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There is a scene in Private Ryan where they take the 60-mm mortar shell and strike the tail against a surface to arm it, then throw it like a grenade.
Anyone know if that is accurate, or just Hollywood. Could/can mortar shells be used like that?
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It was on a mission in callof duty aswell. It must be real!
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Yes it would work, and did work on several occasions.
Cpl. Kelly won a MoH for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Kelly
The M52 Fuse is bore safe. This is accomplished by the assembling of the detonator into a slider which in the unarmed position holds the detonator out of alignment with the firing pin and the tetryl lead charge. Arming of the slider within the bore of the weapon is prevented by the safety pin, the head of which bears against the bore and retains the slider in the unarmed position. To prevent arming of the set-back pin, which holds the safety pin in position, a cotter pin (safety wire in later manufacture) is utilized.
Function. This fuse is armed in the same manner as the M45. The cotter pin or safety wire is removed to free the set-back pin. The shell is dropped down the bore of the weapon. The force of set-back resulting from ignition of the propelling charge causes the set-back pin to move rearward against its spring. This frees the safety pin. The safety pin, due to the action of its spring, is forced out of the fuse until its head comes in contact with the bore of-the mortar. After emerging from the mortar, the safety pin is completely ejected by its spring from the fuse. The slider is now free, and due to the action of the slider spring, is forced into the armed position, thereby bringing the detonator in direct alignment with the explosive train. The slider also serves to close the hole left by the safety pin, so as to prevent the entrance of mud or dirt into the slider cavity which might interfere with the fuse functioning. The slider is locked in the armed position by a slider lock which is forced into a recess in the slider by a slider lock spring.
Upon impact with the target, the striker is forced inward against its spring bringing the firing pin into the detonator charge of priming mixture, lead azide, and tetryl. The wave produced functions the lead charge of tetryl which in turn detonates the booster of tetryl. The booster charge amplifies the wave and sends it to the shell filler.
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There is a scene in Private Ryan where they take the 60-mm mortar shell and strike the tail against a surface to arm it, then throw it like a grenade.
Anyone know if that is accurate, or just Hollywood. Could/can mortar shells be used like that?
Do you know how a mortar shell is launch from the tube? That should answer your question.
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Never seen one fired, but I gather it drops down the tube and hits a firing pin at the bottom, that activates a primer in the shell, that ignites the propellent.
What confuses me is first, if you are just hitting the tail against a flat surface, how would that activate the primer. And if the primer goes off, wouldn't that activate the propellent.
In other words, if slapping it down activated the primer, wouldn't it blast out of the persons hand when the propellent was ignited.
Must be that slapping it down somehow arms the fuse for the explosive and not the propellent.
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I believe I quoted how the fuse worked...
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I believe I quoted how the fuse worked...
Hey, you're back.
:huh
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Holy geez. This guy is your perfect example of military personnel.
Not bad for a soldier. ;) Hehe, just breakin' balls.
"Kelly's official Medal of Honor citation reads:
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of life above and beyond the call of duty. On 13 September 1943, near Altavilla, Italy, Cpl. Kelly voluntarily joined a patrol which located and neutralized enemy machine gun positions. After this hazardous duty he volunteered to establish contact with a battalion of U.S. infantry which was believed to be located on Hill 315, a mile distant. He traveled over a route commanded by enemy observation and under sniper, mortar, and artillery fire; and later he returned with the correct information that the enemy occupied Hill 315 in organized positions. Immediately thereafter Cpl. Kelly, again a volunteer patrol member, assisted materially in the destruction of 2 enemy machinegun nests under conditions requiring great skill and courage. Having effectively fired his weapon until all the ammunition was exhausted, he secured permission to obtain more at an ammunition dump. Arriving at the dump, which was located near a storehouse on the extreme flank of his regiment's position, Cpl. Kelly found that the Germans were attacking ferociously at this point. He obtained his ammunition and was given the mission of protecting the rear of the storehouse. He held his position throughout the night. The following morning the enemy attack was resumed. Cpl. Kelly took a position at an open window of the storehouse. One machine gunner had been killed at this position and several other soldiers wounded. Cpl. Kelly delivered continuous aimed and effective fire upon the enemy with his automatic rifle until the weapon locked from overheating. Finding another automatic rifle, he again directed effective fire upon the enemy until this weapon also locked. At this critical point, with the enemy threatening to overrun the position, Cpl. Kelly picked up 60mm. mortar shells, pulled the safety pins, and used the shells as grenades, killing at least 5 of the enemy. When it became imperative that the house be evacuated, Cpl. Kelly, despite his sergeant's injunctions, volunteered to hold the position until the remainder of the detachment could withdraw. As the detachment moved out, Cpl. Kelly was observed deliberately loading and firing a rocket launcher from the window. He was successful in covering the withdrawal of the unit, and later in joining his own organization. Cpl. Kelly's fighting determination and intrepidity in battle exemplify the highest traditions of the U.S. Armed Forces."
