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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Corsair4u1234 on June 04, 2012, 08:08:54 PM
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because it would be nice to have a jet to combat the 262. :cool:
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you obviously havnt played much
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you obviously haven't played much
You, obviously, have no manners.
Welcome to AH, Corsair.
I'd like to see it also regardless of it's weaknesses.
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You, obviously, have no manners.
just say it like I see it
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You, obviously, have no manners.
Welcome to AH, Corsair.
I'd like to see it also regardless of it's weaknesses.
What weaknesses in AH would it have :headscratch:
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tempest isnt much slower I beleive. and I also think a tempest dives faster. so the only thing the meteor really stands for or what everyone thinks it would do (like the OP said ,combat the 262) the tempest already does the job just as good.
the meteor was made to attack German V2 rockets. the meteor is just a tempest with 2 jet engines
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Unless almost everyone that voted for the Me-410 in the most recent poll would have voted for the Meteor over the Yak-3, then we'll have to wait for the Yak-3 to be added first.
That or HTC could make an executive decision, like they did with the Ju-87G, and just add the sucker.
Either way, I would also like to see the Meteor, just later.
We still need a Russian level bomber, the He-111 (several models, preferably), a Ju-188 or Do 217, Cromwell or Churchill, an italian level bomber, anything French, a StuG III, Ki-43 and I'm sure others could expand upon this list.
In addition, we could really use a 109E-7, a Yak-7, Panzer III (several models), an update of the Fw 190F-8, some more EW vehicles, B6N, D7Y, Ki-44, 109G-10, BT-7, a split of the Fw 190A-8 into two models, an IAR-80/81C, a G.55, and again I guarantee others could expand upon my list.
And I still entertain hopes of getting an Re.2005 saggitario.
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We don't need more hair driers.
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After having read many threads discussing pros and cons of which birds should be added I am of the opinion the French D.520 should be next. After that the He-111, a couple Japanese birds then maybe something Russian. My passion the P-61 is way down the list. I would like to see discussion on the Japanese Jack interceptor. High alt, pretty high speed, solid firepower with engine problems, though that is the story for the P-47M/N as well, one of those two.
The Gloster Meteor...I personally would not rank it high up that list. Respectable issue to raise as for discussion though.
Boo
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tempest isnt much slower I beleive. and I also think a tempest dives faster. so the only thing the meteor really stands for or what everyone thinks it would do (like the OP said ,combat the 262) the tempest already does the job just as good.
the meteor was made to attack German V2 rockets. the meteor is just a tempest with 2 jet engines
Can i see where the Meteor was made to attack V2s?
In reality the Meteor intercepted V-1 rockets, and not allowed anywhere near the front lines - in fear of being shot down and the German's getting ahold of the information. Because the Russians was squeezing the front quite thin, the British did not want technology to fall into the wrong hands for rightful reasons.
The Meteor spent the war tipping a few V-1s and eventually did a limited number of Ground Attacks (citation needed) - the stories about it engaging any German aircraft is 100% false, it never came close to engaging any german aircraft in fact its mission was to avoid contact with all german aircraft what so ever.
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Because the Russians was squeezing the front quite thin, the British did not want technology to fall into the wrong hands for rightful reasons
Yet they still gave the Russians a copy their jet engine. That is one decision I never understood!
With that decision and the choices by Chamberlain before WWII, the British foreign affairs must of been run by the Marx Brothers prior to 1950.
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Can i see where the Meteor was made to attack V2s?
In reality the Meteor intercepted V-1 rockets, and not allowed anywhere near the front lines - in fear of being shot down and the German's getting ahold of the information. Because the Russians was squeezing the front quite thin, the British did not want technology to fall into the wrong hands for rightful reasons.
The Meteor spent the war tipping a few V-1s and eventually did a limited number of Ground Attacks (citation needed) - the stories about it engaging any German aircraft is 100% false, it never came close to engaging any german aircraft in fact its mission was to avoid contact with all german aircraft what so ever.
Yup. Totally stayed away from the front lines. That is why a squadron of Meteor Mk IIIs were posted to the continent and had numerous targets on the ground credited to them.
