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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ROC on May 26, 2012, 11:43:36 PM
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ONE OF THE LAST OF ITS KIND
"There's no more ships like this in existence in the active navies anywhere in the world," said Robert Kent, president of the Pacific Battleship Center. "They've either been sunk, scrapped or turned into museums and the Iowa is the last battleship to find a home."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/27/us-usa-battleship-iowa-idUSBRE84Q00F20120527 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/27/us-usa-battleship-iowa-idUSBRE84Q00F20120527)
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ONE OF THE LAST OF ITS KIND
"There's no more ships like this in existence in the active navies anywhere in the world," said Robert Kent, president of the Pacific Battleship Center. "They've either been sunk, scrapped or turned into museums and the Iowa is the last battleship to find a home."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/27/us-usa-battleship-iowa-idUSBRE84Q00F20120527 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/27/us-usa-battleship-iowa-idUSBRE84Q00F20120527)
It's the end of an era. Once the big boy of the sea, now overrun by technological advancement.
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Yea, I will always treasure my time on the USS Missouri 88, 89, and 91. At least I can go to Pearl and see my ole ship!!!! :salute
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:salute To a wonderful Lady and the sailors and others who cared for her.
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I read somewhere last week that part of the deal is they have to maintain her in a condition where it could be recommissioned in a national emergency. Can't find that article now.
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I still can't believe the wierdos in San Francisco voted down the opportunity to host the ship museum as a way to protest President Bush's policies. Shortsighted idiots chasing shadows.
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I read somewhere last week that part of the deal is they have to maintain her in a condition where it could be recommissioned in a national emergency. Can't find that article now.
All the Iowa class battleships are kept that way. It's not too well know to the public and thats the way they want it!! :salute
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Smart move to put it near where the aliens are sure to invade.
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We have the USS Massachusetts. I love driving down and spending a day onboard her and the other ships in the cove.
http://battleshipcove.com/bb59-history.htm
:salute to all the armed forces this weekend.
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I still can't believe the wierdos in San Francisco voted down the opportunity to host the ship museum as a way to protest President Bush's policies. Shortsighted idiots chasing shadows.
Amen..soft headed morons arguing it glorifies war. Its a badass memorial and it sucks to lose it.
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:salute
I'm glad it's not being scrapped.
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So why is LA keeping it? Did the the state of Iowa not want it?
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So why is LA keeping it? Did the the state of Iowa not want it?
Get a map. You couldn't get that thing up or down the Mississippi or the Missouri.
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I still can't believe the wierdos in San Francisco voted down the opportunity to host the ship museum as a way to protest President Bush's policies. Shortsighted idiots chasing shadows.
They didn't do it to protest Bush. It was a contentious issue back during Clinton's term too.
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Why would they keep it in condition to be able to fight? The more advanced ships of other navies could god forbid, knock a old ship like that out of the water with the newer technologies. Is the USS Missouri in the same condition to where it could be recommissioned fast if it had to?
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A crappy, last minute defense is better than no defense at all. ;)
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Why would they keep it in condition to be able to fight? The more advanced ships of other navies could god forbid, knock a old ship like that out of the water with the newer technologies. Is the USS Missouri in the same condition to where it could be recommissioned fast if it had to?
All four Iowa class ships are decommissioned, but well maintained. They could, if the need arise, be refitted for use... It would take at least a year for the machinery, and I don't know about powder and shell...
With Iowa going to LA, she's the last to finally get a port. New Jersey is in the Delaware River at Camden. Wisconsin is tied up alongside the Nauticus Museum, in Norfolk harbor. Missouri is tied up in Pearl Harbor, adjacent to the Arizona.
When the Wisconsin and Missouri were in action during the Gulf War, they were armed with 32 Tomahawks, 16 Harpoons and four 20 mm Phalanx CIWS mounts. If these were reactivated, Navy preliminary plans in 2010 called for the installation of four RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile systems, and two RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile systems. In addition, a radar suite based on that of the Arleigh Burke class DDs was under consideration. That said, it's highly unlikely that any of these ships will ever be recommissioned. If these ships were to come back to service, they would have all of the latest technology, and the ability to shrug off hits that would do serious damage to anything else in the fleet.
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All four Iowa class ships are decommissioned, but well maintained. They could, if the need arise, be refitted for use... It would take at least a year for the machinery, and I don't know about powder and shell...
With Iowa going to LA, she's the last to finally get a port. New Jersey is in the Delaware River at Camden. Wisconsin is tied up alongside the Nauticus Museum, in Norfolk harbor. Missouri is tied up in Pearl Harbor, adjacent to the Arizona.
