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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tracerfi on July 28, 2012, 03:38:27 PM
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http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Axis/1-Germany/01-Fighters/FwTa-183/FwTa-183.htm
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Axis/1-Germany/German-Airplanes.htm
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Did never exist.
Next wish.
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Did never exist.
Next wish.
it says it entered service in 1945 so how did it not exist
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it says it entered service in 1945 so how did it not exist
It never entered service because it never existed. (Your source is wrong.)
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I added i new link that says 1945 it was made
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I added i new link that says 1945 it was made
Have you ever heard the term "cross checking the information" ? :)
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Have you ever heard the term "cross checking the information" ? :)
ok it was only in the Developmental stage put it was worth i try
Edit: it was post war
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ok it was only in the Developmental stage put it was worth i try
Edit: it was post war
It never existed. Not even post war, there was never a prototype finished.
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It never existed. Not even post war, there was never a prototype finished.
then what i read on wiki was wrong a new never to trust it
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then what i read on wiki was wrong a new never to trust it
Could you show me where wikipedia says "post war" about the Ta 183?
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From the lead blurb on wikipedia's Ta183 page:
It was developed only to the extent of wind tunnel models when the war ended, but the basic design was further developed post-war in Argentina as the FMA Pulqui II
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So Tracerfi misread Wikipedia. :)
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Tracerfi, you really gotta start researching more into what you are posting rather then just going out on a limb, without any credible information the wish ends up like this one - in a wind tunnel :)
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Dr. Tank built it in Argentina. It was developed in the late 40's eventualy flying in 1950.
FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IAe_33_Pulqui_II
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/FMA_IAe_33_Pulqui_II.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Pulqui_II_No.05.jpg)
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Related development, but not a Ta183.
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it says it entered service in 1945 so how did it not exist
Il2 1946 is not a source!!!!!
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OK, so:
1) neither of your links work
2) your links are incorrect
3) it was never built, and so does not meet the paramaters for addition
4) the related aircraft is post war, and so does not meet the paramaters for addition
5) you're being stupid
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OK, so:
5) you're being stupid
Must you be a turd
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Must you be a turd
must you constantly make stupid posts?
the answer to both questions seems to be 'yes'
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Just because you see something in print.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOTDn2A7hcY
(http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/article/789/789769/the-jerk-hd-dvd-20070518110047977-000.jpg)
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moin
maybe will will find out more in 2015.
we have done some reserches at ouer baraks were kurt tank did have his office for Focke Wulf during the war and to some eyewitness tolds us that there was an aircraft like the ta183 in the hangar and has done some flight testing. but the brits took everthing after the war and the papers are still secret :-/.
we hope thay get open in 2015.
cu christian
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I shake my head at this thread.
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The Mig-15 looks suspiciously like the FW Ta-183. Now you don't think the Russians ran off with Kurt Tank's design for a jet fighter do you? Kind of like the German MP-44 and the AK-47 rifles.
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The Mig-15 looks suspiciously like the FW Ta-183. Now you don't think the Russians ran off with Kurt Tank's design for a jet fighter do you? Kind of like the German MP-44 and the AK-47 rifles.
No, in both cases the Russians built their own. Contrary to some people's beliefs, Russians and Japanese people aren't stupid and incapable of creating their own successful designs.
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No, in both cases the Russians built their own. Contrary to some people's beliefs, Russians and Japanese people aren't stupid and incapable of creating their own successful designs.
Yes, that Tu-4 was very unique.
(http://smyth-consulting.org/mil-history/images/tu-4_bull.jpg)
That looks like a B29, those Americans copied another great Russian design! :rofl
(sorry Karnak, you left yourself open to that one)
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Yes, that Tu-4 was very unique.
(http://smyth-consulting.org/mil-history/images/tu-4_bull.jpg)
That looks like a B29, those Americans copied another great Russian design! :rofl
(sorry Karnak, you left yourself open to that one)
They never claimed otherwise, and it is an exact copy. The MiG-15 sorta looks like a Ta183 so people claim it is a copy. See the difference?
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They never claimed otherwise, and it is an exact copy. The MiG-15 sorta looks like a Ta183 so people claim it is a copy. See the difference?
I never said the MiG15 was a copy, I was just picking on you for your comment that the Russians weren't incapable of building their own designs.
If anything, I feel the F86 benefited more from the Me262 (and other German ideas, like the leading edge wing slats) than the Russian designs did at that time. Then again, the Russians really benefited from the British jet engine that was given to them for the MiG15, which is a decision I never understood.
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I never said the MiG15 was a copy, I was just picking on you for your comment that the Russians weren't incapable of building their own designs.
If anything, I feel the F86 benefited more from the Me262 (and other German ideas, like the leading edge wing slats) than the Russian designs did at that time. Then again, the Russians really benefited from the British jet engine that was given to them for the MiG15, which is a decision I never understood.
The UK was trying to be friendly and demonstrate good will and such. The USSR took the engine and copied it.
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After Churchill made that Iron Curtain speech, it was incredibly foolish.
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The Mig-15 looks suspiciously like the FW Ta-183. Now you don't think the Russians ran off with Kurt Tank's design for a jet fighter do you? Kind of like the German MP-44 and the AK-47 rifles.
Not for the MiG-15.
Maybe for the MiG-9...
(http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/mig9_breitenmoser.jpg)
ack-ack
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Gotta love Russian museums, tow it out to some concrete pads and slap some chocks on it...instant display :aok
At least they don't replace the canopies with blue aluminum like the USAF seems to.
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No, in both cases the Russians built their own. Contrary to some people's beliefs, Russians and Japanese people aren't stupid and incapable of creating their own successful designs.
I don't think anyones saying they can't. But they're clearly good at taking ideas from outside their country, and adapting them.
RPG? AK-47 (and no matter what anyone says, it was clearly at least influenced by the Mp-44), etc.
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I don't think anyones saying they can't. But they're clearly good at taking ideas from outside their country, and adapting them.
RPG? AK-47 (and no matter what anyone says, it was clearly at least influenced by the Mp-44), etc.
I'm sure that having Hugo Schmeisser (designer of the StG-44) as a member of his design team after the war may explain the similar look between both assault rifles. The AK-47 when it was designed incorporated a lot of design influences from other guns like the double locking lugs and unlocking raceway of the M1 Garand/M1 Carbine, the safety mechanism of the Remington Model 8 rifle and the gas system of the StG-44.
ack-ack
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Gotta love Russian museums, tow it out to some concrete pads and slap some chocks on it...instant display :aok
At least they don't replace the canopies with blue aluminum like the USAF seems to.
If you're ever in Moscow, visit this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_the_Great_Patriotic_War,_Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_the_Great_Patriotic_War,_Moscow)
Most impressive WW2 museum I've ever seen.
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Not for the MiG-15.
Maybe for the MiG-9...
(http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/mig9_breitenmoser.jpg)
ack-ack
I agree but you can bet it was some German blue print the Russians stumbled across in kurt Tank's deck. Like the English jet engine the MP-44 the M-1 rifles bolt locking system and on and on.
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Wasn't the Ta-183 prototype taken by the Soviet forces and turned into the Mig 9 and then the Mig-15?
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Wasn't the Ta-183 prototype taken by the Soviet forces and turned into the Mig-15?
No.