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Title: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on June 26, 2012, 04:50:48 PM
Somebody asked me to use my film making for good rather than evil for a change.  :lol

Hopefully these brief training films will be insightful enough.

Introduction to the 109E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qcIxKOAv1o

Introduction to the 109F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCrehO3AKA

I pulled info from many different sources as well as experience.
Any feedback or words of wisom from more experienced flyers your input is welcome.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Seanaldinho on June 26, 2012, 08:09:39 PM
Nice very helpful! Will be trying these birds out!  :aok
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: tunnelrat on June 28, 2012, 01:36:13 PM
Somebody asked me to use my film making for good rather than evil for a change.  :lol

Hopefully these brief training films will be insightful enough.

Introduction to the 109E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qcIxKOAv1o

Introduction to the 109F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCrehO3AKA

I pulled info from many different sources as well as experience.
Any feedback or words of wisom from more experienced flyers your input is welcome.

Awesome!!

+1  :aok  :salute
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: 100Coogn on June 28, 2012, 06:55:40 PM
Good video LCADolby.  I shot down my first ME 262 in the 109F.  :)

Coogan  :cheers:
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Owlblink on June 29, 2012, 05:04:05 PM
 :salute dolby

Would you consider doing an intro for the rest of the 109 searies?
Always nice to see how others enjoy the 109s

Guetglich!
 :cheers:
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Hap on June 30, 2012, 07:28:47 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on July 03, 2012, 09:14:04 AM
Good video LCADolby.  I shot down my first ME 262 in the 109F.  :)

Coogan  :cheers:

nice :aok


Would you consider doing an intro for the rest of the 109 searies?

I won't be creating anymore for a short while. But I'll work through them; G2 next :)
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Peyton on July 10, 2012, 04:02:42 PM
Somebody asked me to use my film making for good rather than evil for a change.  :lol

Hopefully these brief training films will be insightful enough.

Introduction to the 109E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qcIxKOAv1o

Introduction to the 109F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCrehO3AKA

I pulled info from many different sources as well as experience.
Any feedback or words of wisom from more experienced flyers your input is welcome.




Great video...music was great, commentary was great, tips, were great...excellent.

In future videos please continue to discuss ballistics, convergence for cannons and mgs, roll rate, etc.  These are all great hints, tips and tricks.

Great job

P.S.-can you post your pics of your stick settings. I noticed your plane stays very steady when you fire your mgs and cannons.
Also, can you post a link to your airplane view files?
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on April 26, 2013, 04:20:19 PM
Having recently had a number of PMs about the 109F and 109E I'm bumping this thread to easier guide them to this thead.  :salute
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Gman on April 26, 2013, 11:46:47 PM
Great job Dolby.  What language is that you were speaking anyhow?
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: BaldEagl on April 27, 2013, 01:23:04 AM
Nice job Dolby.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: eeyore on April 27, 2013, 04:24:46 AM
Very helpful, now I just need someone to do this for the P47.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: -error on April 27, 2013, 05:19:44 AM
Great job, Dolby.
I always liked 109F4 but can't handle it well enough. And it was you, who killed me in spit9 with 109f4 by short burst into canopy :-)
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Bruv119 on April 27, 2013, 08:11:03 AM
Great job Dolby.  What language is that you were speaking anyhow?

I believe it was English with a Welsh twang.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Hap on April 27, 2013, 09:16:05 AM
 :aok :aok
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on January 02, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
I apologise for bumping this, but it is to aid a friend finding this with ease.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: JimmyD3 on January 02, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
Very well done Dolby, and very informative. Thank you. :salute
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: XxDaSTaRxx on January 02, 2014, 11:20:14 AM
 :aok 109's are my favorite fighter  :rock
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: BuckShot on January 03, 2014, 05:48:02 AM
Wicked awesome job!
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Latrobe on January 03, 2014, 06:45:11 AM
109F is just the best fighter! She dances so beautifully!  :aok
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Rogue9Volt on January 03, 2014, 07:35:41 AM
Thanks, Dolby!  I appreciate you taking the time to go a few rounds with me the other night, too.  109F is great fun!  I'll start working on the 109E as well soon.  <S>
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Fulcrum on January 06, 2014, 09:51:38 AM
109E?  109F?  Bah. 

