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Title: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: AKKuya on July 25, 2012, 06:02:43 AM

Due to the current server crashes in Late War Arena, the AvA staff has graciously offered to host the 8th Air Force vs Luftwaffe Missions in their arena.

To the AvA staff :  :salute

What this means is that we get to use the Battle of Britian map for the high altitude bombing mission!!!! 

This was done very quickly so the mission will be very simple.

The 8th Air Force will strike A78 and it's town.

Stampf, you're list has been granted.  Luftwaffe defenders should start coordinating with Stampf to be in proper positioning for attacking the buffs.  My only request is to hold off from crossing the English Channel until 30 minutes after buffs liftoff.  After that, LW has free will to roam all skies.

8th AF Mission will liftoff at 9PM EST/ 8PM CST Thursday 26 July 12

Tell all your friends, squaddies and enemies to be there.

 :salute

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Mister Fork on July 25, 2012, 09:01:29 AM

:x

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Condor11 on July 25, 2012, 12:48:59 PM

This should be fun :)
 :D

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: AKKuya on July 25, 2012, 01:17:17 PM

We will need some players to be in Late war arena on all countries getting the word out about the big brawl.  Maybe a couple to head over to Midwar and Early War also.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Stampf on July 25, 2012, 05:05:36 PM

Excellent idea here.  Big <S> to Kuya and the AvA staff.

Let's bring some hardcore action to the AvA arena on Thursday Nights.  8th AF vrs. Luftwaffe! on the BoB map.  The Luftwaffe pilots will have the choice of the following fine Irons to intercept with:

Bf109G-14
Bf109K-4
Bf110G-2
Bf410
Fw190A-8
Fw190D-9
FwTa152

Be pretty cool to pack the arena and really put up a show.  A couple hours of good time flying with a whole bunch of guys splitting into two teams and slugging it out.  JG11 will be there, and everyone is welcome to wing up with us.  Bring your squads, friends, and cocktail of choice.  You will have to leave the spits and La's for a couple hours though. 

Be sexy.  FLY LUFTWAFFE!

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: KCDitto on July 25, 2012, 06:52:36 PM

I have stuff going on that night so I may have to leave early but should be there at 6

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: SIK1 on July 25, 2012, 06:56:26 PM

So the Thursday mission is going to be held in the AvA instead of the MA?

SWEET!  :x This should be epic.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: AKKuya on July 25, 2012, 08:44:36 PM

Quote from: SIK1 on July 25, 2012, 06:56:26 PM

So the Thursday mission is going to be held in the AvA instead of the MA?

SWEET!  :x This should be epic.

The AvA staff has expressed an interest in hosting the event there.  Like Stampf said, bring all the people you know and draft your friends and relatives.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: 33Vortex on July 26, 2012, 03:49:11 AM

Big  :aok for this one!

 :airplane:

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: tunnelrat on July 26, 2012, 09:22:45 AM

The Me-410 was removed from front line duty and relegated to high altitude reconnaissance from the Summer of 1944 onward...

So, they would not have participated in "Der Grosse Schlag" in November of 1944, correct?

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Slate on July 26, 2012, 09:34:52 AM

Quote from: tunnelrat on July 26, 2012, 09:22:45 AM

The Me-410 was removed from front line duty and relegated to high altitude reconnaissance from the Summer of 1944 onward...

So, they would not have participated in "Der Grosse Schlag" in November of 1944, correct?

  Would not every asset be thrown against incoming Bombers to Germany? Including an armed recon wing upon finding the bombersthey would not just RTB.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Frodo on July 26, 2012, 09:46:15 AM

 :aok

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: tunnelrat on July 26, 2012, 09:52:19 AM

Quote from: Slate on July 26, 2012, 09:34:52 AM

  Would not every asset be thrown against incoming Bombers to Germany? Including an armed recon wing upon finding the bombersthey would not just RTB.

The 410s were removed from the Defense of The Reich because they were getting slaughtered, in favor of single engine fighters.

Planes in the high altitude reconnaissance role tend to be either lightly armed or completely unarmed.

I have no idea whether or not the actual ~500 plane sortie that took place included Hornets or not, but they were definitely removed from the buff hunting gig Summer of '44 due to losses to escorting fighters.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: tunnelrat on July 26, 2012, 11:17:03 AM

For that matter, Bf-110's ceased being employed against escorted formations in the Spring of 1944.

The last Der Grosse Schlag: http://www.ahevents.org/events/scenarios/previous-scenarios/49-european-theatre/870-der-grosse-schlag-07.html

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Condor11 on July 26, 2012, 12:28:07 PM

Internets getting screwy. Hopefully itll be fixed by liftoff

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: 10thmd on July 26, 2012, 01:17:33 PM

Hope to crush some big four engine bombers.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Lusche on July 26, 2012, 01:27:04 PM

AvA stats will skyrocket after tonight  :rock

(403 kills in the AvA in this tour so far)

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: 33Vortex on July 26, 2012, 02:25:22 PM

Kurt Tank percieved early the need for single-engined fighters in the zerstörer role and proposed the Ta152A/B to the RLM in sept/oct '43 as a replacement for the Bf110/Me410 fleet. The armament of the 152A/B would have been the MG151/20, two in front of the cockpit, two in the wing roots and two outboard. Topped off with a Mk108 or Mk103 engine mounted it would have been a potent package. The 152A/B would have used the Jumo 213A (which was later used in the FW190 D-9 with great success). At the time however (late '43) the 213A was a underpowered option to the BMW radials, and the RLM turned down the Ta152A/B types (B was intended for nachtjagd) for, as they put it, "it offers no advantages over existing types" (meaning the Bf109G and FW190A). They were wrong however in that regard, as the Ta152 had far bigger development potential as was later proven, both by the FW190D and the Ta152H.

