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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: flight17 on July 28, 2012, 03:41:39 AM
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Anyone have one? Specifically a 2006-2008 year?
I'm looking into getting my "first car", the first I will be paying for... And have seen a couple around my area for 15,500. I really want a 2010 mustange but I cant convince my parents to let me get it as its just out of my monthly range currently.
But I have always liked the beamers.
One thing I'm curious about though, what is it that's needing fixed at ~100,000 miles? I have seen it said multiple times online while trying to find a cost of ownership, but it never says exactly what's going out on them.
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without having a clue about your situation...
if your parents still have a say in what you buy, i'd say just drop ~$5000 cash on whatever does what you need a vehicle to do, and be done with it.
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My friend had a 328i Sport and I was unimpressed with the handling and power delivery. I believe the American version has softer suspension.
At 100,000 miles potentially anything will need replacing (depending on the history). If you can do the work yourself parts can be obtained through specialist German suppliers (in Europe anyway). BMW tends to be a bit on the expensive side for maintenance, but someone like Cap1 would be able to give you local knowledge.
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I saw a diesel BMW bike once :old:
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BMW are great cars, smooth to drive and are quite comfortable - I have a 2007 BMW M5 which I am fixing to trade for few reasons -
Gas mileage - frankly 10mpg in the city is absolutely a joke, it has a massive V10 engine which gives you an amazing amount of power for such a car but again the gas mileage is like 15 or so on the highway.
Secondly at 100k you can't guess what will go wrong, but I will tell you this: BMW and Audi car's are twice as expensive to repair then anything else - TWICE as expensive - you need a specific mechanic that deals in foreign car's, secondly the parts are foreign as well.
Mine has 162,000 miles and haven't had to do much out of maintenance but for example my power window motor died and it was over $600 to replace it (foreign body mechanic who special in bmw's plus the part needed) my Ford Ranger was only $70 including the mechanic fee.
Honestly unless your parents are dropping a huge dime for the car, I would look into something with more gas mileage and far cheaper of a car - save your self from huge repair bills later on.
I am actually in the process of trading mine in for drop down value of 19k just to get rid of it - it was a nice ride for the time bein my first business and sports car - but for now it was a total money pit and i spent more on this car in one repair bill then I spent entirely for all the years I had my Ford Ranger truck.
Going to look at a four door toyota tundra - i'd be happy with full sized truck and 20mpg gas again.
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make sure its got full BMW/specialist service stamps, eg. cambelt should have been done at ?60k.
otherwise the suspension bushes will be shot by 100k so budget for that, almost certainly will need clutch soon too if it hasnt been done yet.
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Don't gangsters drive BMW's ?
And live in Hoods or something?
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Don't gangsters drive BMW's ?
And live in Hoods or something?
No, that would be caddy's lol.
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BMW's are for girls, get a Jaguar!
:P
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BMW's are for girls, get a Jaguar!
:P
Those are for old men
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I have a Russian family that lives next to me, there son who is now 17 has been helping and working with his dad and older brother since he was 13/14, now owns his second Audi a4? a5? a something, any way I think there are fairly inexpensive for a used model and they look pretty sharp.
without having a clue about your situation...
if your parents still have a say in what you buy, i'd say just drop ~$5000 cash on whatever does what you need a vehicle to do, and be done with it.
I'd say, have Him work for the 5k...and then let him have a little say in what he is getting.... providing he is still at his parents house, under their ins and eating their food. :aok
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Anyone have one? Specifically a 2006-2008 year?
I'm looking into getting my "first car", the first I will be paying for... And have seen a couple around my area for 15,500. I really want a 2010 mustange but I cant convince my parents to let me get it as its just out of my monthly range currently.
But I have always liked the beamers.
One thing I'm curious about though, what is it that's needing fixed at ~100,000 miles? I have seen it said multiple times online while trying to find a cost of ownership, but it never says exactly what's going out on them.
As long as it's low mileage you can't go wrong with a beemer. 3 series are great cars.
i see them "nickel and dime" their owners around 100k miles though. had a 7 series that needed a few grand of work, including a phantom steering vibration. bmw couldn't find that either.
had an 04 3 series needing a new degas bottle, new lower control arm bushings, valve cover gaskets, and some other stuff. i have an o4 3 series in the bay right now that's cost its owner about $5k in the last 7 months. right now, it's got a phantom oil leak. i can't pinpoint it. yet.
i've seen ball joints go bad, tie rods, etc, but those are basic maintenance.
now.....if you're very young, and this is your first car, then stay away, 'cause there aint nothing cheap to fix on them.
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As long as it's low mileage you can't go wrong with a beemer. 3 series are great cars.
now.....if you're very young, and this is your first car, then stay away, 'cause there aint nothing cheap to fix on them.
Both sentences are the absolute truth.
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Why don't you just take this theme to its absurd extreme and get a 1999 porsche 911 with an already leaking rear main seal? It'll be fast, expensive, dangerous, impossible to maintain and even harder to sell. You'll get a couple girls excited, but in the end, you'll understand that you shouldn't buy any 911 older than 2005, and maybe learn a thing or two about talking your way out of a speeding ticket.
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I have a 2008 328i. Very nice car with 33k miles. Almost any thing you do to the car has to be coded into the electronics. If you need a new battery for instance, you can figure on a five hundred dollar bill. The car has to be programmed so it knows it has a new one so it can charge and maintain correctly. You are required to use the best grade of fuel available. If you lose your key you can figure on 200+ dollars and it has to be programmed and ordered from BMW dealer.
I'm on.a.smartphone and I don't want to type forever. Go read some BMW forums and see for yourself what you may be facing. Bimmerforums dot com is one place to start. When I get home in a few days I can point you to other stuff and what you can expect.
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I would give Audi a chance, particularly the A6.