Get out of the girly man planes and get in a 110, Dolb.   ;)  :D

Great videos, BTW.  Thanks for the bump...I didn't see this when it was originally posted.

Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on January 06, 2014, 05:26:45 PM
I'm glad it is useful :)
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on March 10, 2014, 02:15:33 PM
Once more I find myself bumping this thread to help someone better find introductions to the 109 series  :salute
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: The Fugitive on March 10, 2014, 04:04:37 PM
I love the 109s, I just can't shoot anything in them. Now if there was an "introduction to shooting" in the 109 I'd be all over that.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Latrobe on March 10, 2014, 04:33:35 PM
I don't think there is any sure-fire method to teach gunnery in any plane (at least I've never heard of any method that works every time for everyone), but here are some tips that might help.

Convergence must be set to a range that you feel comfortable shooting at. Where's batfink? Look at the quote in his sig and it explains it very well. You don't want to shoot at your convergence range, you want to shoot at the range that you're comfortable at and have the most success at. So if you feel comfortable shooting at 400 yards and have the most success there then set your convergence at 400. If you feel comfortable shooting at 200 yards and have the most success there then set your convergence at 200. Trust me, this works!! I used to have my 109's set to 450 because I thought convergence didn't matter in them. Then one day I changed my 109F guns to 300 just on a whim to see what happens because that's where I feel most comfortable shooting at and have the most success. I went from having to put many bursts into my opponent to kill him to having to put only 1 burst into them to kill them. I instantly went and changed all my planes convergence to 300 after that. It works!

Get close. Ok, now get closer! This is more of a tip than an absolute thing you must do like convergence settings. It's a good idea to get as close to your opponent as possible before shooting. Why? Well it takes less time for the bullets to reach the target, meaning you have to lead the plane a lot less. You bullets will do more damage as well. Some bullets like the 303's on the spitfires lose a lot of their hitting power at longer ranges (I don't know exactly where it starts dropping off significantly, but I'd guess somewhere around 400-450 yards). So, if you get within 200 yards of your opponent before you start shooting then you don't have to lead him as much and your shots will do maximum damage. If you do do this and get in close then remember to set your convergence for this range as well for reasons explained above.

Of course, you do want to be shooting at ranges you feel comfortable with and have the most success at, so if you like engaging targets at 400 yards then set your convergence to 400 yards. If you're still having trouble hitting the target even in your comfort zone then try the 2nd tip. Set your convergence somewhere in 200-300 yards and get as close to your opponent as you can before pulling the trigger. It's easier to aim since you don't have to lead them as much.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: The Fugitive on March 10, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
Thanks for the time and the write up. That is very basic info that while useful don't help worth a squat!  Just kidding!

I understand the convergence and the idea to get close, then closer, also un-loading the aircraft, even have a good idea on how to lead. I've studied films to try a determine "what range" I shoot at. Slow them down and check the range when I score hits. Adjusted my site to be able to figure those ranges easier, and tried to fly and set up my shots to give me the easiest guns solution. All this and over the last few years I've gotten my hit percentage to hover around the 4% mark.

Now according to Lusche charts © that puts me above average, but I still have almost as many assists as I do kills. Then when I get in a 109, I'm lucky to get assists before I run out of ammo. I guess Im just destined to out fly everyone until someone comes in and clears my 12 o'clock for me.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: ink on March 10, 2014, 06:20:18 PM
Thanks for the time and the write up. That is very basic info that while useful don't help worth a squat!  Just kidding!

I understand the convergence and the idea to get close, then closer, also un-loading the aircraft, even have a good idea on how to lead. I've studied films to try a determine "what range" I shoot at. Slow them down and check the range when I score hits. Adjusted my site to be able to figure those ranges easier, and tried to fly and set up my shots to give me the easiest guns solution. All this and over the last few years I've gotten my hit percentage to hover around the 4% mark.

Now according to Lusche charts © that puts me above average, but I still have almost as many assists as I do kills. Then when I get in a 109, I'm lucky to get assists before I run out of ammo. I guess Im just destined to out fly everyone until someone comes in and clears my 12 o'clock for me.


 I am not sure what rides you prefer.....