When the Wisconsin and Missouri were in action during the Gulf War, they were armed with 32 Tomahawks, 16 Harpoons and four 20 mm Phalanx CIWS mounts. If these were reactivated, Navy preliminary plans in 2010 called for the installation of four RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile systems, and two RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile systems. In addition, a radar suite based on that of the Arleigh Burke class DDs was under consideration. That said, it's highly unlikely that any of these ships will ever be recommissioned. If these ships were to come back to service, they would have all of the latest technology, and the ability to shrug off hits that would do serious damage to anything else in the fleet.
So Battleship did get something remotely right as in the 0.00001% range of could happen. Didn't know they had been modernized, read up after you posted and saw that for myself.
A crappy, last minute defense is better than no defense at all. ;)
Had that proven many times in world of tanks
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Why would they keep it in condition to be able to fight? The more advanced ships of other navies could god forbid, knock a old ship like that out of the water with the newer technologies. Is the USS Missouri in the same condition to where it could be recommissioned fast if it had to?
Find us a "modern" ship with better armor. Then keep in mind that it would be given the same countermeasures as anything else in our modern fleet.
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Why would they keep it in condition to be able to fight? The more advanced ships of other navies could god forbid, knock a old ship like that out of the water with the newer technologies. Is the USS Missouri in the same condition to where it could be recommissioned fast if it had to?
Lol...it would take a nuke to dent it. I read one Skipper of a Missouri-class BB saying that they could fire all the Silkworm missles they wanted at the ship...all they would need is a bit of new paint afterwards to touch up the damage :D
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Why would they keep it in condition to be able to fight? The more advanced ships of other navies could god forbid, knock a old ship like that out of the water with the newer technologies. Is the USS Missouri in the same condition to where it could be recommissioned fast if it had to?
The firepower these ships have and I'm not talking just about the 16" guns is way off the scale. No they could not knock these old ships out that easily, armor wise they have have more armor than any modern ship period. Self defence systems on these ships make them practically indestructable. The reason they were decomissioned the last time is because of cost. Yes the USS Missouri is. She just came back out of drydock here not too long ago. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the gov is doing lol :salute
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We had 6 CWIS systems on the Missouri!!!
All four Iowa class ships are decommissioned, but well maintained. They could, if the need arise, be refitted for use... It would take at least a year for the machinery, and I don't know about powder and shell...
With Iowa going to LA, she's the last to finally get a port. New Jersey is in the Delaware River at Camden. Wisconsin is tied up alongside the Nauticus Museum, in Norfolk harbor. Missouri is tied up in Pearl Harbor, adjacent to the Arizona.
When the Wisconsin and Missouri were in action during the Gulf War, they were armed with 32 Tomahawks, 16 Harpoons and four 20 mm Phalanx CIWS mounts. If these were reactivated, Navy preliminary plans in 2010 called for the installation of four RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile systems, and two RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile systems. In addition, a radar suite based on that of the Arleigh Burke class DDs was under consideration. That said, it's highly unlikely that any of these ships will ever be recommissioned. If these ships were to come back to service, they would have all of the latest technology, and the ability to shrug off hits that would do serious damage to anything else in the fleet.
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All four Iowa class ships are decommissioned, but well maintained. They could, if the need arise, be refitted for use... It would take at least a year for the machinery, and I don't know about powder and shell...
With Iowa going to LA, she's the last to finally get a port. New Jersey is in the Delaware River at Camden. Wisconsin is tied up alongside the Nauticus Museum, in Norfolk harbor. Missouri is tied up in Pearl Harbor, adjacent to the Arizona.
When the Wisconsin and Missouri were in action during the Gulf War, they were armed with 32 Tomahawks, 16 Harpoons and four 20 mm Phalanx CIWS mounts. If these were reactivated, Navy preliminary plans in 2010 called for the installation of four RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile systems, and two RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile systems. In addition, a radar suite based on that of the Arleigh Burke class DDs was under consideration. That said, it's highly unlikely that any of these ships will ever be recommissioned. If these ships were to come back to service, they would have all of the latest technology, and the ability to shrug off hits that would do serious damage to anything else in the fleet.
lol I was on the USS Missouri for the first gulf war. I knew what we had so I never once worried about getting sunk, or even a scratch for that matter!!!!
:devil :salute
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Military channel says it's the best fighting ship of all time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDXk7oblfk
(http://goshycab.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1.2-Iowa-Battleship.jpg)
(http://ilovebubbadogs.com/bubbapress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/iowa1.jpg)
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Full of envy, aliens in battleship had no idea what they were up against at the end. Like i've stated before the only scene I really liked in Battleship was when the Missouri dropped anchor, swung out and fired a full broadside into the alien space ship, Ship raped the crap out of the aliens.
