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Title: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Torquila on May 28, 2012, 07:34:01 AM
What does the term "Skill" mean in your mind when you consider Aces high?


Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: zack1234 on May 28, 2012, 08:37:08 AM
nothing  :old:

Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Torquila on May 28, 2012, 08:45:19 AM
Well; I was thinking more like.

Some people see "Skill" as something that transcends plane/battle experience; an extention of their very being/ego. Where as some people might see skill just an after effect of accumulated plane/battle time. Sort of thing...

Anyone else?
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: zack1234 on May 28, 2012, 08:57:05 AM
Having fun is the main skill in this game to others with egos skill is very different and is just a manifestation of their out cartoon plane land lives :old:

I don't tune to 200 and refrain from replying to moody pm's because I view this as a skill :)

I think Midway has great skill because he enrages large parts of the community and at the same time gains great admiration for his positive attitude and fun :old:

Sec was good yesterday :old:

Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Guppy35 on May 28, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
Skill is something I've developed in 15 + years of cartoon air combat, that has allowed me to keep playing and maintain a happy marriage :aok
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: SlipKnt on May 28, 2012, 09:01:34 AM
No...   ...this list is not a jab ant ANYONE!!!  These are some of the things that have gotten me killed.  As you can tell, I have no skill (well, not much skill).

 :devil

1.  Knowing how to HO without dying.
2.  Knowing how to pick.
3.  Knowing how to turn fight.
4.  Knowing how to convince (on channel 200) the guy you are fighting they are doing it wrong and get them to come back and fight the wrong fight in the plane they are in.
5.  Knowing how a map works (which bases to take and in what order).
6.  Knowing the plane you are in and the plane you are up against.
7.  Knowing how to score kills against superior numbers and somehow land them there kills.
8.  Knowing how to kill GVs for air or land (or from the 8 inch guns near a beach).
9.  Knowing the concept of the game (play your way and have fun doing it).
10. Knowing how to bomb manually (Most FSOs and AvA).
11. Knowing how to shut down any size airfield, white flag the town, and get troops out...   ...all in one pass.
12. Knowing how to fight a 5 to 10 minute white knuckle, sweaty dog fight, and win or lose, salute your opponent regardless of the outcome, then review the film (win or lose) to see how you can improve.

There are many perceptions of skill in this game.  I hope I identified some of them.  

I don't want to hihack the thread, but as an example...   It is always funny to me to see someone that got killed by someone elses HO, call out the HO person as a no skill person, even if that HO person is still flying and the complainer is in the tower.  HOing is part of the game (unfortunately), it will never go away.  I try to never HO on the first 3 merges unless I am WAY outnumbered.  I sometimes line up like I am going to HO so I can see how to avoid getting hit from it.  The simple fact is, if you can HO someone and live through it without damaging your plane, that is skill.  If you HO ram, then that (in my mind) is no skill.  But, if I get HO rammed while defending, I am assuming I am close to troops and that was a last ditch effort to keep me from getting close to their troops.  In that scenario, it would make sense.

Anyways, that is my 2 cents.

 :rock
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: SlipKnt on May 28, 2012, 09:02:45 AM
Having fun is the main skill in this game to others with egos skill is very different and is just a manifestation of their out cartoon plane land lives :old:

I don't tune to 200 and refrain from replying to moody pm's because I view this as a skill :)

I think Midway has great skill because he enrages large parts of the community and at the same time gains great admiration for his positive attitude and fun :old:

Sec was good yesterday :old:



BINGO!!!!

 :aok
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Debrody on May 28, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Skill is:
giving up the advantage, fighting the opponents fight but still winning.
There are a couple out there thinking the same way and i LUV playing with them.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Rob52240 on May 28, 2012, 09:26:02 AM
Skill is:
giving up the advantage, fighting the opponents fight but still winning.
There are a couple out there thinking the same way and i LUV playing with them.

+1

This is also why I prefer the K4 to the Dora, you can take the bait without getting caught every stinking time.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Widewing on May 28, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
Skill is:
giving up the advantage, fighting the opponents fight but still winning.
There are a couple out there thinking the same way and i LUV playing with them.

Completely agree. Unfortunately, when I'm able to play, it's 3 AM where you live.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Widewing on May 28, 2012, 09:59:57 AM
Aside from mastering the game mechanics and Basic Flight Maneuvers (basic skills), there are advanced skill sets.