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up a 262 to fight the 262, you will do better than with a Meteor anyway. . .
there have been better arguments for the reason to put the meteor in than 'to fight the 262'
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It would be very odd if a plane would be the best aircraft in AH whats mission was to avoid enemy aircrafts.
-1. nuff said
Jak series, Lagg3, Tu-2, Pe-2, Ki-44, Ki-43, J2M, Beau, Whirlwind, Spit12 Ju-188, Do-17/217 and a couple others i would like to be added.
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+1 can't wait for the meteor :aok
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Yup. Totally stayed away from the front lines. That is why a squadron of Meteor Mk IIIs were posted to the continent and had numerous targets on the ground credited to them.
Yep one squadron extremely late in the war, when it could of been pressed into combat months before - funny part is Britain's Labor party gave the russians a copy of the Rolls-Royce Nene engine when just a few years earlier didn't even want Meteors near the front lines in fear of the russians getting it.
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+1
But will add that Debrody is right. Some planes need to be added before it. Maybe a balance in adding them between candy (like the Meteor) and planes that had great historic significance.
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Gloster Meteor will eat all you children. :aok
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Unless almost everyone that voted for the Me-410 in the most recent poll would have voted for the Meteor over the Yak-3, then we'll have to wait for the Yak-3 to be added first.
That or HTC could make an executive decision, like they did with the Ju-87G, and just add the sucker.
Either way, I would also like to see the Meteor, just later.
We still need a Russian level bomber, the He-111 (several models, preferably), a Ju-188 or Do 217, Cromwell or Churchill, an italian level bomber, anything French, a StuG III, Ki-43 and I'm sure others could expand upon this list.
In addition, we could really use a 109E-7, a Yak-7, Panzer III (several models), an update of the Fw 190F-8, some more EW vehicles, B6N, D7Y, Ki-44, 109G-10, BT-7, a split of the Fw 190A-8 into two models, an IAR-80/81C, a G.55, and again I guarantee others could expand upon my list.
And I still entertain hopes of getting an Re.2005 saggitario.
And update the B-26, and add a P-63
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Yet they still gave the Russians a copy their jet engine. That is one decision I never understood!
With that decision and the choices by Chamberlain before WWII, the British foreign affairs must of been run by the Marx Brothers prior to 1950.
Agreed giving our technology away never helped anyone; The Merlin Engine and Bubble Canopy especially.
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Agreed giving our technology away never helped anyone; The Merlin Engine and Bubble Canopy especially.
radar?
we even let the Germans take a look at our gunsights prior to the war :headscratch:
too sporting us Brits...
meteor is definitely needed for late war! I find it totally unacceptable that we only have the Tempest and Spit 14 to chase germans with :furious
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meteor is definitely needed for late war! I find it totally unacceptable that we only have the Tempest and Spit 14 to chase germans with :furious
I hope that was only from irony....
Couse the tempy and the spit14 isnt uber enough...
Again, see my post why it would be super weird... this plane wasnt widely used... never seen any flying enemy aircraft.. yet it would be the best plane in game, whatever.
Arent there are enough other planes to add? (insert a disillusioned bitter face here)
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Can i see where the Meteor was made to attack V2s?
I thought I had them mixed up.
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radar?
we even let the Germans take a look at our gunsights prior to the war :headscratch:
too sporting us Brits...
meteor is definitely needed for late war! I find it totally unacceptable that we only have the Tempest and Spit 14 to chase germans with :furious
I read that the Japanese Navy learned so much from the RN that orders were given in English on the bridge (maybe this was only early war)...
Pip pip, cheerio!
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... it would be the best plane in game, whatever.
I suspect it would be a bit of a handful to fly, rather like the AH mossie was before it was remodelled. a complete lack of yaw stability at combat speed doesnt help gunnery much ...
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radar?
jet engines? PT boats? computers? penicillin? supersonic flight?
and then we got to pay the bill! :bhead
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Yep one squadron extremely late in the war, when it could of been pressed into combat months before - funny part is Britain's Labor party gave the russians a copy of the Rolls-Royce Nene engine when just a few years earlier didn't even want Meteors near the front lines in fear of the russians getting it.
