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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tracerfi on June 23, 2012, 09:46:03 AM
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Is this a bad idea for HTC to do this Later on for a new arena as in a post I saw earlier 4 new planes P80 Shooting Star,F86 Sabre Mig 15 and Mig 17
(Post Had nothing to do with this idea)
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:furious :bhead :rolleyes: :bolt:
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:furious :bhead :rolleyes: :bolt:
WTF is that suppose to mean
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I'm gunna come out of my lurking status just to let you know you should use the search function. People have been asking for this since I started playing. Not gunna happen.
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I'm gunna come out of my lurking status just to let you know you should use the search function. People have been asking for this since I started playing. Not gunna happen.
OOOOOOKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can't say "not gunna happen". We do have a WWI arena and I recall some saying that wasn't going to happen either. A Korean Arena is a valid request as it doesn't go into missiles and is still gun based. I would really like to see a Korean War Arena HOWEVER, long after we've had all but the rarest planes in the WW2 arena and probably a solid line in the WW1 arena.
+1 for the Korean War Arena, but not for a GOOD long time. :aok
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Yes, because we need another one plane arena that doesn't get used.....
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Yes, because we need another one plane arena that doesn't get used.....
WWI does get used we just need something to make it more appealing
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+1
I'm always in for a Korean Arena. Haven't been playing AHII recently because my stick broke :/ but I'm saving to buy the Thrustmaster A-10 HOTAS... as soon as the next update comes, I'll order it.... if we get a Korea Arena, I'll upgrade my whole comp.....
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I just don't understand what is so appealing about the idea of an F-86 vs F-86 arena.
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Yes, because we need another one plane arena that doesn't get used.....
It would get used.
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I would use it, and fly the MIG15 most of the time too.
I have no idea if it would work, or when a good time would be to introduce it, or if enough folks would populate it to make it viable, I just play here.
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it wont get used. just like it didnt get used in aw. just like ww1 arena doesnt get used. or the early war or mid war, ava, etc.. are hardly used. most players prefer the late war ww2 arena.
semp
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it wont get used. just like it didnt get used in aw. just like ww1 arena doesnt get used. or the early war or mid war, ava, etc.. are hardly used. most players prefer the late war ww2 arena.
semp
I wold have to agree with Karnak and semp on this one.
Doesn't sound like something I would fly in. I'm in it for the WW2 stuff :rock
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No one is going to mention the Mig-17 is post Korea?
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A korean war arena would have gotten 100 x times the use of the WW1 one has. It would get far more use then EWA and MWA put together. Remember we already have a lot of planes that were used in Korea, most of all early war. Maybe 4 new airplanes, a few adjustments on the ones we already have, and were off to Korea and MIG alley.
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A korean war arena would have gotten 100 x times the use of the WW1 one has. It would get far more use then EWA and MWA put together. Remember we already have a lot of planes that were used in Korea, most of all early war. Maybe 4 new airplanes, a few adjustments on the ones we already have, and were off to Korea and MIG alley.
Wherein about 80% of the players want to be heroes shooting down Commie MiG-15s in their F-86s causing anything that isn't an F-86 to be a hangar queen.
Disillusionment at the lack of Commie MiG-15s causes the arena to die.
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Wherein about 80% of the players want to be heroes shooting down Commie MiG-15s in their F-86s causing anything that isn't an F-86 to be a hangar queen.
Disillusionment at the lack of Commie MiG-15s causes the arena to die.
BBUUZZZZ KKIILLLL!!!
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Don't forget the P-80 and the F-7 Banshee. P-51H, latest model of the F4U. Did Commies have ubber Yaks flying around? This could be fun but marketing laws show too much, is too much. At least a dozen great birds to be made in late war WW2. I'd enjoy it but likely not a smart thing to do.
Boo
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BBUUZZZZ KKIILLLL!!!
Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side :D
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Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side :D
what does that mean
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Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side :D
Nope. I advocate for quite a bit of them. I think the P-61 would be a fun addition. I posted in support of the B-25J being added. I think an Allison engined P-51 would be a great addition, just not with cannons. I was happy that the B-29 won the vote and never argued against it nor bad mouthed the people who voted for it. I only argue against the A-26 because the advocates for the A-26 want to use it like a fighter based on the horrible flight modeling it had in Air Warrior. As an attack plane I think the A-26 would be a good addition, though likely a light perk. There are a great number of American aircraft I would vigorously and aggressively advocate be added to the game, but they are already in the game. The American planeset is, by far, the most complete and it limits the options for advocating to fill gaps for somebody like be who sees that as the first priority.