I bought a 2001 A6 2.7T instead of the BMW specifically because I found the interior to be superior (the BMW used those giant plastic buttons that are the same material as the dash for example) The drive train to be superior in terms of equivalent price (I was in the $10K to 15K range) and I got a 6spd bi-turbo with awd, compared with a 5spd na v6 2wd.
Lastly the Audi's subtle lines and smooth curves gave a nice subtleness to a fantastic machine without screaming our I DRIVE A BMW LOOK AT ME!
Neither of these are cheap to fix btw. Replacing a thermostat...yes a THERMOSTAT in my audi required $300 and would not be considered easy for a do-it-yourself-er.
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As long as it's low mileage you can't go wrong with a beemer. 3 series are great cars.
i see them "nickel and dime" their owners around 100k miles though. had a 7 series that needed a few grand of work, including a phantom steering vibration. bmw couldn't find that either.
had an 04 3 series needing a new degas bottle, new lower control arm bushings, valve cover gaskets, and some other stuff. i have an o4 3 series in the bay right now that's cost its owner about $5k in the last 7 months. right now, it's got a phantom oil leak. i can't pinpoint it. yet.
i've seen ball joints go bad, tie rods, etc, but those are basic maintenance.
now.....if you're very young, and this is your first car, then stay away, 'cause there aint nothing cheap to fix on them.
I'm 20... The only thing I haven't looked into for them yet is the insurance. But I would be paying for the entire car myself.
I wasn't even remotely considering them until I was looking through the dealers in the area and saw 07s and 08s going for about the same price I was going to spend on my car anyways. I know they are more expensive for parts but was just curious as to how much more. My uncles both work on cars, with one owning his own garage, however, I don't know if they will be able to work on them as it sort of sounds like only BMW dealer can.
If I could only get that mustang in Pheonix... It's exactly what I want...
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I would give Audi a chance, particularly the A6.
I bought a 2001 A6 2.7T instead of the BMW specifically because I found the interior to be superior (the BMW used those giant plastic buttons that are the same material as the dash for example) The drive train to be superior in terms of equivalent price (I was in the $10K to 15K range) and I got a 6spd bi-turbo with awd, compared with a 5spd na v6 2wd.
Lastly the Audi's subtle lines and smooth curves gave a nice subtleness to a fantastic machine without screaming our I DRIVE A BMW LOOK AT ME!
Neither of these are cheap to fix btw. Replacing a thermostat...yes a THERMOSTAT in my audi required $300 and would not be considered easy for a do-it-yourself-er.
audis don't scream much out, 'cause they spend a large portion of their time in the repair shop. :devil
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I'm 20... The only thing I haven't looked into for them yet is the insurance. But I would be paying for the entire car myself.
I wasn't even remotely considering them until I was looking through the dealers in the area and saw 07s and 08s going for about the same price I was going to spend on my car anyways. I know they are more expensive for parts but was just curious as to how much more. My uncles both work on cars, with one owning his own garage, however, I don't know if they will be able to work on them as it sort of sounds like only BMW dealer can.
If I could only get that mustang in Pheonix... It's exactly what I want...
bear in mind, i love my mustangs.....try to not act too shocked at that.......but at your age, the way things are, if the choices are a 3 series, or a mustang.......take the 3 series. you've got plenty of years to get yourself a nice stang.
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SUV with a folding back seat for those times when she's ready right now.
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I'm 20... The only thing I haven't looked into for them yet is the insurance. But I would be paying for the entire car myself.
I wasn't even remotely considering them until I was looking through the dealers in the area and saw 07s and 08s going for about the same price I was going to spend on my car anyways. I know they are more expensive for parts but was just curious as to how much more. My uncles both work on cars, with one owning his own garage, however, I don't know if they will be able to work on them as it sort of sounds like only BMW dealer can.
If I could only get that mustang in Pheonix... It's exactly what I want...
Insurance will be no joke.
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Insurance will be no joke.
As in expensive or really cheap? I'm expecting it to be $200 a month off a pure guess...
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Almost any thing you do to the car has to be coded into the electronics. If you need a new battery for instance, you can figure on a five hundred dollar bill. The car has to be programmed so it knows it has a new one so it can charge and maintain correctly. You are required to use the best grade of fuel available. If you lose your key you can figure on 200+ dollars and it has to be programmed and ordered from BMW dealer.
What a nonsense. :rolleyes:
I'm sending Cap1 over to BMW with a Commando team to sort them out.
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can it tow a boat?
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Yes but it has to be programmed into the 16 onboard computers first. Only $979.99.
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As in expensive or really cheap? I'm expecting it to be $200 a month off a pure guess...
If not a touch more. Honestly, you're throwing money away at your age Flight. You'd be better off with a Fusion/Malibu/used cheaper car than a Beemer and use the money saved over 4-5 years and put a down payment on a house.
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If not a touch more. Honestly, you're throwing money away at your age Flight. You'd be better off with a Fusion/Malibu/used cheaper car than a Beemer and use the money saved over 4-5 years and put a down payment on a house.
This, I rather wish I put my money into a house then a car, then again I laugh when people spend $1500 a month on a nice apartment rather then $700 on a dump, at least you save money for a house that can be just as nice for half the price.
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If not a touch more. Honestly, you're throwing money away at your age Flight. You'd be better off with a Fusion/Malibu/used cheaper car than a Beemer and use the money saved over 4-5 years and put a down payment on a house.
Good point. We bought our house 20 years ago while driving a pair of under $1000 cars. Best investment ever.
Statistically your going to crash the first car you buy whether it's you fault or someone elses. Do you really want to do that to a nice BMW?
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Find a used pontiac G8 GT :) Get the service records and do not buy one with any steering wheel wobble (a known problem with a handful of the cars) but it is a respectable 4-door sedan that can do about 160mph with 361 hp and is easily modifiable to over 500hp.
