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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on June 28, 2012, 09:31:42 PM
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effing HATE it.
left the shop today, and it looked like the mighty pidgeon from nuclear hell dropped one on the hood of my car. the gt. :furious :furious :furious :mad: :mad:
anyway, got a little soapy water, and a micro fiber cloth, sprayed it, let it soak, then gently wiped it all off. there's an effing stain where the poop was. :bhead :bhead
the car had a fresh coat of wax on her, so i didn't expect to see that. i thought i could rub it off a by using a little more pressure with the microfiber cloth. no go. now i've got a few swirl marks in addition to the nuclear bird poop from hell stain.
as it stands right now, i'm going to bring my polishing compound home from the shop, and try to polish it out tomorrow night. i can't feel any of this stuff with my fingertips, or with my fingernails.
will that get this crap(pun intended) off my car? i feel like i should already know this, but i don't....and there's plenty of you guys that know MUCH better than i how to maintain newness in a car. this is REALLY getting under my skin, as my gt is still perfect....except for this.
thanks doooods
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Awesome Ford paint job... :lol
Sorry, I know it hurts.
:bhead
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Awesome Ford paint job... :lol
Sorry, I know it hurts.
:bhead
frustrating part, is that i had a GOOD coat of carnuba wax on her. it should never have gotten to the paint.
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frustrating part, is that i had a GOOD coat of carnuba wax on her. it should never have gotten to the paint.
Bird poop is acidic, and even worse under the sun. Spending hours on the wax burning away everything, I'd imagine that's why it got to the paint; just my 2 cents though.
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How does that saying go? .... "birds of a feather"....
And since it was a piece of crap attracted to your Ford....
:rofl
Sorry CAP, I respect you and everything but dang.... it's up on a tee.
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Bird poop is acidic, and even worse under the sun. Spending hours on the wax burning away everything, I'd imagine that's why it got to the paint; just my 2 cents though.
i hadn't known that. i dunno how long it was on there, so you're probably dead on. :bhead
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I did the same thing getting a little aggressive with a shop towel taking off a little poo which left a 4" set of hard to notice scratches. I was buffing a few scratches out of my truck from an over eager snowplow operator already so I just used my 6" polisher (cheap Ryobi) and a microfiber polishing wrap thingy with some Meguiars polish. Hit it a couple times, not too much pressure and it was almost completely gone. To finish up I took a soft foam head and hit it with the same stuff. Took it right out.
In other news I used a clay bar for the first time a few weeks ago since I had a need for a pep boys bucket anyway. Those suckers are no joke! I hit the left half of the car with it and when I was done couldn't believe the difference. You could throw a towel on the hood and it would slide off. Gave it a shot of speed wax, cleaned up the wheels a bit and made it look nice for the Mustang/Ford Show and Go. Friday night I went to Cecil county to take a few hits on the tree and it rained like all hell. I was hanging out with my buddy who has lived in India the last few years so I didn't really care about tidying up. Left the house the next morning at 6:30am and arrived with the dirtiest car at the track...at least I went rounds :)
When are you going to finally do a pass? I'll let you use my wheels. They'll probably be for sale this winter since I'll have my Corvette built up for next year and I won't have to beat up my eco-box anymore.
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i hadn't known that. i dunno how long it was on there, so you're probably dead on. :bhead
The way you described it, I really hope it didn't burn into the clear coat (I highly doubt it, but I've seen it before; only difference is the car had been there for 2 years being pooped on so...). Like Golfer said, try the microfiber method, maybe it is just a stain? :)
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I did the same thing getting a little aggressive with a shop towel taking off a little poo which left a 4" set of hard to notice scratches. I was buffing a few scratches out of my truck from an over eager snowplow operator already so I just used my 6" polisher (cheap Ryobi) and a microfiber polishing wrap thingy with some Meguiars polish. Hit it a couple times, not too much pressure and it was almost completely gone. To finish up I took a soft foam head and hit it with the same stuff. Took it right out.
In other news I used a clay bar for the first time a few weeks ago since I had a need for a pep boys bucket anyway. Those suckers are no joke! I hit the left half of the car with it and when I was done couldn't believe the difference. You could throw a towel on the hood and it would slide off. Gave it a shot of speed wax, cleaned up the wheels a bit and made it look nice for the Mustang/Ford Show and Go. Friday night I went to Cecil county to take a few hits on the tree and it rained like all hell. I was hanging out with my buddy who has lived in India the last few years so I didn't really care about tidying up. Left the house the next morning at 6:30am and arrived with the dirtiest car at the track...at least I went rounds :)
When are you going to finally do a pass? I'll let you use my wheels. They'll probably be for sale this winter since I'll have my Corvette built up for next year and I won't have to beat up my eco-box anymore.