That doesn't blind me to the behavior of my fellow players though. The majority of the player base are conservative Americans who want to use American, or at least British, equipment. WWII also bring to the fray the German stuff, much of which to be honest is quite neat looking and carries an air of the elite. Even aspects of the Japanese have the elite. Add to that the fact that Germany and Japan are both close allies of the US now making it easier to put oneself in the place of a German or Japanese soldier. North Korea and China, to put it mildly, do not have any of this going for them and, worse, their ongoing Communist/Totalitarian governments make them inherently unacceptable/unlikable/uncool to Americans. This would, in my opinion, create an arena in which most players are in F-86s fighting other players in F-86s or, if it were set to be United Nations vs North Korea, most players in F-86s looking for, and ganging, the occasional MiG-15.
I could be wrong on that, but it seems pretty clear that is the direction it would take.
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Wherein about 80% of the players want to be heroes shooting down Commie MiG-15s in their F-86s causing anything that isn't an F-86 to be a hangar queen.
Disillusionment at the lack of Commie MiG-15s causes the arena to die.
Nope. The MIG-15 was to good and there are to many adults playing AH. If NK had the training asset pipeline we did, or even more of the experienced Russians flying them, we would have had a serious problem with the MIG-15. They may well have been the best matched adversarys, strengths and weaknesses, to ever have taken to the sky.
I'd fly the 15 thats for sure. And even if players didnt how would that be different then the arenas now anyway?
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Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side :D
He does shy away from Anything American, prefers british - but everyone has their "interests". I used to argue 24/7 with his ideas, but its really just preference, he's been around long enough I respect his opinions.
I shy away from anything Late war and beg for early war/midwar because frankly these were planes that were the workhorse of the war.
Take the LaGG-3 for example, it sucks against everything the Germans threw at it, however it was at the frontlines until the LA-5 started taking over.
Its nothing special, ugly looking bird thats slow, but its all the more reason to have it.
Beaufighter for example, nothing special but it was one of the leading ground attack aircraft for British/Aussie, and its twin engined! YAY!
As for Korean Arena, look at the WW1 arena - its dead - Korean war arena will last 2 weeks then be empty, if anything add the Jets to AVA arena and let people fly "Korean Theater" for a week.
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Nope. The MIG-15 was to good and there are to many adults playing AH. If NK had the training asset pipeline we did, or even more of the experienced Russians flying them, we would have had a serious problem with the MIG-15. They may well have been the best matched adversarys, strengths and weaknesses, to ever have taken to the sky.
I'd fly the 15 thats for sure.
Yes, some would, but they would be the outliers.
And even if players didnt how would that be different then the arenas now anyway?
There would be only two viable fighters as opposed to about fifty? The P-51D is leagues ahead in terms of usage, having higher usage than the #2 and #3 most used aircraft combined, having more usage than all Spitfires combined and despite that level of usage it still is responsible for less than 9% of the kills and deaths each tour.
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Yes, some would, but they would be the outliers.
There would be only two viable fighters as opposed to about fifty? The P-51D is leagues ahead in terms of usage, having higher usage than the #2 and #3 most used aircraft combined, having more usage than all Spitfires combined and despite that level of usage it still is responsible for less than 9% of the kills and deaths each tour.
Well there would have to be at least 4 new airframes modeled to start off with. Say the F-86, MIG-15, and say two attack birds. IL-10, A-26, TU-2 late model...ect Aircraft we already have, minus late model tweaks, would be Corsairs, 51, goons, B-29s, Seafires.....ect Many airframes could be modeled to see dual use in both arenas, like the IL-10, TU-2, Meteor, Firefly....ect The list of combat aircraft used in Korea isnt all that long. Tank-wise we already have two in LWA and the Stalin/Comet could see dual use. Even the Pershing.
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Well there would have to be at least 4 new airframes modeled to start off with. Say the F-86, MIG-15, and say two attack birds. IL-10, A-26, TU-2 late model...ect Aircraft we already have, minus late model tweaks, would be Corsairs, 51, goons, B-29s, Seafires.....ect Many airframes could be modeled to see dual use in both arenas, like the IL-10, TU-2, Meteor, Firefly....ect The list of combat aircraft used in Korea isnt all that long. Tank-wise we already have two in LWA and the Stalin/Comet could see dual use. Even the Pershing.
As I said, only two viable fighters, the F-86 and the MiG-15. Everything else is chaff.