And you can probably find them fairly cheap. New they cost maybe 2/3 the cost of a comparable taurus SHO and half what an equivalent beemer would cost.
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This, I rather wish I put my money into a house then a car, then again I laugh when people spend $1500 a month on a nice apartment rather then $700 on a dump, at least you save money for a house that can be just as nice for half the price.
sad part about that, is even the dumpy apartments in my little corner of nj run around 1k a month.......
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U know what my first car was? a 1997 Buick Lesabre. Im still driving that thing. Its a great car. Its no chick magnet, but at least it runs. I carry around a picture of the club plane i fly for my chick magnet lol
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If you're short on cash, stay away from German rides. I agree with Butcher. German cars are big big money on parts & labor when the brown stuff that smells strikes an operating fan.
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Used BMW anything is a poor choice for a 20 year olds first car purchase. Too expensive to buy, maintain and insure.
I just bought an '82 Corvette to build up to a race car. This sucker is a snap to work on and it was a daily driver I bought for $4,000. I'll have $10,000 into it and it'll break into the 10s in the quarter mile when I'm done with it. These came from the factory with an anemic 200hp and sucked in performance in almost every way. I'm not saying getting something with antique plates is the way to go but parts are cheap and the basic jobs are all a snap. Worth looking at but only if you're handy with a wrench.
If I was buying a newer car I'd get a Cruze. They're my favorite as rental cars hands down and the LT/LTZ with the leather and comfort goodies are NICE. They even make an SS version which has some good get up and go for a little economy car.
You are hard pressed to kill Hondas. I hate Corollas and Kia's and whatever those little Toyotas are. Look for a used Cruze. I have no idea what they're going for but if I needed a get-around car that's where I'd go. You can also get used 2011 (don't even bother with the '10s) Mustangs in the teens as well. Especially the base model coupes. Plenty of options out there better than a bimmer.
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if you're going new, you can get a nicely equipped focus for about $22k.
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Fusion and Malibu are both cars I wouldn't mind driving and have looked at along with the mustang, Pontiac G8, jetta and passat... I even found a Malibu that I really liked, but I can't get my parents to let me get it because it's 150 miles away...
I really, really like the g8's but there are so few around me and none that seem to be in my price range.
I'm looking to finance about 12k with 3k down in cash, for a monthly rate of 200-250$
The worst thing with my selection is that I have a somewhat expensive taste. I have two older siblings that both have really nice cars and so it's rubbed off on me. My car now is an 02 cavalier base with 207k miles on it lol. It was my sisters first car.
My two main requirements are: leather seating and a moonroof if it's available as an option.
As per g8s, I have found multiple ones that are low miles but are really low priced on cars.com
It seems they are too low to be true. Is it just me being paranoid or is this sort of the norm with this model?
This is the one I really want but at 9700$ for the most expensive model produced, it's either a pos or a scam...
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=95541215&listingRecNum=2&criteria=prMx%3D20000%26sf1Dir%3DASC%26prMn%3D0%26mkId%3D20035%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D21186%26rd%3D500%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoPrice%26zc%3D16115%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national&listType=1
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It's a scam actually, I took a screen shot of the listing a few days ago and I just looked again and it's listed under a completely different dealer now but with all the same contact info... :(
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It's a scam actually, I took a screen shot of the listing a few days ago and I just looked again and it's listed under a completely different dealer now but with all the same contact info... :(
SUV. Big backseat.
Laugh at the greenies when you show them your shagmobile.
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hey flight17 ever think about a mazda speed3 used, a bud found one for around that price its got some giddyup to it and can be pretty fuel efficient
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Fusion and Malibu are both cars I wouldn't mind driving and have looked at along with the mustang, Pontiac G8, jetta and passat... I even found a Malibu that I really liked, but I can't get my parents to let me get it because it's 150 miles away...
I really, really like the g8's but there are so few around me and none that seem to be in my price range.
I'm looking to finance about 12k with 3k down in cash, for a monthly rate of 200-250$
The worst thing with my selection is that I have a somewhat expensive taste. I have two older siblings that both have really nice cars and so it's rubbed off on me. My car now is an 02 cavalier base with 207k miles on it lol. It was my sisters first car.
My two main requirements are: leather seating and a moonroof if it's available as an option.
As per g8s, I have found multiple ones that are low miles but are really low priced on cars.com
It seems they are too low to be true. Is it just me being paranoid or is this sort of the norm with this model?
This is the one I really want but at 9700$ for the most expensive model produced, it's either a pos or a scam...
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=95541215&listingRecNum=2&criteria=prMx%3D20000%26sf1Dir%3DASC%26prMn%3D0%26mkId%3D20035%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D21186%26rd%3D500%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoPrice%26zc%3D16115%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national&listType=1
Personally, I would get a Fusion, Malibu, etc. You're young still and the housing market is ripe. Wait until you're older and out of college, then get a home. After you get that settled, get the expensive car if you then wish. Most of us have been in your shoes. I have had two Milan's with the Moonroof. 4 cyl,16 gallon tank, 500 miles a fill up and only one recall in 6 years (not counting the TSB's.)
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Personally, I would get a Fusion, Malibu, etc. You're young still and the housing market is ripe. Wait until you're older and out of college, then get a home. After you get that settled, get the expensive car if you then wish. Most of us have been in your shoes. I ahve had two Milan's with the Moonroof. 4 cyl,16 gallon tank, 500 miles a fill up and only one recall in 6 years (not counting the TSB's.
bolded......and some of us have made the mistake that you're being advised against.
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hey flight17 ever think about a mazda speed3 used, a bud found one for around that price its got some giddyup to it and can be pretty fuel efficient
My brother-in-law had a Mazda six that I was actually going to buy from them, but it had issues with the engine so I didn't. But. Yes I'm considering hem as well. However, my uncle has said to try and stay away from them if possible be ause he gets a lot in at the shop.