to be honest, my gt'll probably run laps at milleville before she ever makes a full power pass down the 1320.
to hijack my own thread......check out evolution performances facebook page. there's apparently a mustang vs camaro meet at atco in august. i was talking to my buddy with the 2010 camaro ss. he's working on his wife now for permission to go. he probably won't run either....although if he were to run, i'd probably grab a hemet and line up next to him. we used to run back in the 80's. his 68 camaro 350 vs my 83 5 liter mustang. he never got me till i sold him the smallblock 400 out of my chevy pickup. then he kicked my azzzz on a regular basis.
i'm gonna try what you suggested, and hopefully it gets that stain out. this really does piss me off. not even an effing year old yet, and some stupid crap like this happens. it honestly makes me want to put poisoned food out for the little rats with wings........
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The way you described it, I really hope it didn't burn into the clear coat (I highly doubt it, but I've seen it before; only difference is the car had been there for 2 years being pooped on so...). Like Golfer said, try the microfiber method, maybe it is just a stain? :)
i hope not. it would seriously piss me off....more than i am now about it. she wasnt' even parked under a tree for christsake.
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effing HATE it.
left the shop today, and it looked like the mighty pidgeon from nuclear hell dropped one on the hood of my car. the gt. :furious :furious :furious :mad: :mad:
anyway, got a little soapy water, and a micro fiber cloth, sprayed it, let it soak, then gently wiped it all off. there's an effing stain where the poop was. :bhead :bhead
the car had a fresh coat of wax on her, so i didn't expect to see that. i thought i could rub it off a by using a little more pressure with the microfiber cloth. no go. now i've got a few swirl marks in addition to the nuclear bird poop from hell stain.
as it stands right now, i'm going to bring my polishing compound home from the shop, and try to polish it out tomorrow night. i can't feel any of this stuff with my fingertips, or with my fingernails.
will that get this crap(pun intended) off my car? i feel like i should already know this, but i don't....and there's plenty of you guys that know MUCH better than i how to maintain newness in a car. this is REALLY getting under my skin, as my gt is still perfect....except for this.
thanks doooods
Use the Griot's Speed Shine that came with your kit you ding dong! :rofl
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Use the Griot's Speed Shine that came with your kit you ding dong! :rofl
i did. it's still there.
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I never clean my car the dirt and grime acts as a barrier against such attacks from said creatures :old:
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I never clean my car the dirt and grime acts as a barrier against such attacks from said creatures :old:
:rofl I figured you leave old pie droppings on as well :aok
Anyhoo, you probably don't even notice it on that Robin you drive, right :rofl
Or, do you drive one of those former East Germany Trabies? :rofl
:cheers: Oz
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I had a fiat 200 once and it was so poo it was brilliant.
People used to get angry when they saw it. lol
It was air cooled made in Poland and did 0 to 60 in 15 minutes lol
It failed its MOT on brake drums being oval, I had them re machined and it passed to the amusement of the garage :) (The cost of the drums was more than the car was worth :)
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i did. it's still there.
Bird poop is acidic and you will have to use a wheel. The longer it stays on, the worse it gets and will remain permanent.
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effing HATE it.
left the shop today, and it looked like the mighty pidgeon from nuclear hell dropped one on the hood of my car. the gt. :furious :furious :furious :mad: :mad:
anyway, got a little soapy water, and a micro fiber cloth, sprayed it, let it soak, then gently wiped it all off. there's an effing stain where the poop was. :bhead :bhead
the car had a fresh coat of wax on her, so i didn't expect to see that. i thought i could rub it off a by using a little more pressure with the microfiber cloth. no go. now i've got a few swirl marks in addition to the nuclear bird poop from hell stain.
as it stands right now, i'm going to bring my polishing compound home from the shop, and try to polish it out tomorrow night. i can't feel any of this stuff with my fingertips, or with my fingernails.
will that get this crap(pun intended) off my car? i feel like i should already know this, but i don't....and there's plenty of you guys that know MUCH better than i how to maintain newness in a car. this is REALLY getting under my skin, as my gt is still perfect....except for this.
thanks doooods
If it is good wax it should not affect the clearcoat. The issue was the clearcoat you waxed over... it had imperfection that you did not notice because it is all over the factory paint. That is the way all cars are when new. Waxing over the imperfections will not create a good even wax coating.
To fix it forget buffing. All you need to do is claybar the small area where it was at. You can get a claybar kit at most auto parts stores. The box will have 2 claybars and a bottle of detail spray. Easy to do just follow directions.
Once you claybar that small area you will see how it should look. Then you will want to claybar the whole car and give it a good wax coat. You wont have the bird poop or bug problem again after that.