All true.
I read that the Japanese Navy learned so much from the RN that orders were given in English on the bridge (maybe this was only early war)...
Pip pip, cheerio!
That sounds like it would have been more circa Russo-Japanese war when the IJN was in its infancy.
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up a 262 to fight the 262, you will do better than with a Meteor anyway. . .
there have been better arguments for the reason to put the meteor in than 'to fight the 262'
does "because i like shootieshootie boomboom" apply?
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up a 262 to fight the 262, you will do better than with a Meteor anyway. . .
there have been better arguments for the reason to put the meteor in than 'to fight the 262'
As soon as the 262 gets below 450 mph and turns it is toast. The Mk III Meteor has everything on the Me262 save for top speed, iirc.
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top speed, diving capabilities, climb rate, and firepower IIRC (30mm's are better at high speeds IMO, due to the better snap shot, although a Mk 103 probably would have been better than the Mk 108).
In other words, the Meteor III out turned the 262 at lower speeds.
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I'd prefer to see a He-162 added than the Meteor, at 100-120 perks. At least, it saw combat.
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does "because i like shootieshootie boomboom" apply?
Ahhhh hahahahahahahahahah
:cheers:
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I'd prefer to see a He-162 added than the Meteor, at 100-120 perks. At least, it saw combat.
Sorry, but the Meteor saw far more combat than the He162. The only way you can claim that the He162 saw combat and the Meteor did not is if you cherry pick what counts as combat down to getting, or being, an air-to-air kill. By any other metric the Meteor saw as much or more.
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As far as i know, the 162 seen only a very minimal combat so cant agree with the claims for it.
Anyway, i do not want to see the 162 when some nation's core plane types are missing. Nope, the Meteor wasnt a "core plane type" either.
Also the "to fight the 262 dweebs" is wrong. Why so? 262s are normally used to collect the horde tax, right? You want to shoot theese... so youre a horde munkey, even worse, you want to horde in the best ride?
I think you know better than this.
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I'd say core planes that are missing would be, in alphabetic order:
B6N2
Beaufighter
C.200
D4Y
DB-3/Il-4
Do17Z
He111
Ju52
Ki-43
LaGG-3
Pe-2
SB2C
SM.79-II
Wellington
Yak-1
Yak-3
Yak-7
I'd like to be able to list the Do217, G.55, H8K2, J2M3, Ju188, Ki-44, Ki-45, MiG-3, P1Y1 and Tu-2, but I just don't think they saw enough use to count a "core" aircraft.
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I'd say core planes that are missing would be, in alphabetic order:
B6N2
Beaufighter
C.200
D4Y
DB-3/Il-4
Do17Z
He111
Ju52
Ki-43
LaGG-3
Pe-2
SB2C
SM.79-II
Wellington
Yak-1
Yak-3
Yak-7
I'd like to be able to list the Do217, G.55, H8K2, J2M3, Ju188, Ki-44, Ki-45, MiG-3, P1Y1 and Tu-2, but I just don't think they saw enough use to count a "core" aircraft.
I cant argue with that. Good list. Though I say the Tu-2 before the Pe-2. :aok
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I'd prefer to see a He-162 added than the Meteor, at 100-120 perks. At least, it saw combat.
so did the Meteor unless you don't think intercepting a flying bombs with a 1 ton warhead wasn't combat.
ack-ack
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so did the Meteor unless you don't think intercepting a flying bombs with a 1 ton warhead wasn't combat.
ack-ack
Maybe he thinks people who disarm bombs for a living arn't "combat veterans" since they arn't being shot at.
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I'd say core planes that are missing would be, in alphabetic order:
B6N2
Beaufighter
C.200
D4Y
DB-3/Il-4
Do17Z
He111
IAR-80/81A, B, and C.
Ju52
Ki-43
LaGG-3
Pe-2
SB2C
SM.79-II
Wellington
Yak-1
Yak-7
Fixed
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Fixed
Don't think so. Same as I didn't put any French or Polish aircraft on the list. Not a big enough role in in the war.