I would suggest getting into 1 plane and sticking with that....

 you have been flying long enough to understand ACM...you aint no noob.....

much like you my aim is horrible..to me 4% is horrible..but in my Ki its much different....there are some shots still hard to miss and its not way up there but I guarantee my aim is far better in that then anything else except maybe the old hurri2

once you really learn a plane inside out...the aim will come into its own in that ride...
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: The Fugitive on March 10, 2014, 08:49:20 PM
Lately I have been spending most of my time in the hog, pony, and now and then the 38. What do they have in common? 50 cals.

Like I said I have been tuning it in better with those planes, but there are very few that stick to one kind of plane in this game. INK in his KI, ACK ACK in his 38 with the 80th, Stampf and his loony crew  :neener: but I have a hard time doing that. 109s are a blast to turn on a wing tip with that rudder, zeros with those quick turns, even a spit can be fun at times. The F6f is a blast as long as you don't have to look back. There are so many fun rides I just can't stick with one ALLL the time.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: ink on March 11, 2014, 12:03:19 AM
Lately I have been spending most of my time in the hog, pony, and now and then the 38. What do they have in common? 50 cals.

Like I said I have been tuning it in better with those planes, but there are very few that stick to one kind of plane in this game. INK in his KI, ACK ACK in his 38 with the 80th, Stampf and his loony crew  :neener: but I have a hard time doing that. 109s are a blast to turn on a wing tip with that rudder, zeros with those quick turns, even a spit can be fun at times. The F6f is a blast as long as you don't have to look back. There are so many fun rides I just can't stick with one ALLL the time.

 :rofl so true about the F6


I am not saying all the time...just *most* of the time :D
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Les Paul on March 11, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
Mmm. I friggin love those 109s. They are the only thing I fly. If I had to pick a favorite model it would be a toss up between the F4, and the G2, the winner going to whatever plane I am not flying at the time.. It seems every-time I step into the F4, I get pushed into a situation where I wish I had the G2s engine power, and when I am flying my G2, I get pushed into the situation where I would much rather be flying the uber light F4. Like they say, the grass is always greener on the other side -_-

On a serious note. The F4 is just an amazing bird, the controls just match my idea of what a plane should fly right and I personally think that is the best of the 109s, the plane is just so balanced you can easily turn a messy situation into a great situation with the F4, not so much in the other 109s, G2 included (Probably because people underestimate the F4). I just feel like I have more options in the F4 than any other 109, despite its relatively weak engine performance.

I personally cant stand the G-6, G-14, and K-4. I wont even touch that hog of a G6 anymore, and I only ever take the G-14 or K-4 when I am feeling lazy and want to one hit the toejam out of somebody before crashing and burning, or bored enough to hunt bombers down. Unfortunately my aim is just awful so I usually just end up crashing and burning :P
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Debrody on March 12, 2014, 06:11:49 AM
I wont even touch that hog of a G6 anymore
Hey, you can just up a Spit8 too if you want some easy mode...
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on May 31, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
A quick bump to help a chappy out.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 01, 2014, 05:31:06 AM
Hey, you can just up a Spit8 too if you want some easy mode...
:P
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Nimrod45 on June 05, 2014, 01:56:55 AM
Can't wait for the G2 walk through.  Good info Dolby.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on June 16, 2014, 05:14:46 PM
Can't wait for the G2 walk through.  Good info Dolby.

I never got round to the G2 in the end, I may have to go back and finish off these  :)
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Oyabun on September 16, 2015, 06:16:48 PM
A short time ago someone asked about these films for the 109. His name started with a Z...
If anyone can remember and is reading this, pass the info on.

<S>
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: Zoney on September 16, 2015, 07:14:28 PM
A short time ago someone asked about these films for the 109. His name started with a Z...
If anyone can remember and is reading this, pass the info on.

<S>

he must have been cool.  Only really cool people have a name that starts with a "Z"

"Z's" of the World....UNITE !!!
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: HL117 on September 17, 2015, 10:42:22 AM
I would like to reserve " ZL "  for the next tour.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: LCADolby on February 17, 2016, 12:50:51 PM
Has anyone recently watched any of these and had thoughts to add?
I'm thinking of revamping these and possibly doing other films for other aircraft or hints and tips.
Title: Re: SO you want to fly the early 109s?
Post by: 1ijac on February 18, 2016, 02:51:49 AM
Thanks for the suggestions Dolby,  Upped a 109f, got multiple kills and had a lot of fun.  I never fly them.

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