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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Tracerfi on July 29, 2012, 04:57:12 PM
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why when you plane catches on fire you explode
IE: B24s wings fall off after they catch on fire it seems unrealistic
I would appreciate some feed back
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You're asking why an airplane can explode and break apart after they catch fire right?
Quick answer then :D They are typically full of fuel, fuel is combustible. Things that combust can damage the things that hold your wings on.
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:bhead
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My problem is it happens to quickly
In Real Life the planes did not explode as quickly
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My problem is it happens to quickly
In Real Life the planes did not explode as quickly
:huh
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:rofl
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Don't kid yourself. There were seconds to react by crewmen or they were dead. The guys on a crew I researched spent a lot of time getting their time down from turret to bail out. They figured it had to be under 5 seconds. It proved it's worth as they took a Flak shell in the cockpit over Vienna and had to get out. Only 5 of the 12 on board made it. The guy I got to know and his buddy both used what they''d practiced to get out that fast. It was instant reaction and they still almost got trapped riding the wreck down. Sadly at least three were still alive and unwounded and rode it in to their deaths because they didn't have time to get out.
As for realistic. Note that of these 4 B24s, all burning and going down, only 1 of 40+ crew got out. he was thrown out when it exploded but happened to have his chute on and survived.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGS%20Scenario%20bits/fire4.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGS%20Scenario%20bits/Fire3.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGS%20Scenario%20bits/Fire2.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGS%20Scenario%20bits/Fire1.jpg)
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I remember reading a book by a B-24 navigator flying with the 15th AF. He said they used to count to 10 after being hit by
flak, if they hadn't exploded by then they figured they were ok. Kind of brings it home, doesn't it.
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Now there ARE stories of planes catching fire, and still making it home, I believe it was Memphis Belle? (correct me if I'm wrong) who caught fire, put it in a dive and used the high air speed to put the flames out? As well as the P47 who got jumped by 190's and flamed? The flames went out and he made it home eventually... I think it would be interesting to change the fire dynamic so as they are unpredictable, some will explode you or rip wings off, others might take seconds or a minute or 2 to kill you, others may just go out, of have the ability to be put out by high speeds? Maybe?
Oh, and just in case I am totally wrong
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110 octane av gas burns fast
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Now there ARE stories of planes catching fire, and still making it home, I believe it was Memphis Belle? (correct me if I'm wrong) who caught fire, put it in a dive and used the high air speed to put the flames out? As well as the P47 who got jumped by 190's and flamed? The flames went out and he made it home eventually... I think it would be interesting to change the fire dynamic so as they are unpredictable, some will explode you or rip wings off, others might take seconds or a minute or 2 to kill you, others may just go out, of have the ability to be put out by high speeds? Maybe?
Oh, and just in case I am totally wrong
(http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2009/01/flame_suit.jpg)
You've been watching too many movies :)
There were occasions where bombers tried to dive to put out fires. It might work or it would have the opposite result in increasing the intensity of the fire and the wing burning off faster. One of the things you come across often in stories of the bombers both RAF and USAAF is that many times planes came home short of crewmen as with the first damage guys would bail out before it was too late. For gunners in the rear of the plane, there was often no knowing if the pilots were ok if there was a hit up front.
Using the example of the B24 crew I got to know. Both pilots were killed by the flak shell in the cockpit. Of the guys behind the bomb bay, only two made it out of the five back there. One of the gunners, the youngest guy on the crew was last seen with his chute on, trying to contact the pilots to get permission to bail. He wouldn't leave without it despite the effort of the two guys who did survive.
Images from "The Mighty Eighth" by Roger Freeman
First is a 17 that dove to put the fire out. Pilot came home alone as the rest of the crew bailed.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGS%20Scenario%20bits/Fire5.jpg)
I think the hard thing to understand for us cartoon pilots is we never face dying. I imagine the will to survive is pretty strong under the circumstance. The fire is spreading quick on this 17 and you gotta believe they are racing to get out.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGS%20Scenario%20bits/Fire6.jpg)
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Awesome stuff, Corky! Thanks a lot for the info bud :cheers: :rock :salute
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In Real Life the planes did not explode as quickly
I'm goona guess you've never seen 100LL burn have you.
