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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: pervert on June 22, 2012, 09:29:40 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B)
I've been strangely interested in jets recently! :) don't think a Mig vs Sabre arena would be to hard to get in game would it :banana: only 2 planes to model :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B)
I've been strangely interested in jets recently! :) don't think a Mig vs Sabre arena would be to hard to get in game would it :banana: only 2 planes to model :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhYVG_ZviL8&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhYVG_ZviL8&feature=plcp)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B)
I've been strangely interested in jets recently! :) don't think a Mig vs Sabre arena would be to hard to get in game would it :banana: only 2 planes to model :)
They look even better in the air. :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0XLmZNuYBo&feature=BFa&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B
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All about the MiGs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B)
I've been strangely interested in jets recently! :) don't think a Mig vs Sabre arena would be to hard to get in game would it :banana: only 2 planes to model :)
My bud Chris Fahey flies that Sabre as well... Chris is the guy with his arm and head in the engine inlet below....
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/28310_1381065170063_6294932_n.jpg)
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Adding the P-38, P-51 and a handfull of others and it would be a Korean arena. +1.
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Adding the P-38, P-51 and a handfull of others and it would be a Korean arena. +1.
I don't think the P-38 made it to Korea. The 51 and 47 did.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhYVG_ZviL8&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhYVG_ZviL8&feature=plcp)
Awesome vid... I'd settle for just some realistic looking clouds that are in there.
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I don't think the P-38 made it to Korea. The 51 and 47 did.
You sure about the P-47?
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I don't think the P-38 made it to Korea. The 51 and 47 did.
P-47 didn't.
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Skyraider
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P-47 didn't.
Very true... The USAF never officially provided a sound reason for not deploying P-47s, even though several hundred were in Air Guard units (as were the P-51s that were deployed). One retired general has stated that the spares inventory for the P-51 was more plentiful than that for the Thunderbolt. However, that was really a short term problem that could have been rectified quickly. Mustangs took heavy losses to ground fire, many of which were hits to the cooling system. They were eventually withdrawn from combat.
The aircraft the Chinese and North Korean troops feared the most was the AD Skyraider.... They called it the "Blue Plane", and some historians quote "Blue Death" as well.
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You sure about the P-47?
Not anymore. :D I thought it was there early on and then withdrawn in favor of the Mustang.
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Widewing your friend looks like he has a dream job :aok Even by todays standards I think the sabre is a very good looking modern plane hard to believe it was designed intially before the second world war ended! Some great vids posted btw! what game is that TB??
I am trying to find it on youtube but I ended up watching a documentary on youtube about a genius American engineer who designed a jet plane with afterburner in 1939!! The USAF didn't want a jet until they seen the me 262 and the sabre was the result of all this previous research! I cannot remember his name though :( I know he was responsible for the design of the superchargers on the 38s though?
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what game is that TB??
Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 + UP201 <ultra pack 201>
available for online at hyperlobby
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Mig 15 is seriously sexy and I would take one against a saber any day. As for jets, the Mig 21 is my all time favorate in terms of design followed/equal to the A6 in terms of aesthetically pleasing looks.
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Mig 15 is seriously sexy and I would take one against a saber any day. As for jets, the Mig 21 is my all time favorate in terms of design followed/equal to the A6 in terms of aesthetically pleasing looks.
MiG 25 (fox bat) is my favorite. But I wouldnt mind a korea map
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Mig 15 is seriously sexy and I would take one against a saber any day. As for jets, the Mig 21 is my all time favorate in terms of design followed/equal to the A6 in terms of aesthetically pleasing looks.
North American's F-86 was more sophisticated than the MiG. Radar lead computing gunsight, far better high Mach handling. All Sabres could out-turn the MiG, but the later hard-wing E models did so with greater margin. Sabre's could exceed Mach 1 in a shallow dive. The MiG-15 could not, and if the pilot tried, he'd likely kill himself. In terms of speed, the F-86 was faster. On the other hand, the MiG accelerated and climbed better, and had a higher ceiling. Yeager flew one brought over by a defector. He lauded the MiG. George Welch, F-86 lead test pilot and 16 kill ace, offered Yeager a challenge. Welch was in Japan at the time. Welch suggested he in an F-86E vs Yeager in the MiG-15bis. Yeager declined, claiming that the USAF would not allow it. Perhaps not... However, Welch needled him for quite some time.
