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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Spikes on June 07, 2012, 03:56:55 PM
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Not now for sure, but with some money coming my way from birthday/graduation, I might put a little bit into my system. I've had it for about 3 years now and love it to death. It is kind of old. I built it at the tail end of DDR2 days:
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P ATX
Core 2 Quad Q9550
4GB DDR2 Kingston HyperX
600w OCZ ModX PSU
2 ATI HD5770 vid cards
Couple older crappy HDDs (high on my list to get a bigger, faster, newer, better hdd)
Now where to begin? My first thought was to get a new motherboard and ram since I love the CPU however 775 is basically obsolete. How much could I get for the combo do you guys think? (CPU/Mobo/Ram).
Vid cards are a bit old but are still kickin'...PSU is a little small, just right for this setup but probably too small for a newer setup.
I was close to pulling the plug on a whole new system a few months ago, but I bought an ipad for college instead. :bhead
I used to be up on the new stuff when I build my PC...but now there are so many new sockets and stuff, it even confuses me.
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I'm in the same boat. Three great things have aligned in the universe, Fathers day, my birthday, and the most important one, my wife is complaining her computer is too slow and I sold her on the idea that mine is fast enough for her and I can get the new one. :devil
So I have begun to study up on whats good and whats not. Will be watching this thread closely.
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if you are willing to spend the time, upgrade the mobo, cpu and ram first. that should be less than 500 bucks. reuse the old parts. as more money becomes availalble then upgrade the rest. I bet someone will give you some money for that mobo/cpu/ram. it will be an upgrade for them. and you can put that money towards another video card.
semp
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I'm in the same boat. Three great things have aligned in the universe, Fathers day, my birthday, and the most important one, my wife is complaining her computer is too slow and I sold her on the idea that mine is fast enough for her and I can get the new one. :devil
So I have begun to study up on whats good and whats not. Will be watching this thread closely.
:aok Yeah...mine still runs everything great...I just think it's time to start thinking about something new.
if you are willing to spend the time, upgrade the mobo, cpu and ram first. that should be less than 500 bucks. reuse the old parts. as more money becomes availalble then upgrade the rest. I bet someone will give you some money for that mobo/cpu/ram. it will be an upgrade for them. and you can put that money towards another video card.
semp
That is what I was hoping to do. At some point I'd like to get a new case as well, just for some new scenery but then I'd probably be better off just getting everything new at once, less hassle. Stuff is so different now that I don't even know what's good or not anymore.
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spike you can buy everything at once. but you may have a tendency to go with cheaper components once you see the price tag. I have spent around 3k on my system. based around a sandy bridge 2500k with 3 monitors and sli evga 465 cards. it kicks azzz. as i have pedals, joystick throttle, 3 monitors custom joystick box, trakir, 100 dollar mouse, really nice headset.... and lots of other crap. including fraps and sony vegas to edit film.
however i didnt spend all the money at once. it took me about 2 years of buying a component here and another one there. had I bought everything at once, i wouldda spend a bit more. but patience is a virtue. and I had more time than money. some parts I havent changed as I dint have to and they are 3 years old. I still use a hitachi deathstar that i bought on sale for my first built. along with my cd player and my case. I have the tempest case. was thinking of buying a new one but I decided to just spend 15 bucks on paint and custom paint it myself. it looks like a brand new case.
if you have patience and time. you can have a system that will work for you for more than a couple of years, unless of course you get the itch to upgrade it like I have it right now. either way. lots of things like hard drives and dvd drives dont really change over time and you can save money on those. and even better if you have a copy of windows as it can be moved to your new system.
anyway just giving you something to think about. the call is yours :).
semp
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Re: MB, something to think about
If your old drives, or your backup drives, are some flavor of ATA (ribbon cable), then you have two choices. Be sure to chose a MB with a (usually one) legacy ATA plug in addition to SATA, or if there's room on the new MB with your vid cards installed, purchase a PCIe to ATA card. Having that ATA plug meant that I could quickly transfer all my files (drag and drop), and it was worth it to me even though it's been vacant ever since.