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My problem is it happens to quickly
In Real Life the planes did not explode as quickly
And you know this from first hand experence?
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I'm goona guess you've never seen 100LL burn have you.
what is it
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I think the explosions happen too fast myself.
Instead of KAABOOOM!
It should be more like, K A A B O O O M !
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:huh :huh :huh my paper airplanes catch fire if the are in the sun. :( :huh :huh :huh
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110 octane av gas burns fast
Actually the higher the octane rating the slower the fuel burns. ;)
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In Real Life the planes did not explode as quickly
And you're an expert when it comes to all things aviation. :rofl
Seriously, how do you know it's not realistic for a plane to explode quickly after being hit?
ack-ack
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And you're an expert when it comes to all things aviation. :rofl
Seriously, how do you know it's not realistic for a plane to explode quickly after being hit?
ack-ack
Stop Flaming me Ive had enough
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My problem is it happens to quickly
In Real Life the planes did not explode as quickly
I'm sure you've been in a number of aircraft while they've been on fire.
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what is it
100 Octane Low Lead aviation fuel, the most common fuel used in general aviation aircraft.
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Stop Flaming me Ive had enough
I asked you a question...how do know it's not realistic? Don't try and dodge the answer...you're the one that made the claim it wasn't so I just want to know how you know it's not realistic.
ack-ack
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I asked you a question...how do know it's not realistic? Don't try and dodge the answer...you're the one that made the claim it wasn't so I just want to know how you know it's not realistic.
ack-ack
I do not I never heard of a plane catching fire that quickly
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I do not I never heard of a plane catching fire that quickly
So because you've never heard of it, it must be unrealistic. Weird logic.
ack-ack
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So because you've never heard of it, it must be unrealistic. Weird logic.
ack-ack
I am weird so it fits me
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I do not I never heard of a plane catching fire that quickly
Youtube.com
Look up WW2 videos, there are a number and countless videos showing WW2 aircraft catching fire. Since you fail again at any research you simply won't understand.
I have a video somewhere if not posted on the 367thdynamitegang.com webiste showing a Zero getting caught by a P47-D11, not even soon after the guns started shooting the Zeke burst into flames and fall apart.
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:rofl
:rofl :aok
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Actually the higher the octane rating the slower the fuel burns. Wink
I have an equation. Burn time = the number of flammable objects within close proximity squared. in conclusion, it burns damn quick.
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Tracerfi, this sounds like a job for the... bum bum bu baa...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8RDJEjOPTJY/SgAH4o3tmPI/AAAAAAAADZo/VcQyORjYuQM/s400/whambulance.jpg)
seriously, it's a gameplay thing HTC did it so burning planes stopped shooting down the guy who caught him on fire.
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I do not I never heard of a plane catching fire that quickly
Ask questions and listen. Guys like Dan will always provide you with you with accurate and very informative answers. They are true pillars of the AH community and should be looked up to and treated with due respect for sharing their knowledge with us. Much more so than any "FPH".
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I have an equation. Burn time = the number of flammable objects within close proximity squared. in conclusion, it burns damn quick.
not disagreeing with you but, high octane gasoline burns slower than low octane gasoline. The slow burn prevents engine knock when
cylinder pressures are high..... :salute :cheers:
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Ask questions and listen. Guys like Dan will always provide you with you with accurate and very informative answers. They are true pillars of the AH community and should be looked up to and treated with due respect for sharing their knowledge with us. Much more so than any "FPH".
