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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wmaker on August 05, 2012, 11:19:17 PM
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You probabaly are aware of this but wanted to be sure:
(http://www.rmauctions.com/images/cars/MO12/MO12_r204_01.jpg)
http://www.rmauctions.com/FeatureCars.cfm?SaleCode=MO12&CarID=r204 (http://www.rmauctions.com/FeatureCars.cfm?SaleCode=MO12&CarID=r204)
What a day dream. :)
(If you have the time, check out the rest too. P1074 on auction and a nice 289 Cobra and a GT-350R.)
Wow. :)
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:cry I seem to be a little short on change
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That would be a dream one to own, if I could afford to properly put it in a museum and maintain it. No way would I drive it. They are getting too rare. I'll happily drive the copy I am building.
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That would be a dream one to own, if I could afford to properly put it in a museum and maintain it. No way would I drive it. They are getting too rare. I'll happily drive the copy I am building.
Pics???
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Pics???
I posted one pic of me and the car, somewhere on the board. It was of the day I picked it up. Beyond that, I do not have any pics. It never occurs to me to take one and when/if it does, I usually do not have my camera with me.
The one pic of me picking up the car was taken by someone else, who sent it to me.
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As a kid, my friend across the street's father had an original 260 or 289 cobra and I learned a lot hanging out watching him work on it.
He traded it for two cars.......a 1966 gto tri-power 389 GTO and a canadian tempest GTO with a 421.
At the time, it was a good trade but things have changed.
We used to go inside and listen to his father's album "200 miles per hour" by Bill Cosby who made a routine around his twin supercharged cobra.
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They have some other extremely rare Ford cars up for auction as well...
1967 Ford GT-40: about $2.5 million
(http://www.rmauctions.com/images/cars/MO12/MO12_r144_02.jpg)
John Wyer/Gulf Mirage (AKA lightweight Ford GT-40 MkI). Wyer's GT-40s won the 1968 and 1969 LeMans races, where their raw speed overcame less nimble handling. Price is unstated, but $3 million would not be out of the question.
(http://www.rmauctions.com/images/cars/MO12/MO12_r176_17.jpg)
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I posted one pic of me and the car, somewhere on the board. It was of the day I picked it up. Beyond that, I do not have any pics. It never occurs to me to take one and when/if it does, I usually do not have my camera with me.
The one pic of me picking up the car was taken by someone else, who sent it to me.
ill have to try to dig that up :aok
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That would be a dream one to own, if I could afford to properly put it in a museum and maintain it. No way would I drive it. They are getting too rare. I'll happily drive the copy I am building.
Sorry Roy, but they are MEANT to be driven, not stabled. I love them, and want nothing but the best for them... Powerball decides if I get to own one.
That said I understand the reverence, and timidness; but if you can afford one you owe it to Carroll, and the history to drive it sometimes.
<EDIT> Sorry to ask, but it's been a loooooooong time I've been on parole. What's a fellow Cobra lover gotta do to get legit?
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ooohhh what i wouldn't give for that gt350r////////////
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My good friend John has one
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/420785_3241719277801_1170598467_n.jpg)
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Those are nice cars, but...
I think if I was going to spend a silly amount of money on a toy car, I'd get an older miata (first year the headlights didn't pop up) and drop an LS-3 (or equivalent) V8 motor into it. A few years ago there were a handful of companies that will either do the conversion, or sell the required parts as a kit. 500hp in a miata and the weight distribution remains right around 51/49. Drool.
Those cobras are pretty neat but I think a pretty close "modern" equivalent can be found in a grossly overpowered miata. It'll handle pretty well, has a nice stereo, and the air conditioning will work :)
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(http://motoburg.com/images/shelby-cobra-05.jpg) I like this paint scheme...copy or not, I'd love it.
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That would be a dream one to own, if I could afford to properly put it in a museum and maintain it. No way would I drive it. They are getting too rare. I'll happily drive the copy I am building.
But they drive all kinds of expensive things on these historic racing events. :) I think it should be able to get out every once in a while. ;)
Wyer's GT-40s won the 1968 and 1969 LeMans races, where their raw speed overcame less nimble handling.