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Spikes I have basically the same system as you in one case except mine has the Q9650 more ram and hard drive space (plus geforce). I also have the newer Sandy Bridge E systems to compare with. Depending on what you intend for the system you might be better off just replacing the PSU (they get old) and maybe the ram. I would certainly replace the HDs (they get old too). Im not familiar with the ATIs. For AH you wont see a lot of difference I dont think but if you are doing more mabe so. I needed the power for video editing but really the difference isnt that much.
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IIRC you built about the same time I did. Right now if I were doing it again I'd build a 2500K Sandy Bridge. Seems to be the best value ATM.
That said I've thought about upgrading my old stuff. If I did that then maybe a 560Ti or greater with Win7 and an SSD might be the way I'd go.
Most likely best to start with the new platform though so I'd say CPU, Mobo and RAM first then the rest later.
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I'm still not a believer in SSDs...seems like too much money for too little space. Plus I'm not really a nut for being able to turn my PC on in 4 seconds or anything. I do know I need another HDD though.
I was going to go AMD because they are cheaper unless I can find a deal on the Intels. Are i5s better than i7s now?
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I'm still not a believer in SSDs...seems like too much money for too little space. Plus I'm not really a nut for being able to turn my PC on in 4 seconds or anything. I do know I need another HDD though.
I was going to go AMD because they are cheaper unless I can find a deal on the Intels. Are i5s better than i7s now?
you may not want to go amd right now if you expect to keep the system for more than a couple of years. i'm running a phenom2 965 black edition 3.4ghz on an asus 890fx chipset mobo, and it's about equal to an intel i5-661 3.33ghz and the amd fx6100 3.3ghz. the sandy bridge and ivy bridge cpus smoke the amd cpus.
if all you're replacing is the mobo, cpu, ram and hdd what's your budget?
intel build
cpu = $220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
mobo = $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
amd build
cpu = $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106010
mobo = $127.55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157281
ram = $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148485
hdd choices
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136929
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136795
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121 (highly reliable, not as fast)
with what you already have, you won't have to spend $1000 for a new system.
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This Seagate Barracuda 1TB, $99.99, has been working for me the last 7 months or so. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697&cm_sp=Pers_StoreTopSeller-_-22-148-697_1_TS-_-1_15___) Two of them actually, counting the backup drive. Just don't expect any mechanical device to keep up with an SATA 6.0Gb/s connection (plug). The SATA 6.0Gb/s in the writeup is hype.
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there was a big argument last year about the 3.0 v 6.0. I believe the consensus was that system dont even saturate the 3.0 bandwidth yet. but I would buy the 6.0 just in case, you never know somebody may come up with a program that does the day after you buy the 3.0.
semp
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I have 3.0 and 6.0 on the same system and for casual use it doesnt seem to be much different. When I start moving around large data chunks like videos it seems to make a bigger difference. Right now I am using the 6.0s as OS drives and PVR storage on our media system and it does offer smoother video playback. As far as games go I dont think it makes much difference. It seems to make a bigger difference if you have an independant controller over one mounted on the MB. The biggest difference still comes from the higher rpm drives (10k) in my opinion. But then I think SSD are not worth the money so make up your own mind on that one.
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Spikes,
dont build an amd-based system plz. The bulldozer isnt much faster than the older PhenomII, yet the faster models have a 140W TDP (just to compare, the fastest i7s consumpt a maximum of 95W).
A Sandy/Ivy based i5 is clearly superior to any bulldozer, especially since they cost almost the same (here).
What i did last year: bought a phenomIIx2 565BE for 60 bux, unlocked to be quad core, its running at 3.2 GHz now but can reach a steady 3.9 at the stock voltage if needed, almost as fast as the 220bux FX-8150...
Its pretty risky tho and basically a bad choice. i5 is wgat i would do now.