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Hey, you're back.
:huh
Indeed ;)
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Holy geez. This guy is your perfect example of military personnel.
Not bad for a soldier. ;) Hehe, just breakin' balls.
"Kelly's official Medal of Honor citation reads:
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of life above and beyond the call of duty. On 13 September 1943, near Altavilla, Italy, Cpl. Kelly voluntarily joined a patrol which located and neutralized enemy machine gun positions. After this hazardous duty he volunteered to establish contact with a battalion of U.S. infantry which was believed to be located on Hill 315, a mile distant. He traveled over a route commanded by enemy observation and under sniper, mortar, and artillery fire; and later he returned with the correct information that the enemy occupied Hill 315 in organized positions. Immediately thereafter Cpl. Kelly, again a volunteer patrol member, assisted materially in the destruction of 2 enemy machinegun nests under conditions requiring great skill and courage. Having effectively fired his weapon until all the ammunition was exhausted, he secured permission to obtain more at an ammunition dump. Arriving at the dump, which was located near a storehouse on the extreme flank of his regiment's position, Cpl. Kelly found that the Germans were attacking ferociously at this point. He obtained his ammunition and was given the mission of protecting the rear of the storehouse. He held his position throughout the night. The following morning the enemy attack was resumed. Cpl. Kelly took a position at an open window of the storehouse. One machine gunner had been killed at this position and several other soldiers wounded. Cpl. Kelly delivered continuous aimed and effective fire upon the enemy with his automatic rifle until the weapon locked from overheating. Finding another automatic rifle, he again directed effective fire upon the enemy until this weapon also locked. At this critical point, with the enemy threatening to overrun the position, Cpl. Kelly picked up 60mm. mortar shells, pulled the safety pins, and used the shells as grenades, killing at least 5 of the enemy. When it became imperative that the house be evacuated, Cpl. Kelly, despite his sergeant's injunctions, volunteered to hold the position until the remainder of the detachment could withdraw. As the detachment moved out, Cpl. Kelly was observed deliberately loading and firing a rocket launcher from the window. He was successful in covering the withdrawal of the unit, and later in joining his own organization. Cpl. Kelly's fighting determination and intrepidity in battle exemplify the highest traditions of the U.S. Armed Forces."
I read that story with great interest. <S> Kelly.
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Must be that slapping it down somehow arms the fuse for the explosive and not the propellent.
Yes.
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Do you know how a mortar shell is launch from the tube? That should answer your question.
+1 just about to say that myself
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(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/303631_311280905631817_616161230_n.jpg)
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Read up about his post-war life earlier today....makes me sad.
:salute
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Hey, you're back.
:huh
He's been for a while.
The fuse, yes. The propellant charge, not so much.
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ie: in safe position with safety wire removed, the propellant will not ignite, but the warhead becomes armed...which enables it to explode on impact. :salute
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Holy geez. This guy is your perfect example of military personnel.
Not bad for a soldier. ;) Hehe, just breakin' balls.
"Kelly's official Medal of Honor citation reads:
(http://militarytimes.com/citations-medals-awards/images/recipients/390.jpg)
Charles E. Kelly
Date of birth: September 23, 1920
Date of death: January 11, 1985
Burial Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Place of Birth: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Home of record: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Known affectionately to the press as "Commando Kelly," Charles Kelly came from a Pittsburgh barrio where he was a street gangster and delinquent. In early days of training he went AWOL, but was convinced by neighborhood police to voluntarily return to duty. From that point on he became one of the legendary heroes of World War II.