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I have an E30 chassis 325is. Old, high mileage, worn away paint, a bit leaky... puts a smile on my face every time I turn it on. I haven't driven that many cars, but it's definitely the most fun I've ever had on four wheels. It's not bad on gas, either.
E30s are becoming classics and they're cheap... if you can find a really nice mint one you probably won't be paying more than $5,000 for it. In my opinion they're some of the best looking cars ever made.
Kind of random opinion I suppose, but classic BMW's are really, really cool.
Don't gangsters drive BMW's ?
And live in Hoods or something?
In America luxury=size, so no. You'll never see a gangster driving around a little 3 series coupe. More likely a Cadillac or some giant SUV. Early-2000s Mercedes have gotten pretty popular, too, and every once in a while you'll see a ghetto'd out 90's 7-series... but you're just as likely to see a 'gangsta' pick up truck.
Pretty much anything 15-20 years old that carries an expensive name and is big but in reality is very very cheap.
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I'm 20... The only thing I haven't looked into for them yet is the insurance. But I would be paying for the entire car myself.
I wasn't even remotely considering them until I was looking through the dealers in the area and saw 07s and 08s going for about the same price I was going to spend on my car anyways. I know they are more expensive for parts but was just curious as to how much more. My uncles both work on cars, with one owning his own garage, however, I don't know if they will be able to work on them as it sort of sounds like only BMW dealer can.
If I could only get that mustang in Pheonix... It's exactly what I want...
Honestly, imho, you're starting at the wrong place in your search. Grab a tasty beverage and go sweep your uncles garage for an hour, chat him up. Not only will he have advice and answers to your questions, but he might have something in his back lot that a customer hasn't yet paid the bill on in over 6-12 months.
As in expensive or really cheap? I'm expecting it to be $200 a month off a pure guess...
CA is different than PA, but rough guesstiamtion would be at least in the 300s, especialy if it's a 2-door ("sport") and you age.... which I'm only guessing, but since you also want a stang, the sportier ones are probabley what you really want, so yeah, if this were CA I would say with confidence that I wouldn't be surprised if it hit 4 bills.
In your shoes, I wouldn't buy the (or any) 100k-mile beamer. Experience has taught me the person/mechanic that I trust to be fixing my cars is about as critical to the decision made as my personal tastes in a vehicle when selecting one.
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Knowing that you are financing it...
I strongly recommend getting a cheap reliable beater and paying cash. Get the best civic or whatever you can get with your CASH, and start saving your pennies so you can buy a new car with CASH.
Car loans are for suckers. Really. Go to the country club estates, ask anyone on the street walking their dog if they have a car payment... They'll all say no, car loans are for suckers. If you don't want to be poor, then don't do what poor people do. Want to be in a comfortable situation with money, do what the rich people do. Don't be in debt for ANYTHING. House mortgage is ok for a while, but pay cash or do without for everything else.
Seriously.
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To build on what eagl said and taking into account your age, a small affordable car loan will help establish some good credit history. Do not buy at the top end of what you can afford however. Keep it small and simple with a low interest rate. All those things are negotiable and don't be shy about walking away from a deal to get what you're looking for.
After I lost my job in early 2007 I had to settle some store credit accounts I owed on because I bought what I could afford and could no longer afford them with a 60% pay cut. Harsh reality. Fast forward when I start looking for a house early last year and had gotten in the habit of paying cash for everything I wanted (guns, computer, truck, etc) I needed some recent GOOD credit history to get my score on the rise. Well anybody can get a car loan so I bought a car. (the Mustang) I put some money down and took 5 years at 1.9% for the lowest monthly obligation (knowing I'm throwing more than that at it each month, which will save you a lot of money) to show in capable of paying more than just my rent and electric bill.
Well it worked. I picked up a 3.5% fixed interest rate on a conventional 30 year mortgage because my credit score went from not good into the 700s.
Auto loans are bad business for buyers but they can also serve a purpose (at a cost) if you use them sparingly.
This isn't advice to go finance the upper limit of what you can afford. It's saying make your budget less than $10,000 for something reliable and pay it off in a few years.
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U know what my first car was? a 1997 Buick Lesabre. Im still driving that thing. Its a great car. Its no chick magnet, but at least it runs. I carry around a picture of the club plane i fly for my chick magnet lol
Nice car
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Knowing that you are financing it...
I strongly recommend getting a cheap reliable beater and paying cash. Get the best civic or whatever you can get with your CASH, and start saving your pennies so you can buy a new car with CASH.
Car loans are for suckers. Really. Go to the country club estates, ask anyone on the street walking their dog if they have a car payment... They'll all say no, car loans are for suckers. If you don't want to be poor, then don't do what poor people do. Want to be in a comfortable situation with money, do what the rich people do. Don't be in debt for ANYTHING. House mortgage is ok for a while, but pay cash or do without for everything else.
Seriously.
Eagle and Golfer have good points, but I will chime in that car loans are fine, but only with the more money/cash you can put down upon the purchase, this more than your credit score or anything else HEAVILY dictates the quality or any favor a car loan can offer you. Take Golfer's case for example, he had the cash more or less and didn't need the loan for any other reason than to build his credit score. Walked in and walked out with probabley the lowest interest rate loan available from them and for 5-years.
If you walk into a dealer and have 1/4-1/2 the cost of the car in your pocket with you, you can essentialy (within reason) write the terms of your X-year car loan (demand the lowest interest, first and or last month's payment free, whatever you can think of that you know they have or can do including throwing in freebies for your car). It's a multiple win for the dealer all around so make sure you get your deal too - they write a relatively low-risk loan (if you have a job, parents co-sign, and then your chunk of $), cleared inventory, and pocketed some cash.
