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History: In early 1941, Grumman began design-work on a new twin-engine fighter for the War Department, for use on a planned larger Midway-class aircraft carrier. On June 30, 1941, Grumman was awarded a contract to build two prototypes, the first of which flew in December 1943. The XF7F-1 Tigercat was unusual for a fighter, with its shoulder-mounted wings, twin underwing-mounted engines, all-metal construction and tricycle landing gear.
Before the prototype even flew for the first time, Grumman was contracted to build 500 of them for the US Marine Corps, to be used as close-support aircraft for the massive landing operations then underway in the Pacific. Delivery began in April 1944. The first 34 F7F-1s were similar to the prototypes, then 30 two-seat night-fighter variants (called F7F-2Ns) were produced. Next, 189 single-seat models called F7F-3s were built which featured slightly more powerful R-2800 engines, slightly larger vertical stabilizers, and a 7% increase in fuel capacity.
Much of the original order for Tigercats was cancelled after VJ-Day, and they never saw operational service in WWII. Less than 100 Tigercats were built after the war as night-fighters (F7F-3N and F7F-4N), electronic reconnaissance (F7F-3E) and photo-reconnaissance (F7F-3P) platforms, but higher-performance jet-powered airplanes soon replaced the Tigercat in the US Marine Corps. During the 1960s and 1970s, a few were gradually sold as surplus and converted to fire bombers or aerial photography ships.
Nicknames: T-Cat
Specifications (F7F-3):
Engines: Two 2,100hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-34W Double Wasp 18-cylinder radial piston engines
Weight: Empty 16,270 lbs., Max Takeoff 25,720 lbs.
Wing Span: 51ft. 6in.
Length: 45ft. 4.5in.
Height: 16ft. 7in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 22,200 ft: 435 mph
Cruising Speed at 5,000 ft: 222 mph
Initial Climb Rate: 4,500 feet per minute
Ceiling: 40,700 ft.
Range: 1,200 miles
Armament:
Four 20mm (0.79-inch) cannon in wing roots
Four 12.7mm (0.5-inch) machine guns in nose
One torpedo under fuselage
2,000 lbs. of bombs (1,000 lbs. under each wing)
http://www.aero-web.org/specs/grumman/f7f-3.htm
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No. will never see its day view on AH.
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Tigercat is a wonderful aircraft, however It was to late to see service in World War 2, if the Americans were going to Begin Operation Olympic it had a chance to see service, however the war ended by this time.
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Much of the original order for Tigercats was cancelled after VJ-Day, and they never saw operational service in WWII.
that is the one reason why the only way you will see that aircraft in ah is if they bring in korean war era aircraft...even then it would be iffy.
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I think someday the F7F and F8F should be considered as seriously as the decision was by HTCs to not include the nuke.... honest, if the nukes weren't dropped, both were maybe only weeks if not days from seeing combat operations.
If perked, they will be very rarely used off carriers in AH anyways, especialy if CVs keep being used for zero-range beachhead landing support.
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History: In early 1941, Grumman began design-work on a new twin-engine fighter for the War Department, for use on a planned larger Midway-class aircraft carrier. On June 30, 1941, Grumman was awarded a contract to build two prototypes, the first of which flew in December 1943. The XF7F-1 Tigercat was unusual for a fighter, with its shoulder-mounted wings, twin underwing-mounted engines, all-metal construction and tricycle landing gear.
Before the prototype even flew for the first time, Grumman was contracted to build 500 of them for the US Marine Corps, to be used as close-support aircraft for the massive landing operations then underway in the Pacific. Delivery began in April 1944. The first 34 F7F-1s were similar to the prototypes, then 30 two-seat night-fighter variants (called F7F-2Ns) were produced. Next, 189 single-seat models called F7F-3s were built which featured slightly more powerful R-2800 engines, slightly larger vertical stabilizers, and a 7% increase in fuel capacity.
Much of the original order for Tigercats was cancelled after VJ-Day, and they never saw operational service in WWII. Less than 100 Tigercats were built after the war as night-fighters (F7F-3N and F7F-4N), electronic reconnaissance (F7F-3E) and photo-reconnaissance (F7F-3P) platforms, but higher-performance jet-powered airplanes soon replaced the Tigercat in the US Marine Corps. During the 1960s and 1970s, a few were gradually sold as surplus and converted to fire bombers or aerial photography ships.
You basically wasted your time typing this, has been brought up many many times. If they aren't going to add a P-51H, what makes you think they would add a Tigercat? But yea it would be cool to have if AH went into '46.
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Tigercat is a wonderful aircraft, however It was to late to see service in World War 2, if the Americans were going to Begin Operation Olympic it had a chance to see service, however the war ended by this time.
Just because it did not see combat service during WW2 does not really mean it was not entered into service with a branch of the military during WW2, and HiTech has already told me that they would prefer it if they were in service during the time. combat history kills and yada yada do not mean it should not have chance to be considered or be placed on an aircraft voting poll for introduction into AH.
Just because it never shot down an enemy plane or dropped a bomb on some japanese position does not exclude it. It has a chance to be added.
And if i remember correctly someone did say that a F7F variant did fly over hostile skies during WW2. i forget who said that. but that is still considered by the military as being in combat, regardless if it shot at something or not.