Performance wasn't always enough... Seven Soviet MiG-15s attacked two F9F-5s sent out to investigate the MiGs approaching their carrier. The MiGs flew out of Soviet air space. A third F9F joined the fight. Net result? As many as 5 MiGs didn't get home. Gun camera films only confirm 3 downed. However, intercepted radio calls from the MiGs leans towards 5 not getting home. Two apparently had to ditch due to damage. One F9F took a couple of 23mm hits, but landed back aboard its carrier without incident. That was the one and only time Soviet MiGs seriously challenged Navy fighters off of North Korea. The Russians ran an extensive SAR for two days before they quit looking for their missing pilots.
All of this is well documented in the carrier's after action report, as well as the pilot's "encounter" report. All three pilots were flown to Japan for debriefing. The DOD sat on the story for years, figuring that public knowledge of the incident would force Truman to act in response to the provocation. The Russians denied any such encounter, naturally of course. A recent review of Russian records does show that 5 aircraft were stricken from the MiG units records that same week.
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Good read WW :aok
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Yeager beat the mig with the Sabre, switched places, and beat the Sabre with the mig.
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Yeager beat the mig with the Sabre, switched places, and beat the Sabre with the mig.
I've heard that too
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All Sabres could out-turn the MiG, but the later hard-wing E models did so with greater margin.
The F86F which arrived in 1952 could out-turn and outrun the MiG15bis. However, for most of the war, it was the MiG that enjoyed the performance advantage. The result of the MiG's poor stall characteristics was that pilots were uneasy about pushing the aircraft to the limit and hence the Sabre pilot had the edge in a turning contest.
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An interesting fact is that while the Sabre definitively held the K/D advantage in the Korean War it was a Soviet pilot who became the top scoring ace. Lt. Col. Bruce Hinton remembers his encounter with this ace they knew as "Casey Jones":
"This MiG driver had been good, VERY GOOD. He had been waiting above the engagements between the MiGs and the F-86s. It was a well-known tactic that was commonly used by a single MiG pilot, that we referred to as CASEY JONES. Ol' Casey was an exceptional pilot, and definitely not an Oriental. His normal procedure was to hit fast from a high perch, diving down on any F-86 that was isolated from the on-going air battle, quite similar to a tactic used by von Richthofen in The Great War."
"Casey Jones" was Nikolai Vasilievich Sutyagin, a member of the 17th IAP of the 303rd IAD of the Voyenno Vozdushnye Sily, the Soviet Air Force. In that fight Glenn T. Eagleston, CO of the 4th Fighter Wing, became the 4th aerial victory of Kapetan Nikolai Sutyagin, who had shot down a Sabre on June 19 1951 and two more on June 22. The score of that outstanding Russian pilot kept rising, to 21 kills, which made him the Top Ace of the Korean War.
It seems alt-monkeys are in every war.
More from Bruce Hinton here: http://sabre-pilots.org/classics/v32casey.htm
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Yeager beat the mig with the Sabre, switched places, and beat the Sabre with the mig.
Source?
Opposing pilot?
Talk, especially the unsubstantiated variety, is quite cheap.
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An interesting fact is that while the Sabre definitively held the K/D advantage in the Korean War it was a Soviet pilot who became the top scoring ace. Lt. Col. Bruce Hinton remembers his encounter with this ace they knew as "Casey Jones":
"This MiG driver had been good, VERY GOOD. He had been waiting above the engagements between the MiGs and the F-86s. It was a well-known tactic that was commonly used by a single MiG pilot, that we referred to as CASEY JONES. Ol' Casey was an exceptional pilot, and definitely not an Oriental. His normal procedure was to hit fast from a high perch, diving down on any F-86 that was isolated from the on-going air battle, quite similar to a tactic used by von Richthofen in The Great War."
"Casey Jones" was Nikolai Vasilievich Sutyagin, a member of the 17th IAP of the 303rd IAD of the Voyenno Vozdushnye Sily, the Soviet Air Force. In that fight Glenn T. Eagleston, CO of the 4th Fighter Wing, became the 4th aerial victory of Kapetan Nikolai Sutyagin, who had shot down a Sabre on June 19 1951 and two more on June 22. The score of that outstanding Russian pilot kept rising, to 21 kills, which made him the Top Ace of the Korean War.
It seems alt-monkeys are in every war.
More from Bruce Hinton here: http://sabre-pilots.org/classics/v32casey.htm
Uh, Eagleston returned to base and landed, albeit wheels up, so there was no victory in that case. Read the last two paragraphs of that article.