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The IAR is core in that it was Romania's primary fighter untill mid 1944. Romania may not have been a big player, but I would say that over 4 years of service as the primary fighter of a secondary combatant makes a plane more 'core' than less than 1 year of combat service with a primary combatant.
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I could tell you tales about Romania's rule in the world wars, also Ghi could send me to hell, but im better staying quiet. Its better drinking beers than arguing, right? : )
As long as AH dont have a jak-3/7, pe-2/tu-2, ki-43 and a ju-188 (ergo the most produced planes what are missing), i think the IAR80 series are pretty low on the list.
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Sorry, but I don't think pure numbers and usage is what makes a plane significant.
mean going based on that, the duce and a half is probably the biggest thing we're missing.
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It'd be awesome to see a Romanian fighter, if only because if it's been done before it's probably only in some dusty IL-2 expansion.
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Ack-Ack & Butcher, don't fall and hurt your big inflated heads when dismounting from your high horses, pls thx.
For your enlightenment, I have a lot of admiration for the people who shot down V1 bombs or died trying (as did Jean Maridor, french pilot in the RAF), as much as I have for the ferry pilots who were flying planes across the Atlantic...
Karnak, this is debatable:
Meteors shot down a grand total of 14 V1. In January 45, 4(!) Meteors were brought in Belgium to fly CAP over airfields. Only in March 45 flew the whole squadron recon and ground attacks, but away from the heavily german- and russian occupied areas to avoid a plane being captured. First losses in late April when 2 Meteors collided.
He 162 saw combat from mid-April 45. Scored some kills, lost 2 planes shot down and 11 due to tech problems.
I'm not belittling what the Meteor pilots did. I have a lot of respect for them. Both planes were used marginally during WWII but the He 162 was more invloved in the fight IMO (and how could it be otherwise, Germany was attacked from everywhere on its last lines of defence at this point).
I'm not asking for a new jet to be added, I agree that other planes deserve to be added first. I'm just pointing that IF a new jet has to be added, the He 162 is a valid candidate.
Oh yeah, it is better looking than the Meteor too.
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Oh yeah, it is better looking than the Meteor too.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6xOY4U3DJT8/Trm-wElc_yI/AAAAAAAAFNk/KjObAsKDQf8/s1152/IMG_20111105_131300.jpg)
The engines are BIG but its looks much more dangerous that the unfinished Heinkel
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(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-oBpFXi_TONI/SOk9yBxGu9I/AAAAAAAAAHQ/buDP_BhsEWA/s1152/CIMG1271.JPG)
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Ack-Ack & Butcher, don't fall and hurt your big inflated heads when dismounting from your high horses, pls thx.
Uhhh sorry don't have one, you probably misread something I wrote, please read again.
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Is it photo-contest time?
I stand my ground:
(http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/he162_simonthomas.jpg)
(http://axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/a/arvo-he162w23-2.jpg)
Looks like it was designed for Star Wars :D
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dorky high-wing airframe with a massive alloy sea-cucumber of an engine bolted on top as an afterthought ... mmm no thanks.
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so did the Meteor unless you don't think intercepting a flying bombs with a 1 ton warhead wasn't combat.
ack-ack
is bomb disposal combat? lol
162 has a number of kills and has even been shot down by enemy aircraft. how many v1's brought down a meteor?
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is bomb disposal combat? lol
162 has a number of kills and has even been shot down by enemy aircraft. how many v1's brought down a meteor?
So what you are basically saying is someone who defuses live bombs for a living did not serve in combat, however someone that WAS shot, was in combat?
Torqoise how did you get yourself unbanned?
Meteor didn't face combat in a sense it did not face Fw190s or Me262s, it might of been placed in "green zones" where it faced no opposition - for good reason (read above since you apparently did not already).
The Meteor was in operational Strength and did tip a few V-1s over, and did some ground strafing. Yeah you can't compare it to ground troops on Iwo Jima, but it did serve in combat.