(Can't speak to the others really, but I wouldn't call the needed changes to the Seafire "tweaks" as the difference between a Seafire Mk II and a Seafire F.47 are pretty extreme.)
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F86 is a sexy plane :aok
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F9F Panther & AD-1 Skyraider :aok
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You'd probably be better off asking for an early jets arena.
In an ideal world a Korean war arena you'd have a two country set up with all the late props and Korean era jets with folks being actually willing to fly the prop fighter bombers and straight wing jets. Where Karnak is correct is that all it would be is a Sabre arena with the occasional Mig 15.
Considering the variety of airplanes that could be used, makes it fun in theory, but I'm afraid the reality would be far different considering the majority of players in AH.
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You'd probably be better off asking for an early jets arena.
In an ideal world a Korean war arena you'd have a two country set up with all the late props and Korean era jets with folks being actually willing to fly the prop fighter bombers and straight wing jets. Where Karnak is correct is that all it would be is a Sabre arena with the occasional Mig 15.
Considering the variety of airplanes that could be used, makes it fun in theory, but I'm afraid the reality would be far different considering the majority of players in AH.
My whole point of this thread was for a extension of AH. Do you get it now I was saying it as i know it would not happen for years probably
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My whole point of this thread was for a extension of AH. Do you get it now I was saying it as i know it would not happen for years probably
Understood, but as it is a public forum we're all allowed to critique your suggestion and point out things we think are flaws. You can offer a rebuttal, but just saying "I was just making a suggestion!" doesn't change anybody's mind about your suggestion. The people who liked it will still like it and the people who didn't like it still won't like it.
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Understood, but as it is a public forum we're all allowed to critique your suggestion and point out things we think are flaws. You can offer a rebuttal, but just saying "I was just making a suggestion!" doesn't change anybody's mind about your suggestion. The people who liked it will still like it and the people who didn't like it still won't like it.
True Very True
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it wont get used. just like it didnt get used in aw. semp
What was the plane set in AW?
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Gotta realize that Karnak has a serious hate on for anything with a white star on the side :D
BS....I have never know him to just hate something. Like any person that's not blind he can see what plane sets we are heavy on and which plane sets are lacking. So he advocates for the country's that are lacking.
:salute Karnak
And I feel he is very correct on how Korean war arena would turn out. Everything that isn't a Misstang in the MA is considered a Hanger Queen now anyways. But all of a sudden if we get the Korean war arena everyone swears they will take 51s and Yaks against jets. These same folks wouldn't take a P39 in the MA now because it's not über enough....but that would change right?
No thanks to the F-86 arena.
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:angel: It is a good idea for the Korean theater, but, to make it work, you would have to choose to be U.N, N. Korean, Chinese, or Russian! Then you would have to use the aircraft which were available to those countries! Be sure to include a "night time" arena for those of us who never flew missions during the day! (don't ever see Hi Tech doing this, cost to much).
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Korean war arena is pretty much the lowest thing on the priority list. Really, it should even come after GV's like the Panzer I, Humbler armored car, and even after things like Davidwales' Pfeil.
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Korean war arena is pretty much the lowest thing on the priority list. Really, it should even come after GV's like the Panzer I, Humbler armored car, and even after things like Davidwales' Pfeil.
Seems a bit extreme
For a tanker it would be an interesting arena considering the combatants and the terrain. I don't think there was a single dominating tank in Korea. I'd imagine the fighting would be that much tougher actually.
And it would be a serious TAC air war too over the tanks. That's of course if you could get anyone to fly the straight wing jets, IL-10s, Skyraiders, Corsairs, Mustangs, Firefly's Lagg 9, LA9 Yaks etc. All those A26 guys could make a good case for those in there too.
Again, as Karnak has pointed out, the issue would be that folks would only fly Sabres and all the other stuff would get unused. But it's not an evil rotten idea even if the Luftwaffe and German tanks aren't involved.
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perk the F-86, problem fixed :aok
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perk the F-86, problem fixed :aok
That rather removes the whole point to it being a Korea arena. Further, the MiG-15 would then need to be perked as it would utterly dominate everything else.
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M26 and the M46 dominated the hell out of the fight!
Was pretty much T-34/85's getting their arses handed to them once the first Pershing arrived on the pinnsula.
And in any special event, Tiger I's would be used as pershings untill we got an actual M26.