The detailed list would be very long, but it starts with Situational Awareness. Everything else is born of SA. Using the map to determine where and how many enemy are in your sector and surrounding sectors. Using the map to determine where the nearest threat is. Using visual observation where the actual enemy is relative to you, while determining his E state and the level of threat. Doing this for multiple enemies within visual range is essential for dealing with all of them effectively. Of course, SA is equally important on the offensive as well as defensive.

Command of Air Combat Maneuvering (this is something you cannot learn without practicing... Read Shaw at the very least)
Accurate judgement of enemy E states (without this ability, you cannot assess threats reliably)
Wingman tactics (learning to fly effectively as a mutually supporting team)
Mastery of aircraft (knowing the true ability of your aircraft, even every aircraft, and being able to exploit strengths and avoid weaknesses. Being able to exploit the weaknesses of the enemy aircraft)
Gunnery (the best killers are usually the best shots as well)

Last thoughts: Concentrate on being as good as you can be, without comparing yourself to others. Some players have a higher talent level for this than others, just like in athletics or academics. If you find yourself dwelling on others, you will enjoy the game far less. Few, if any of us, have the talent to be professional baseball players, but we can certainly enjoy the weekend softball league and have fun. So, above all... Have fun. Just remember that a little practice and skill development can add to that fun (just like playing softball).

(edited typo)
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Alky on May 28, 2012, 10:15:19 AM
To me "having" skill is not dying more than getting kills.   :old:   :cheers:
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 28, 2012, 10:22:09 AM
Talking to a strange girl in the evening and waking up with her in the morning.  :devil
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: ALFAMEGA51 on May 28, 2012, 10:39:35 AM
Skill is:
giving up the advantage, fighting the opponents fight but still winning.
There are a couple out there thinking the same way and i LUV playing with them.
Thats how i think of it, winning even when your at the disadvantage  :cheers:
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: BluBerry on May 28, 2012, 10:52:17 AM
Aside from mastering the game mechanics and Basic Flight Maneuvers (basic skills), there are advanced skill sets.

The detailed list would be very long, but it starts with Situational Awareness. Everything else is born of SA. Using the map to determine where and how many enemy are in your sector and surrounding sectors. Using the map to determine where the nearest threat is. Using visual observation where the actual enemy is relative to you, while determining his E state and the level of threat. Doing this for multiple enemies within visual range is essential for dealing with all of them effectively. Of course, SA is equally important on the offensive as well as defensive.

Command of Air Combat Maneuvering (this is something you cannot learn without practicing... Read Shaw at the very least)
Accurate judgement of enemy E states (without this ability, you cannot assess threats reliably)
Wingman tactics (learning to fly effectively as a mutually supporting team)
Mastery of aircraft (knowing the true ability of your aircraft, even every aircraft, and being able to exploit strengths and avoid weaknesses. Being able to exploit the weaknesses of the enemy aircraft)
Gunnery (the best killers are usually the best shots as well)

Last thoughts: Concentrate on being as good as you can be, without comparing yourself to others. Some players have a higher talent level for this than others, just like in athletics or academics. If you find yourself dwelling on others, you will enjoy the game far less. Few, if any of us, have the talent to be professional baseball players, but we can certainly enjoy the weekend softball league and have fun. So, above all... Have fun. Just remember that a little practice and skill development can add to that fun (just like playing softball).

(edited typo)

+1. Nice read.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: The Fugitive on May 28, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
Aside from mastering the game mechanics and Basic Flight Maneuvers (basic skills), there are advanced skill sets.

The detailed list would be very long, but it starts with Situational Awareness. Everything else is born of SA. Using the map to determine where and how many enemy are in your sector and surrounding sectors. Using the map to determine where the nearest threat is. Using visual observation where the actual enemy is relative to you, while determining his E state and the level of threat. Doing this for multiple enemies within visual range is essential for dealing with all of them effectively. Of course, SA is equally important on the offensive as well as defensive.

