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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tupac on June 18, 2012, 11:09:34 PM
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Cant believe noone has posted this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2159359/Humanity-escapes-solar-Voyager-1-signals-reached-edge-interstellar-space.html
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Oh wow! How could I have missed this???? I have a friend that's a Co-op engineer at NASA.
Thanks for sharing!
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Adios! :cool:
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Its all good until it decides to come back as V'Ger
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:aok A pat on the back for humanity.
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Amazing smart "endless"power sources onboard of this space probes ; launced in 1977,and after 35 years most of the instruments onboard are still working powered by plutonium238 isotopes still communicating with Earth.Imagine how many batteries you need for a car for 35 years !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
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Amazing smart "endless"power sources onboard of this space probes ; launced in 1977,and after 35 years most of the instruments onboard are still working powered by plutonium238 isotopes still communicating with Earth.Imagine how many batteries you need for a car for 35 years !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
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I remember all the concern over launching that fuel back then.
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Steven Hawking believes it was a mistake to send it with a map showing our solar system, cause of allien invasionne!!
Go ahead, call Steven Hawking stupit.
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Its all good until it decides to come back as V'Ger
:D
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Go ahead, call Steven Hawking stupit.
I'd rather reserve that barb for the person that can't spell Stephan Hawking or even a simple word like "stupid".
ack-ack
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See ya in the future v'ger!
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/Vger_probe.jpg)
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I'd rather reserve that barb for the person that can't spell Stephan Hawking or even a simple word like "stupid".
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uhhhhh..."Stephen Hawking"
Just saying :)
RTR
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Steven Hawking believes it was a mistake to send it with a map showing our solar system, cause of allien invasionne!!
Go ahead, call Steven Hawking stupit.
His logic is sound. Smart enough aliens to stumble upon voyager won't need a map to figure out about where it came from. Now, an alien too stupid/inexperienced to stumble upon Voyager BUT NOT figure out where it came from... to then find a map onboard... *tin hat - on*.
Cool news, I think it'll be until the next one breaks into the outer reaches (and they can cross-reference data/readings) that this will really start making some buzz.
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I'd rather reserve that barb for the person that can't spell Stephan Hawking or even a simple word like "stupid".
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:lol
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uhhhhh..."Stephen Hawking"
Just saying :)
RTR
:rock
:rofl
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Veager...
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Steven Hawking believes it was a mistake to send it with a map showing our solar system, cause of allien invasionne!!
Go ahead, call Steven Hawking stupit.
Sorry Steven(sic) our TV and radio broadcasts expanding in a sphere at the speed of light marked our cosmic location long ago.
(But I will refrain from calling you stupit(sic))
Regards,
Sun
Question: If there was intelligent life in our infinite universe and they were not a peace loving species. Wouldn't the information on the Voyager be enough to destroy human kind?
I am sure that you have received a great deal of criticism in regard to the release of the ….. record that accompanies Voyager into the depths of space. In discussing the Pioneer 10 plaque with a friend today, he felt that it would be dangerous to give ourselves away in the event that a civilization that encountered the spacecraft would be hostile and plan to eradicate us as we would wish to eradicate a virus.
Answer: We have received almost nothing but praise for the inclusion of the Golden Phonograph Record on Voyager. We have also received lots of compliments on lthe contents, however, that praise rightly belongs to Carl Sagan and his colleagues who chose, assembled and got permission to use the material.
There were a few detractors, even as Sagan was formulating the disk.
In the Sagan, et al book, "Murmurs of Earth, the Voyager Interstellar Record", while describing some of his earlier work in sending messages from the Arecibo radar, spoke of two protests to that effort. Excerpts from that passage follow:
"One was from a few scientists who worried that we hadn't corrected for the speed of Earth in space in launching the message. ...............The other protest was a serious one, made by Sir Martin Ryle, a Nobel laureate and the Astronomer Royal of England. He wrote with great anxiety that he felt it was very hazardous to reveal our existence and location to the galaxy. For all we know, any creatures out there were malevolent or hungry, and once they knew of us, the might come to attack or eat us...........Many other less knowledgeable people had the same concerns.
"The fact is, for better or for worse, we have already announced our presence and location to the universe, and continue to do so every day. There is a sphere of radio transmission about thirty light years thick expanding outward at the speed of light, announcing to every star it envelops that the earth is full of people. Our television programs flood space with signals detectable at enormous distances by instruments not much greater than our own. It is a sobering thought that the first news of us may be the outcome of the Super Bowl.
"........... Whether or not Sir Martin Ryle is justified in his anxieties about revealing the location of our civilization is of course a debatable subject. Even so, it is too late to worry about it, so we might as well try to be friendly".
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html
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Y'know... any alien race that has developed faster than light interstellar travel is probably smart enough to find us anyways. And what would be the point of attacking earth?
