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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: titanic3 on June 21, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
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Air to air rockets, 12 under each wing, held by wooden racks. Fired in volleys that acted as a shotgun barrage to disperse bomber formations. Contact fuse, inaccurate when fired one by one, but effective when fired en masse.
Was used, saw combat and confirmed kills. Would be awesome to have in game.
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+1
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+1 would love to have additional fun in the 262
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(http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW/Me262-R4M-34.jpg)
(http://www.jetcero.com/news%20files/r4m_detail.jpg)
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same reason we gave before. if you want to get easy kills get a pony like I do. 262's should be a challenge to fly and get kills in. otherwise we would have every dweeb with 200 perks zooming by and try to use rockets as he cant get any kills with guns.
semp
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It'd be harder to get kill with the rockets than it is with the guns... :headscratch:
It's used as tool to break enemy bomber formations and then kill the stragglers with the cannons. In AH, at ranges under 800 yards, it'd be very much easier to kill bombers with the 30mms. At ranges of 1000 yards+, if you get by one of these, it's either 100% luck or 100% your fault because you couldn't turn to the side a little bit. It'll be almost impossible to kill a maneuvering fighter with these rockets because they are contact fused, which means they'll have to hit something first before exploding.
same reason we gave before. if you want to get easy kills get a pony like I do. 262's should be a challenge to fly and get kills in. otherwise we would have every dweeb with 200 perks zooming by and try to use rockets as he cant get any kills with guns.
semp
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horrible idea this game is already challenging for bombers to defend themselves cause of the lack of coordinated fire from the 3 planes
yeah firing from 1000 would be easy to miss but you know when you can go 200 mph faster than the bomber i can see it now flying in lancs and one 262 comes out of no where gets 100 or less from a formation sets a full salvo with a small delay and just pulls up and they as so close to you you can't avoid them and all 3 of your bombers gone
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horrible idea this game is already challenging for bombers to defend themselves cause of the lack of coordinated fire from the 3 planes
yeah firing from 1000 would be easy to miss but you know when you can go 200 mph faster than the bomber i can see it now flying in lancs and one 262 comes out of no where gets 100 or less from a formation sets a full salvo with a small delay and just pulls up and they as so close to you you can't avoid them and all 3 of your bombers gone
Hit the n key next time you are in a b17 turret. Looks pretty coordinated to me.
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Hit the n key next time you are in a b17 turret. Looks pretty coordinated to me.
im talking about the distance or range or even better convergence often your 2 drones will be firing in front or behind that target you are
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Im a bomber guy but I still believe 200 perks should at least buy you what was commonly used on the ME-262. The games 262s are much easier to hit with bomber guns then they were in real life anyways. Of course many 262 sticks in the game still insist on attacking bombers from the rear instead of using the actual tactics of the Luftwaffe.
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horrible idea this game is already challenging for bombers to defend themselves cause of the lack of coordinated fire from the 3 planes
Honestly, which game are you talking about? For me, if the bomber set knows im there, attacking them is a complete suicide. And nope, im not as much of a newb to attack from the dead six.
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It'd be harder to get kill with the rockets than it is with the guns... :headscratch:
It's used as tool to break enemy bomber formations and then kill the stragglers with the cannons. In AH, at ranges under 800 yards, it'd be very much easier to kill bombers with the 30mms. At ranges of 1000 yards+, if you get by one of these, it's either 100% luck or 100% your fault because you couldn't turn to the side a little bit. It'll be almost impossible to kill a maneuvering fighter with these rockets because they are contact fused, which means they'll have to hit something first before exploding.
Rockets in fact were statistically more effective than guns in real life & were the main weapon of choice for attacking bombers.
If programmed correctly in AHII it would be deadly on bombers.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/262rockets-1.jpg)
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(http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW/Me262-R4M-34.jpg)
(http://www.jetcero.com/news%20files/r4m_detail.jpg)
NICE!!!!!!!!!
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Perk this weapon, on top of perked ride. My guess is they are going to perk the 50mm on the soon to be released Me-410. Makes sense to me.
One observation, it is frequently mentiioned mnoobs with 200 perks' yada yada yada. Really not that many Me-262s in-game now. Perk these weapons and they'll be used even less frequently.
Boo
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If Germany would have produced the ME-262 firing these bundles of rockets much sooner the air war in west may have going badly for the Allies. Fortunately Hitler and all his cronies he appointed were totally Incompetent for the exception of Albert Speer. Hitler had wonderful companies in Germany with great manufacturing capabilities like Krupp that were hamstrung by his policies. Read (Strategy For Defeat The Luftwaffe 1933-1945 by Williamson Murray). While it is a dry read it is amazing the direction Hitler took his manufacturing and weapons development programs.