Command of Air Combat Maneuvering (this is something you cannot learn without practicing... Read Shaw at the very least)
Accurate judgement of enemy E states (without this ability, you cannot assess threats reliably)
Wingman tactics (learning to fly effectively as a mutually supporting team)
Mastery of aircraft (knowing the true ability of your aircraft, even every aircraft, and being able to exploit strengths and avoid weaknesses. Being able to exploit the weaknesses of the enemy aircraft)
Gunnery (the best killers are usually the best shots as well)

Last thoughts: Concentrate on being as good as you can be, without comparing yourself to others. Some players have a higher talent level for this than others, just like in athletics or academics. If you find yourself dwelling on others, you will enjoy the game far less. Few, if any of us, have the talent to be professional baseball players, but we can certainly enjoy the weekend softball league and have fun. So, above all... Have fun. Just remember that a little practice and skill development can add to that fun (just like playing softball).

(edited typo)

A philosophy I wish not only every player read, but understood and followed. <S>
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Big Rat on May 28, 2012, 11:49:07 AM

Last thoughts: Concentrate on being as good as you can be, without comparing yourself to others. Some players have a higher talent level for this than others, just like in athletics or academics. If you find yourself dwelling on others, you will enjoy the game far less. Few, if any of us, have the talent to be professional baseball players, but we can certainly enjoy the weekend softball league and have fun. So, above all... Have fun. Just remember that a little practice and skill development can add to that fun (just like playing softball).

(edited typo)

I wish Widewing was my neighbor, he's somebody I've looked up to in this game since I came in.  He's extremely wise.

That quote above is what frustrates a lot of players in this game.  As a trainer you find you can spend one hour with one guy to get to a certain point but may take 3 for another.  Some just pick this stuff up like a sponge while others need it beat into them it seems.  If you are of the latter type it can get very frustrating.  Usually there is a point in there where the light flips on, and that's what the trainers work for.  So if your having trouble, stick with it and work for it.  The light will eventually flip on and the game will become more enjoyable for you.

 :salute
BigRat
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Latrobe on May 28, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
Skill is:
giving up the advantage, fighting the opponents fight but still winning.
There are a couple out there thinking the same way and i LUV playing with them.

Exactly! The pilots you really have to look out for are the ones who stick around for the fight, even when out numbered.  :aok

The really good sticks of this game can take their planes to the very limit of the capabilities and then take it one step even further.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 28, 2012, 11:53:23 AM
Exactly! The pilots you really have to look out for are the ones who stick around for the fight, even when out numbered.  :aok

The really good sticks of this game can take their planes to the very limit of the capabilities and then take it one step even further.

I excell fighting outnumbered and in an inferior plane. I can hang in there for many seconds.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Shuffler on May 28, 2012, 11:54:53 AM
No...   ...this list is not a jab ant ANYONE!!!  These are some of the things that have gotten me killed.  As you can tell, I have no skill (well, not much skill).

 :devil

1.  Knowing how to HO without dying.
2.  Knowing how to pick.
3.  Knowing how to turn fight.
4.  Knowing how to convince (on channel 200) the guy you are fighting they are doing it wrong and get them to come back and fight the wrong fight in the plane they are in.
5.  Knowing how a map works (which bases to take and in what order).
6.  Knowing the plane you are in and the plane you are up against.
7.  Knowing how to score kills against superior numbers and somehow land them there kills.
8.  Knowing how to kill GVs for air or land (or from the 8 inch guns near a beach).
9.  Knowing the concept of the game (play your way and have fun doing it).
10. Knowing how to bomb manually (Most FSOs and AvA).
11. Knowing how to shut down any size airfield, white flag the town, and get troops out...   ...all in one pass.
12. Knowing how to fight a 5 to 10 minute white knuckle, sweaty dog fight, and win or lose, salute your opponent regardless of the outcome, then review the film (win or lose) to see how you can improve.

There are many perceptions of skill in this game.  I hope I identified some of them.  

I don't want to hihack the thread, but as an example...   It is always funny to me to see someone that got killed by someone elses HO, call out the HO person as a no skill person, even if that HO person is still flying and the complainer is in the tower.  HOing is part of the game (unfortunately), it will never go away.  I try to never HO on the first 3 merges unless I am WAY outnumbered.  I sometimes line up like I am going to HO so I can see how to avoid getting hit from it.  The simple fact is, if you can HO someone and live through it without damaging your plane, that is skill.  If you HO ram, then that (in my mind) is no skill.  But, if I get HO rammed while defending, I am assuming I am close to troops and that was a last ditch effort to keep me from getting close to their troops.  In that scenario, it would make sense.

