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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MrGeezer on July 02, 2012, 06:27:26 PM
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One thing that will help all three sides in this game is basic communication. Having been on all three sides to assess and decide which side I wanted to be on it was painfully obvious that all sides have the same communications problem.
Sadly, much information given on VOX and text is vague, misleading, and in many cases unnecessary. It's been mentioned on the forums in the past but the topic bears repeating as ALL sides can benefit from Aces High Communications 101.
How many times have you been in a ground vehicle, and at times with perkies paid for your ride and you hear this: “Hey, there's a Tiger over there”. (Really? Where?) “it's over there, can't you see it?” (If I could see it would I be asking?) You stop, turn your engine off and begin scanning the area for the Tiger in question when you literally have zero information to go on and then ***THUD*** you are back in the tower.
How many times have you been in a plane with three or four enemy around and maybe ten friendly planes in your same area within 3-5K. Radar is out (not that that really matters), you scan in all directions, your head on a swivel of views and you reach over for a sip of soda while country text and range VOX is as quiet as a church mouse . ***TINK-TINK-TINK*** you are back in the tower.
How about when people are texting on country about an enemy cv at such & such location. You up a box of bombers to go sink it. After a good 15 minutes of getting to altitude, calibrating your bombsight, opening your doors and scanning the area for the cv you still cannot find it. Ten minutes later you are still looking in the last known location—even looking in the other keypads nearby and still cant find it. After asking on green country text for the fifth time (nicely) someone finally pipes up that it was sunk 15 minutes ago and no one bothered to put it out on green.
These scenarios are all too common in our game and don't have to be. We are all guilty of bad communications to a point, me included, so lets help each other on this issue regardless of chess piece affiliation in a positive way:
“Thou are responsible for thine OWN SIX”. Never demand a check six call and never get indignant when you don't get one...but looking out for your own countrymen is a respectable trait. As a courtesy, give check six calls (on VOX or the “/' key) when you see someone else's bacon in jeopardy...they just may return the favor someday.
“Information without sufficient proper details is useless information” Having to listen to someone's constant “Spitfire droppin' in”, “Here comes the bombers”, “Tiger”, and “there's a wirble” are worthless without details and even tedious after awhile.
WHERE is the Spitfire dropping in from? East? West? South? North? How high? What angle?
WHERE are the bombers coming from? How many? What altitude? Do they have escorts?
WHERE is the Tiger? To your 3 o'clock? Nine o'clock? Is it in the open? Behind the nearest windmill? Which barn is it near—exactly? Who is most in danger of that Tiger?
WHERE is the wirble on the base? Camping the runway? Which runway? Which end? Near the VH? In the trees under the radar tower?
Giving a play-by-play as to what you see through your own eyes without and relevant details as to what others are seeing is worthless information. If this is your personal way to hand out info and after awhile no one responds to you you may very well be in their squelch list. Details, details, details or else hesitate before hitting Range VOX until you do.
“If you kill a cv—spot a cv—or even see an enemy mission upping PUT IT OUT ON GREEN country text quickly with all the relevant details you can provide”. Most AH'ers use the grid square designation and then the numbers keyboard pad keys for additional and more accurate location on the map. If you sink a cv inform your countrymen on green country text so that others don't waste time trying to find and sink something that is already at the bottom of Dale's Virtual Ocean. It's only courteous to do so.
“Bad or vague information is worse than NO information.” The easiest way to put in a nutshell that it SHOULD be is “The Communications Golden Rule: Provide clear, concise, and accurate information to others as if you would have them provide information to you.” Pretty simple really.
So, next time you press on F12 to give out information ask yourself: Is it detailed? Is it accurate? Is it courteous? If not, you may not be doing your buds any favors by reporting. If it IS, others will learn to trust your info and depend on it.
This post is by far not all that would help communications so if you have other positive ideas to help, feel free to add them to the thread and thank you in advance.
This is being posted with positive intent to help all players enjoy the game more and improve themselves.
GOOD LUCK!
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I applaud this exercise in futility. You're asking for logical and reasonable conversations... except this is the interweb, those don't happen.
INteresting none the less! :aok
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why would I put out on country where a nme CV is...so the bomber guys can come along and destroy the thing and ruin a damn good fight.
no thanks :aok
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I cannot dissagree with you.
But, bait is bait is bait when no one is willing to get their feet wet in the meat grinder first. You are the poor chap who both your green guys and the red guys have been milling 5k apart from each other waiting to make the first suicidal move by being alone in between. It's like watching penguins stack up on the edge of the ice not wanting to be the first in the water.
Even a Phd from Oxford in English ain't gonna fix that on VOX.
I have a soft spot for helping scout for GV. It's fun talking a tanker right up to nailing a hidden GV in the bushes. Like being a small boy hawking loogies off a busy overpass. Repressed Wirbel Hostility Syndrom.