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one thing i am confused about is: did amd pull out of the pc market? if so then why buy a dead end line of cpus?
semp
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you may not want to go amd right now if you expect to keep the system for more than a couple of years. i'm running a phenom2 965 black edition 3.4ghz on an asus 890fx chipset mobo, and it's about equal to an intel i5-661 3.33ghz and the amd fx6100 3.3ghz. the sandy bridge and ivy bridge cpus smoke the amd cpus.
if all you're replacing is the mobo, cpu, ram and hdd what's your budget?
intel build
cpu = $220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
mobo = $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
amd build
cpu = $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106010
mobo = $127.55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157281
ram = $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148485
hdd choices
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136929
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136795
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121 (highly reliable, not as fast)
with what you already have, you won't have to spend $1000 for a new system.
That intel setup looks good...thats about what I'm looking to spend I guess...I may just get 16 GB of ram for the hell of it, and never look back. I was going to sell my whole PC at one point for 600 or 700. I'm not sure how much these components are worth anymore.
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one thing i am confused about is: did amd pull out of the pc market? if so then why buy a dead end line of cpus?
semp
no, not even close. the previous generation of cpu's is being discontinued in favor of the zambezi (bulldozer) and llano (a series) chips. you can still find the high end phenom2 cpu's and the prices are going down. the bulldozer cpu's were designed around windows 8 optimization. they still are falling way short on performance in win7, but once win8 hits the market the performance should be slightly faster than the phenom2 cpus. they are still competitive in budget systems and laptops, especially the llano chips with embedded amd 6xxx series gpus.
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semp,
the FX series were nice if they could cut the insane amount of leaking power (reducing the consumption) and increase the clock to the planned 4.5-4.8 GHz within a normal TDP. Just like with the old Netburst Pentium4s, the first Phenom series, or the hd-2900 GPU: their second release became quite competitive and successful. AMD if far from being dead.
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I like the Sandy Bridge stuff, but I hear it is going to be phased out for Ivy Bridge already...didn't it just come out?
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I like the Sandy Bridge stuff, but I hear it is going to be phased out for Ivy Bridge already...didn't it just come out?
ivy bridge just replaced sandy bridge on intel's front line cpu lineup. supposedly ivy bridge socket 2011 i7's are forthcoming as well. from what i heard, ivy bridge was on the drawing board before the sandy bridge chips hit the market.
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Huh...might be something for me to think about. What is the best video card I can get for under 200 right now? Fermi 560 seems to be it unless I'm missing something.
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Radeon 6870 is a wee bit faster than the 560. On Newegg right now for $170.
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Ohhh 140 after a MIR as well. Time to upgrade the 5770s first I think. I assume 2 5770s is pretty equal to a 6870 power wise? I've got a 600W.
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the 600 watt will be plenty for a single 6870. if you can manage $219, grab this 2gb model...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150563
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Yep, or you can skimp out a bit and grab a 6850 and then overclock and get the same performance as a 6870.
6850 is a tiny bit slower than a GtX 560 and the 6870 is a tiny bit faster. I think you should just look around the web for these 3 cards and find the cheapest one. Their performance/power consumption are all similar.
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the 600 watt will be plenty for a single 6870. if you can manage $219, grab this 2gb model...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150563
Thanks for that, I think it'll be worth the extra $50. After some "fraud" issue with my bank, it is in the mail. You guys rock, I don't know anything compared to what I used to know.
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Yep, or you can skimp out a bit and grab a 6850 and then overclock and get the same performance as a 6870.
6850 is a tiny bit slower than a GtX 560 and the 6870 is a tiny bit faster. I think you should just look around the web for these 3 cards and find the cheapest one. Their performance/power consumption are all similar.
not all manufacturer / Brands allow their videocards to be unlocked or boosted to the top shelf model's speeds/abilities
most XFX, ASUS, Visiontek?, Saphire models will not unlock ( however their are a small few of each brand that might ??? ), most of the MSI cards will unlock though..... be sure to fully research the cards capabilities before going in thinking you can buy a lesser model and boost it......
good luck and hope this is helpful
TC
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Yep, or you can skimp out a bit and grab a 6850 and then overclock and get the same performance as a 6870.
6850 is a tiny bit slower than a GtX 560 and the 6870 is a tiny bit faster. I think you should just look around the web for these 3 cards and find the cheapest one. Their performance/power consumption are all similar.
