stabilize.
I'm OK with the 328mph at 25,000 feet.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7455568096_4e0dc9ed17_b.jpg)
Being able to go 497mph and maintain over 450mph for nearly an entire sector without losing a bunch of parts is a little bit unrealistic.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7251/7455568556_5a05e7b933_b.jpg)
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KI67 level flight with 5 minutes to stabilize.
I'm OK with the 328mph at 25,000 feet.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7455568096_4e0dc9ed17_b.jpg)
Being able to go 497mph and maintain over 450mph for nearly an entire sector without losing a bunch of parts is a little bit unrealistic.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7251/7455568556_5a05e7b933_b.jpg)
I tested this from 20k and dove to 480, I lost my Elevators followed by a wing when I hit 490.
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I can send the film if you want it.
BTW.........I see you closing in on landing 10 kill sortie in the I16.
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I can send the film if you want it.
BTW.........I see you closing in on landing 10 kill sortie in the I16.
Wasn't attempting too, I already done it twice - it was a Bish CV raid, probably have screenshots of doing it with 10/15 kills somewhere. I enjoy the challenge of trying to land 10/15/20 in eny planes above 25, straight combat without BNZ or picking.
I alt cap myself at 8k so I have to literally choose my fights.
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I know a current thread that would collapse like a black hole if you posted a screenshot with 10 landed kills in the buffer.
My hard deck is 15k.
You would be surprised how many fighter planes you meet up there but flying high is more a byproduct of my working from home in my own shop much of the time and just setting planes on a climb while AFK.
I find a lot more 1 VS 1 up there and the dynamics of a high altitude dogfight are very different than low altitude fighting.
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Just gotta be in the right place at the right time. :aok