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it does work. however it takes a lot of strength to throw it as far as it happened in saving private ryan.
semp
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There is a scene in Private Ryan where Vin Deisal gets shot and eventually dies.
Anyone know if that is accurate, or just Hollywood. Did Vin Deisal really die?
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There is a scene in Private Ryan where Vin Deisal gets shot and eventually dies.
Anyone know if that is accurate, or just Hollywood. Did Vin Deisal really die?
vin deisal wasnt in saving private ryan.
semp
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There is a scene in Private Ryan where Vin Deisal gets shot and eventually dies.
Anyone know if that is accurate, or just Hollywood. Did Vin Deisal really die?
LOL :rofl
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vin deisal wasnt in saving private ryan.
semp
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004874/
Scroll down to the bottom of the filmography section 1998
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There is a scene in Private Ryan where Vin Deisal gets shot and eventually dies.
Anyone know if that is accurate, or just Hollywood. Did Vin Deisal really die?
:noid
Commonly (and jokingly) referred to as "the best scene in Saving Private Ryan", Vin Diesel's character is shot by a sniper and dies. Because no one I know likes Vin Diesel, as a person or an actor.
The best scene in the movie is of course the final scene.
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You actually know someone who knows Vin Diesel personally?
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:noid
Commonly (and jokingly) referred to as "the best scene in Saving Private Ryan", Vin Diesel's character is shot by a sniper and dies. Because no one I know likes Vin Diesel, as a person or an actor.
The best scene in the movie is of course the final scene.
I like Vin Diesel as an actor. But then again I'm nobody.
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004874/
Scroll down to the bottom of the filmography section 1998
ya, check it again...it's Diesel, not Diesal. :neener:
http://vindiesel.com/
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You actually know someone who knows Vin Diesel personally?
Yeah. I have some pretty decent ties to the entertainment business.
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:noid
Commonly (and jokingly) referred to as "the best scene in Saving Private Ryan", Vin Diesel's character is shot by a sniper and dies. Because no one I know likes Vin Diesel, as a person or an actor.
The best scene in the movie is of course the final scene.
I use the same joke refering to Bin Jovi being decapitated in U-571.
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Yeah. I have some pretty decent ties to the entertainment business.
That's pretty cool.
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ya, check it again...it's Diesel, not Diesal. :neener:
http://vindiesel.com/
Yeah I know.
I didn't realize semp was making a joke.
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In that Wiki piece.... It's a Fuze, not a Fuse.
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In the context of explosives, "fuze" is US dialect for "fuse" in the English language.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fuse
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There is a scene in Private Ryan where Vin Deisal gets shot and eventually dies.
Anyone know if that is accurate, or just Hollywood. Did Vin Deisal really die?
Vin Diesel is immortal & cannot die.... :noid
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In the context of explosives, "fuze" is US dialect for "fuse" in the English language.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fuse
Fuze is the correct English term. American companies that design and manufacture fuzes, spell it with a Z. Granted, some Euro companies translate to Fuse (Zaugg being one) in their literature. However, Zaugg marks the devices as a Fuze when sold to US defense contractors.
My latest design was presented to the 56th Annual Fuze Conference in Baltimore 5 weeks ago.
http://www.ndia.org/meetings/2560/Pages/default.aspx (http://www.ndia.org/meetings/2560/Pages/default.aspx)
The abstract...
http://proceedings.ndia.org/2560/13661.pdf (http://proceedings.ndia.org/2560/13661.pdf)
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Umm...
fuse, also spelled Fuze, in explosives technology, device for firing explosives in blasting operations, in fireworks, and in military projectiles.
The United States and some other military forces have adopted the “z” spelling for the device in ordnance munitions...
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/222764/fuse
It's an American dialect. "Z" is not used by the British.
Safety fuse L1A3 is the standard British Army safety fuse for the initiation of plain detonators, L1A1 and commercial No.8 (Plain).
http://www.mondial-defence.com/images/PDF_Data_Sheets/Safety%20Fuse%20L1A3.pdf
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Umm...
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/222764/fuse
It's an American dialect. "Z" is not used by the British.
http://www.mondial-defence.com/images/PDF_Data_Sheets/Safety%20Fuse%20L1A3.pdf
Blah, blah, blah...
GScholz, you would argue with God about your mortality. You would, however, be just as dead.
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Get over yourself already.