You say you can overclock the 6850 by 15-17% and get close to the 6870... thats a huge amount of OC i can tell you. 8-10% is rather realistic. But... you can buy a 6870 and pull it by another 10% and get half way towards the 6950... it works this way too : )
The 6870 is a great card, still, i wouldnt change a pair of 5770s to this one. The first cards you will see some real improvement (at least 20-30% more FPS) is the HD5870, 6950, 7850, and the GTX 570.
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remember the cards that will unlock are the ones who didnt pass whatever standards are for the higher card. so if you think you can buy a lower card and unlock to get the same performance as a higher card it may not be that way. companies wont just let you have a lower priced card to get the same performance as a higher card for nothing.
semp
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You say you can overclock the 6850 by 15-17% and get close to the 6870... thats a huge amount of OC i can tell you. 8-10% is rather realistic. But... you can buy a 6870 and pull it by another 10% and get half way towards the 6950... it works this way too : )
The 6870 is a great card, still, i wouldnt change a pair of 5770s to this one. The first cards you will see some real improvement (at least 20-30% more FPS) is the HD5870, 6950, 7850, and the GTX 570.
Back in the day the 5870 was slightly less perf. than the CFX 5770s, I figured this being a 2GB card even though it was renamed, would be pretty much on par with 5770s if not slightly better also with newer technology, running cooler etc.
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Back in the day the 5870 was slightly less perf. than the CFX 5770s, I figured this being a 2GB card even though it was renamed, would be pretty much on par with 5770s if not slightly better also with newer technology, running cooler etc.
Just looked up a test, you are right, it said the 5770s came out almost exactly equal to the 5870. More than surprising, the CF drivers are great, since the 5770 is exactly a halved 5870 (SP, ROP, Texturers).
I wouldnt change to that card. Still, you know.
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It is more than just upgrading the card, there is a trade with those cards. If I get ambitious I can get another one...though I really don't want to mess with CFX again.
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there was a big argument last year about the 3.0 v 6.0. I believe the consensus was that system dont even saturate the 3.0 bandwidth yet. but I would buy the 6.0 just in case, you never know somebody may come up with a program that does the day after you buy the 3.0.
semp
I sh!@ you not, you can quote that same statement, word for word, with what they were saying years ago about PCI-E graphics cards when they first started to become available when the standard was still AGP8X (well, dual AGP8X, but still, didn't take a year or two for PCI-E to overtake the market).
If they make it, we will come.
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there was a big argument last year about the 3.0 v 6.0. I believe the consensus was that system dont even saturate the 3.0 bandwidth yet. but I would buy the 6.0 just in case, you never know somebody may come up with a program that does the day after you buy the 3.0.
semp
No program can make hardware to exceed its physical limitations. A mechanical drive can't even saturate 1/3rd of SATA6G where a proper SSD will almost fully saturate the bus. Therefore it's purely marketing BS to have SATA6G on a regular platter drive. The only part where it can theoretically benefit a little is burst rate i.e. when data is read from the HDD cache. That's a burst of 8-32Mb in current drives, not much to write home about :)
I remember similar misconceptions about low-end graphics card and PCI-E 2.0 :) It's like saying your 1987 model Yugo will go much faster with tires rated for 300km/h instead of the regular 170km/h ones. Bad news.. it still won't exceed 120km/h!
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It is more than just upgrading the card, there is a trade with those cards. If I get ambitious I can get another one...though I really don't want to mess with CFX again.
right, got it... :aok
sorry my brain is super slow...
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Just got it in...this thing is beautiful...but it will never beat the hot chick that was on my 5770s. :)
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Looks like Debrody is right. I get many stutters with this card on the same settings in COH and World of Tanks. Looks like it'll be going back, for something a bit more powerful and a lot less noisy. It sounds like there is an M1 Abrams in my room.
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Here is the setup I personally am getting within the next six months... im waiting for a small price drop around christmas.
Motherboard:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Maximus_V_Extreme/#specifications
Processor:
http://ark.intel.com/products/65523/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-Processor-%288M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz%29
RAM:
http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=525&c1=1&c2=3
Video Card:
http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/GraphicCard/AX7870%202GBD5-6D?SearchTerms=powercolor%207870&ViewType=List
Hard Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236243
:airplane:~<DeadStickMac
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most likely you wont get them for one of two reason. they maybe out of stock, or something better will come along :D. but they look good.
semp
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Let the fun begin!