Wasn't it other way around? For example in '69 the Porche's were roughly 40km/h faster on the Mulsanne straight but had severe stability problems and GT-40 out cornered them. '69 finish was the most legendary ever. :) I'm sure the Mk.IV's were nippier though, not that I have any experience on driving either. :P
ooohhh what i wouldn't give for that gt350r////////////
Did you check the video: http://youtu.be/_6mANwW1Gss (http://youtu.be/_6mANwW1Gss)?
Drooool. :)
I remember when I first time saw a poster of a GT-350R on my cousin's wall as a 11-year old. I was sold right away. :)
Those cobras are pretty neat but I think a pretty close "modern" equivalent can be found in a grossly overpowered miata. It'll handle pretty well, has a nice stereo, and the air conditioning will work :)
Well I don't think you'd be worrying about stereo when you'd have that exhaust note, looks and style. Miata has none of those. :)
(ok, I'd admit that the exhaust note would be close with that conversion. ;))
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The original GT-40 and AC 427 were not legal to be driven on the street. Yes, there were street versions of the 427 car which replaced the 427 with a 428 and ran the exhaust pipes out the back and not the side pipes.
While there were some special cars made by Shelby American, such as the one for Bill Cosby, Ford never sold a 427 AC Cobra for street use.
CSX3014 was not a street car. It was a full blow race car with headlights. Someone would have to be a little off kilter to drive it on the street.
eagl, there are certainly cheaper ways to build a fast car. Kit Cobras are money pits, but they are some of the best looking money pits around. Many of them have nice stereos in them. Not sure why as you cannot hear it over the exhaust note 20 inches from your left ear.
Some have A/C. Works fine when you are at a stoplight, or if you snap on the roof. Almost all of them have heating which is meant to extend the "fair" weather driving time.
Some have power steering. With over 50% of the weight being on the rear tires, I have no idea why they need it.
Some have power brakes. Good option. Disc brakes take some leg to work at slow speeds.
The thing about the kits, is you can have it anyway you like. You can be historically accurate or eschew that for more comfort and a safer driving experience (i.e. put a speedometer on the dash, put in high back bucket seats to keep your head from crashing into the roll bar, get rid of the wood steering wheel in favor of a leather wrapped one...).
Yes, you can take Miata and put a big engine in it. At the end of the day you have a Miata with a big engine in it. If all you want is a high horsepower to weight ratio, then that certainly would be a cheaper route. People (like me) who pour money into kit Cobras are looking for a bit more than that. If you do not have a passion for the car, you would not understand it and that is fine.
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Those are nice cars, but...
I think if I was going to spend a silly amount of money on a toy car, I'd get an older miata (first year the headlights didn't pop up) and drop an LS-3 (or equivalent) V8 motor into it. A few years ago there were a handful of companies that will either do the conversion, or sell the required parts as a kit. 500hp in a miata and the weight distribution remains right around 51/49. Drool.
Those cobras are pretty neat but I think a pretty close "modern" equivalent can be found in a grossly overpowered miata. It'll handle pretty well, has a nice stereo, and the air conditioning will work :)
you're missing the point entirely.
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Who needs a V8?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OIkMDyaobc
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you're missing the point entirely.
He really did not miss the point. His point is from his perspective. If you do not have a passion for these "toy cars", you cannot understand why people pour the money, they do, into them. eagl, that is not meant to reflect anything negative at you. Some have the passion for these cars, some do not. It is not a measure of any kind.
Oh, and the latest rage in the Cobra circles are heated seats. I am going one step further and adding cooling to mine. Hopefully that will extend the drive time from 3 months a year to 6 months a year.
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The Shelby Daytona was the greatest american race car ever built. Now that is a car to dream of.
It actually put the fear of God into Enzo Ferarri. So much so that he virtualy canceled the last race of the
season in 65 or 66...my memory sux. Anyhow....there were only 6 built. Last one I saw went at auction
for 7.25 million. Just a "tad" outta my reach. But if I had the choice of one car to own. That would be my choice.
The other two cars on my dream list are, 64/65 Plymouth/Dodge lightweight (Hemi Drag cars) and the
Auburn Boat Tailed Speedster.
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He really did not miss the point. His point is from his perspective. If you do not have a passion for these "toy cars", you cannot understand why people pour the money, they do, into them. eagl, that is not meant to reflect anything negative at you. Some have the passion for these cars, some do not. It is not a measure of any kind.
