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Title: Question for those real pilots
Post by: ozrocker on July 02, 2012, 12:25:51 PM

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I listen to atc.net PHL Final often. I'm confused about something the tower
says during Final. The atc tells the pilot. Brickyard 417, turn right heading 275, speed 180kts, establish
localizer, till Delto, Jalto, Gelco? The last part is what i'm confused about.


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Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: B4Buster on July 02, 2012, 12:38:18 PM

I'm not instrument rated so I have no authority to begin trying to explain, but they're referring to imaginary waypoints that are certain distances from the airport. The waypoints are used for instrument approaches.

Each waypoint has a minimum altitude. Looking at an instrument approach from the side, it would look like a set of stairs, with the bottom being the airport.

Again, that is a very simplified explanation from a non-IR pilot.


edit: Google "PHL 27R approach plate". That will give you a bit of a visual. You will see JALTO as one of the waypoints.

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: B4Buster on July 02, 2012, 12:51:44 PM

Well...the approach won't quite look like a staircase. More like a ramp with slopes of varying lengths and pitch.

Keep in mind each approach will look a little different.

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: RedBull1 on July 02, 2012, 01:06:19 PM

spot on buster  :aok

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: xNOVAx on July 02, 2012, 02:14:17 PM

http://dtpp.zephyrcharts.com/1204/00320I27RSAC2.PDF

 :aok

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: B4Buster on July 02, 2012, 02:31:33 PM

Thanks NOVA!

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: ozrocker on July 02, 2012, 03:23:21 PM

Thanks Sir! :aok
It was driving me nuts trying to figure out what they were saying and referring to.
I bring up the liveatc.net & "Flightaware". Pretty cool to watch the markers as they are
approaching/departing while listening to the Comms.
Philly has a woman controller who has the hottest voice :t
I'm trying to catch her on again :O
JALTO is in Oaklyn , NJ  :)

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Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: ALFAMEGA51 on July 02, 2012, 03:44:55 PM

Oz i downloaded the atc.net, but where do you go to exactly to listen to them?  :)

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: ozrocker on July 02, 2012, 05:12:17 PM

You shouldn't have to download anything. I listen from the site.
Near top of page you'll see a box to type in airport code or city.
Type in hit enter it'll bring up the different controllers and frequency.
Click on whichever you want to listen to. You can listen in the browser.


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Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: Seanaldinho on July 02, 2012, 05:47:48 PM

Fun stuff I pulled up Miami today.

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: Wildcat1 on July 02, 2012, 05:52:54 PM

Brickyard? that's Republic Airlines, didn't know they were still operational :aok

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: Golfer on July 02, 2012, 08:28:31 PM

Different Republic. The one today is what's left of Mid Atlantic after US Airways sold it to Republic Airways Holdings (Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Republic and now Frotier, Midwest and Lynx are they different certificates) in 2005ish. The blue top Airways Express E-170s tail numbers almost all end in "MD" for that reason.

Jalto is a fix for 27R. When Philly is landing west you'll hear BWINE (Bee-Wine, for Brandywine) for 9R or Kelee just before going over to tower.

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: fbEagle on July 02, 2012, 10:33:51 PM

very good explination.  :aok   Im not instrument rated either but i remember my CFI talking about it.

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: ozrocker on July 03, 2012, 05:12:00 AM

Thanks for all the good info :aok
Like I posted earlier, it's even better with Flightaware on. Gives you the plane tags & ID's.
On Flightaware, you can also get a listing of every type and how many of any A/C in air.
The other day, there was a JU-52 in flight. Northern US airport to Canada.
Oh, and Chautauqua still goes by that callsign.
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Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: B4Buster on July 03, 2012, 07:21:03 AM

Quote from: ozrocker on July 03, 2012, 05:12:00 AM

Thanks for all the good info :aok
Like I posted earlier, it's even better with Flightaware on. Gives you the plane tags & ID's.
On Flightaware, you can also get a listing of every type and how many of any A/C in air.
The other day, there was a JU-52 in flight. Northern US airport to Canada.
Oh, and Chautauqua still goes by that callsign.
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that Ju-52 literally flew right over me on Wednesday. I have some pictures of it which I will post to this thread. It landed in Auburn, ME and had extra fuel tanks pulled out to make room for passenger seating. From Auburn, it headed to California. Its final destination will be Oshkosh.

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: B4Buster on July 03, 2012, 07:33:06 AM

Here are a few pics. He flew over us at about 700', did a steep turn, then proceeded on to the Lewiston/Auburn airport (KLEW).

 (http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/Ju521.jpg)

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/Ju-522.jpg)

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/ju-523.jpg)

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/Ju-524.jpg)

And here's an article about the Ju-52's journey:

http://www.airventure.org/news/2012/120620_ju52.html (http://www.airventure.org/news/2012/120620_ju52.html)

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: FTJR on July 03, 2012, 08:12:31 AM

I will have missed Oshkkosh ??  :mad:

Good photos B4'

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: B4Buster on July 03, 2012, 08:34:05 AM

Quote from: FTJR on July 03, 2012, 08:12:31 AM

I will have missed Oshkkosh ??  :mad:

Good photos B4'

Thanks, sir!

I'd love to make it to Oshkosh some day  :(

Title: Re: Question for those real pilots
Post by: ozrocker on July 03, 2012, 11:42:15 AM

Nice pictures :aok


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