For our resources? Pff... there are orders of magnitude greator resources in the solar system that are far easier to access than flying into Earth's gravity well and possibly fending off a native species.
To eliminate a potential enemy? We've had space capabilty for 50 years now, we've sent men no further than the moon. I think it's fair to say that a FTL capable species has nothing to fear from us for a couple hundred years.
I can't wait to see the datay Voyager sends back about interstellar space. But I'm not overly worried about being invaded by the borg because of it.
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They may all look like Ewoks and be scared to death we might eat them....
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/b7/Ewoks-endor.jpg)
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For our resources? Pff... there are orders of magnitude greator resources in the solar system that are far easier to access than flying into Earth's gravity well and possibly fending off a native species.
We don't know what resources we have that we don't know anything about yet.
Maybe we are the #1 source of Unobtainium in this part of the galaxy... :noid
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Voyagers road map means nothing....we have been sending signals out for years (Radio, TV) that are well past where Voyager is already.....I'm thinking any interstellar travelers would be able to dial in on those back to the source.
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We're only marginally smarter than chimpanzees, but look how we capture, imprison and use them for medical testing. Would a species only marginally smarter than us treat us the same way?
As far as reasons to attack, well, humans hunt and attack almost all species we consider lesser than us. We kill millions of our own species for little reason.
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Veager...
V'Ger... and that was Voyager 6 which doesn't exist.
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In our history when a greatly superior civilization encountered a much lower one, that lower one suffered severly. Often on purpose or sometimes it just happened that way.
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V'Ger... and that was Voyager 6 which doesn't exist.
Or does it? :noid
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I sure hope they loaded it up with smallpox infested blankets. Gov't used to love to give those away. Space injuns probably squatting on the best land out there.
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I sure hope they loaded it up with smallpox infested blankets. Gov't used to love to give those away. Space injuns probably squatting on the best land out there.
You see this? This this is funny.
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The earth is loaded with hot chicks.
This is plenty of motivation for an alien attack.
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The earth is loaded with hot chicks.
This is plenty of motivation for an alien attack.
Or an invasion of green female aliens from space college on their spring space break from planet Nymph
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I'd rather reserve that barb for the person that can't spell Stephan Hawking or even a simple word like "stupid".
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
:cheers: Oz
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I'd rather reserve that barb for the person that can't spell Stephan Hawking or even a simple word like "stupid".
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Touche...
Interesting points about radio transmissions pointing to earth anyway. Also I suspect that the trajectory of Voyager might be a road map in and of itself, simply plot it's course in reverse so to speak and find out where you end up.
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Whatever it encounters will probably already have been here before. :D
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You know I was once probed by an alien :noid
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You know I was once probed by an alien :noid
We could tell...... I heard they had to kick you off the space craft because you wanted to stay. :neener:
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We could tell...... I heard they had to kick you off the space craft because you wanted to stay. :neener:
They were very attractive, but it was also very dark... :noid
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They were very attractive, but it was also very dark... :noid
I heard about an astronaut who landed on a planet with very tall women. The first one he talked to he said, "take me to your ladder, see your leader later".
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I suspect that the trajectory of Voyager might be a road map in and of itself, simply plot it's course in reverse so to speak and find out where you end up.
That would work if everything in the universe stayed in the same place. It doesn't. Voyager crossed and will continue to cross the path of several planets, moons, ect. On the other hand, they could trace the radio signal.
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If aliens wanted to find us, they would just look for the only planet with a bunch of junk floating around it. :D
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That would work if everything in the universe stayed in the same place. It doesn't. Voyager crossed and will continue to cross the path of several planets, moons, ect. On the other hand, they could trace the radio signal.
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h215/annie20_2006/cheechchong.jpg)
Coogan :rolleyes:
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Coogan FYI,
I clicked the link for Offline Missions, from your link.
When I click to download "Zeroes",
my AV blocked URL saying it was a malicious URL.
Those using mediafire, etc might want to check their files, films or whatever.
:cheers: Oz
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That would work if everything in the universe stayed in the same place. It doesn't. Voyager crossed and will continue to cross the path of several planets, moons, ect. On the other hand, they could trace the radio signal.
You don't think that a species smart enough to discover "Voyager" in space might not be able to perform the calculations necessary to deduce the path Voyager followed, including deviations as incurred by gravitational deviations?
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Coogan FYI,
I clicked the link for Offline Missions, from your link.
When I click to download "Zeroes",
my AV blocked URL saying it was a malicious URL.
Those using mediafire, etc might want to check their files, films or whatever.
:cheers: Oz
I've heard some bad things about mediafire. I'm going to have to find someplace else to host my missions.
Any suggestions are welcome.
Coogan
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Cool.
I worked for the company that made the actuators for Voyager ..that are still working just fine to this day.