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. Perk these weapons and they'll be used even less frequently.
Boo
Guys use ME 262 to Dogfight I don't like the 262 but then again I have never flew one in the MA only killed by them
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Rockets in fact were statistically more effective than guns in real life & were the main weapon of choice for attacking bombers.
If programmed correctly in AHII it would be deadly on bombers.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/262rockets-1.jpg)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21734563@N04/2113721262/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21734563@N04/2108503973/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21734563@N04/3115709821/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21734563@N04/2112941171/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21734563@N04/2112941421/
Yes, but AH pilots have unlimited lives in which they can use to perfect their cannon's accuracy. If these were timed fuses like the Wrg21s we have now, it'd be a different story. At most, you'll get one or two kills with these rockets because you'll have to fire 12 off every time to have a decent chance of hitting a bomber.
Dennis, like Debrody said, any time a bomber sees a 262 in the area, chances are that's his first target. It's ridiculously easy to hit targets with bombers in AH. When I fly 262s, it's suicide to attack B17s or B24s by yourself. Even from a high 3/9 or 12 position, 262s are so fragile, one ping is all it takes and your engine is gone. Only reason 262s have a high K/D vs bombers in game is because those who use it are generally excellent pilots who knows when to attack and what position to attack from.
Adding the R4Ms will give even the average pilot a chance to kill bombers should he decide to attack them. On the other hand, veteran pilots can have a new toy to play with.
But really, getting hit by a contact fuse in mid air against a maneuvering target at combined speeds of 800mph+ takes either tremendous luck or skill. Players who have the skill to use these rockets effectively should be rewarded for it.
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Perk this weapon, on top of perked ride. My guess is they are going to perk the 50mm on the soon to be released Me-410. Makes sense to me.
One observation, it is frequently mentiioned mnoobs with 200 perks' yada yada yada. Really not that many Me-262s in-game now. Perk these weapons and they'll be used even less frequently.
Boo
The rockets on the Me110 are not perked, so why bother perking this or the 50mm? Neither are game changers. I wouldn't be surprised if the 410 is 5 eny or 10, its going to be a buff destroyer sure, but one escort plane will take care of it.
R4M is a one time weapon, even at 5 perks its not that big of a deal, however I don't see it being perked.
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Yes, but AH pilots have unlimited lives in which they can use to perfect their cannon's accuracy. If these were timed fuses like the Wrg21s we have now, it'd be a different story. At most, you'll get one or two kills with these rockets because you'll have to fire 12 off every time to have a decent chance of hitting a bomber.
With the spray pattern of 4802 square feet that the rockets have you could come up slightly lower & dead six of the formation pull your nose up slightly. Let all of them go at 1000 yards & you could in theory hit all three planes. With very little chance of being touched.
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With the spray pattern of 4802 square feet that the rockets have you could come up slightly lower & dead six of the formation pull your nose up slightly. Let all of them go at 1000 yards & you could in theory hit all three planes. With very little chance of being touched.
And it's not hard for the bomber pilot to pull the stick up or make erratic maneuvers if he sees a 262 lining up for a rocket attack. Bombing is easy as it is in AH, 262 was THE bomber killer, why shouldn't bomber pilots fear it?
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And it's not hard for the bomber pilot to pull the stick up or make erratic maneuvers if he sees a 262 lining up for a rocket attack. Bombing is easy as it is in AH, 262 was THE bomber killer, why shouldn't bomber pilots fear it?
In AH, the ME-262 is THE Paratroop killer =)
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horrible idea this game is already challenging for bombers to defend themselves cause of the lack of coordinated fire from the 3 planes
yeah firing from 1000 would be easy to miss but you know when you can go 200 mph faster than the bomber i can see it now flying in lancs and one 262 comes out of no where gets 100 or less from a formation sets a full salvo with a small delay and just pulls up and they as so close to you you can't avoid them and all 3 of your bombers gone
ive lost many a 262 to bomber units... if youre worried about dieing in a B17 to a 262 then form up with a few other bomber guys. Both the 91st and the Dickweeds have claimed 262s flown by me and squaddies as we have claimed 262s in the name of defending them. <S>
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With the spray pattern of 4802 square feet that the rockets have you could come up slightly lower & dead six of the formation pull your nose up slightly. Let all of them go at 1000 yards & you could in theory hit all three planes. With very little chance of being touched.
exactly one weapon should not be able to kill a entire formation
call it gamey if you want but the reason you can up 3 bombers its the only way to effectively do anything in them if one plane has a 1 in a 100 chance of killing the entire flight thats just stupid especially when they can do it from a range you can't hit them from
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:noid You know bombers don't have to fly in a straight and level line you know...Hell, even if you are in the gunner position, kick the rudder a little bit, problem solved.