Oh, and the latest rage in the Cobra circles are heated seats. I am going one step further and adding cooling to mine. Hopefully that will extend the drive time from 3 months a year to 6 months a year.
gotcha.
i almost bought a miata years ago, when my 89 gt got totaled. was gonna put that stuff in the miata. but the problem would've been what you said......still just a miata.
now somethin like these old cobras, gt350's, rs z28's, etc..........THOSE have style that can/will never be matched by the likes of a miata, or any of todays hotrods....even though i do like todays hot rods.
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The original GT-40 and AC 427 were not legal to be driven on the street. Yes, there were street versions of the 427 car which replaced the 427 with a 428 and ran the exhaust pipes out the back and not the side pipes.
While there were some special cars made by Shelby American, such as the one for Bill Cosby, Ford never sold a 427 AC Cobra for street use.
CSX3014 was not a street car. It was a full blow race car with headlights. Someone would have to be a little off kilter to drive it on the street.
Just wanted to clarify that I'm aware that it isn't/wasn't a street car and I was of course talking about driving it on the track alone. I wouldn't drive a car with that kind of history and state of originality on normal roads even if it was a street car to begin with, all it takes is one person not paying attention.
EDIT/But I do understand if one doesn't want to drive one on a track either:
(http://www.le-cahier-auto.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Crash-Ferrari-250-Testarossa-02.jpg)
The end result here (not for the faint hearted): http://www.flickr.com/photos/coldtrackdays/3831982257/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coldtrackdays/3831982257/) /EDIT
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eagl, there are certainly cheaper ways to build a fast car. Kit Cobras are money pits, but they are some of the best looking money pits around. Many of them have nice stereos in them. Not sure why as you cannot hear it over the exhaust note 20 inches from your left ear.
Yes, you can take Miata and put a big engine in it. At the end of the day you have a Miata with a big engine in it. If all you want is a high horsepower to weight ratio, then that certainly would be a cheaper route. People (like me) who pour money into kit Cobras are looking for a bit more than that. If you do not have a passion for the car, you would not understand it and that is fine.
As you say, it's not about the money :) I haven't owned a miata but I've driven them enough to consider the first one or two versions of the miata to be as "iconic" a car design as we have seen in the last 20-30 years. Most miata enthusiasts cringe at the idea of dropping in a V8 just as much as you would cringe at the idea of dropping a modern civic 4-banger into your cobra, but as you say that's the nice thing about your car and it applies to everyone else's dream car too. You can make it however you like and to heck with what the scoffers or "purists" say. If your idea of vehicular paradise is a no-holds-barred cobra kit with all the old-school goodies, then that's way cool.
My post wasn't intended to put your project down, rather to comment that a modern day version would start with a miata and end up with what many consider one of the few modern "pure driver's cars" that finally has enough horsepower :rock And to heck with the purists.
Of course, I also want a porsche, a corvette, and an airplane (an RV design, what else?). So if I ever get a miata it would probably be just for racing. Spec Miata looks like good clean fun and not nearly as expensive as many other types of racing since you start with a base miata and throw out everything except the approved parts list.
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I completely agree that when purely considering bang for the buck for "a normal person's" funds, a Miata has lot to offer.
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I'll take a V8 please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKlSqXNfIo
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The Shelby Daytona was the greatest american race car ever built. Now that is a car to dream of.
It actually put the fear of God into Enzo Ferarri. So much so that he virtualy canceled the last race of the
season in 65 or 66...my memory sux. Anyhow....there were only 6 built. Last one I saw went at auction
for 7.25 million. Just a "tad" outta my reach. But if I had the choice of one car to own. That would be my choice.
You can build or buy a replica... Not the same, but within reach.
(http://static.driven.urbandaddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IMG_0062.jpg)
(http://static.driven.urbandaddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IMG_0144.jpg)
http://www.factoryfive.com/galleries/type-65-coupe/# (http://www.factoryfive.com/galleries/type-65-coupe/#)
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Something similar here: www.gt40racing.com/ (http://www.gt40racing.com/)
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eagl, I did not take anything you said as being derogatory, regardless of the perspective. It's all good.
Most of the time, passion kicks common sense in the head, runs over it with a steam roller, punches through it with a Vulcan cannon, and slices it up with the tenacity of a meat grinder. Cobra owners lost their common sense gene the day they turned the key on that car.