Anyways, that is my 2 cents.

 :rock

If you ho and get no damage it is likely because the other guy was trying to duck your ho or did not fire.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: icepac on May 28, 2012, 12:26:29 PM
Knowing when to pull the cable........and when to plug it back in.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: lulu on May 28, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
Skill is to do the opposite of SHawk    :D



 :salute
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Changeup on May 28, 2012, 01:43:58 PM
I wish Widewing was my neighbor, he's somebody I've looked up to in this game since I came in.  He's extremely wise.

That quote above is what frustrates a lot of players in this game.  As a trainer you find you can spend one hour with one guy to get to a certain point but may take 3 for another.  Some just pick this stuff up like a sponge while others need it beat into them it seems.  If you are of the latter type it can get very frustrating.  Usually there is a point in there where the light flips on, and that's what the trainers work for.  So if your having trouble, stick with it and work for it.  The light will eventually flip on and the game will become more enjoyable for you.

 :salute
BigRat

I wish I lived next to Big Rat so he could come over and log in as me...truth.  I wouldn't last 30 seconds against the man.   In fact, Big Rat, I'm PMing you my log in credentials, lmao!  I would like to be ranked about 7 or 8 in fighters if that's ok...if you go higher, you'll scare people off.  (One of the best instructors out there gang)

Regards,

Changeup :salute
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: TequilaChaser on May 28, 2012, 02:05:03 PM
Aside from mastering the game mechanics and Basic Flight Maneuvers (basic skills), there are advanced skill sets.

The detailed list would be very long, but it starts with Situational Awareness. Everything else is born of SA. Using the map to determine where and how many enemy are in your sector and surrounding sectors. Using the map to determine where the nearest threat is. Using visual observation where the actual enemy is relative to you, while determining his E state and the level of threat. Doing this for multiple enemies within visual range is essential for dealing with all of them effectively. Of course, SA is equally important on the offensive as well as defensive.

Command of Air Combat Maneuvering (this is something you cannot learn without practicing... Read Shaw at the very least)
Accurate judgement of enemy E states (without this ability, you cannot assess threats reliably)
Wingman tactics (learning to fly effectively as a mutually supporting team)
Mastery of aircraft (knowing the true ability of your aircraft, even every aircraft, and being able to exploit strengths and avoid weaknesses. Being able to exploit the weaknesses of the enemy aircraft)
Gunnery (the best killers are usually the best shots as well)

Last thoughts: Concentrate on being as good as you can be, without comparing yourself to others. Some players have a higher talent level for this than others, just like in athletics or academics. If you find yourself dwelling on others, you will enjoy the game far less. Few, if any of us, have the talent to be professional baseball players, but we can certainly enjoy the weekend softball league and have fun. So, above all... Have fun. Just remember that a little practice and skill development can add to that fun (just like playing softball).

(edited typo)

Longtime no see all you AH Addicts!!!  Aloha!

spoton and to the direct point Widewing, Sir!

also like what Corky/Guppy/Tiff  posted and as well, Big Rat's follow up

cheers all, Happy Memorial Day!  :salute

TC  ( Johnny )
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: JOACH1M on May 28, 2012, 02:11:11 PM
Skill is when one can pown in every single airplane.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Citabria on May 28, 2012, 04:01:33 PM
dweebs don't have skill. they just get dweebier.

and you are all dweebs.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Big Rat on May 28, 2012, 06:33:05 PM
I wish I lived next to Big Rat so he could come over and log in as me...truth.  I wouldn't last 30 seconds against the man.   In fact, Big Rat, I'm PMing you my log in credentials, lmao!  I would like to be ranked about 7 or 8 in fighters if that's ok...if you go higher, you'll scare people off.  (One of the best instructors out there gang)

Regards,

Changeup :salute

Changeup is going to make me blush lol.  Everything I do is just smoke, mirrors, and misdirection :D  I've always wanted my own shade account though :banana: :lol. Thanks for the compliments though, albeit I think you are over rating me.  Widewing and Optiker have a lot to do with where I'm at today.

 :salute
BigRat 
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Melvin on May 28, 2012, 06:37:26 PM
dweebs don't have skill. they just get dweebier.

and you are all dweebs.


Fester just dropped an atomic truth bomb on everybody.