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Just because it did not see combat service during WW2 does not really mean it was not entered into service with a branch of the military during WW2, and HiTech has already told me that they would prefer it if they were in service during the time. combat history kills and yada yada do not mean it should not have chance to be considered or be placed on an aircraft voting poll for introduction into AH.
Just because it never shot down an enemy plane or dropped a bomb on some japanese position does not exclude it. It has a chance to be added.
And if i remember correctly someone did say that a F7F variant did fly over hostile skies during WW2. i forget who said that. but that is still considered by the military as being in combat, regardless if it shot at something or not.
It was enroute to Okinawa when the War ended by 1 day:
First squadron to receive F7F-1N's and -2Ns was VMF(N)-531 they finished flight training at MCAS El Centro, California in January 17 1945.
They departed 24 July on Uss Windham Bay) a transport aircraft carrier for Guam. They were unloading on guam when the Atomic Bomb dropped on Hiroshima, on the flight to Okinawa the war ended.
On 17 August VMF(N)-531 joined VMF(N)-533 an F6F-5n hellcat night fighter squadron on Okinawa.
If Hitech was going to add it, how come the Do-335? Re.2005? and other "thin line aircrafts" have not been brought up? I wouldn't mind having something perk heavy to waste my perks on, Tigercat would be a very nice edition but it kind of follows the "1945 wonder weapons" group.
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It was enroute to Okinawa when the War ended by 1 day:
First squadron to receive F7F-1N's and -2Ns was VMF(N)-531 they finished flight training at MCAS El Centro, California in January 17 1945.
They departed 24 July on Uss Windham Bay) a transport aircraft carrier for Guam. They were unloading on guam when the Atomic Bomb dropped on Hiroshima, on the flight to Okinawa the war ended.
On 17 August VMF(N)-531 joined VMF(N)-533 an F6F-5n hellcat night fighter squadron on Okinawa.
If Hitech was going to add it, how come the Do-335? Re.2005? and other "thin line aircrafts" have not been brought up? I wouldn't mind having something perk heavy to waste my perks on, Tigercat would be a very nice edition but it kind of follows the "1945 wonder weapons" group.
I dont have any clue why. it should still be considered though. due to the fact that they were being delievered to marine squadrons before the war ended.
I understand people wanting aicraft that shot down other aircraft. and i agree. i also agree that more early and mid war aircraft should take priority over late war and late late war thin line aircraft. But as i said it still should be considered.
everyone has a say in the matter, and im not saying you shouldnt have the right to voice your opinion. but atleast consider it for a very very later inclusion when we do finally run out of aircraft from early mid, and late war first.
hell if pyro added it to the next aircraft poll and he most likey wont but if, IF he did i would certently vote for it.
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I dont have any clue why. it should still be considered though. due to the fact that they were being delievered to marine squadrons before the war ended.
I understand people wanting aicraft that shot down other aircraft. and i agree. i also agree that more early and mid war aircraft should take priority over late war and late late war thin line aircraft. But as i said it stil should be considered.
everyone has a say in the matter, and im not saying you shouldnt have the right to voice you opinion. but atleast consider it for a very very later inclusion when we do finally run out of aircraft from early mid, and late war first.
hell if pyro added it to the next aircraft poll and he most likey wont but if, IF he did i would certently vote for it.
I would certainly vote on it as well, anything to blow my perks on besides the same rides we have would be a nice change, usually I am more tempered towards early/midwar fighters getting polished off first, but I would still vote on the F7F.
Its twin engines, what more needs to be said? :)
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You basically wasted your time typing this, has been brought up many many times. If they aren't going to add a P-51H, what makes you think they would add a Tigercat? But yea it would be cool to have if AH went into '46.
The H is a very bad comparison - years to days/hours in terms of forcasted operational dates.
It was enroute to Okinawa when the War ended by 1 day:
First squadron to receive F7F-1N's and -2Ns was VMF(N)-531 they finished flight training at MCAS El Centro, California in January 17 1945.
They departed 24 July on Uss Windham Bay) a transport aircraft carrier for Guam. They were unloading on guam when the Atomic Bomb dropped on Hiroshima, on the flight to Okinawa the war ended.
On 17 August VMF(N)-531 joined VMF(N)-533 an F6F-5n hellcat night fighter squadron on Okinawa.
If Hitech was going to add it, how come the Do-335? Re.2005? and other "thin line aircrafts" have not been brought up? I wouldn't mind having something perk heavy to waste my perks on, Tigercat would be a very nice edition but it kind of follows the "1945 wonder weapons" group.
That's what I think it would really touch on, just how far ahead would they move the line IF they started considering the F7F and F8F for inclusion.... or AKA: the snowball rolling down a hill effect.
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+1 for tigercat
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Another reason to regret the fact that the Manhatten project finished so quickly.
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Another reason to regret the fact that the Manhatten project finished so quickly.
The easily waived barrier to adding a simulation of an aircraft to a computer game pales to insignificance against the American, British, Indian, Australian, New Zealander, Chinese, Russian, Korean and Japanese people that lived because they were not delayed.
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The H is a very bad comparison - years to days/hours in terms of forcasted operational dates.
Just saying, it didn't see WWII combat either
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Just saying, it didn't see WWII combat either
Hitech said they would prefer it if it was in service during WW2. and sice it was days away from combat and in service with the USMC during WW2. that qualifies it for consideration.