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/comp_parts.jpg)
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what is wrong with you. everything is so clean, no ashtrays or trash on the floor and no beer/alcohol anywhere. you cant build a computer like that?
semp
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what is wrong with you. everything is so clean, no ashtrays or trash on the floor and no beer/alcohol anywhere. you cant build a computer like that?
semp
QFT everyone knows any build project is not within spec without having at least .2 intoxication. :P
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Which i7 did you get? And how much ram?
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Skuzzy gave me a great piece of advice when I built my rig in February - TAKE YOUR TIME!
Took me an entire day (haven't built a rig in over 10 years...was fun learning to read Chinese english instruction manuals)
Everything was cake except for the heat sink which I never used, or SSD drives for the I7's cache.
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With liquid cooling does it cool the video card or no?
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If you hook the liquid cooling up to the video card, yes.
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If you hook the liquid cooling up to the video card, yes.
I bought it from ibuypower so i havent checked :p. Wanting to upgrade to a new card , im afraid ill mess something up if im not careful lol.
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I have never messed with a water cooling setup. I'm afraid the do it yourself ones have too much room for error and one mistake can fry your entire computer. I hear the Corsair CPU ones are nice. A single rad...plug in and go. I'm sure you could set one up for the video cards with one as well. If you bought it through somebody, it may take a greater amount of time and work to rework their setup, also I'd assume doing anything to the stock cooling of the video card voids the warranty? I was thinking of doing it myself since I can't hear myself think with this card.
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Ill leave mine alone or take it to a local tech.
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what is wrong with you. everything is so clean, no ashtrays or trash on the floor and no beer/alcohol anywhere. you cant build a computer like that?
semp
Well, I gave up smoking 15 years ago, but the beer frig is full :P
Also, this is only the "unpacking" phase. I did spend 10 minutes chasing little peanuts of styrofoam around the house.
Which i7 did you get? And how much ram?
I got the 3770K in the LGA1155, only 8 gigs of ram for now, but knew I could add more later.
Skuzzy gave me a great piece of advice when I built my rig in February - TAKE YOUR TIME!
Took me an entire day (haven't built a rig in over 10 years...was fun learning to read Chinese english instruction manuals)
Everything was cake except for the heat sink which I never used, or SSD drives for the I7's cache.
Thanks, building one is easy. After building video games, and rebuilding pinballs and all other kind of vending machines the actual "build" is a piece of cake. The part I hate is getting it setup like I like it, and all the right software installed an updated. A week down the road I always end up with a list of things I forgot to add. :cry
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With liquid cooling does it cool the video card or no?
Only if you buy water blocks for your video card.
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Assembled and ready to go!
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/new_computer.jpg)
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Cool man! My mobo pooped the bed a couple days ago. Getting an i5 3570k, Z77 mobo and 16 gigs of ddr3 ram as an upgrade.
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How is that 670 doing sir???
I am doing a rig for a friend and he is sending all the products to my house.
NZXT 810 Switch case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146094
EVGA X79 MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188123
i7 3930 CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492
Corsair Vengance Memory (32 gig) 16 going into storage http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233263
Velociraptor Hard drive (1 tb) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236243
OCZ 240 gig SSD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227727
CorsIR 1200 watt PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139014
with 3 of these monsters EVGA GTX 670 FTW http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787
I told him he could go and put it together himself but he said he wanted me to build it ... He still is undecided as to whether he is going water cooled but I told him he would be silly not to with all that money invested in a computer. LOL
LawnDart
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lawn why not just get the 8gig ram? something like this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233232
semp
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Because he wants to put 16 in now and save the other 16 for later as an upgrade .
LawnDart
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3X 670's?? Whats he doing with it?
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Because he wants to put 16 in now and save the other 16 for later as an upgrade .
LawnDart
That is pointless. Plus this mobo only has 4 slots.