The R4Ms will be a punishment if you will for bomber pilots who believe their plane should be invincible. :)
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I've been shot down only three times attacking buffs in a 262 and have killed over 500. That of course doesn't account for many collisions and subsequent augers or getting so close that the 30mm bursts actually killed me. :bhead
The 262 is a terror weapon against bombers and barring a lucky shot, the bomber guys are mostly helpless. Outside of flying at 30k, the only thing they can do is hard maneuvering to mess up your shot and/or cause a collision. The rockets seem totally unnecessary but they won't make it much easier.
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If bombers are pwning your 262, you are doing something wrong. Drop straight down and watch them fly through the rounds.
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+1, I would like to see some rockets on the 163 as well though :)
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+1 .....Did the 163 have rockets?
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exactly one weapon should not be able to kill a entire formation
call it gamey if you want but the reason you can up 3 bombers its the only way to effectively do anything in them if one plane has a 1 in a 100 chance of killing the entire flight thats just stupid especially when they can do it from a range you can't hit them from
we already have one weapon that can kill whole formation. Wr21 well placed can do it
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we already have one weapon that can kill whole formation. Wr21 well placed can do it
As weak as the engines are on the 262, I see no reason to not give it the R4M, I typically stay AWAY from bombers in a 262 simply because one ping on either engine and its oil is out or shot out.
a One engine 262 is extremely vulnerable, however correctly flown right, the R4M being added would be a bigger threat to bombers.
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Please give the R4M option to the 262.
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stormbirds.com/warbirds/tech_r4m_rocket.htm
"Fired from 600 meters, it had the same ballistics as the Mk108 cannon" so that pilots just used the Revi gunsight.
Contained 1.1lb of hexogen. Fired in groups of 4 or 6 at 0.07 seconds intervals (basically smashing the button).
I honestly don't see a reason why this shouldn't be added, it was used, it did its job as a tool to spread out bomber formations and even scored a single confirmed kill. Added to AH, it would force bomber pilots to actually fear 262s now and as a fun tool, it can be used to de-ack :).
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Added to AH, it would force bomber pilots to actually fear 262s now
Yes, right now bomber pilots have no reason to fear the 262 at all :rolleyes:
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Yes, right now bomber pilots have no reason to fear the 262 at all :rolleyes:
Hmm..I sure didn't the few times I upped a bomber. Pinged out both a 262's oil after losing a drone. I sure a better bomber pilot would've gotten a kill.
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Hmm..I sure didn't the few times I upped a bomber. Pinged out both a 262's oil after losing a drone. I sure a better bomber pilot would've gotten a kill.
262s enjoy a K/D against bombers only rivaled by the Tempest. Half a dozen bomber kills in a single sortie is by not a particularly rare feat. What a surprise considering the jet can quickly catch up and get into a perfect attack position in shortest time at all but the highest altitudes, with the currently heaviest gun armament in game.
There is no plane more dangerous to bombers in a sector than a 262.
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Hmm..I sure didn't the few times I upped a bomber. Pinged out both a 262's oil after losing a drone. I sure a better bomber pilot would've gotten a kill.
Me262s have something like a 12 to 1 K/D against bombers, IIRC. The only bomber that the Me262 itself does not mean death to me in is the Mossie XVI and that is only because I can play dodge the Me262 in most cases. Of course it just keeps me put for a piston fighter to come kill me in that case.
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262s enjoy a K/D against bombers only rivaled by the Tempest. Half a dozen bomber kills in a single sortie is by not a particularly rare feat. What a surprise considering the jet can quickly catch up and get into a perfect attack position in shortest time at all but the highest altitudes, with the currently heaviest gun armament in game.
There is no plane more dangerous to bombers in a sector than a 262.
Why the 262 is the most dangerous foe a Bomber can face, the bomber only needs to score a few hits on the engine of a 262 to bring it down, taming the beast.
If the 262 runs home quickly it can survive, if it plays until the oil runs out then its practically dead.
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Why the 262 is the most dangerous foe a Bomber can face, the bomber only needs to score a few hits on the engine of a 262 to bring it down, taming the beast.