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Cap,
If it was my car I'd try a polishing compound and do it by hand,no buffers,just be sure to rub in straight lines and not circles unless you want swirls and like doing the whole car.
Get a new household sponge and use that to work the compound until you cant feel the marks anymore. Then you need to hit it with a coat of wax and bob's ur uncle!
Birdpoop can eat right through the paint,seen it many times,hopefully it's only marred to top surface of the clearcoat and it should be a relatively easy fix.
It's too late now but if it happens again,try some baking soda to neutralize the acid then wash it off with soap and water. Pine gum is the worse,it's acidic and doesnt want to come off.I've tried freezing it to remove and that works if it's fresh but in a worse case I've had to resort to a razorblade and cut it off the paint,that takes nerve!!! :devil
If you cant fix it,send it to me I'll take care of it,though it might have a couple extra miles on it when I'm done,cant give the car back until it's thoroughly road tested!!! :D
:salute
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frustrating part, is that i had a GOOD coat of carnuba wax on her. it should never have gotten to the paint.
Carnuaba is not going to protect against bird poop. If the temps have been above 90F, that carnuaba is going to burn off in 3 or 4 days. A good poly sealer under the carnuba will help protect against bird poop better, but leave bird poop on any car finish, and it will etch the paint. It does not matter if it is lacquer or urethane or even ceramic, it will etch if you leave it on there long enough.
Best you can do is get the shine back, but if it was on there very long, the shine will still have a 'puddled' look from where the etching went into the paint and was removed to restore the shine.
Start with Meguiars Swirl remover. It is a soft abrasive which will help remove the etching. This should get the shine back.
I like Wolfgangs poly sealer and finisher. The "finisher" removes micro-swirls and restores lubricity to the paint. The "sealer" will last about 6 months, on good paint and is easy to apply and remove. All Wolfgangs products are water based, so they will not harm the paint like Meguiars Cleaner Wax will.
I also like to clay the surface before applying the sealer/finisher. It gets rid of contaminants washing will leave behind.
Once you get the poly sealer on it, put a coat of a good carnuba on that and you will have done everything possible to protect the paint.
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Carnuaba is not going to protect against bird poop. If the temps have been above 90F, that carnuaba is going to burn off in 3 or 4 days. A good poly sealer under the carnuba will help protect against bird poop better, but leave bird poop on any car finish, and it will etch the paint. It does not matter if it is lacquer or urethane or even ceramic, it will etch if you leave it on there long enough.
Best you can do is get the shine back, but if it was on there very long, the shine will still have a 'puddled' look from where the etching went into the paint and was removed to restore the shine.
Start with Meguiars Swirl remover. It is a soft abrasive which will help remove the etching. This should get the shine back.
I like Wolfgangs poly sealer and finisher. The "finisher" removes micro-swirls and restores lubricity to the paint. The "sealer" will last about 6 months, on good paint and is easy to apply and remove. All Wolfgangs products are water based, so they will not harm the paint like Meguiars Cleaner Wax will.
I also like to clay the surface before applying the sealer/finisher. It gets rid of contaminants washing will leave behind.
Once you get the poly sealer on it, put a coat of a good carnuba on that and you will have done everything possible to protect the paint.
Words of wisdom! Carnuba is good for show! but a polysealer will always do a better job of sealing and protecting the paint.
I've never used wolfgang's products but I'll take Skuzzy's word on it. I mostly have experience with commercial stuff made by 3M and a couple other manufactures I cant remember..... :old:
:salute
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After you do all the hard work to shine her up, don't use dish soap to wash your car, unless you want strip all your hard work off.
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After you do all the hard work to shine her up, don't use dish soap to wash your car, unless you want strip all your hard work off.
Never, never use dish soap on paint. It will break down the polymer chains in acrylic paints causing crazing and oxidation to run rampant. Meguiars, Mothers, and Griots make some good car washing products. There are also some other professional brands available to the consumer as well, but they tend to cost more.
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all good advice guys. thanks!! i use griots wash. i've also got their claybar, and polishing compound. i think it's #3? the reaLly fine one.
it was on there for at least a few hours. i left work at around 7 last night. that's when i saw it. i parked the car at 815....went out around 11'ish to get my tablet out of her, and it wasn't there then.
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effing HATE it.
left the shop today, and it looked like the mighty pidgeon from nuclear hell dropped one on the hood of my car. the gt. :furious :furious :furious :mad: :mad:
anyway, got a little soapy water, and a micro fiber cloth, sprayed it, let it soak, then gently wiped it all off. there's an effing stain where the poop was. :bhead :bhead
the car had a fresh coat of wax on her, so i didn't expect to see that. i thought i could rub it off a by using a little more pressure with the microfiber cloth. no go. now i've got a few swirl marks in addition to the nuclear bird poop from hell stain.
as it stands right now, i'm going to bring my polishing compound home from the shop, and try to polish it out tomorrow night. i can't feel any of this stuff with my fingertips, or with my fingernails.
will that get this crap(pun intended) off my car? i feel like i should already know this, but i don't....and there's plenty of you guys that know MUCH better than i how to maintain newness in a car. this is REALLY getting under my skin, as my gt is still perfect....except for this.
thanks doooods
1) :rofl :lol
2) Rub on, rub off. Repeat as necessary.