In that Wiki piece.... It's a Fuze, not a Fuse.
It's a fuse... or if you prefer, a fuze. No need to correct any wiki article.
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Get over yourself already.
It's a fuse... or if you prefer, a fuze. No need to correct any wiki article.
It was a US mortar round... Hence, Fuze... You haven't changed, still obtuse.
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I am confuzed... :huh
Coogan
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It was a US mortar round... Hence, Fuze... You haven't changed, still obtuse.
Nice personal attack. It was obviously not a US citizen who wrote the wiki article. No one outside the US feels obligated to use Americanisms when writing English or any other language, even when describing US made equipment. Americanisms like "aluminum" are usually frowned upon outside the US.
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There is a scene in Private Ryan where they take the 60-mm mortar shell and strike the tail against a surface to arm it, then throw it like a grenade.
Anyone know if that is accurate, or just Hollywood. Could/can mortar shells be used like that?
As a former Mortarman in the Army - Yes it's accurately done.
:cheers: Oz
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vin deisal wasnt in saving private ryan.
semp
He was.
He got hit by the Sniper in the scene where little girl is handed down to him by her father.
He bled out in the street.
:cheers: Oz
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Fuze is the correct English term. American companies that design and manufacture fuzes, spell it with a Z. Granted, some Euro companies translate to Fuse (Zaugg being one) in their literature. However, Zaugg marks the devices as a Fuze when sold to US defense contractors.
My latest design was presented to the 56th Annual Fuze Conference in Baltimore 5 weeks ago.
http://www.ndia.org/meetings/2560/Pages/default.aspx (http://www.ndia.org/meetings/2560/Pages/default.aspx)
The abstract...
http://proceedings.ndia.org/2560/13661.pdf (http://proceedings.ndia.org/2560/13661.pdf)
WTG :aok :salute
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9uGkbtxHk&feature=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9uGkbtxHk&feature=player_detailpage) yes this is Vin D
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Nice personal attack.
How many times have you been handed PNG status? It's not an attack, merely an observation of established fact.
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A comment directed at my person rather than the discussion at hand is a personal attack regardless of whether it is based in fact or nor. I could make many observations about your person, but they would be personal attacks and irrelevant to the discussion. I would however politely suggest that in the future you should refrain from trying to pedantically correct the spelling of an international online encyclopedia.
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Fuze? Fuse? Who cares - were not here to graduate with an english major
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Exactly :aok
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Fuse, fuze who the eff cares. I can't tell. All I know was that when I was trained on the 60mm mortar in the Irish army. We were told you could do that.
But I hate to think of the situation where it's needed. :O
But the big no no was to drop another mortar shell into the tube when the first one misfired. Just after we finished training, somebody did just that and blew themselves up. :eek: As a result there was a moratorium on mortar firing and I never got to fire a live mortar.
We were not happy with those poor dead guys. Soldiers can be so brutal.
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I dated a British gal for a while. Got sick of having my "Countryfied Grammar" criticized every day. Some Europeans are so Uppity about English, as if we have to say/spell it their way or is wrong. We speak American English, not British, get over yourselves already....you're just not that special. :neener: :ahand
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Fuse, fuze who the eff cares. I can't tell. All I know was that when I was trained on the 60mm mortar in the Irish army. We were told you could do that.
But I hate to think of the situation where it's needed. :O
But the big no no was to drop another mortar shell into the tube when the first one misfired. Just after we finished training, somebody did just that and blew themselves up. :eek: As a result there was a moratorium on mortar firing and I never got to fire a live mortar.
We were not happy with those poor dead guys. Soldiers can be so brutal.
Ouch! That's the same reason you don't load pointed bullets into a tube feed magazine in a big magnum rifle. Couldn't they make flat tip or soft tip motors? :huh
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No doubt they could and maybe there is. But the mortar is like any military weapon. You can kill yourself just as easily as you can kill the enemy, more easily in fact. Like pulling the pin on a grenade and dropping it at your feet or throwing the pin. I actually saw that almost happen once. Luckily it was a drill grenade. But he got yelled at just the same.
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I dated a British gal for a while. Got sick of having my "Countryfied Grammar" criticized every day. Some Europeans are so Uppity about English, as if we have to say/spell it their way or is wrong. We speak American English, not British, get over yourselves already....you're just not that special. :neener: :ahand
I believe Widewing speaks American English. Why he wants to correct something written in British standard English, I don't know.