But any way, once we have EVERYTHING That was used in WWII and WWI, and HTC is just fiddly-farting around, and HiTech's saying "I don't know guys, do you think we should add the nuke?", THATS when we can get the Korean arena that will be used even less than the WWI arena.
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Seems a bit extreme
For a tanker it would be an interesting arena considering the combatants and the terrain. I don't think there was a single dominating tank in Korea. I'd imagine the fighting would be that much tougher actually.
Korean ground was not suitable for tanks, same with Vietnam - sure they "operated" but no where on the scale of WWII. There would be no point in adding GV's in a korean theater. Frankly there is no match up, unless you wanted to strictly use T34/85s and M4(76s).
I am rather against the Korean arena simply because there is plenty to be added to the WW2 Late war arena, which including FSO is the main reason Aces High is still here. Problem is lack of resources, HTC simply cannot crank out 2-3 planes per month otherwise I would advocate
filling out the WW1 arena first, and having a proper map setup.
Much as I have interest in ground vehicles, I believe it needs to stay on the lower end of the priority of Aces High for now, above the WW1 arena and far above a korean theater. Still dozens of aircrafts where only a handful of ground vehicles need to be added, half a dozen aircrafts need better then aH1 graphics as well.
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Not suggesting it be a top of the list bit even remotely.
We did a Korea Scenario in Airwarrior and I have good memories of flying an 18th FBW F-51D with Migs about and having them auger trying to attack us on the deck. The plane mix is interesting for those who'd actually fly something beyond Sabres and Migs as would be the challenges.
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Not suggesting it be a top of the list bit even remotely.
We did a Korea Scenario in Airwarrior and I have good memories of flying an 18th FBW F-51D with Migs about and having them auger trying to attack us on the deck. The plane mix is interesting for those who'd actually fly something beyond Sabres and Migs as would be the challenges.
Besides us how many are going to rise to that challenge? Not many.... Given the sorties everyone would be in a M15 or Sabre, I would probably be the village idiot trying to chase a Mig15 with some WW2 issued prop plane :)
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Can we all agree that it's below filling in ALL holes in the WWII arenas with reasonable coverage, and finishing the WWI arena up a bit more?
Because if we can, then we can also get rid of this thread, as HTC is well aware of the fact that some people want the Korean war arena. And once you've said that it would let us add some new stuff, you've exhausted all of its positive virtues.
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I cannot believe Im saying this.
The old farts are right.
WW2 needs to be finished before we get on with WW1 and Korea. I have ROF to keep my WW1 urges occupied, and Jet Combat? yaaaaaaaaaaaawn. Let Hi-tech make AH2 THE COMPREHENSIVE, instead of PREMIERE, WW2 MMOCFS before we expand into other areas.
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perk the F-86, problem fixed :aok
Depends on the Sabre. Early Sabres like the C model wouldn't need a perk but the F model would as that the jet the majority would fly. It would be like the C-Hog days in early AH.
ack-ack
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Depends on the Sabre. Early Sabres like the C model wouldn't need a perk but the F model would as that the jet the majority would fly. It would be like the C-Hog days in early AH.
ack-ack
I strongly suspect that any model of Sabre would end up being, by far, the most used unit simply due to being the Sabre.
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Can we all agree that it's below filling in ALL holes in the WWII arenas with reasonable coverage, and finishing the WWI arena up a bit more?
Because if we can, then we can also get rid of this thread, as HTC is well aware of the fact that some people want the Korean war arena. And once you've said that it would let us add some new stuff, you've exhausted all of its positive virtues.
No one is saying it's even remotely a priority. The guy brought it up and got ripped for it. Yes it's been brought up a million times. Considering HTC knows everything you've already said, I don't think it was out of line to respond with what would be intriguing to some of us about a Korean arena. Note that in saying what was intriguing, it's also been pointed out each time that it won't work so relax.
Are you even playing yet? If so, go wash your tank :aok
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BS....I have never know him to just hate something. Like any person that's not blind he can see what plane sets we are heavy on and which plane sets are lacking. So he advocates for the country's that are lacking.
:salute Karnak
And I feel he is very correct on how Korean war arena would turn out. Everything that isn't a Misstang in the MA is considered a Hanger Queen now anyways. But all of a sudden if we get the Korean war arena everyone swears they will take 51s and Yaks against jets. These same folks wouldn't take a P39 in the MA now because it's not über enough....but that would change right?
No thanks to the F-86 arena.
Apparently I have misunderstood the years of Karnak bagging on US iron...because it is US. Because you agree with him doesn't
necessarily make him right.