You may now sweep up the ashen remnants of your egos.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Butcher on May 28, 2012, 06:39:36 PM
Have fun and not give a damn about score.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Changeup on May 28, 2012, 07:10:04 PM

Fester just dropped an atomic truth bomb on everybody.


You may now sweep up the ashen remnants of your egos.

That's only because Fester is a student of the game and better than virtually everyone else...so to kill him, you have to get dweeby, lol...its the only way.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Changeup on May 28, 2012, 07:10:55 PM
Changeup is going to make me blush lol.  Everything I do is just smoke, mirrors, and misdirection :D  I've always wanted my own shade account though :banana: :lol. Thanks for the compliments though, albeit I think you are over rating me.  Widewing and Optiker have a lot to do with where I'm at today.

 :salute
BigRat 

You DO have a shade...."Changeup", lol
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: guncrasher on May 28, 2012, 07:16:28 PM
well sorry for cut and paste from wikipedia but they are pretty accurate in this case.

Skil is a brand of power handtools produced by Robert Bosch GmbH. The line traces its heritage to the invention of the portable circular saw, marketed as a Skilsaw. The Model 77 which evolved from it set the industry standard for handheld worm-and-drive circular saws and remains in production almost unchanged today. In an example of a generalized trademark, portable circular saws are often still called Skilsaws or Skil saws.

Skil products include circular saws, cordless drill/drivers, cordless screw drivers, cordless tackers, cordless sealant guns, belt sanders, random orbit sanders, multi-sanders, angle grinders, hammers, drills, mixers, jig saws, lasers and measuring tools, reciprocating saws, routers, and planers.

and here's their home page.

http://www.skiltools.com/Pages/Home.aspx

semp

Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: LilMak on May 28, 2012, 08:02:29 PM
Skill is landing my Cessna 170 in a 30kt crosswind and still being able to use the plane after it came to a stop.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: titanic3 on May 28, 2012, 08:03:39 PM
Skills? Nah.

Luck? Yes.

 :aok :D
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Karnak on May 28, 2012, 08:29:23 PM
I like Debrody and Widewing's answers.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: CAV on May 28, 2012, 09:22:45 PM
Quote
Skill is:
giving up the advantage, fighting the opponents fight but still winning.


Or...

Isn't it a type of skill to never giving up the advantage, and never letting the opponents fight their fight? :joystick:

CAV
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Lusche on May 28, 2012, 09:33:22 PM

Or...

Isn't it a type of skill to never giving up the advantage, and never letting the opponents fight their fight? :joystick:

CAV

Yes, it is.
Of course, it doesn't necessarily displays supreme ACM skill, but more SA and battle management skills. Quite a number of guys end up in a sea of red cons and claim it's because they are "having balls"... while in fact it's just because their SA ends at icon range. Of course, there are others that do not really care, even though they can... but imho those are quite rare ;)


In the and, a players 'profile' is just being made up of a myriad of sub skillsets. Some are more recognised than others. Some guys prevail because of their ultimate ACM skills, some because they can read the map. Personal preferences, individual approach to this game and actual 'skill' are a conglomerate.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: JUGgler on May 28, 2012, 09:42:39 PM
Skill is over-rated IMHO, those who always play to their strengths in regards to their plane and their opponents plane exhibit nothing more than "REPITITION"

Those who beat you with creativity and in different ways you never expect are the ones with SKILL, sadly their are but a mere handful of these folks left!  :(

There are plenty of super heros who repeat the "to dos" and "don't dos" to the point of perfection and boredome  :rofl :rofl, these folks think themselves to be skilled, The ones who really are skilled and creative think these folks boring and sad!

No matter how long it may take, If you play mario brothers long enough you will be skilled and able to beat it, or have all you learned "thru endless hours" of play been nothing more than timing and repitition? I think the answer is obvious  :aok




JUGgler
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Butcher on May 28, 2012, 10:15:00 PM
well sorry for cut and paste from wikipedia but they are pretty accurate in this case.

Skil is a brand of power handtools produced by Robert Bosch GmbH. The line traces its heritage to the invention of the portable circular saw, marketed as a Skilsaw. The Model 77 which evolved from it set the industry standard for handheld worm-and-drive circular saws and remains in production almost unchanged today. In an example of a generalized trademark, portable circular saws are often still called Skilsaws or Skil saws.