If the 262 runs home quickly it can survive, if it plays until the oil runs out then its practically dead.
They have to get the hits first.
262's still kill bombers in droves. It's a very unfair 'duel'...
By the way, 50% of the 262's kills are bombers, that's a much higher percentage than any other fighter except the Me 163
So the me 262 kills more bombers with a much better efficiency than all other available fighters. To say "bombers don't have to fear the 262" is a total rejection of the actual reality of gameplay.
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To say "bombers don't have to fear the 262" is a total rejection of the actual reality of gameplay.
No where In my post did I say "Bombers dont have to fear 262s"? Chances are 75% of the time you will attack a buff pilot with average or below accuracy, which is where all the buff kills comes from.
However there is a very high chance the 262 will be damaged by the defensive firepower of the bombers, luck only runs so far - in Scenarios I tend to shy away from buff kills unless that is my order.
I much rather tangle with a fighter, which CANNOT shoot from every angle, then a Bomber who can easily bring half dozen or more machine guns on me. I might kill one drone, but all you need is one oil hit and the flight is over for the 262.
I personally have no problem taking down bombers, generally I can line up and get 3 in one pass more often then none. I consider it gambling when attacking a bomber vs a fighter is only thing I am trying to point out.
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Stats doesn't show the partial damage that 262s receive when they attack bombers. Like Butcher said, one ping and you have to run home most of the time. The only thing that I fear while flying 262s are bombers and puffy ack. I refuse to attack bombers unless I know they are occupied in the bombardier position or when other friendlies are already attacking them. Three weapons already exist (or is about to exist) in the game that make bomber's defensive fire near useless: WGr. 21, BK5 in the Me-410, and to a lesser extent, Me-163.
The R4Ms will be hardest thing to hit with if it gets added. Yet everyone is going on a fit. No one complains when their formation of bombers get blown up by 2x WGr. 21s, and no one complains when they get all 3 bombers shot down in one pass from a Me-163. All bomber pilots need to do is pull the stick up when they see a rocket trail. If they can't even do that, then they deserve to get hit by a contact fuse rocket mid air.
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Stats doesn't show the partial damage that 262s receive when they attack bombers. Like Butcher said, one ping and you have to run home most of the time.
But that ping is not frequent enough to make bombers "not fear the 262", which is what you have claimed.
The 262 is still the most succesfull bomber hunter, as you clearly can see both by the stats (again: check the bomber kill ratio - if 262s were as harmless against buffs as you claimed, they wouldn't kill so many more bombers than fighters, much more than all other fighters except the special-purpose 163.
To sum up once again: The 262 kills more bombers at higher efficiency with more kills per sortie. Which can not only be witnessed by the stats alone, but also by actually playing in the arena.
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The name "Snuggie" is not listed in the 262 pilot's Hall of Fame, and yet:
Kills of level bombers in 262 ...... 421
Killed by level bombers in 262 ... 9 (and most of those were collisions)
(K/D + 1) for a mediocre pilot flying the 262 versus all level bombers ... 42.1
You uber pilots should be decimating bombers by the hundreds. :headscratch:
edit: Kills versus fighters, attackers and goons totals = 119 kills/8 deaths (13.2 K/D). Seems like fighters are quite a bit more dangerous, no?
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No where In my post did I say "Bombers dont have to fear 262s"
You are not the only poster in this thread ;)
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most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, everyone knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.
Statistics don't tell everything.
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most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, every knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.
So 262 pilots do nothing else but search for buffs taking off? :rolleyes:
I get the feeling I'm being trolled. Why else would somebody claim such ridiculous things?
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most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, every knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.
Statistics don't tell everything.
Bombers are much more dangerous to engage at low altitudes. That eliminates a high speed vertical attack unless you are comfortable with chopping down trees with a 200 perk plane.
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most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, everyone knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.
Statistics don't tell everything.
Holy crap I am actually agreeing with a "The Few" member, hell is gona freeze, RUN!
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Bombers are much more dangerous to engage at low altitudes. That eliminates a high speed vertical attack unless you are comfortable with chopping down trees with a 200 perk plane.
Exactly.
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Bombers are much more dangerous to engage at low altitudes. That eliminates a high speed vertical attack unless you are comfortable with chopping down trees with a 200 perk plane.
For a newbie player sure, an average veteran player has no problem. Last Scenario as JG/7 TopGun flew 4 262s and engaged countless sets of B-26s on the Deck while we scouted at 10k.