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Apparently I have misunderstood the years of Karnak bagging on US iron...because it is US. Because you agree with him doesn't
necessarily make him right.
I don't bag on American stuff. I like gaps to be filled and the American stuff has the fewest and narrowest gaps and thus the least need by my count.
If, for example, we didn't have the P-38 and the vote had been between the Yak-3, Beaufighter, Me410 and P-38 I would have voted for the P-38 hands down.
Here is me "bagging" on American stuff the other day:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,335111.0.html
The P-61B would be a nice and fun addition to the game. While it would have certain surprising capabilities I don't think it would be as potent as a lot of people fear. It isn't that fast and its power to weight ratio isn't particularly good either.
My guess is that it would mostly end up being used like the Bf110G-2 due to its ordnance capacity and guns.
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Apparently I have misunderstood the years of Karnak bagging on US iron...because it is US. Because you agree with him doesn't
necessarily make him right.
So let me guess, Karnak shot down one of your US bird request and you've never gotten over it?
It will be OK.....just breath!
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Have any of you folks ever played out an F-86/MiG-15 match-up in another game? Here's what I've seen: lots and lots and lots of maneuvering, almost *no* use of the much-beloved stall-fighting we see here in the current MA, h-u-g-e turn radii due to the speeds and G forces on the pilots, and finally, precious few chances to fire guns due to the combined aircraft speeds and relatively short gun ranges. It's really pretty boring, IMHO.
I suppose that MiG-15s intercepting B-29s might be a little more engaging. <shrug>
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So let me guess, Karnak shot down one of your US bird request and you've never gotten over it?
It will be OK.....just breath!
He is right that I have frequently objected to requests for more American stuff. He is wrong about the reasons for that.
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If only for a chance to fly this :banana: :joystick:
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He is right that I have frequently objected to requests for more American stuff. He is wrong about the reasons for that.
Only reason I object to any more american birds is fact we have enough 38s and 47 versions, same for 109s, 190s and spitfires.
We need other plane sets or complete them out first, before we get more "versions".
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same for 109s,
We need the E3 and E7 :old:
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Variants needed:
B-25J
Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS
Fw190A-2
Ki-61-I-Ko
La-5
LaGG-3
P-51A/A-36 (no cannons)
Seafire Mk III
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Variants needed:
B-25J
Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS
Fw190A-2
Ki-61-I-Ko
La-5
LaGG-3
P-51A/A-36 (no cannons)
Seafire Mk III
Much rather stay away from more 109s/190s for a while, rest on the list is quite reasonable I would throw SeaHurricane IIB/IIC to that list just to add some carrier variations.
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Five, six things, then I agree we stay away from the big names for a while.
190A8 split in to early standard-armored, and late up-armored models
109G-10 (not needed, I just want it).
190F8 updated for weapons
109E7
190A2
109G6 AS
After that, we can pretty much leave the 109/190's alone till everything else is done.
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Five, six things, then I agree we stay away from the big names for a while.
190A8 split in to early standard-armored, and late up-armored models
109G-10 (not needed, I just want it).
190F8 updated for weapons
109E7
190A2
109G6 AS
After that, we can pretty much leave the 109/190's alone till everything else is done.
Not likely we are getting anymore 109/190s for a long time, which I hope is so since they are not critical.
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When one accuses me of being anti-American/pro-British I would invite them to compare the two lists below:
Variants needed:
B-25J
Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS
Fw190A-2
Ki-61-I-Ko
La-5
LaGG-3
P-51A/A-36 (no cannons)
Seafire Mk III
Five, six things, then I agree we stay away from the big names for a while.
190A8 split in to early standard-armored, and late up-armored models
109G-10 (not needed, I just want it).
190F8 updated for weapons
109E7
190A2
109G6 AS
I listed two American, two German, two Russian, one Japanese and one British variant. Tank-Ace listed six German variants and nothing else. If I were similarly biased in favor of the British, would my list not look more like this:?
Mosquito Mk IV
Mosquito Mk XVIII
Mosquito Mk 30
Seafire Mk III
Sea Hurricane Mk II
Spitfire Mk XII
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We need the E3 and E7 :old:
As an Emil fan I'd agree on the E7, but the E3 would be redundant. E7 had the DT/Bomb option and a slightly more powerful engine and was still in used into 42 as a fighter bomber in Russia and the MTO. Outside of the different canopy, the E3 and E4 just aren't different enough to warrant adding the E3.
I'd love the E7 though.
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Five, six things, then I agree we stay away from the big names for a while.