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Why would they keep it in condition to be able to fight? The more advanced ships of other navies could god forbid, knock a old ship like that out of the water with the newer technologies. Is the USS Missouri in the same condition to where it could be recommissioned fast if it had to?
Those things were made with the best steel ever put on a warship. I'd rather be on one of them then even a CV if a missile was IB.
They are not frigates and they would NOT be easy to sink.
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My father in law was on the Iowa very late in WWII and into the occupation of Japan. He was studying to be an engineer, so in the Navy he requested to be put in the engine room on a destroyer escort, where he could have some responsibility and have a real impact. He got the engine room on a battleship instead. He still vividly recalls the ships in Tokyo Bay painted red/orange for the Bikini atomic tests.
If he can hang on for a couple more years, it would be my privilege to take him to LA to tour his ship once again when it is open. Hopefully the engine room will be, at Pearl on the Missouri the engine room wasn't open the last time I was there, maybe 6 years or so ago.
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If he can hang on for a couple more years, it would be my privilege to take him to LA to tour his ship once again when it is open. Hopefully the engine room will be, at Pearl on the Missouri the engine room wasn't open the last time I was there, maybe 6 years or so ago.
If it's not on the tour, contact the museum and request a guided tour of his old workplace. Most museums are very open to offering this sort of special tour for veterans.
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I can visit our old WWI/II Battleship Texas (BB-35). It floats just about 2 miles from where I sit right now.
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/120/306475756_103c079c22_z.jpg?zz=1)
The San Jacinto Monument in the background.
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If it's not on the tour, contact the museum and request a guided tour of his old workplace. Most museums are very open to offering this sort of special tour for veterans.
Since he served on the ship at that time the people in charge of restoration may need some valued input.
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Only one i've seen is BB-60 in Alabama when I was a little one, coolest day of my life that I can remember
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If it's not on the tour, contact the museum and request a guided tour of his old workplace. Most museums are very open to offering this sort of special tour for veterans.
Thanks for the input. My family is heading back to Hawaii in late December/early January, and if we can take him for that purpose it would be extraordinary. I have called the Missouri's tourist office and left a message, as well as sent them a detailed email. Maybe good things can be done.
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So why is LA keeping it? Did the the state of Iowa not want it?
It was offered, and gatefuly accepted. She's getting a good home, although not as scenic or historicly signifigant as Frisco imho.
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So Battleship did get something remotely right as in the 0.00001% range of could happen. Didn't know they had been modernized, read up after you posted and saw that for myself.
Had that proven many times in world of tanks
If I recall, at least one of them tore the occupying Iraqis "waiting and ready" in Kuwait a new one before the Marines went in and cleared out the remaining rats who managed to find a suitable hole to hide in.
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If I recall, at least one of them tore the occupying Iraqis "waiting and ready" in Kuwait a new one before the Marines went in and cleared out the remaining rats who managed to find a suitable hole to hide in.
Wisconson. My old boss was CO during 91 - RADM David Bill.
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Wisconson. My old boss was CO during 91 - RADM David Bill.
Holy cow he has 2 first names. He should have been in NASCAR. :D
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I can visit our old WWI/II Battleship Texas (BB-35). It floats just about 2 miles from where I sit right now.
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/120/306475756_103c079c22_z.jpg?zz=1)
The San Jacinto Monument in the background.
Yea Shuffler, if you've been on her did you notice that it's remarkable shap for a 100 year old ship!!! She can even still pack a hell of a punch too, those main gun are well maintained. I've been on her back in 03, being a battleship vet I got to talk to the ships curator, he told me they check those guns at least once a month. hell I love how the anti ircraft guns still moved freely!!! :salute
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My father in law was on the Iowa very late in WWII and into the occupation of Japan. He was studying to be an engineer, so in the Navy he requested to be put in the engine room on a destroyer escort, where he could have some responsibility and have a real impact. He got the engine room on a battleship instead. He still vividly recalls the ships in Tokyo Bay painted red/orange for the Bikini atomic tests.
If he can hang on for a couple more years, it would be my privilege to take him to LA to tour his ship once again when it is open. Hopefully the engine room will be, at Pearl on the Missouri the engine room wasn't open the last time I was there, maybe 6 years or so ago.
:salute to your father in law!!!!
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By memory they were upgraded with Harpoon, and I also believe, VLS systems for Tomahawk and Standard air defense missiles. They were also upgraded with Phalanx for ASM defense. I dont believe they were upgraded with Sparrow but it wouldnt be hard to throw a few Enhanced Sea Sparrow systems on them.