Schaeffer Magnetics in Chatsworth .. wore lab coat, worked in clean room,
had JPL doods over inspecting finished product and signing off tests an such.
One of the Inspectors flew P-38's in North Africa.
Was *very* cool .. like workin in a toy shop.
Interesting work ethic there .. nothing left the shop unless it was able to do what it was supposed to.
We did it right the first time . . period.
One of the many things my team did ..
Had an actuator that was meant for the shuttle arm
.. projected torque output was beyond what our granite slab mounting table that was bolted to the floor could handle.
So. . I suggested using a single 'D' cell flashlight battery and measuring how much torque was available.
Well .. we bolted a 6 foot arm to it, and had our lovely receptionist
(a one time Las Vegas Show Girl who was very easy to look at)
..grab onto the end of it and we lifted her off the floor.
Mr. Schaeffer walked in as we were lifting her,
..said it would be a great image for advertising the actuator :)
He was blown away when we showed him it was wired to a flashlight battery for power :)
Mr. Schaeffer was a DD Commander in WW2..he was off Iwo during the invasion,
..he was one of the lucky ones not hit by Kamikaze during the Iwo landings.
Very much a no-nonsense get it done type .. we got along great.
During my interview ..instead of asking about my quals or job history ..
..he asked what my mean time between failure was on my race car for the motor.
I kinda laughed .. told him I had never broken a motor, and had raced my Duster *then* for over 10 years.
His next words were 'You're hired, when can you start?'
Good times.
-Frank aka GE
Engineering Tech Lead no less .. a rocket scientist some would say :)
and yes .. I have systems I built in space, still working just fine.
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You don't think that a species smart enough to discover "Voyager" in space might not be able to perform the calculations necessary to deduce the path Voyager followed, including deviations as incurred by gravitational deviations?
If China intercepted a space probe that happened to wander/crash into one of their spacecraft with training wheels, do you think they could figure exactly where it came from? And those guys are good at math.
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If China intercepted a space probe that happened to wander/crash into one of their spacecraft with training wheels, do you think they could figure exactly where it came from? And those guys are good at math.
Typical answering a question with a question from you. You are worse than zero.
Based upon a known arrival and it not simply smashing into Earth, I would bet they likely could.
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That would work if everything in the universe stayed in the same place. It doesn't. Voyager crossed and will continue to cross the path of several planets, moons, ect. On the other hand, they could trace the radio signal.
Interesting thought, but hypothetically I suspect an alien race capable of space travel could extrapolate voyagers origins. Not to mention the craft wont really be that distant in galactic terms in the next thousands of years.
From physics we know that voyagers current trajectory will be tangent to the last gravitational body it interacted with, which I think was one of our gas giants like Neptune or Saturn. So in other words, voyagers exact opposite course will be where it escaped the gravitational pull of the planet (like a stone leaving the sling).
Now, since then that planet has moved in orbit around the sun, and the sun and our solar system have moved as well within the galaxy. So the exact opposite of voyagers course will follow a path to some empty point in space.
The thing is that empty point in space will be in cosmic distances, still very close to our solar system. Considering that our nearest star, alpha century, is what, 4-5 light years away?
Anyway that is my deduction, but for gods sakes Jim, I'm a civil engineer not a physicist.
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It also would not be hard to simply rewind time on a computer and see where it's path intersected with a star system. The rewind would also move the star systems back along their travel paths as the orbit the galactic core.
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They are an advanced civilization... they would simply talk to the probe.
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Typical answering a question with a question from you. You are worse than zero.
Based upon a known arrival and it not simply smashing into Earth, I would bet they likely could.
Wow, you're a little wound up over this. Apparently you have some unresolved issues with me over something. Lighten up Francis.
I was trying to give a scenario where it might not land in the hands of the brightest kids in the Galaxy...
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Voyager is nothing more than a space hazard to any intelligent species it might encounter. It will be nearly 40,000 years before it passes near another star and in this case "near" means 1.7 light years. Basically its just a floating monument to the arrogance of humans. At least we got some useful information from it during its time in the system.
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It also would not be hard to simply rewind time on a computer and see where it's path intersected with a star system. The rewind would also move the star systems back along their travel paths as the orbit the galactic core.
True. In fact it wouldn't be difficult even for us puny humans with today's computers and knowledge of the movements of interstellar bodies. However, if the probe gets captured by another star and enters an orbit, backtracking becomes impossible.
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We can only hope that Slim Whitman's "indian love call" was included on the gold record.
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You don't think that a species smart enough to discover "Voyager" in space might not be able to perform the calculations necessary to deduce the path Voyager followed, including deviations as incurred by gravitational deviations?
I dont, at least after its been through a few gravity wells and travelled massive distances in interstellar space, which iirc is thought to be quite gusty. chaos :aok
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We can only hope that Slim Whitman's "indian love call" was included on the gold record.
That was Voyager 2.