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first car was a 97' escort. now i have a civic. always liked the idea of throwin 15 in the tank being able to drive for a week. have to deal with gettin revved at by car bullys in their 300+hp cars, whatever after they burn off i always meet up at the next red light :D
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first car was a 97' escort. now i have a civic. always liked the idea of throwin 15 in the tank being able to drive for a week. have to deal with gettin revved at by car bullys in their 300+hp cars, whatever after they burn off i always meet up at the next red light :D
i used to be able to do that with my 67 mustang. back when gas was some semblance of cheap.
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Bought this over modified e-30 2 years ago...$3200
can't seem get photo here..but most important..change timing belt, tensioner & water pump if any doubt not done in 80,000 miles
I do that myself, not too hard on E-30's...my best parts cars have been beauties that people did not do that to...
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I have an E39 535i which just this month clocked up a tad over 250000km (155000mi) and it's been rock solid.
It's a baby quad cam V8 that gets better fuel efficiency than my V6 Calais got and it absolutely kicks it's arse in every department. 0-100km/h (0-60mph) while a little slow at a tad over 7 seconds 80-160km/h (50-160mph)will come up in as little as three seconds when passing slow traffic on the highway, so it's easy to get into trouble with if you don't pay attention, and it will easily reach speeds in excess of 200km/h (120mph) and feel absolutely steady and firmly stuck to the road. The only drama I've had has been the regulators on the rear windows but there is a repair kit that you can get from the USA for US$20 that fixes it permanently.
My Eldest son has a 328i and he quite likes it.
Parts are as cheap as pretty much any other car, you just have to not be a lazy arse and go find them. If you rely on the shop to source them for you you deserve what you get.
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Well, I finally got a car tonight. I get to pick it up tomorrow...
I got a black, 2008, Chevy Malibu LTZ. It's completely loaded and only has 36,500 miles on it. I got a great deal for it too. Pics tomorrow!
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Well, I finally got a car tonight. I get to pick it up tomorrow...
I got a black, 2008, Chevy Malibu LTZ. It's completely loaded and only has 36,500 miles on it. I got a great deal for it too. Pics tomorrow!
In 5-6 years, will look back on your decision and know you made the right decision.
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Well, I finally got a car tonight. I get to pick it up tomorrow...
I got a black, 2008, Chevy Malibu LTZ. It's completely loaded and only has 36,500 miles on it. I got a great deal for it too. Pics tomorrow!
YOU WILL be much much happier with this car than you ever could've been with the beemer at this point. :aok WTG sir.
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Well, I finally got a car tonight. I get to pick it up tomorrow...
I got a black, 2008, Chevy Malibu LTZ. It's completely loaded and only has 36,500 miles on it. I got a great deal for it too. Pics tomorrow!
Nice ride, can't wait for the pics.
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Secondly at 100k you can't guess what will go wrong, but I will tell you this: BMW and Audi car's are twice as expensive to repair then anything else - TWICE as expensive - you need a specific mechanic that deals in foreign car's, secondly the parts are foreign as well.
Not quite true. Bugatti / Ferrari / Porsche / Maserati etc. are way way more expensive to repair for example :)
A regular 75000 mile service costs around 7000 dollars to a Porsche 911 turbo. Just regular service with no repairs of any sort :)
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your kidding :o the specialists near me do a regular 60k/6yr major service on a turbo for about £800 inc aircon, brake fluid, plugs and all the other usual stuff. iirc even OPCs do it for less than £1k ...
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your kidding :o the specialists near me do a regular 60k/6yr major service on a turbo for about £800 inc aircon, brake fluid, plugs and all the other usual stuff. iirc even OPCs do it for less than £1k ...
over here, we pay much more, simply due to the name. i've paid over $700 for an audi cat assembly that shouldn't have cost more than 200-300.
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your kidding :o the specialists near me do a regular 60k/6yr major service on a turbo for about £800 inc aircon, brake fluid, plugs and all the other usual stuff. iirc even OPCs do it for less than £1k ...
The turbo 911 is extremely cramped in the back due to multiple intercoolers etc.
A regular 'small' service is in the playground of 1500 euros so I don't see how they could do the major service for that price.
Brake pads for front alone go for around 300 euros (original Porsche GT3/Turbo) :)
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PS prices are all pretty similar here, OPC ~50% more iirc (porsche uk price page is down atm), for 987T:
inspection only £150
20k/2yr minor service £300 + £100 brake fluid change
40k/4yr major service £500 + £100 brake fluid change
60k/6yr major service £800 + £100 brake fluid change (includes plugs and drive belts)
not sure why everyone lists brake fluid separately when its recommended every 2yrs :headscratch:
(I'm not looking for a 987T but noticed the service schedule/costs while I was looking at something else recently :uhoh)
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A buddy of mine has a 1979 Mercedes-Benz 450SEL 6.9 for sale. 60K original miles with the biggest gas V8 Mercedes ever produced and well under your price cap. Includes 1-3 spare hood ornaments, original tool kit and car cover as well as a current parts catalog.
(http://www.classicdriver.com/upload/images/_de/2867/img04.jpg)
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^ very nice :aok
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i want a 2005 BMW 325xi sooo bad
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your kidding :o the specialists near me do a regular 60k/6yr major service on a turbo for about £800 inc aircon, brake fluid, plugs and all the other usual stuff. iirc even OPCs do it for less than £1k ...
over here, we pay much more, simply due to the name. i've paid over $700 for an audi cat assembly that shouldn't have cost more than 200-300.