Only one aircraft, even got hit - and it was an oil hit. Crab your aircraft, I dove down to the deck doing 600 and made slashing attacks doing easy 600+, we all attacked at the same time and decimated formation after formation.
I focused more on my instruments then the bombers, watch your alt and speed and maintain a gentle glide slope, and you will never have a problem.
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So 262 pilots do nothing else but search for buffs taking off? :rolleyes:
Exactly!!! High kills points, awesome hit%. Find a nice noob bombers spawn, camp at the end of the runway, land a double digit. Do that 3 times in the month and you're pretty well setup for #1 fighter. That and goon hunting in the back of the bish horde.
Welcome to aces high, you may want to watch a bit more the players and a bit less the stats.
Bombers are much more dangerous to engage at low altitudes. That eliminates a high speed vertical attack unless you are comfortable with chopping down trees with a 200 perk plane.
If you have to dive on the target in a 262 you are doing it wrong. You want to be under the target.
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Exactly!!! High kills points, awesome hit%. Find a nice noob bombers spawn, camp at the end of the runway, land a double digit. Do that 3 times in the month and you're pretty well setup for #1 fighter. That and goon hunting in the back of the bish horde.
Welcome to aces high, you may want to watch a bit more the players and a bit less the stats.
Lame trolling. I'm done.
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Lame trolling. I'm done.
Feel free to believe what you want, but that's how it's done. Nobody cruises at 20K in a 262 to kill bombers :lol
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For a newbie player sure, an average veteran player has no problem. Last Scenario as JG/7 TopGun flew 4 262s and engaged countless sets of B-26s on the Deck while we scouted at 10k.
Only one aircraft, even got hit - and it was an oil hit. Crab your aircraft, I dove down to the deck doing 600 and made slashing attacks doing easy 600+, we all attacked at the same time and decimated formation after formation.
I focused more on my instruments then the bombers, watch your alt and speed and maintain a gentle glide slope, and you will never have a problem.
As was pointed out in another thread, you are far from the "average" player. And working tag team with other 262s flown by other above average pilots is a different story than engaging a formation alone. 600mph on the deck leaves little room for error. Much easier to kill bombers when you are closing both laterally and vertically, making you a more difficult target.
If you have to dive on the target in a 262 you are doing it wrong. You want to be under the target.
I think my success in diving attacks dispels that. See previous page in this thread.
Feel free to believe what you want, but that's how it's done. Nobody cruises at 20K in a 262 to kill bombers :lol
I have and with success - even against B-29s way above 20k. You are the one doing it wrong if you're getting shot down.
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I don't bother chasing high bombers, waste of time.
Also this is not a mine is bigger contest, I respect your ability to kill high bombers in a 262, but you are a minority. AS AN EXAMPLE I can name 3 top me262 sticks (fester, drbone, bruv119) and they pretty much never reach 10K and rack a huge number of bomber kills by themselves.
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Nobody cruises at 20K in a 262 to kill bombers :lol
Your right who would be stupid enough to fly that low. :aok
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most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, everyone knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.
Statistics don't tell everything.
LOL, ah, No.
Maybe you were traumitized once by the 262 that vulched you on take off ? Otherwise you are just being foolish.
I routinely hunt buffs from 25k in a 262, at speed, nothing less than 300mph. And Ive escorted buffs in them too. Big buff mission 2 weeks ago at 27k, escorting them, 3 kills.
You will have to lose quite a few 262's to learn how to use them but when you do, oh my..........................
Ad, not to derail the thread, gimme the rockets. I visualize attacking 8 tight boxes of buffs and scaring the....................
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Your right who would be stupid enough to fly that low. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/sayswho.jpg)
Last time I brought a 262 that high I thought I would throw up. Prop planes were doing circles around me. Also it reminds me a wmaker thread stating that the 262 should perform much better at altitude...
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Your right who would be stupid enough to fly that low. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/sayswho.jpg)
Another outlier! ;)
I don't bother chasing high bombers, waste of time.
Also this is not a mine is bigger contest, I respect your ability to kill high bombers in a 262, but you are a minority. AS AN EXAMPLE I can name 3 top me262 sticks (fester, drbone, bruv119) and they pretty much never reach 10K and rack a huge number of bomber kills by themselves.
Exactly my point. I am not even close to being good in the 262 but attacking buffs is a cinch. The players you mentioned are wholesale slaughterers of low alt fighters. Perhaps they are killing bombers on the runway as you previously mentioned. That doesn't apply to this thread and the perceived need of R4M rockets to kill bombers.