Skil products include circular saws, cordless drill/drivers, cordless screw drivers, cordless tackers, cordless sealant guns, belt sanders, random orbit sanders, multi-sanders, angle grinders, hammers, drills, mixers, jig saws, lasers and measuring tools, reciprocating saws, routers, and planers.

and here's their home page.

http://www.skiltools.com/Pages/Home.aspx

semp

stihl produces real tools, not crap that falls apart after one use, i.e skil.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: TequilaChaser on May 29, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
dweebs don't have skill. they just get dweebier.

and you are all dweebs.

Fester,
I have always admired your abilities in the game and even making terrains and skins

but I disagree with everything you posted above, that I have quoted...........

5 or 6 years ago I let you keep your Energy & alt in the DA Arena and  let you continously smack my arse to the dirt and I never raised any cain about it.......... fast forward maybe 1 to 3 years.......... You got all shuck up and in a "FESTER" because you could not bring it the same and you huffed and puffed and logged out of koth after 4 or 5 rounds........

we all have good days, and we all have bad....... always has been like that  always will  be!

I'll be your huckleberry ( when I get back from my Daughters situation out here )

mind you, this is in all good fun........... no animosity between us......  just some good ol fashion down and out dueling

Cheers

TC ( Johnny )

Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Pand on May 29, 2012, 01:55:03 AM
No...   ...this list is not a jab ant ANYONE!!!  These are some of the things that have gotten me killed.  As you can tell, I have no skill (well, not much skill).

 :devil

1.  Knowing how to HO without dying.
2.  Knowing how to pick.
3.  Knowing how to turn fight.
4.  Knowing how to convince (on channel 200) the guy you are fighting they are doing it wrong and get them to come back and fight the wrong fight in the plane they are in.
5.  Knowing how a map works (which bases to take and in what order).
6.  Knowing the plane you are in and the plane you are up against.
7.  Knowing how to score kills against superior numbers and somehow land them there kills.
8.  Knowing how to kill GVs for air or land (or from the 8 inch guns near a beach).
9.  Knowing the concept of the game (play your way and have fun doing it).
10. Knowing how to bomb manually (Most FSOs and AvA).
11. Knowing how to shut down any size airfield, white flag the town, and get troops out...   ...all in one pass.
12. Knowing how to fight a 5 to 10 minute white knuckle, sweaty dog fight, and win or lose, salute your opponent regardless of the outcome, then review the film (win or lose) to see how you can improve.

There are many perceptions of skill in this game.  I hope I identified some of them.  

I don't want to hihack the thread, but as an example...   It is always funny to me to see someone that got killed by someone elses HO, call out the HO person as a no skill person, even if that HO person is still flying and the complainer is in the tower.  HOing is part of the game (unfortunately), it will never go away.  I try to never HO on the first 3 merges unless I am WAY outnumbered.  I sometimes line up like I am going to HO so I can see how to avoid getting hit from it.  The simple fact is, if you can HO someone and live through it without damaging your plane, that is skill.  If you HO ram, then that (in my mind) is no skill.  But, if I get HO rammed while defending, I am assuming I am close to troops and that was a last ditch effort to keep me from getting close to their troops.  In that scenario, it would make sense.

Anyways, that is my 2 cents.

 :rock

Best Post of the year!  :salute
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Dadsguns on May 29, 2012, 02:02:16 AM
Skill is simply defined in my book as the ability to land 6 kills while smacking down hotwings with ranch sauce AND not getting it all over the keyboard.......   :cheers:
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Debrody on May 29, 2012, 04:13:59 AM
Isn't it a type of skill to never giving up the advantage, and never letting the opponents fight their fight? :joystick:
yups, thats a perfect recipe how to be a boring arse noone forever.  my 2 cents
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: captain1ma on May 29, 2012, 07:08:14 AM
skill is being at an enemy base just in time to catch a bad guy taking off.  instead of shooting him down, do a fly-by underneath him and watching him freak out because he never saw you coming. yes, i die in the process, but is sure is fun to do!

anyone can shoot some else down, especially on climb out. does it take any skill? no, not really. it takes more skill to club a baby seal. flying without caring about score, that's skill.

there are many aspects of the game. there are many truly skilled players in this game. but its all about having fun. anybody can ho! even i can do it, but the skill is being able to get on his 6, after being disadvantaged. not many players can do that. those people are the truly skilled players. 
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: R 105 on May 29, 2012, 09:12:38 AM
 I play this game on an old computer with and old GForce 8400 card with a frame rate in the teens with all my graphics off. I can't tell when I am close to the ground and the water is even worse for me. If I am near to many other planes I get screen freeze. Skill has nothing to do with it for me it is pure luck in my case. Until I win the lottery and buy a new computer this is as good as I am going to be lol.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: waystin2 on May 29, 2012, 09:33:48 AM
Skill is shooting where the enemy plane/vehicle will be, and not hoping for a hit.