Then Bingo! You have a 2012 ship with really BFGs.
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By memory they were upgraded with Harpoon, and I also believe, VLS systems for Tomahawk and Standard air defense missiles. They were also upgraded with Phalanx for ASM defense. I dont believe they were upgraded with Sparrow but it wouldnt be hard to throw a few Enhanced Sea Sparrow systems on them.
Then Bingo! You have a 2012 ship with really BFGs.
VLS, no - not enough space without deleting the aft turret or losing the helipad. TLAM was in armored boxes on exposed deck of old 5" twin mountings. EverythIng else correct
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5ATYPrZnSQ USS Wisconsin firing her guns for the final time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj-15O-BTDw&feature=related Same ship - headed to Japan before the Gulf War.
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VLS, no - not enough space without deleting the aft turret or losing the helipad. TLAM was in armored boxes on exposed deck of old 5" twin mountings. EverythIng else correct
AH, TY.
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I can visit our old WWI/II Battleship Texas (BB-35). It floats just about 2 miles from where I sit right now.
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/120/306475756_103c079c22_z.jpg?zz=1)
The San Jacinto Monument in the background.
I always like visiting that place.
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Wisconson. My old boss was CO during 91 - RADM David Bill.
Real cool, bet he's a guy with a good story or two.
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My father in law was on the Iowa very late in WWII and into the occupation of Japan. He was studying to be an engineer, so in the Navy he requested to be put in the engine room on a destroyer escort, where he could have some responsibility and have a real impact. He got the engine room on a battleship instead. He still vividly recalls the ships in Tokyo Bay painted red/orange for the Bikini atomic tests.
If he can hang on for a couple more years, it would be my privilege to take him to LA to tour his ship once again when it is open. Hopefully the engine room will be, at Pearl on the Missouri the engine room wasn't open the last time I was there, maybe 6 years or so ago.
Hey Stoliman, real sorry I overlooked your post yesterday in this thread. It reminded me fondly of my grandpas stories of Hawaii right after the war and all the red/orange livery PACKED into the harbor for the Bikinis. Last thing he did was sit in Pearl for over a year due to delays (the poor guy), being sent home a month or two before the test.
He was a welder/mechanic aboard submarines twords the end of the war.
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In response to eagl's suggestion - thank you sir! - I called the folks at the Missouri yesterday and talked with a very nice guy. I explained to him what daddy in law did and how it was currently not on the public tour. I asked if any sort of exception could be made if I could get him out there, and was clear to explain that even though he is mid-80s he can get up and down ladders easier than I can right now. The guy hemmed and hawed, but eventually agreed that they would open up non-public areas of the Missouri, including the engine room, for him to see.
I'm trying to get him out to Hawaii in either August or December, and I will use my miles if I have enough to upgrade him to first class. He has not done that before (neither have I frankly, but rank/age hath its privileges).
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That is great. I hope your father-in-law can and will make the trip.
You are a great son-in-law I might add. :salute
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That is so cool of you to do that for him :salute I hope to get back to my ship to see here at least one more time before I die. I'm not ashamed to say I well up with tears everytime I something about the USS Missouri, The Mighty Mo will always be in my heart. I have alot of great memories from my time on her!!! :salute
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Real cool, bet he's a guy with a good story or two.
He's still quite a guy. My wife's father was unable to make the wedding and he asked officer to officer - and he stood in for him.
(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/575245_10151007682531214_656951213_12221728_1207986950_n.jpg)
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Are all of them out of commission? If I remember correctly there is the USS Iowa, Missouri, New Jersey, and Wisconsin.
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Are all of them out of commission? If I remember correctly there is the USS Iowa, Missouri, New Jersey, and Wisconsin.
Yes they are all decomssioned
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Yes they are all decomssioned
That's Sad. :( They all where great Warships. I want to make my way over to Pearl Harbor to see the Missouri.
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That's Sad. :( They all where great Warships. I want to make my way over to Pearl Harbor to see the Missouri.
I'm hoping to get to Pearl this summer or next to see my old ship. Gotta do it soon before my legs wont let me anymore!!!
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The Missouri's radio room is still functioning & some Ham Radio Ops have a "Field Day" in it on the anniversary. They'll send you a nice post-card when you make contact. :salute
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The Missouri's radio room is still functioning & some Ham Radio Ops have a "Field Day" in it on the anniversary. They'll send you a nice post-card when you make contact. :salute
COOL!!!!!! :airplane: :devil :salute