For me, I lost my common sense one night at the A&W drive in. I was 12 years old and it was Friday night when all the 'rods' would come to the A&W to cruise, meet, and greet. Dad had his flathead 54 Ford there and a 65 Cobra pulled up beside us. I got to ride in that car and that was it for me. 45 years later I finally get my chance to have my own.
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Those are nice cars, but...
I think if I was going to spend a silly amount of money on a toy car, I'd get an older miata (first year the headlights didn't pop up) and drop an LS-3 (or equivalent) V8 motor into it. A few years ago there were a handful of companies that will either do the conversion, or sell the required parts as a kit. 500hp in a miata and the weight distribution remains right around 51/49. Drool.
Those cobras are pretty neat but I think a pretty close "modern" equivalent can be found in a grossly overpowered miata. It'll handle pretty well, has a nice stereo, and the air conditioning will work :)
A V-8 Miata has been my dream project car since I first saw one on the road in the late '90s. That sucker made the ground shake!
It could never be compared to the Cobra, but is essentially the same thing. The AC Ace was a little wuss-wagon until Shelby worked his magic on it.
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eagl, I did not take anything you said as being derogatory, regardless of the perspective. It's all good.
Most of the time, passion kicks common sense in the head, runs over it with a steam roller, punches through it with a Vulcan cannon, and slices it up with the tenacity of a meat grinder. Cobra owners lost their common sense gene the day they turned the key on that car.
:rofl
For me, I lost my common sense one night at the A&W drive in. I was 12 years old and it was Friday night when all the 'rods' would come to the A&W to cruise, meet, and greet. Dad had his flathead 54 Ford there and a 65 Cobra pulled up beside us. I got to ride in that car and that was it for me. 45 years later I finally get my chance to have my own.
Nice story!
...and for people like me who only ever own a 1/18 models of a Cobra and GT-40 this, like Aces High, can be a lot of fun: http://gtlw-blog.flyingpig.info/index.php (http://gtlw-blog.flyingpig.info/index.php)
(http://www.simhq.com/_motorsports4/images/motorsports_131a_001.jpg)
http://www.simhq.com/_motorsports4/motorsports_131a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_motorsports4/motorsports_131a.html)
:)
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The Shelby Daytona was the greatest american race car ever built. Now that is a car to dream of.
It actually put the fear of God into Enzo Ferarri. So much so that he virtualy canceled the last race of the
season in 65 or 66...my memory sux. Anyhow....there were only 6 built. Last one I saw went at auction
for 7.25 million. Just a "tad" outta my reach. But if I had the choice of one car to own. That would be my choice.
The other two cars on my dream list are, 64/65 Plymouth/Dodge lightweight (Hemi Drag cars) and the
Auburn Boat Tailed Speedster.
I knew you were smart :D
My dream car I would take above any and all 71 Hemi Cuda ragtop 4 speed. :aok
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But they drive all kinds of expensive things on these historic racing events. :) I think it should be able to get out every once in a while. ;)
Wasn't it other way around? For example in '69 the Porche's were roughly 40km/h faster on the Mulsanne straight but had severe stability problems and GT-40 out cornered them. '69 finish was the most legendary ever. :) I'm sure the Mk.IV's were nippier though, not that I have any experience on driving either. :P
Did you check the video: http://youtu.be/_6mANwW1Gss (http://youtu.be/_6mANwW1Gss)?
Drooool. :)
In 1968, the 908s had many problems and the GT40s were very stout exiting corners with their huge torque and smooth power delivery. The 908s were faster on the Mulssanne, but the GT40s opened a big gap entering the straight. All of the 908s were very unstable under hard braking, which cost them time. The very fast V-12 Matra caught fire...
In 1969, Once again the Porsche's suffered problems and Ickx managed to just edge out a 908 that was suffering from brake trouble... The 917s were awful. Very unstable and not well sorted mechanically. The 917 needed another year to get right.
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I knew you were smart :D
My dream car I would take above any and all 71 Hemi Cuda ragtop 4 speed. :aok
Hey Ink....you know me. I bleed MOPAR Blue :aok
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Hey Ink....you know me. I bleed MOPAR Blue :aok
:D
:rock