Hey Holmes, how much for a 60k/6yr major service on a Cadillac around the corner from you? :noid :devil
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Hey Holmes, how much for a 60k/6yr major service on a Cadillac around the corner from you? :noid :devil
they prolly don't work on em over there......you know....'cause us americans can't build a car that turns and all that...... :neener:
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My 83 Camaro has a pretty hot 355 in it... Just dropped a T56 6 speed in, and have built the suspension over the past year. I give my Audi friends a run for their money through the twisties. A very under appreciated, wonderful handling V8 equipped car.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7004801670_4c228e1c87_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53106660@N03/7004801670/)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7117/7786357440_56ba2d8637_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53106660@N03/7786357440/)
I get 23-24mpg highway with the 6 speed... Yes it is carbed... has a Holley 600cfm DP
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I was going to say 98 up T/A or Z28 but ^^^ will definately get it done too.
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Worked all day yesterday and didn't get a chance to take any photos, but i took some today.
I was lazy and had the camera set on auto and with the sun position, most of the pics were flooded out with light. I'm going to take new photos tomorrow if i get a chance though.
At the dealer. My old beat up Cavalier next to the Malibu. Taken with my iphone
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/flightsimer/432064_513795465313450_1576669023_n.jpg)
Today
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/flightsimer/IMG_1166.jpg)
Dash, The orange is more of a rust color. When editing it, it changed to more orange.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/flightsimer/IMG_1170.jpg)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/flightsimer/IMG_1167.jpg)
The best part... the Chevy Grill
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/flightsimer/IMG_1164.jpg)
Some others
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(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/flightsimer/IMG_1178.jpg)
Who will win?
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/flightsimer/IMG_1182.jpg)
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Wow that looks like a seriously nice DD. The interior is gorgeous. Enjoy!
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Nice ride. That should serve you much better than where you originally started looking.
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My 83 Camaro has a pretty hot 355 in it... Just dropped a T56 6 speed in, and have built the suspension over the past year. I give my Audi friends a run for their money through the twisties. A very under appreciated, wonderful handling V8 equipped car.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7004801670_4c228e1c87_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53106660@N03/7004801670/)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7117/7786357440_56ba2d8637_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53106660@N03/7786357440/)
I get 23-24mpg highway with the 6 speed... Yes it is carbed... has a Holley 600cfm DP
that's pretty good looking for one of those generation camaros.
check your gap though lower door/fender. :neener:
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that is a gorgeous car. you'll more than likely never get tired of driving it.
the cavalier you traded in didn't actually look too bad either.
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Nice ride. That should serve you much better than where you originally started looking.
Thanks. Ya it probably will. I sat in the back for the first time today when I was showing my little cousin it and was amazed at how much room there actually is back there. I'm six foot tall but still had almost 6 inches in front of my legs. And the trunk is HUGE, though it doesn't look like it would be from the outside. At least it didn't to me.
There is only one thing I don't really like about the Malibus and that is the driver's dash. The panel seems to look like an after thought and not a part of the overall picture. I wish it flowed into the main dash better.
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that is a gorgeous car. you'll more than likely never get tired of driving it.
the cavalier you traded in didn't actually look too bad either.
Thanks Cap. Today I drove around 15miles to "just drive it".
The Cav... Lol... Well it's biggest issue was rusting. The frame was nearly completely rusted out in some spots. The doors were rusting at the bottom and the hood was rusting at both corners from where some truck backed into it at Walmart and for where I hit a deer about 2 years ago. To shut the trunk, I had to tie a string g to the latch that should have been attached to the rear number because that part of the bumper had rusted away and the lid would not grab the latch otherwise. The engine was also starting to go out on it and it was starting to have over heating issues.
It could have had the work done to it to keep it running, but why spend all the money to have have it running when I could get a newer and much better car that will last me a long time. Is final odometer reading for me was 206,858 miles.
It had one last stand though before making it to the dealer. I went to my sister's house before going to the dealer since she was only 10 minutes away from the dealer... It was raining and overcast when I left my house and was still relatively dark for being 9:30, so i had my lights on, as its state law for rain. By the time I got to my sisters, it had cleared up. I parked and went in for about 2 hours.
At 11:30, I went out to start getting the last few things out of the car before I left for the dealer at 12. I walk out and my doors wouldn't unlock with the electric lock. So I was like WTH and unlocked it with my key. I put the key in the ignition to start it and get the windows down and nothing... SONOFABI*CH! Dead battery. Luckily, my sister had a set of jumpers in her trunk that I was able to use to get it going.
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We're actually contemplating doing a mile racer using the 1983 camaro because it's aero actually very good.
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Thanks Cap. Today I drove around 15miles to "just drive it".
The Cav... Lol... Well it's biggest issue was rusting. The frame was nearly completely rusted out in some spots. The doors were rusting at the bottom and the hood was rusting at both corners from where some truck backed into it at Walmart and for where I hit a deer about 2 years ago. To shut the trunk, I had to tie a string g to the latch that should have been attached to the rear number because that part of the bumper had rusted away and the lid would not grab the latch otherwise. The engine was also starting to go out on it and it was starting to have over heating issues.
It could have had the work done to it to keep it running, but why spend all the money to have have it running when I could get a newer and much better car that will last me a long time. Is final odometer reading for me was 206,858 miles.
It had one last stand though before making it to the dealer. I went to my sister's house before going to the dealer since she was only 10 minutes away from the dealer... It was raining and overcast when I left my house and was still relatively dark for being 9:30, so i had my lights on, as its state law for rain. By the time I got to my sisters, it had cleared up. I parked and went in for about 2 hours.
At 11:30, I went out to start getting the last few things out of the car before I left for the dealer at 12. I walk out and my doors wouldn't unlock with the electric lock. So I was like WTH and unlocked it with my key. I put the key in the ignition to start it and get the windows down and nothing... SONOFABI*CH! Dead battery. Luckily, my sister had a set of jumpers in her trunk that I was able to use to get it going.
yea...sounds like she was done........one of the common rust spots i always see in those, is rear subframe rails just behind the tire. i see that a lot here in nj.
