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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on May 30, 2012, 06:03:42 PM
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Anyone watching this on History? It's actually pretty good if you record it on DVR and fast forward thru the commercials. I was surprised at the amount of violence they are showing.
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Im watching it aswell. I agree I'm suprised how graphic everything is, they shot the drunk guy like 8 times then stuck the knife where the sun don't shine.
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Great mini series, looking forward to the last episode tonight.
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The story they tell is interesting.. seems like the McCoys just cant leave the Hatfields alone.
I'd say leavin a lost cause was a good choice (last days of the Confederacy) ..
..the way they tell the story the McCoy dood comes across as a total handsomehunk bent on blaming Hatfield for all he went thru.
Then another McCoy turns out to be a sleaze-bag lawyer
and the two of them together just set the paradigm for why in-breeding is a bad idea.
Not sayin it isn't a great story
It is interesting to watch the story unfold from 'the outside' ..not being a Hatfield or McCoy.
.. sad fact is I have relatives who could teach them a thing or two about hate and discontent lookin for a place to happen.
And .. they all live in Virginia. (!!)
-GE aka Frank
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Been watching it. I normally can't stand Kevin Costner, but he isn't bad in this film.
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Been enjoying it, will watch the last part on DVR next day or 2.
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Wow...
“The Hatfields and McCoys mini-series attracted a monster audience Monday night of 13.9 million viewers, the second largest ever for a cable program that didn’t involve sports!” The president of the History Channel, Nancy Dubuc was quoted in a New York Times article as saying she would have been happy with three million viewers.
:rock
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Been good so far. Will watch episode 3 later tonight and see how it ends. I wonder how accurate it is though. Having never read anything about the feud, I can only speculate how much of it is just Hollywood style embellishment. And we all know how much the HISTORY CHANNEL cares about history.
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I enjoyed it as well, watching 3rd episode on DVR tonight.
I was surprised about the depth of the hatred as GE mentioned, Had no idea about their service in the Confederacy together.
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Wow...
“The Hatfields and McCoys mini-series attracted a monster audience Monday night of 13.9 million viewers, the second largest ever for a cable program that didn’t involve sports!” The president of the History Channel, Nancy Dubuc was quoted in a New York Times article as saying she would have been happy with three million viewers.
Maybe she will see that there is value in quality programming and tone down the ever growing stream of "reality" garbage.
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I'm pretty sure having a quality cast made a difference. Kevin Costner, Bill Paxton, Mare Winningham, Powers Boothe, Tom Berenger. That's an expensive payroll. The production vales were first rate and the writing was excellent. This looked more like a long theatrical film that got chopped into a mini series. Hopefully we'll see more of that in the future.
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I am a bit behind, but look good so far.
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An article in the Lexington Herald Leader said that the mini-series was based mostly (heavily) on a biographical writing of the feud, with as accurate information as possible dug up to make the story what it truly was. Although, for obvious reasons, some romance scenes and affairs and such had to be tweaked to make it more enticing to audiences. From what I can recall, it was actually a VERY accurate miniseries on the affair.
...and the two of them together just set the paradigm for why in-breeding is a bad idea.
FYI, the Hatfields and McCoys were not inbred. Inbreeding by the time this was around was was declining HEAVILY, and had occurred MOSTLY in areas of more southern Appalachia, (As in lower KY, lower WV, Virginia, NW SC, Eastern Tenn, etc) where it was rare to see anybody BUT family, and travel took eons. The hills around the Big Sandy River (the smallest river to create one of Kentucky's borders, and the river that creates the WV, KY border) are smaller than those further south towards Georgia or further north towards Pennsylvania, and are not as expansive; thus, this problem, although prevalent, was not as severe as in other places. Edit: if you want a cool read on the subject, though, look up the blue people of Kentucky.
Anyways, I thoroughly enjoyed the series, and I liked the attention to historical detail (blanket rolls, trapdoor rifles, cabin styles, clothes, etc). I hope they make something like it again. Great miniseries.