Seems "Casey Jones" was good when he had every advantage, but not so good when he didn't.
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An aerial victory is the destruction of an enemy plane, regardless of whether the enemy pilot lives, dies, jumps, ditches or crash lands at his home base. AH rules don't apply in the real world.
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The USAF even consider "manoeuver kills" and "fuel kills" where no shots are fired, but the enemy aircraft is destroyed as a result of your actions (augers while fighting you, running out of gas trying to evade you, etc.).
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Seems "Casey Jones" was good when he had every advantage, but not so good when he didn't.
"Good" is very subjective. In AH terms a "good pilot" is probably one who can take on multiple cons and furball like a Greek god. In real life a good fighter pilot is one that secures all possible advantages to make the fight as unfair as possible. Preferably the enemy should never know what hit him. Sutyagin would have been a fool not to take advantage of his MiG's higher service ceiling and choosing his fights.
After all it is the first rule of Dicta Boelcke.
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Source?
Opposing pilot?
Talk, especially the unsubstantiated variety, is quite cheap.
Source: General Albert Boyd
Opposing pilot: No idea......he never stepped forward to identify himself.
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The USAF even consider "manoeuver kills" and "fuel kills" where no shots are fired, but the enemy aircraft is destroyed as a result of your actions (augers while fighting you, running out of gas trying to evade you, etc.).
When did the USAF standardize the criteria? During WW2 it was very common for each USAAF group to have their own criteria for what was a "kill".
ack-ack
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An aerial victory is the destruction of an enemy plane, regardless of whether the enemy pilot lives, dies, jumps, ditches or crash lands at his home base. AH rules don't apply in the real world.
Nonsense... You can't claim a kill if the plane flies away and returns to base. Damaged? Yes. Then again, Soviets awarded kills if one saw an American and managed to get home alive. Now wait GPutz, we all know that's an exaggeration, so save your angst for the next time you find yourself standing at a urinal in a crowded restroom.
Anyway, compare total documented F-86 losses to Soviet claims for yourself. It's ludicrous. Typical Soviet politics... Produce results or else.. Gun decking the paperwork? Not the Soviets!
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Opposing pilot?
It wasn't Welch... Yeager wouldn't tangle with Welch, certainly not when everyone would be watching. Within the flight test community, Yeager was considered to be a better test pilot than Welch, who lacked the discipline Yeager brought. However, that same community also recognized that Welch was an extremely talented fighter pilot. Welch and Yeager were friends, of a sort. Welch, typical of his over-agressive personality was killed in the break-up of an F-100A during a demonstration flight. That morning, Yeager had advised Welch not to do the Mach 1, 7g+ maneuver on the flight card. Yeager thought that the short-tailed A model was too unstable along its longitudinal axis to push that hard in the upper right hand corner of the envelope. Welch dismissed Yeager's advice as overly cautious and was dead two hours later....
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It wasn't Welch... Yeager wouldn't tangle with Welch, certainly not when everyone would be watching. Within the flight test community, Yeager was considered to be a better test pilot than Welch, who lacked the discipline Yeager brought. However, that same community also recognized that Welch was an extremely talented fighter pilot. Welch and Yeager were friends, of a sort. Welch, typical of his over-agressive personality was killed in the break-up of an F-100A during a demonstration flight. That morning, Yeager had advised Welch not to do the Mach 1, 7g+ maneuver on the flight card. Yeager thought that the short-tailed A model was too unstable along its longitudinal axis to push that hard in the upper right hand corner of the envelope. Welch dismissed Yeager's advice as overly cautious and was dead two hours later....
That's interesting info, thanks!
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When did the USAF standardize the criteria? During WW2 it was very common for each USAAF group to have their own criteria for what was a "kill".
ack-ack
I don't know if it has ever been standardized. The USAF do however consider "maneuver kills" and "fuel kills" for awarding aerial victories. For example on January 17 1991 Captain James Denton and Captain Brent Brandon were acknowledged a kill against an Iraqi Dassault Mirage F1, which they managed to maneuver into the ground, making it the first and only EF-111 to achieve an aerial victory over another aircraft.
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Nonsense... You can't claim a kill if the plane flies away and returns to base. Damaged? Yes. Then again, Soviets awarded kills if one saw an American and managed to get home alive. Now wait GPutz, we all know that's an exaggeration, so save your angst for the next time you find yourself standing at a urinal in a crowded restroom.