Skill is maneuvering your plane by reflex, not by thinking about what to do next.

Skill is not having your confidence shaken when faced with more than one adversary at a time.

Skill is flying and maneuvering your plane while looking somewhere other than your front view.

Skill is making the red guys react to your tactics, not you reacting to theirs.

Skill is firing your main gun, and turning to the next target because you know your round will hit what you were aiming at.

Skill is jumping competently from weapons platform to weapons platform and giving the enemy hell the entire time.  From plane to vehicle and from field guns to ships gun/shore batteries.  Non-stop combat capable.

Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Midway on May 29, 2012, 10:03:33 AM
What does the term "Skill" mean in your mind when you consider Aces high?




 :old: Winning often.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Shuffler on May 29, 2012, 11:44:16 AM
:old: Winning often.

Not just winning but also how you go about it. You can actually lose a fight but have and show the better skill.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Midway on May 29, 2012, 11:50:51 AM
Not just winning but also how you go about it. You can actually lose a fight but have and show the better skill.

 :headscratch:

 :old: Winning very often.   :aok
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: pervert on May 29, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
Skill in Aces High is...mastering your own ego, then mastering those who cannot control theirs!   :frown: :banana:
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: SPKmes on May 29, 2012, 06:54:26 PM
for me .... learning from mistakes and successes ... both mine and others ...... I show some real lack of skill at times   :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Ardy123 on May 29, 2012, 06:56:08 PM
skill is making them come back for more....  :D
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Midway on May 29, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
Skill in Aces High is...mastering your own ego, then mastering those who cannot control theirs!   :frown: :banana:

 :old: Bruv119 has skill

 :old: Pervert has skill.

 Therefore The Few has skill.

 :old: They win very often.  


Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Ardy123 on May 29, 2012, 06:58:23 PM
:old: Bruv119 has skill

 :old: Pervert has skill.

 Therefore The Few has skill.

 :old: They win very often.  

and you always come back for more....

case in point...
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: thndregg on May 29, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
I don't play enough to become skillfull. Not enough time. I just log in, fly, die, & have fun in the company of some great people in this game. <S>
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Shuffler on May 30, 2012, 09:22:32 AM
I'd say another point in skill is one who always learns. Once you think you know it all... you fail.

No matter how long you play... there is always more to learn.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: jd on May 30, 2012, 09:42:33 AM
Skill to me is when an opposing plane with equal alt is able to merge HO and flip a 180 and keep equal or greater speed  :headscratch:
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Debrody on May 30, 2012, 09:54:23 AM
If i would explain my opinion about midway i would be banned for ever.
You still can guess.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Midway on May 30, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
If i would explain my opinion about midway i would be banned for ever.
You still can guess.

 :O :frown: :cry :frown: :salute :rock  :uhoh :joystick:
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: bustr on May 31, 2012, 02:49:41 AM
Skill is:

How you dorks haven't commited suicide yet from using your own arms to beat yourselves to death patting your own backs.

Could be worse. Counting to 10 to throw 8 second grenades by holding them with your knees while you count on your fingers. This thread is close.
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: Oddball-CAF on May 31, 2012, 03:25:51 AM
What does the term "Skill" mean in your mind when you consider Aces high?

It means somebody's got a better stick settings configuration and/or TrackIR.  :D
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: phatzo on May 31, 2012, 04:32:18 AM
Talking to a strange girl in the evening and waking up with her in the morning.  :devil
winner
Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: JimmyC on May 31, 2012, 07:20:36 AM
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Title: Re: What does "Skill" mean to you?
Post by: AceHavok on May 31, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
Skill to me is the ability to take out plane in head on passes with only having engine damage afterwards.

Just kidding.

I think skills is being able to predict your enemy's moves and know what weaknesses the plane has.