3) :rofl :lol
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This is why I now buy white vehicles.
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This is why I now buy white vehicles.
Why? Is there something magical about white paint besides being near impossible to match?
Ya white doesnt show the dirt as much but it's subject to the same stuff as any other colour.
:salute
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Why? Is there something magical about white paint besides being near impossible to match?
Ya white doesnt show the dirt as much but it's subject to the same stuff as any other colour.
:salute
Might just be for those of us living in the southern half, but it keeps the car ~20-degrees cooler about this time of year.
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Might just be for those of us living in the southern half, but it keeps the car ~20-degrees cooler about this time of year.
True as I've owned both white and black cars I know it makes a huge difference! I does get warm up here,hit 93 today and I'm glad I dont own a black car anymore. The wife used to call it the pizza cooker,throw a frozen pizza on the dash and it;s ready i half an hour.... :D
Jo just made it sound like there was a difference because it's white.
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True as I've owned both white and black cars I know it makes a huge difference! I does get warm up here,hit 93 today and I'm glad I dont own a black car anymore. The wife used to call it the pizza cooker,throw a frozen pizza on the dash and it;s ready i half an hour.... :D
Jo just made it sound like there was a difference because it's white.
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Was 109 the other day in Houston :D
As for color... it's not the color coat that is affected. It's the clear coat. I would not touch it with anything but claybar. Then a good seal, wax.
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just let it go and pm me your visa number and i'll send you over a new hood and paint... air compressor, paint gun and paint booth too if need be :D
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White hides dirt and scratches way better than black or darker paint.
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White hides dirt and scratches way better than black or darker paint.
i owned a white car. i can tell you it does nothing to hide dirt. it shows up just as badly....if not worse, than it does on black. you are correct though, it does hide scratches, and even small dents/dings.
ok, here's what i've done. the claybar did nothing. i used it in conjunction with the speedshine, as instructed by griots. no visible signs of anything coming off on/in the clay whatsoever. i did an area about 4" either way from the poop stain.
next up was the griots polishing compound. this did remove most of it. there's still an ever so slight blemish there....which still pisses me off, but at least now, in order to see it, i need to shine my drop light directly on it with a 100 watt incandescent bulb. don't anyone say anything about using incandescent. i like them. they work well.
so i guess, i'm gonna go re-read skuzzys post about sealer, and it's gonna be time to make a day of getting my baby protected from these flying poop machines.
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Why? Is there something magical about white paint besides being near impossible to match?
Ya white doesnt show the dirt as much but it's subject to the same stuff as any other colour.
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because I swear birds aim for black cars. I can park the silver 2000 next to the black 2012 and there won't be a drop on the silver one and at least 4 poops on the black one.
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because I swear birds aim for black cars. I can park the silver 2000 next to the black 2012 and there won't be a drop on the silver one and at least 4 poops on the black one.
you ARE STILL ALIVE!!!!!!!
how's you bud?
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CAP, clay only removes surface impurities washing will not remove. It will not polish. Matter of fact, if you use clay correctly (using two fingers to move it over the paint), you really cannot feel any drag. It should glide and the only resistance should be coming from the impurities it picks up. Be sure to turn the clay often.
The sealer will help to fill in the etched area of the poop bomb. If this is the first time you have used sealer, be sure to:
1) Wash the car.
2) Clay the car.
3) You can go right to sealer here, but you might consider a finishing glaze and a paint restorer before sealer. I do the glaze and restorer once a year and apply sealer 3 times a year.
Follow the instructions on the sealer. Every sealer is slightly different. Wolfgangs Sealer reqrueis 24 hours to cure. During that time do not get it wet. It does not need to be buffed, and requires no hand pressure or polishing machine to apply and remove.
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Even when I place my R/T in the garage I put a cover on the car. Birds have a nasty habit of ending up
in your garage also. Also....not as prevelant but a big pain are Carpenter Bees. Ya....the big black and yellow ones.
They nest on wood, as they eat the wood they digest and discharge it. They don't leave huge stains as bird poop
but the small tan hued marks are also a pain in the arse. I use Adams Detailing Spray regularly. Makes it easier
to get buggs and any stains left by nature to remove. Finish on the Hemi Orange is still show room fresh two years
after I purchased it.