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I am confuzed... :huh
Coogan
Tomatoe/Tomata
Point is mute, you're talking about American English vs. Britanian on an American Forum.
Scholz, what flys better in Norway:
-A lead baloon.
-A french national interupting a conversation in Dutch, on a Norde's forum, with steadfast persistance on the use of proper gramatical German for the entirety of the forum conversation.
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Tomatoe/Tomata
Point is mute
Moot
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Why does every thread need people swinging their E-d!ck$ around?
Face it - the little ones you have in real life will not be made up for by being "God of the Forum".
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Have a decent conversation with each other or go play AH. If you're mad or dumb enough to argue on the forum, you're not playing enough AH.
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Moot
Might be mute too...I don't hear anything... :rofl
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Sorry to interrupt another fine argument, but I was just wondering why the OP wanted to know this, is it to confirm the authenticity of the move or did he find a crate of mortar rounds but no mortar?
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Scholz, what flys better in Norway:
-A lead baloon.
-A french national interupting a conversation in Dutch, on a Norde's forum, with steadfast persistance on the use of proper gramatical German for the entirety of the forum conversation.
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I don't know. In which category would you place this:
In that Wiki piece.... It's a Fuze, not a Fuse.
Is Widewing the French, Dutch or Norde? You see there is only one person in this thread insisting on spelling something a certain way.
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I don't know. In which category would you place this:
Is Widewing the French, Dutch or Norde? You see there is only one person in this thread insisting on spelling something a certain way.
All you need to know is that Skyrim is for the Nords....
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Never seen one fired, but I gather it drops down the tube and hits a firing pin at the bottom, that activates a primer in the shell, that ignites the propellent.
What confuses me is first, if you are just hitting the tail against a flat surface, how would that activate the primer. And if the primer goes off, wouldn't that activate the propellent.
In other words, if slapping it down activated the primer, wouldn't it blast out of the persons hand when the propellent was ignited.
Must be that slapping it down somehow arms the fuse for the explosive and not the propellent.
The last thing I'd want is to ignite the primer on a mortar round I have in my hand...the holder would be badly burned when the propellant bags burned.
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All you need to know is that Skyrim is for the Nords....
So you're a Stormcloak eh?
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Might be mute too...I don't hear anything... :rofl
I think it's because this thread just crit the irony guage.
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Is it possible to easily remove the propellant charge or make it not fire?
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So you're a Stormcloak eh?
:lol :lol
I actually prefer to fight for the Imperials. I don't like how racist the Stormcloaks are but since I beat it on the Imperial side, I'm playing it for them atm. :uhoh
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You playing the stock game or are you running mods? I've been looking into the Skyrim modding scene and it looks very promising.
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Is it possible to easily remove the propellant charge or make it not fire?
From what I understood there are two safety pins. One for propellant, one for the warhead. You need to remove the warhead safety, then blast the bottom to activate it. Propellant will still detect it's not inside the tube and fail to go off.
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You playing the stock game or are you running mods? I've been looking into the Skyrim modding scene and it looks very promising.
mod that game :aok
"deadly dragons" I suggest
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Thanks, I'll look into it. I've been over at skyrimnexus and they have lots of awesome mods out. :aok
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:noid
Commonly (and jokingly) referred to as "the best scene in Saving Private Ryan", Vin Diesel's character is shot by a sniper and dies. Because no one I know likes Vin Diesel, as a person or an actor.
The best scene in the movie is of course the final scene.
Hmm I never realized people don't like Vin Diesel as an actor (or in real life although I have no reason to support or deny his personal likablity). I guess that makes the joke about it being the best scene relevant and funny.
For the record I think he was good in Saving Private Ryan.
My favorite scene: is the Normandy invasion.
My Favorite quote:
Upham: "But sir, It's just that, I haven't held a weapon since basic training."
Cpt Miller: "Did you fire the weapon in basic training? "
Upham: "Yes sir"
Cpt Miller: "Then get your gear."
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Yeah...idk why people dislike him.
My cousin is an ATL Falcon cheerleader. She met him through "The Rock". All the people she hangs with says they're both pretty kick bellybutton guys.
Laid back, like kids etc.