Anyway, compare total documented F-86 losses to Soviet claims for yourself. It's ludicrous. Typical Soviet politics... Produce results or else.. Gun decking the paperwork? Not the Soviets!
I see your personal attacks are up to your usual class, toilet references and all. The Soviets probably had guncam footage of a shot up F-86 burning and awarded a victory. The F-86 was surely a write-off after all that battle damage and crash landing; it was a miracle it made it back to base at all. It's all about the loss of the aircraft. If it was repaired and put back into action Sutyagin's claim would be a case of honest overclaiming. In any case I don't think the Soviets much cared what you or any other American/UN thought of their scoring system.
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I see your personal attacks are up to your usual class, toilet references and all. The Soviets probably had guncam footage of a shot up F-86 burning and awarded a victory. The F-86 was surely a write-off after all that battle damage and crash landing; it was a miracle it made it back to base at all. It's all about the loss of the aircraft. If it was repaired and put back into action Sutyagin's claim would be a case of honest overclaiming. In any case I don't think the Soviets much cared what you or any other American/UN thought of their scoring system.
If it does not hit the ground out of control, it was not shot down. It was damaged. It was flown to a friendly base and set down on the runway in control of the pilot, who, by the way, walked away uninjured.
Of course the Russians didn't care what anyone else thought about their propaganda policy.
The fact is, despite having every advantage, the Russian hot shot couldn't seal the deal and get the job done. Calling into serious question the other 20 he claimed.
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Source: General Albert Boyd
Opposing pilot: No idea......he never stepped forward to identify himself.
Pretty much makes the whole thing pointless. There is no way to determine the ability of the pilot, and nothing to brag about.
Sounds a lot like someone trying to pump up Yeager's ego for him, or help him do it himself.
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If it does not hit the ground out of control, it was not shot down. It was damaged. It was flown to a friendly base and set down on the runway in control of the pilot, who, by the way, walked away uninjured.
Is that your personal definition?
"Shot down" is not the only way to achieve an "aerial victory". During the Great War an aerial victory could even include the enemy bowing out, saluting the victor and leaving the battlefield unharmed. And even today an unarmed plane like the EF-111 can score an "aerial victory" without firing a shot. In WWII US and RAF fighters would count ditched enemy aircraft as killed, even if most of them were later recovered and repaired by the Germans; in 1944 even stationary aircraft strafed on the ground were counted as kills, although this practice was later retracted.
After the Korean War communist bloc nations claimed to have destroyed 1,106 UN aircraft in total. The UN claims to have lost 1,466 aircraft to all causes. I don't see any evidence of gross overclaiming by the Reds.
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Is that your personal definition?
No, it's pretty much the most widely accepted definition, and has been for years.
See, there are various classifications, such as "damaged", "possible", and "probable". You don't get actual credit for those, you get those classifications. A confirmed victory isn't added to your record, and you don't paint it on your plane, either. Well, at least you don't if you're truly honest.
Of course, you can make all the claims you so desire. I'm sure you will.
I suppose the Russian hot shot can be forgiven for his mistaken claim. After all, since the planes he was accustomed to flying would not withstand the damage he felt he inflicted on the F-86, he probably figured he'd scored a victory. He probably also figured that since he wasn't good enough to fly a cripple home, his opponent wasn't either. Besides, he was too busy trying to save his own hide to see whether or not his enemy crashed, so all he had was an assumption.
Then again, he obviously felt he needed to finish that F-86, but wasn't able to because he was too busy trying to keep his hide intact, so maybe he did know he didn't score a verified victory, but decided to claim it anyway.
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See, there are various classifications, such as "damaged", "possible", and "probable". You don't get actual credit for those, you get those classifications. A confirmed victory isn't added to your record, and you don't paint it on your plane, either. Well, at least you don't if you're truly honest.
So those are US classifications? You see other nations don't play by those rules. The RAF share victories if more than one pilot is involved. The Russians did so too, and in some units victories were only awarded to the squadron, not the individual. The Luftwaffe only gave a kill to one pilot; if there were more than one pilot involved and they couldn't work out who got the kill they awarded the victory to the Staffeln and no individual pilot got it. You can no more expect the Soviets to adhere to your scoring system than they can expect you to adhere to theirs.
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Pretty much makes the whole thing pointless. There is no way to determine the ability of the pilot, and nothing to brag about.
Sounds a lot like someone trying to pump up Yeager's ego for him, or help him do it himself.
The point is that a good pilot in a mig could overwhelm a f86.
It happened.
Get over it.