190A8 split in to early standard-armored, and late up-armored models
109G-10 (not needed, I just want it).
190F8 updated for weapons
109E7
190A2
109G6 AS
After that, we can pretty much leave the 109/190's alone till everything else is done.
LOL as long as we get all the LW birds you want!
I'll support this as long as we get the Spit LFIX, Spit XII, Seafire LFIII, P47D23, P38H and A-36/P51 Allison Mustang.
Otherwise forget it. You'll have to make do. :aok
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If there's noticeable performance differences, then sure I'd support them. Maybe not as high as an F8 update, since I'm highly unlikely to fly most of that stuff, but if there's a real solid difference in performance, and not just "well, technically its a spit 9, but in performance and handling its identical to the spit 16" crap, then sure.
Only reason the A8 is on my list is because it appears as though we have combination of a mid variant, and an up-armored later variant.
Give us the extra engine power and all those fancy fuel additives and MW boost and what not cleared for use with the up-armored A8's, and I won't say another word. But if HTC is going to fix A 190, might as well see if can get them to split it into its two contributing variants, and update the others in weapons, or whatever we might need.
E-7 is only on there because it wouldn't take much, and would be useful for special events, so we wouldn't have to use a mix of E-4's and F-4's.
G-10 is only on there because I loved the G-10, and would like to see it back, even if it won't be quite the quasi-K4 it was back we had it. And if you're going to ask, don't be shy!
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Not so sure we'd ever get the G-10 back, before we had the K4's performance with a 20mm nose gun, it would have to be completely remodeled in terms of performance.
I tried asking for it throughout the years, I don't see it coming back.
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Not so sure we'd ever get the G-10 back, before we had the K4's performance with a 20mm nose gun, it would have to be completely remodeled in terms of performance.
I tried asking for it throughout the years, I don't see it coming back.
The AS versions of the G6 and G14 are far more important because we dont have a high alt 109 for 43/44.The G10 doesnt even fill any gaps because it was released AFTER the K4.
Tankace you had to of been about 9 or 10 when we had the G10......
:salute
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The AS versions of the G6 and G14 are far more important because we dont have a high alt 109 for 43/44.The G10 doesnt even fill any gaps because it was released AFTER the K4.
Ah good info to know, I don't know the specifics on the AS versions, what are chances of a 20mm K4? I think its probably been asked a million times, but I don't recall if any were ever given the 20mm option.
I think this is what most people wanted, K4 engine with 20mm hub.
Frankly I would love it, but I don't seeing it ever happen.
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Ah good info to know, I don't know the specifics on the AS versions, what are chances of a 20mm K4? I think its probably been asked a million times, but I don't recall if any were ever given the 20mm option.
I think this is what most people wanted, K4 engine with 20mm hub.
Frankly I would love it, but I don't seeing it ever happen.
There were a handfull of K4's that were armed with 20 mm hub guns,however these were evaluation planes and only armed this way because of a lack of Mk108's.
I've asked before and can find no real reason for not having the option to put gondolas on the K4,the wings were capable but not many squads wanted to carry them at that time. IIRC it was JG26 who recieved a shipment of K4's with gondies and promptly removed them!
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Tankace you had to of been about 9 or 10 when we had the G10......
Yup, and I still remember them kicking my bellybutton around the block.
Like I said, I only want the G-10 for personal reasons. It represents a fond memory for me, and because I would absolutely LOVE to troll around with sorta K4-ish preformance and a 20mm.
Also, what made the AS versions superior at high alt? From a quick trip to wiki (yeah, wiki, I know), I understand they had preasurized cocpits, but thats the extent of my knowledge.
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The AS engines had a higher critical altitude. It is like the Spitfire Mk IX's Merlin 61 compared to the Spitfire Mk VIII's Merlin 66.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=2&p2=85&pw=1>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
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Comparable speeds? And what altitudes would we be talking here?
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Comparable speeds? And what altitudes would we be talking here?
That I do not know. A Bf109 buff will need to answer those questions.
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The AS engines had a higher critical altitude. It is like the Spitfire Mk IX's Merlin 61 compared to the Spitfire Mk VIII's Merlin 66.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=2&p2=85&pw=1>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
This would be pretty close to what you could expect the differences to be between the G6 we have now and a G6as. IIRC the FTH was bumped up about 5K. I would have expected MR.Tankace to know this as he seems to know everything.
:salute
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+1 for the korean war arena i think it would see about as much use as the DA gets