Nice post. :salute
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not disagreeing with you but, high octane gasoline burns slower than low octane gasoline. The slow burn prevents engine knock when
cylinder pressures are high..... :salute :cheers:
That will make me feel alot better the next time my cartoon airplane catches fire :D Other than the Storch, don't most of the birds
in game use 100/130 or higher octane? Heck some could use 115/145! Ok, technically you can't have more than 100% iso-octane, so those
would be performance numbers instead of percentages :aok
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Ask questions and listen. Guys like Dan will always provide you with you with accurate and very informative answers. They are true pillars of the AH community and should be looked up to and treated with due respect for sharing their knowledge with us. Much more so than any "FPH".
Indeed... I have a question however,
Who the hell is Dan? :rofl
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Indeed... I have a question however,
Who the hell is Dan? :rofl
Guppy35/CorkyJr
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Oh, thanks :cheers:
Use their bbs/in game ID's damnit, I can't memorize everyones name :rofl
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Hence why mine are one in the same. Now you just need to figure out which one. :)
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100LL and the fumes from 100LL are highly flammable (much like Tracefi's posts). I can see, the fumes especially, coming in contact with flames being very devastating in an explosive way.
Some jet fuels on the other hand, not so much. I have heard of people dropping lit cagarettes into a tank of jet fuel without setting it off (it was done as a demonstration).
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not disagreeing with you but, high octane gasoline burns slower than low octane gasoline. The slow burn prevents engine knock when
cylinder pressures are high..... salute cheers
Yeah im well aware of this. I think that was day 2 of flight school when the new guy asked what would happen if he used automotive fuel in the plane. everyone in the room had this same look :huh
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Yeah im well aware of this. I think that was day 2 of flight school when the new guy asked what would happen if he used automotive fuel in the plane. everyone in the room had this same look :huh
I am curious to know what would it do
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it would still get you in the air. But your engine would not like it.
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it would still get you in the air. But your engine would not like it.
Automotive Fuel In Aeroplane = Oh **** Right?
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no the older aircraft can run av gas and auto gas. It all goes boom in the right place at the right time but I would not do it unless my life depended on it.
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Nice post. :salute
Knew I had one in me. :D
:salute
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100LL and the fumes from 100LL are highly flammable (much like Tracefi's posts). I can see, the fumes especially, coming in contact with flames being very devastating in an explosive way.
Some jet fuels on the other hand, not so much. I have heard of people dropping lit cagarettes into a tank of jet fuel without setting it off (it was done as a demonstration).
I've seen that same demonstration. Its the fumes that burn, the liquid in close proximity to the heat vaporizes and burns. It has to do with the condition (temp, pressure, and vapor pressure) of the liquid.
the whole group of veteran oilfield trash observing this demonstration ducked, turned, and unassed the area. Even after the explanation of why it wouldnt catch fire.
Stab
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I'm honestly just amazed nobody's commented on the screw-up of the word "question" (or "questrion", as it were) in the title.
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This was as quick as I could get it.
(http://www.bargainist.com/deals/images/2011/08/hugh-jackman-horseback-riding-05.jpg)
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I'm honestly just amazed nobody's commented on the screw-up of the word "question" (or "questrion", as it were) in the title.
well sorry Tank-Ace for that error I AM NOT PERFECT :furious :bhead
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I have a questrion, how come the sky is blue? water is wet?
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I've seen that same demonstration. Its the fumes that burn, the liquid in close proximity to the heat vaporizes and burns. It has to do with the condition (temp, pressure, and vapor pressure) of the liquid.
the whole group of veteran oilfield trash observing this demonstration ducked, turned, and unassed the area. Even after the explanation of why it wouldnt catch fire.
Stab
Pour gas in a coffee can.... just 1/4 full. Set can on ground and light it. It burns a nice little flame. now kick that can and watch what happens. :rofl
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This was as quick as I could get it.
(http://www.bargainist.com/deals/images/2011/08/hugh-jackman-horseback-riding-05.jpg)
+1000 points for brain wavelength equivalency.
Not as quick, but....
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MY THREAD HAS BEEN HIJACKED I WILL CALL THE SKY MARSHAL
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MY THREAD HAS BEEN HIJACKED I WILL CALLED THE SKY MARSHAL
Have you taken an English class recently? Reading your posts makes me cringe.