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That is pointless. Plus this mobo only has 4 slots.
Yes and no, 7 Pro only recocognizes up to 8 gigs, although I believe you can still access the rest. I believe. The board having only 4 DIMM slots isnt much of a draw back either, long as client gets a 2011 socket board when he wants to put the final 16 gigs in, if he gets 8 DIMM slots (which from what I've seen is pretty normal with 2011, supporting up to 64 gigs), he can slap the final 16 in.
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Yes and no, 7 Pro only recocognizes up to 8 gigs, although I believe you can still access the rest. I believe. The board having only 4 DIMM slots isnt much of a draw back either, long as client gets a 2011 socket board when he wants to put the final 16 gigs in, if he gets 8 DIMM slots (which from what I've seen is pretty normal with 2011, supporting up to 64 gigs), he can slap the final 16 in.
I think the pointless thing about it is that the ram may never be used. or if later used perhaps the mobo that he gets wont be able to use it. ram is cheap right now, but it's really useless to buy something that may or maynot be used in the near future.
semp
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Yep.
Figured out that my PSU overvolted the mobo. I think it overvolted the computer I tested it on as well to see if it was overvolting...now I'm 2 computers down :(
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Yes and no, 7 Pro only recocognizes up to 8 gigs, although I believe you can still access the rest. I believe. The board having only 4 DIMM slots isnt much of a draw back either, long as client gets a 2011 socket board when he wants to put the final 16 gigs in, if he gets 8 DIMM slots (which from what I've seen is pretty normal with 2011, supporting up to 64 gigs), he can slap the final 16 in.
quick question, how did you come to the conclusion that win7 pro only recognizes 8gb of ram? the 64bit version has a limit of 192gb...the home basic version has a limit of 8gb.
ebfd11, if your buddy wants to use 8 ram chips, that is the wrong mobo. have him pick one from this list...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600238946&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=Number%20of%20Memory%20Slots%3a%208%u00d7240pin&hisInDesc=8%u00d7240pin&name=Core%20i7%20%28LGA2011%29&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600238946&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=Number%20of%20Memory%20Slots%3a%208%u00d7240pin&hisInDesc=8%u00d7240pin&name=Core%20i7%20%28LGA2011%29&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20)
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Well, I got the "Beast" up and running. I ran 3D MARK 11 and got....
P9118
Graphics 9231
Physics 9571
Combined 7843
I'm not sure how good/bad that is but the sucker is quick :D I'm still running the on-board sound, but will add my SB Xtreme soon. I haven't had a chance to fly, but I'm looking forward to messing with the setting for that.
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Time of this report: 7/24/2012, 04:47:33
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System Model: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
BIOS: BIOS Date: 03/08/12 19:58:28 Ver: 04.06.05
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.5GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8086MB RAM
Page File: 1817MB used, 14353MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 670
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1189&SUBSYS_26783842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 4042 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1994 MB
Shared Memory: 2047 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: VA2431 Series
Monitor Id: VSCD824
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: DVI
Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 8.17.0013.0142 (English)
Driver Version: 8.17.13.142
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 5/15/2012 06:48:00, 18044224 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-52C9-11CF-7C5B-75061FC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x1189
SubSys ID: 0x26783842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Driver Strong Name: oem13.inf:NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6 .1:Section033:8.17.13.142:pci\ven_10de&dev_1189
Rank Of Driver: 00E62001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C ModeVC1_C ModeWMV9_C
D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 670
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1189&SUBSYS_26783842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 4042 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1994 MB
Shared Memory: 2047 MB
Current Mode: 1600 x 900 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: HP S2031
Monitor Id: HWP2903
Native Mode: 1600 x 900(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: DVI
Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 8.17.0013.0142 (English)
Driver Version: 8.17.13.142
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 5/15/2012 06:48:00, 18044224 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-52C9-11CF-7C5B-75061FC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x1189
SubSys ID: 0x26783842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Driver Strong Name: oem13.inf:NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6 .1:Section033:8.17.13.142:pci\ven_10de&dev_1189
Rank Of Driver: 00E62001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C ModeVC1_C ModeWMV9_C
D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (2- High Definition Audio Device)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0899&SUBSYS_18491898&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 11/20/2010 23:23:47, 350208 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Microsoft
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Description: Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (2- High Definition Audio Device)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0899&SUBSYS_18491898&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 11/20/2010 23:23:47, 350208 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Microsoft
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
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quick question, how did you come to the conclusion that win7 pro only recognizes 8gb of ram? the 64bit version has a limit of 192gb...the home basic version has a limit of 8gb.