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FYI, the Hatfields and McCoys were not inbred. Inbreeding by the time this was around was was declining HEAVILY, and had occurred MOSTLY in areas of more southern Appalachia, (As in lower KY, lower WV, Virginia, NW SC, Eastern Tenn, etc) where it was rare to see anybody BUT family, and travel took eons. The hills around the Big Sandy River (the smallest river to create one of Kentucky's borders, and the river that creates the WV, KY border) are smaller than those further south towards Georgia or further north towards Pennsylvania, and are not as expansive; thus, this problem, although prevalent, was not as severe as in other places. Edit: if you want a cool read on the subject, though, look up the blue people of Kentucky.
I would like to throw in the possibility that the whole feud thing between the two families may have been a cover up. I think the inbreeding kicked in so much that both families got so dumb that they started holding their guns wrong way and many begin shooting thereselves.
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Took me a while to catch Tom Berenger, I was looking for Sgt Barnes.
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Took me a while to catch Tom Berenger, I was looking for Sgt Barnes.
I was impressed with his performance. I never knew he had the acting chops to pull role that off. You could feel the mean oozing off of him.
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I was impressed with his performance. I never knew he had the acting chops to pull role that off. You could feel the mean oozing off of him.
He played his role well. Like it was said earlier, the cast was selected very well, and it made a great mini-series.
I love Bill Paxton in anything, but I think he played his part of going insane very well. He had a complex part and nailed it.
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It was an excellent mini series. As others have said I hope it leads to more quality programming and less non-history garbage.
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I did not like it . I'm ready for the Walking Dead to come back .
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I realize I made a crack at inbreeding being the cause of just how far wrong McCoy's decisions were.
The feud began with him and he escalated it until he was totally undone by it.
The story hit close to home.
You wouldn't expect there to be people on this planet who could go so far off the deep end,
..sadly I know some like that and worse, as relatives.
And they make a point of going to Church every Sunday which showed me in spades how much that means to some.
It's as if they use that as a license to be just as despicable as they can be.
They are always taken aback at the consequences of their actions..
.. then play the blame game loudly and often pointing everywhere but at the source in the mirror.
As Hatfield said 'You see a mean dog, do you go over and kick it?'
-GE aka Frank .. a mean dog when he has to be.
-just sayin, tm Pasha
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watching it now. Always said the mark of a great actor is when they play a role you don't think about who they are. Beringer and Paxton did a really good job of that.
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Who was right and who was wrong? Who was the bad guys in all this?
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To read this thread it seems some people think the Hatfields were in the right. I dont agree.
I find it interesting that the Vance that started it all by killing the Yankee (the first McCoy to die) has a descendant that today owns McCoy land as well as the McCoy cemetary and is to this day defying a court order to allow McCoy families access. Meanwhile the media is ignoring that and claiming the feud is settled. Stupidity reigns supreme!
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Ole man McCoy should have shot dead that two bit deserter Hatfield when he had the chance during the civil war. You dont up and leave your outfit. After that McCoy tried using legal means,but we see how that turned out. Interesting one line McCoy states his sons were innocent until proven guilty!?!?Good times, Goood times. lol :old:
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on 'deserting' .. last days of the Confederacy.
When the prisons were death camps, the Union army average soldier would rather shoot you than accept surrender,
the Confederacy had lost.. I can understand why just goin back home would have it's appeal.
They were not going to accomplish anything by standing and delivering at that point,
..and like McCoy said ..the whole company got slaughtered except him.
If it had been me .. yes .. I would have asked McCoy to think about it but the decision to leave ..
..well .. that would have been determined by how personally attached I was to the company.
Apparantly the only close friend Hatfield had left in the company was McCoy.
Not close enough to stand beside him to the last apparantly.
No one I ever met would stand and deliver for 'the cause' or any political views or BS..
.. it's all about the friends you have in the unit.
The ones who have your back no matter what comes.
That is the bottom line.
-Frank aka GE
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History channel ran a new documentary on the fued today, voiced by Kevin Costner. Intended to be a companion piece to the film, I am sure.
I was interested to learn that it was actually Johnse that beat down the McCoy mother (her name escapes me at the moment) and not the guy portrayed in the film. It makes me wonder why the film makers felt it was necessary to preserve Johnse as more of a tragic figure then the bastage that he apparently really was. It seems to me that it would have been better to let him do the deed. He obviously had his own grudge against the McCoys, albeit for different reasons.
Some of the other details that the writers took liberties with seemed odd and unnecessary to me as well.