My opinion is the 162 has not a chance in hell to being added to Aces High, I'd vote on the P-80 being it was tested and evaluated, unlike 162 which was simply rushed as a last minute ditch effort to save whats left of Germany for the time.
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The 162 inarguably saw more combat than the Meteor III, if not by duration then certinally be intensity and kills.
Why exactly wouldn't the 162 have a chance of being added, anyway?
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In my opinion, the He162 and Meteor Mk III are the only two jets not already in the game that stand a chance of being added to the game.
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is bomb disposal combat? lol
162 has a number of kills and has even been shot down by enemy aircraft. how many v1's brought down a meteor?
Really?
All I have to say is EOD...
-INCOMING
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because it would be nice to have a jet to combat the 262. :cool:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Did+a+Gloster+Meteor+ever+shoot+down+a+Me-262+Jet+
now click some links
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because it would be nice to have a jet to combat the 262. :cool:
I had the impression that 262 can combat the 262 quite well. Amazingly, aeronautical engineers on all three chess countries were able to develop an identical plane at the same time. Espionage?
The Bishops used forced labor to build it though.
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dorky high-wing airframe with a massive alloy sea-cucumber of an engine bolted on top as an afterthought ... mmm no thanks.
sums it up pretty well ^^
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dorky high-wing airframe with a massive alloy sea-cucumber of an engine bolted on top as an afterthought ... mmm no thanks.
Almost lol'd at sea cucumber. (Gotta be sparing with the LOWELLS at work)
Awesome.
Downright ugly plane, no doubt about it.
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You guys just have no taste sheesh... ;)
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Is it photo-contest time?
I stand my ground:
It's so silly looking they had to put a giant red arrow so you'd know which way is forward :D
But I still want em both :t
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i'm glad everyone agrees the meteor should be added :cheers: :banana:
+1
:aok
"The definitive W.1 of 850 lbf (3.8 kN) thrust ran on 12 April 1941, and on 15 May the W.1-powered E.28/39 took off from Cranwell at 7:40 pm, flying for 17 minutes and reaching a maximum speed of around 340 mph (545 km/h). At the end of the flight, Pat Johnson, who had encouraged Whittle for so long said to him, "Frank, it flies." Whittle replied, "Well, that's what it was bloody well designed to do, wasn't it?"[3][25]
Within days the aircraft was reaching 370 mph (600 km/h) at 25,000 feet (7,600 m), exceeding the performance of the contemporary Spitfires. Success of the design was now evident; the first example of what was a purely experimental and entirely new engine design was already outperforming one of the best piston engines in the world, an engine that had five years of development and production behind it, and decades of basic engineering. Nearly every engine company in Britain then started their own crash efforts to catch up with Power Jets."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Whittle
Frank sits alongside Reginald Mitchell in my eyes RIP the both of them. :salute
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Discussed some stuff with Bruv.
Even tho im still not a fan of this plane, at least now i can accept it. Thanks.
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-1 for the meteor...
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+1 for the Brit jet.
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i'm glad everyone agrees the meteor should be added :cheers: :banana:
+1
:aok
Agreed!! +1
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Lets not habe the Meteor , and lose the 262 and 163 while we a at not having the Meteor
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I just hope the "next" upgrade includes both Brit and Soviet aviation industrys. And yes I know i can just change skins. :huh
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I just hope the "next" upgrade includes both Brit and Soviet aviation industrys. And yes I know i can just change skins. :huh
There is still plenty of early and mid war planes to add before we get to the "1946 secret weapons of the Allied & Luftwaffe" game. Even British planes that were made in their thousands (Hint: twin engine, made by Bristol, named Beaufighter. Care to take a guess which plane it is?). Some of these planes would see some action in the arenas and avoid the "Hangar queen" label. The problem with the Russian and Italian planes is that what they had before the ones already in the game were crap. G.55 can still pass. The Japanese equipment is another untapped source for a few decent planes, but personally I am less interested in these.
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+1 for meteor temp is slower than meteor and when has anyone in a temp been able to catch a 262 in level flight....................I thought so atleast the meteor would have a better chance at that than the temp