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The point is that a good pilot in a mig could overwhelm a f86.
It happened.
Get over it.
Who said it couldn't?
Get over yourself.
The whole thing is pointless when you can't even produce any sort of identification of the opposing pilot. At that point, it is completely impossible to determine the competency of the opposition. The entire story proves absolutely nothing. You can't even provide proof that the opposition was not some green kid fresh out of flight school.
What you said is about the same thing as saying that Ali put on blue trunks and gloves, beat some no name kid in the local boxing gym wearing red trunks and gloves, then put on the red trunks, gave the kid the blue trunks, and beat him again. Stunning. :rolleyes:
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Since you are determined to ignore data from a guy who flew both planes, then I feel it is your job to find out the person's name.
HINT: He was a current F86 Lt. Col. who flew combat missions vs the mig in korea.
How bad could have he been.
From your posting on this thread, I feel you have a petty axe to grind vs yeager and this is what is making it impossible to believe.
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It happened.
Since you are determined to ignore data from a guy who flew both planes, then I feel it is your job to find out the person's name.
Personally, I feel you have an axe to grind vs yeager and this is what is clouding your judgement.
You did not bring "data". What you did is provide an unsubstantiated and incomplete anecdote, completely void of supporting evidence. There is no "data" to ignore. You have none.
You feel it is my job to verify your story? Seriously? You bring completely unverified drivel to the discussion, and then demand someone else prove it did not happen? :huh
Again, bring your source, verified, and the name of the opposing pilot, or it simply did not happen and does not mean anything.
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LOL......I already know how this will end and I figured you would quietly backpedal.........but it seems you have trouble believing the truth as recorded by the people who were there.
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LOL......I already know how this will end but I figured you would quietly backpedal.
Gets popcorn.
Back pedal?
You made the claim. You provided no source, and no name for the opposing pilot.
The only one backpedaling here is you. You refuse to provide a source for your claim.
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Source: Kum-Sok No (the korean pilot who defected with his mig) from his book.
(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm101983304/mig-15-freedom-j-roger-osterholm-paperback-cover-art.jpg)
http://books.google.com/books?id=3xPQb28PJ3MC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=yeager+mig&source=bl&ots=FntFlBevWF&sig=ySMn8cm8UwNsvXj2HX_bt6fONkE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5fHpT-6rA4XO9QTEsdDqBA&ved=0CGAQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=yeager%20mig&f=false
I'm pretty sure Virgil would only accept the account if Yeager's opponent were Hartmann or Galland.
I wonder what Virgil would say if I claimed my dad killed a mig in air to air combat?
Would he claim the mig pilot was a scrub?...........that it didn't happen?.....etc?
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Source: Kum-Sok No (the korean pilot who defected with his mig) from his book.
(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm101983304/mig-15-freedom-j-roger-osterholm-paperback-cover-art.jpg)
http://books.google.com/books?id=3xPQb28PJ3MC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=yeager+mig&source=bl&ots=FntFlBevWF&sig=ySMn8cm8UwNsvXj2HX_bt6fONkE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5fHpT-6rA4XO9QTEsdDqBA&ved=0CGAQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=yeager%20mig&f=false
I'm pretty sure Virgil would only accept the account if Yeager's opponent were Hartmann or Galland.
I wonder what Virgil would say if I claimed my dad killed a mig in air to air combat?
Would he claim the mig pilot was a scrub?...........that it didn't happen?.....etc?
Pretty much confirms what I said. Even Yeager says "the pilot with the most experience is going to going to whip your ***", when explaining how he beat his opponent in both planes. See page 163 of your preview.
In other words, thanks for proving my point. It was a matter of Yeager having more experience, nothing more, nothing less, even according to Yeager.
As to any other claim you might make, I'd take it with a salt block, as opposed to a grain of salt. It only took 1/2 dozen tries to get you to quote your "source", and there is still no actual record of the name of the opposing pilot.
As to Yeager, I'm ambivalent, but don't let that confuse you in your assumptions.
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Yeager beat the mig with the Sabre, switched places, and beat the Sabre with the mig.
I implied it's the pilot in this post......that you disagreed with but now agree with.
Brilliant.
LOL at your block of salt.......my dad does have a guns kill of a mig.
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My bud Chris Fahey flies that Sabre as well... Chris is the guy with his arm and head in the engine inlet below....