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Why do cavaliers always have dents?
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Why do cavaliers always have dents?
around here the most common dents are in the trunk lid. like someone backed into something bigger.
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When I was in high school 50% of my classmate's cars were cavaliers.
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When I was in high school 50% of my classmate's cars were cavaliers.
and there's your answer as to why so many of them have dents. i was trying to be nice and not go there. :bolt:
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and there's your answer as to why so many of them have dents. i was trying to be nice and not go there. :bolt:
No it's your civic duty to go there. Too many potential classic cars get trashed by teenagers who have no idea how to take care of their car.
I can honestly say that the nicest car I've ever owned was the one I had in high school. But it was 20 years old and needed more care and attention than I could give it. Ever since then I've had the mindset that any car I buy will slowly fall apart so there's no point in paying for luxury. I only buy economical cars now and drive them until they're ready for the scrapheap.
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I had my 75 Vega Stationwagon 4WD parked in a store lot once and an elderly woman pulled into the adjacent spot and hit the gas instead of the brakes. Her new caddy went under my Vega and the tow hooks under the front of my vega sliced her hood. I came out after the fact and the little lady was being helped by a few folks. She was shook up and upset. It did nothing to my car as she only caught the lower stump jumper and hooks.
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I had my 75 Vega Stationwagon 4WD parked in a store lot once and an elderly woman pulled into the adjacent spot and hit the gas instead of the brakes. Her new caddy went under my Vega and the tow hooks under the front of my vega sliced her hood. I came out after the fact and the little lady was being helped by a few folks. She was shook up and upset. It did nothing to my car as she only caught the lower stump jumper and hooks.
there's a guy around the corner from my home selling a vega. it looks like it used to be a wagon, or a sedan delivery....either way, the rear's cut to make it like a mini elcamino. v8, but i dunno which one.
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No it's your civic duty to go there. Too many potential classic cars get trashed by teenagers who have no idea how to take care of their car.
I can honestly say that the nicest car I've ever owned was the one I had in high school. But it was 20 years old and needed more care and attention than I could give it. Ever since then I've had the mindset that any car I buy will slowly fall apart so there's no point in paying for luxury. I only buy economical cars now and drive them until they're ready for the scrapheap.
i didn't have a car of my own till i was 21. my grand parents let me use their mustang, or their station wagon. the wagon was surprisingly fast. :devil
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i didn't have a car of my own till i was 21. my grand parents let me use their mustang, or their station wagon. the wagon was surprisingly fast. :devil
QFT on the wagon... I drove the family fairmont wagon for years and the V8 gave it a suprising amount of power and acceleration even with the 3-speed auto tranny. That transmission was AWESOME for what it was, reliable and with positive predictable shifts. If it would have had an overdrive gear it would have been perfect and I'm still kicking myself for not dropping in a different transmission with an OD gear when the transmission died at 190,000 miles.
When the original 255 threw a rod at 98,000ish miles, we rebuilt it using parts from a 302 bronco engine. Gobs of torque was the result, and overall HP didn't matter because it was top speed limited by gear ratio to about 125ish mph with the engine just SCREAMING. No idea what rpm we were turning at that speed since the car had no limiters of any sort and had no tach, but it was far above the rpm used for full throttle upshifts, so we just didn't go that fast very often.
Then I sold the fairmont to my brother and his wife wrecked it the first week they had it. Too bad, it was in awesome shape for an 18 yr old family truckster with 200,000 miles, many of those hauling a trailer or overloaded well beyond spec with a family of 6, full of stuff, and with 2 custom roof carrier boxes also full. Only bent the right rear spring just a bit :)
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QFT on the wagon... I drove the family fairmont wagon for years and the V8 gave it a suprising amount of power and acceleration even with the 3-speed auto tranny. That transmission was AWESOME for what it was, reliable and with positive predictable shifts. If it would have had an overdrive gear it would have been perfect and I'm still kicking myself for not dropping in a different transmission with an OD gear when the transmission died at 190,000 miles.
When the original 255 threw a rod at 98,000ish miles, we rebuilt it using parts from a 302 bronco engine. Gobs of torque was the result, and overall HP didn't matter because it was top speed limited by gear ratio to about 125ish mph with the engine just SCREAMING. No idea what rpm we were turning at that speed since the car had no limiters of any sort and had no tach, but it was far above the rpm used for full throttle upshifts, so we just didn't go that fast very often.
Then I sold the fairmont to my brother and his wife wrecked it the first week they had it. Too bad, it was in awesome shape for an 18 yr old family truckster with 200,000 miles, many of those hauling a trailer or overloaded well beyond spec with a family of 6, full of stuff, and with 2 custom roof carrier boxes also full. Only bent the right rear spring just a bit :)
if you think that 255 had torque......try a 1971 ranch wagon with a 390. i won't tell ya how many camaros and mustangs i surprised with that thing. :devil
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I saw a vega station wagon in the junkyard today.
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not wanting to hijack but I just found a service pricelist from my local OPC:
911 (Type 997) Turbo
Minor service £474 every 12,000 miles or 2 years
Major service £605 every 40,000 miles or 4 years
Replace spark plugs £553 every 40,000 miles or 4 years
Check drive belt £41 every 40,000 miles or 4 years
Additional Maintenance £246 every 60,000 miles or 6 years
Change brake fluid £153 every 2 years
Replace tyre sealant £42 every 4 years
not bad at all ...
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I had my 75 Vega Stationwagon 4WD parked in a store lot once and an elderly woman pulled into the adjacent spot and hit the gas instead of the brakes.
This is a feat only women seem to know how to do. It is inconceivable how they manage to do it.