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I would agree with most of what you said with the exception of "spitfire dropping in". When I hear that on range I figure it's time to look around a bit more.
shamus
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TLDR :neener:
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I honestly have no clue how many GV'ers don't see the enemy tanks driving past 13 feet away.
My only guess is that they are sitting in position 2 and don't go to the other positions often enough to be aware of the enemy all around them.
I regularly drive long distances or simply circle around a field to come from a direction other than the spawn and can usually drive right past the enemy on thier own field and drop troops off from among the trees near the radar tower.
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I think are right on, MrGeezer. I would add one suggestion. If you are calling that a particular field needs help, include the sector, so we can find it on the map easier.
"Alert A70", would become "Alert A70, sector15,9", or something like that.
I often have a terrible time finding a particular field on the map. :bhead
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I think are right on, MrGeezer. I would add one suggestion. If you are calling that a particular field needs help, include the sector, so we can find it on the map easier.
"Alert A70", would become "Alert A70, sector15,9", or something like that.
I often have a terrible time finding a particular field on the map. :bhead
.move (field #)
Or
Right click map > War Status > Select field, and it'll be highlighted.
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I didn't waste my time reading this thread. :aok
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I think everyone communicates :rofl
When I am CO of all the squads on Knights I will be laying the law down and saying some harsh words :old:
If people refuse to communicate they should not bother speaking :old:
I thank you :old:
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Thank you for the post geezer I agree with everything you said. :salute
BluBerry
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Are you in a squad geezer?
Alot of squads have thier own comms channels ie Ventrillo or teamspek this might be why your not getting information.
I get regular info about height direction etc of people in game, I think its because i do the same.
You could come onto The GFC ventrillo comms if you want, you wont getting any sense out of us though because we are old and Senile. :)
I go on The Few ventrilo a lot but everyone loggs or falls a sleep when i speak :)
If you do get shot down from behind you should really check your six more often :)
hurrah!
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:huh :huh :huh Now this :headscratch: :headscratch: Time wasted :huh :huh :headscratch: :headscratch:
I didn't waste my time reading this thread. :aok
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I didn't waste my time reading this thread. :aok
This is another reason why you have much much more to learn.
I have done the Base Rolling and do Agree with almost everything you said but I think most know by now Communication is key to rolling a base. :salute
Ty for Posting Geezer. :salute :cheers:
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:huh :huh :huh Now this :headscratch: :headscratch: Time wasted :huh :huh :headscratch: :headscratch:
Go easy on him.
I thought he was above this but obviously not yet.
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Again don't listen to Bone he likes Budwieser beer.
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Alot of squads have thier own comms channels ie Ventrillo or teamspek this might be why your not getting information.
That's the very itneresting thing I stumbled across a long time ago:
At US prime time, with many more players online that at offpeak ('Euro') time, there is notably less useful communication on the open channels. More players but less info is being spread... :uhoh
I guess those squads do only use their internal comms.
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or maybe no one likes Geezeer :)
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I communicate with Zack all the time........after all, he is a great musician and has lots of info on pies and stuff...... :old:
P.S ...The only geezer in here is Zack..... :aok
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:rofl
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"check 12......the troops are running right past your tank for the map room"
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I try to call out as much as possible. Sometimes my SA fails me and I'm engaged before I can type it out but when I do have the time:
1. Aircraft type
2. Position
3. Altitude
4. Heading
Example: B17's, West of 71, 23k, heading East.
It is very seldom I miss calling out bombers. I figure they are community property and they should be shared :devil
Fighters I try to call out when there is more than one, or if I am scared, or both.
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It's very difficult to give accurate information when in GVs. You can't just say "by the red barn" because there are an infinite number of identical red barns. The entire terrain is just a collection of unnamed repeating features that all look the same so it is difficult, or often impossible, to single any location out. You can only hope to reference position to friendly icons, but due to the limitations of screen resolution, it is often hard to tell which direction the friendly is pointing to give him an o'clock heading to the target. The only place there are actual location names is in the town. The streets are named and supposedly you could say the enemy tank is at the corner of Hyteks and Suds, but I've never seen anyone ever do that. Of course the addition of the Storch has improved GV location greatly.
However, the OP is right: there's lots of utterly useless information given. My favorite is "There's a tank over there in those trees".
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why would I put out on country where a nme CV is...so the bomber guys can come along and destroy the thing and ruin a damn good fight.
no thanks :aok
<--- Guilty! So stop me by (gasp!) fighting me. ;)
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<--- Guilty! So stop me by (gasp!) fighting me. ;)
bombers just tear me up, most often I leave them alone....I generally don't care what you guys bomb....just sux when bomber guys do it to ruin a good fight...not saying you are one of those guys...hell I would be quite surprised if I heard you bombed something to ruin a fight.