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/28310_1381065170063_6294932_n.jpg)
They had an excellent demonstration this year at March ARB and the Chino Planes of Fame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUM6qJnNsWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO1t4Q-yxq4
Nothing screams "chewing up air while pissin' gas" better than that Sabre during low passes. The bit he did with the Mig-15 was really great (2nd video).
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I implied it's the pilot in this post......that you disagreed with but now agree with.
Brilliant.
LOL at your block of salt.......my dad does have a guns kill of a mig.
You did not imply anything.
Congratulations to your dad, he's obviously a better and smarter man than you.
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Yeager beat the mig with the Sabre, switched places, and beat the Sabre with the mig.
Pretty simple to glean from this post quoted....unless you missed it in your zeal to skewer.
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You did not imply anything.
Congratulations to your dad, he's obviously a better and smarter man than you.
What a nice guy :rolleyes:
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I don't think the P-38 made it to Korea. The 51 and 47 did.
The P-38 was retired in 1949 (as far as the United States goes, that is)
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(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/292187_385487968170560_1563102321_n.jpg)
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Beautiful picture.
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Beautiful picture.
It is, isn't it? It's a Gus MCrea photo.
More photos from Chris Fahey (alternately flies the Sabre and the MiG for the Planes of Fame Museum).
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427484_10150479929554649_2039726088_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/378526_10150352010134649_799272639_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/381073_10150308879919649_330559736_n.jpg)
Chris on the left...
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/307880_2655140456982_821006671_n.jpg)
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/220484_1857535201516_978934_o.jpg)
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/175462_1662145556897_8088372_o.jpg)
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/175462_1662145516896_56507_o.jpg)
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/172654_1662118676225_2605891_o.jpg)
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/176270_1662108915981_2351626_o.jpg)
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Back in 1978-79 I got to watch the KAF fly these daily at Kunsan Korea. beautiful plane. The KAF painted them OD green.
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I don't think the P-38 made it to Korea. The 51 and 47 did.
I know the Corsair made it in Korea, did the SB2C Helldiver make it too?
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Wide,
Some beautiful pix! I noticed in 1 of the pix something I've never recalled seeing before. On the Vstab it looks like there are a couple of tabs,are these the trim tabs?
Like I said I've never noticed these before and I'm currious to their function.
:salute
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cool planes but they are missing that thing in the front...you know...
that thing that spins around really really fast..... :headscratch:
:D
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They put a bunch of 'em in that hole in the nose... :D
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They put a bunch of 'em in that hole in the nose... :D
ahhh thats what that is for ...storage :huh
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F-86 looks like a pure fighter, its elegant design just is simply amazing.
Mig-15, dunno I just see it as something slapped together on a drunken vodka spree and said "lets see if it flies"
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did the SB2C Helldiver make it too?
No.
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F-86 looks like a pure fighter, its elegant design just is simply amazing.
Mig-15, dunno I just see it as something slapped together on a drunken vodka spree and said "lets see if it flies"
They both look like a flying tube. smurfy.
Best of WW2: (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-85X8L585Olc/ToMft1huutI/AAAAAAAAAOo/aRD7qUHr_No/s1600/me262_kp.jpg)
Best of Korea: (http://www.aviation-history.com/boeing/b47-1.jpg)
Best of Vietnam: (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g06KlB5BPT4/T-M9sk5YTPI/AAAAAAAAtZI/aPVm5wsXF8I/s1600/MiG%2B21.jpg)
Best of 1990s: (http://sirviper.com/fighters/mig-29/a/mig-29a_10.jpg)
Best of Today: (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s37/images/img7.jpg)
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They both look like a flying tube. smurfy.
Best of Korea: (http://www.aviation-history.com/boeing/b47-1.jpg)
B-47 never saw any combat action in Korea or any other conflict. Do a little research before hitting the "post" button.
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Su-47 is an experimental plane. It's still good looking. B-47 was built and served during the Korean War time period. Thanks for your input Mr.Head. Or should I call you by your first name? Dick?
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While I agree that the Me262 is a good looking airplane, there are dozens of piston engined aircraft from WWII that look even better. Among WWII jets it is a close run as all three are pretty good looking.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fs8gsYKkIk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fs8gsYKkIk)
I know its Dogfights but love hearing the story from Risner :rock
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk9JAvVxcA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLABDBF8CF7168D51B)
I've been strangely interested in jets recently! :) don't think a Mig vs Sabre arena would be to hard to get in game would it :banana: only 2 planes to model :)
there are plenty of Korean Era fighters besides the Mig and Sabre. So dont worry about the plane selection.