ebfd11, if your buddy wants to use 8 ram chips, that is the wrong mobo. have him pick one from this list...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600238946&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=Number%20of%20Memory%20Slots%3a%208%u00d7240pin&hisInDesc=8%u00d7240pin&name=Core%20i7%20%28LGA2011%29&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600238946&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=Number%20of%20Memory%20Slots%3a%208%u00d7240pin&hisInDesc=8%u00d7240pin&name=Core%20i7%20%28LGA2011%29&ActiveSearchResult=True&Pagesize=20)
Running off memory that served me wrong. Past few weeks I've been cramming an A+ book into my head. between that, recent personal things and other commitments I had a lapse of memory.
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quick question, how did you come to the conclusion that win7 pro only recognizes 8gb of ram? the 64bit version has a limit of 192gb...the home basic version has a limit of 8gb.
most mobos have a limit of 32 gigs of ram and 4 ram slots. and the 32 bit only supports 4gb ram for all versions. a funny thing though, i have yet to see a home basic version for sale anywhere. i just found out there was a starter version also and it only supports 2gb of ram.
semp
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New PC is all fired up now!
MSI Z77A-G45
Intel Core i5-3570k
16GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3-1600
Radeon HD 6870 2GB
Cooler Master 700W Silent Pro
WD 1TB Blue
Yes the stock cooler sucks...I have 3 coolers laying here and all are LGA 775 or 1366. :(
Since I had everything out of the case I decided to do some better cabling as well. It is amazing how much better I got at cable management.
Before:
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/spikesx/IMG_2363.jpg)
Tough to see but under the HDD was a total disaster.
After:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/oghybr.jpg)
Much better airflow through that front intake fan now.
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Spikes, is that the NZXT M59 case? Is so, curious how you're routing the 4/8-pin CPU wire. I have to run mine along the back of the case, up under the rear 120mm and to the plug. It looks like yours isn't done that way (hard to tell), but also not sure if it's even the same case. :)
Can see basically how I'm routing it (snakes its way over the PSU and up):
(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv181/Xcelsior1701/Computer/IMG_20120725_171641.jpg)
Not my preferred way but I have yet to find a better way!
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Lexa S - up and behind the mobo. With old board it went over the top. With this board I stick it between the USB/PS2 and S/PDIF ports near the I/O. So it wraps arouind the side of the mobo back through the mobo cutout.
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Lexa S - up and behind the mobo. With old board it went over the top. With this board I stick it between the USB/PS2 and S/PDIF ports near the I/O. So it wraps arouind the side of the mobo back through the mobo cutout.
These dang Tower cases all look the same on the inside! Can't tell 'em apart, I miss my M40 Cube. :lol
Not a lot of wiggle room in this case/mobo, was thinking maybe you found some secret to it. Ah well, everything is all Zip-Tied up in place after today so at least it won't keep coming loose back there. May try the between Ports on the I/O, but mine's fairly compacted together.
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Depending on the 4/8 wires you may be able to sneak it behind the mobo as long as you have risers in it. The Beta EVO was brilliant, they had a hole cut out for it. Easy enough to do with a dremel if you have no fans up top, or a 120mm and not a 140.
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You can route your 8 pin the way I did mine before. Take your video card out and run it through that small hole close to the left hand side of it. You can fit wires though it but not the header, it worked well for when I used it though. Ended up buying an extension cable.
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You can route your 8 pin the way I did mine before. Take your video card out and run it through that small hole close to the left hand side of it. You can fit wires though it but not the header, it worked well for when I used it though. Ended up buying an extension cable.
i did the same thing and it's so much easier if you later replace your ps or want to re do your wire management.
semp