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Last time I brought a 262 that high I thought I would throw up. Prop planes were doing circles around me. Also it reminds me a wmaker thread stating that the 262 should perform much better at altitude...
In the Scenario I flew at 30k in a 262 and danced with a squadron of P47s and P38s, believe me the 262 has an edge as long as it doesnt get slow.
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I had an Me262 at about 34,000ft Saturday night. I was in a Mossie XVI climbing past 35,000ft trying to keep above him. Seemed to be generally working too until a Ta152 got involved.
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You guys that are against the R4Ms say there is no "need" to add it.
My question: Why?
Planes that carry the WGr.21s certainly do not "need" them to kill bombers, yet they have them anyway (when was the last time you saw a 109 with rockets?).
You fail to realize that R4Ms are CONTACT fuse, ie. you have to hit something to explode. What are the chances of hitting a bomber while you yourself are traveling at 500mph+? Even less if it's a 12'o clock pass due to the increased combined closure speed, and even less if the bomber pilot actually do something other than press "X".
I've seen Boxman do his rocket runs in a 110, I've seen the bomber pilot just fly straight and level until boom. That's what SHOULD happen IF you decide to fall asleep in the middle of an attack or underestimate the accuracy of the rockets.
Again, these are contact fuse, they were used in the war, and they saw combat. If you think the R4M is too deadly, then perhaps we should remove the BK5 on the Me410 and the WGr 21s?
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I had an Me262 at about 34,000ft Saturday night. I was in a Mossie XVI climbing past 35,000ft trying to keep above him. Seemed to be generally working too until a Ta152 got involved.
Never try to get a mossy VI above 22k, tried to intercept B24s at 24k and they just ran from me.
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on topic, this rockets seem nice but a direct hit is needed to get a kill, and I doubt they are very precise. Combine that with the big bulky rack they are attached to, and I doubt we have a game breaker here.
+1 one more toys to play with
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Never try to get a mossy VI above 22k, tried to intercept B24s at 24k and they just ran from me.
Dunno, it isn't great due to its single stage engines with a critical altitude of 13,000ft, but I haven't had problems running down B-24s/B-17s over 20,000 in it.
That said I was in a Mosquito Mk XVI with two stage engines and a critical altitude of 28,000ft in this case. Just no guns.
As for the R4Ms, I have no problem with those being added.
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exactly one weapon should not be able to kill a entire formation
call it gamey if you want but the reason you can up 3 bombers its the only way to effectively do anything in them if one plane has a 1 in a 100 chance of killing the entire flight thats just stupid especially when they can do it from a range you can't hit them from
WGr21's on the 110, 109, and 190 can kill an entire formation with two rockets if used properly, and given just a bit of luck, and they can do it from beyond the range of effective retaliation.
What's more, they have both impact fuzes, and distance fuzes, so you don't even HAVE to score a direct hit.
R4M's would be deadly, but only if the bomber pilot were brain-dead.
Fact is that bombers have it several orders of magnitude easier in AH than in real life. You don't have hundreds of high caliber AA guns shooting at you, you don't have a 1000 mile long flight in which to be intercepted, you don't have radar tracking you for almost the entire length of your flight unless you're a complete moron.
There's NO reason not to get the R4M rockets for the 262. You're just a bad bomber pilot who doesn't want to learn to fly smart, so get over it.
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Interesting the thoughts of a 262 pilot & rockets who was in the very first mission that used them.
He had two kills his first try out.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/img012.jpg)
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was a lot of fun
43 sets Lancs in Film viewer window
was a sight to see
wish I had more ammo..only got 5
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/lowerbrook/43Lancs.jpg)
Perfect time for R4Ms eh? :noid :x
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Feel free to believe what you want, but that's how it's done. Nobody cruises at 20K in a 262 to kill bombers :lol
you never met cal lol.
semp
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If you have to climb to 20-30k to Kill Bombers then you Gents infact do not know how to fly a 262 Low(4k-8k) Which is why you resort to chasing those 3 worthless kills for 3 sectors.
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I hate lag. :cry
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If you have to climb to 20-30k to Kill Bombers then you Gents infact do not know how to fly a 262 Low(4k-8k) Which is why you resort to chasing those 3 worthless kills for 3 sectors.
That is the fun of it the Buff guy thinks no one is coming up here to get me.
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(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/lowerbrook/43Lancs.jpg)
Perfect time for R4Ms eh? :noid :x
HOLY HELL!!!!!