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This is a feat only women seem to know how to do. It is inconceivable how they manage to do it.
so far this year, 6 people have driven their cars into the wall of the rite-aid across the street from my shop. they were all old. both men and women. they all did the same thing........they hit the gas, rather than the throttle. this is also part of why i'm a believer in left footed braking(at least on an auto trans car)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-BoInzUQHk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-BoInzUQHk)
:rofl
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so far this year, 6 people have driven their cars into the wall of the rite-aid across the street from my shop. they were all old. both men and women. they all did the same thing........they hit the gas, rather than the throttle. this is also part of why i'm a believer in left footed braking(at least on an auto trans car)
Usually people want to hit the brakes instead of gas or throttle when stopping ;)
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Usually people want to hit the brakes instead of gas or throttle when stopping ;)
yea, i know. and they then either forget to pick their foot up off the gas, to put it on the brake, or they try, and miss. again......in favor of left footed braking. it's amazing though, how many people that ride with me, and get scared when they see my left foot go onto the brake pedal. even more amazing, is how many people watch what i'm doing with my feet, lolololl
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yea, i know. and they then either forget to pick their foot up off the gas, to put it on the brake, or they try, and miss. again......in favor of left footed braking. it's amazing though, how many people that ride with me, and get scared when they see my left foot go onto the brake pedal. even more amazing, is how many people watch what i'm doing with my feet, lolololl
As a kid I had a go-cart and a track in the hilly woods my Dad built me next to the house. He geared it down to where it could handle the hills but it didn't have much top end. Drove the heck out of that thing and still have it. As a result left foot braking is completely natural when driving my wife's automatic.
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i didn't have a car of my own till i was 21. my grand parents let me use their mustang, or their station wagon. the wagon was surprisingly fast. :devil
Same here at the moment :P Im 20.
I have also learned left foot braking from gokarts as well, and its also a nice alternative when driving my dads truck. I think it freaks people out less to left foot brake than to suddenly let off the throttle and for it to make a loud klack sound. :noid
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Same here at the moment :P Im 20.
I have also learned left foot braking from gokarts as well, and its also a nice alternative when driving my dads truck. I think it freaks people out less to left foot brake than to suddenly let off the throttle and for it to make a loud klack sound. :noid
What's wrong with your throttle then? :)
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Nothing bad, just that if you let off it quickly(aka slide foot off pedal to hit brake) it tends to spring back up and make a clank noise. :P
That seems to be more unnerving to passengers than them noticing one is left-foot braking.
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Nothing bad, just that if you let off it quickly(aka slide foot off pedal to hit brake) it tends to spring back up and make a clank noise. :P
That seems to be more unnerving to passengers than them noticing one is left-foot braking.
bear in mind, cars are different than gokarts. in a car, your brake pedal is slightly higher than the throttle pedal. because of this, you can't just slide you r foot off the throttle...you need to lift, move, then depress. lots of possibilities for the above mentioned mistakes if ya ask me. but then what do i know? i've only been driving since 79, with only one at fault accident......and that was when i was young, and wasn't paying attention.
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Not trying to sound like I know it all, Cap. :salute (Besides, I am a noob at driving, actually only been driving now for 2-3 years)
Also I feel like an idiot now. Just talked to my dad about that to clarify what causes that clank noise and he told me it has nothing to do with the throttle at all, actually. :(
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Not trying to sound like I know it all, Cap. :salute (Besides, I am a noob at driving, actually only been driving now for 2-3 years)
Also I feel like an idiot now. Just talked to my dad about that to clarify what causes that clank noise and he told me it has nothing to do with the throttle at all, actually. :(
don't worry 'bout it. my comment wasn't aimed at you. you've no clue how many people tell me i'm dangerous due to the way i brake. yet they've had multiple at fault accidents, and i've had one. over 25 years ago. those people are who i was referencing with my comment. i'm a friendly dude on here. :aok
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bear in mind, cars are different than gokarts. in a car, your brake pedal is slightly higher than the throttle pedal. because of this, you can't just slide you r foot off the throttle...you need to lift, move, then depress. lots of possibilities for the above mentioned mistakes if ya ask me. but then what do i know? i've only been driving since 79, with only one at fault accident......and that was when i was young, and wasn't paying attention.
Actually with Walter Röhrl behind the wheel, cars seem a lot like go-karts. Then again people seem to turn into hedgerows and road varmints too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdy8CG09rSU
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I cant think of a good reason to use left foot braking on the road, and if you're doing it properly, you're probably driving too fast, and you'll wreck the drivetrain. Walter is using it in the vid because his quattro has a massive turbo with the associated massive lag. left foot braking lets him keep on the throttle so hes never offboost.
(edit: I do heel'n'toe in everyday driving though :aok)
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I cant think of a good reason to use left foot braking on the road, and if you're doing it properly, you're probably driving too fast, and you'll wreck the drivetrain. Walter is using it in the vid because his quattro has a massive turbo with the associated massive lag. left foot braking lets him keep on the throttle so hes never offboost.
(edit: I do heel'n'toe in everyday driving though :aok)
plenty of good reasons. with an automatic trans car anyway. faster reaction time is one. kind of an important one too.
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I suppose its possible if you will only ever drive autos. never being able to safely drive a manual again seems a big price to pay for a couple of ms off your emergency braking time.
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I spent my lifetime repairing cars that may stall instead of idling so left foot braking technique developed out of need.
I still mostly right foot brake but the skill remains because of said career and early experience with a margay panther kart with a McCullough mc91 engine.
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I suppose its possible if you will only ever drive autos. never being able to safely drive a manual again seems a big price to pay for a couple of ms off your emergency braking time.
i drive both. it's very easy to switch off from one to the other. but then i downshift a lot with manuals too. along with heel/toe....'cept in my dakota. brake pedal's too high to heel/toe in that.