Had the Ta152A/B types been given production status, they would have started coming off the lines by january-february of '44.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: chris3 on July 26, 2012, 02:32:05 PM

moin

i think going to AvA isn t a good idea for that event. it was just growing interest in the MA and now it should go to an arena which is mostly emty?!
im sure we will have more fun staying in MA.

cu christian

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: 33Vortex on July 26, 2012, 03:03:03 PM

For many participating in this thursday night "event", the historical aspect of gameplay is important and going to the AvA will reinforce that historical aspect. The MA is about as ahistorical as it can get within the AH environment. It kindof shatters the experience flying with a pack of 190s in formation when a "friendly" P51 come in blurting out all kinds of unimaginables on range. Or at the very least it hurts the eyes and ears. I guess that's the sort of MA-spicing we all would like to escape by going to the AvA.

If you think the MA is so great, just stay there.  :aok

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: chris3 on July 26, 2012, 03:26:57 PM

moin

i haven t said the ma is great, only that it would be a better place for that event.
i like the big formations and taktikal fliing of the escorts in that missions.
all the action during the flight with the mission thrue the countrys.
it was alot of fun a lot of action and surly a lot of unexpected enemys.

but imagine the 8th mission in the AvA Arena when only 40 peoples are on on both sides. much less action and for me much less fun.

dont understand me wrong, it will be a good time for you in the AvA but for me it will be nothing to get out of the bed at 3 o clock at the morning  ;). the MA 8th mission was.

cu christian

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: 33Vortex on July 26, 2012, 03:33:35 PM

Well I'm not sure I'm going up at 2 or 3 am either for this thing, just that it seems a heck of a lot more likely that I will now that it is to be on a more historical setup in the AvA.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: AKKuya on July 26, 2012, 03:38:57 PM

One of the things that will happen when the bugs get worked out is the AI bombers and fighters.  Eventually, there will be 50 formations of bombers instead of 15-20.  There will be AI fighters patrolling on both sides.

Lots of imagination to designing the missions without limiting to real life players comprising the only aircraft in the arena.

Moving from the MA, the 8th AF Mission gets the BoB map.  That changes the enviroment to more historical missions.  That down the road leads to detailed mission objectives and planning for both sides.

In a couple of months, I would like to add liberation of Occupied Airfields from France and low lying countries then to Germany herself.  That involves dual missions.  High altitude bombing of rear bases and base capture starting with coastline bases.  The Axis can always retake what has been lost and try to get across the channel.

With the AI, there will be lots of ways to make an event unique.

For right now, the modus operandi is keeping it simple.  Adding to it when the time is right.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Stampf on July 26, 2012, 04:16:29 PM

TunnelRat - The plane set for these missions does not mirror DGSII.  This is independent of the upcoming scenario and designed to give folks a wider choice of A/C to pursue the fun in.  And as Kuya mentions...is evolving all the time.

Kuya..Big storms here..may gey knocked out.  Hope not.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: AKKuya on July 26, 2012, 05:08:15 PM

Quote from: Stampf on July 26, 2012, 04:16:29 PM

TunnelRat - The plane set for these missions does not mirror DGSII.  This is independent of the upcoming scenario and designed to give folks a wider choice of A/C to pursue the fun in.  And as Kuya mentions...is evolving all the time.

Kuya..Big storms here..may gey knocked out.  Hope not.

Understood, stay safe.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: tunnelrat on July 26, 2012, 10:56:26 PM

Quote from: Stampf on July 26, 2012, 04:16:29 PM

TunnelRat - The plane set for these missions does not mirror DGSII.  This is independent of the upcoming scenario and designed to give folks a wider choice of A/C to pursue the fun in.  And as Kuya mentions...is evolving all the time.

Kuya..Big storms here..may gey knocked out.  Hope not.

Gotcha, thanks!!

I made a different post regarding it, because DGS II has them listed.

Awesome time in the AvA tonight!

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: Stampf on July 26, 2012, 10:59:20 PM

...quite a site.

First pass...the 11th gets a good clean run in from the weak side.

(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/ahfilm87.jpg)

passing through...

(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/ahfilm870.jpg)

and out the other side...this time.

(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/ahfilm887.jpg)


<S> 8th AF

 

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: jimson on July 27, 2012, 12:59:45 AM

Had to work, wish I could have been there.

Thanks for coming over tonight guys, we appreciate it.

Title: Re: 8th AF Mission in Axis Vs Allied Arena
Post by: M1A1 on July 27, 2012, 05:28:39 AM

Great fun last night fighter jocks on both sides did a great job kept us Buff drivers on our toes.  :salute