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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nethawk on April 06, 2001, 06:34:00 PM
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hehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). For your own safety i'd move this over to the Off Topic folder before u get flamed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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You forgot the soy sauce and the collision warning voice..
WONG WEI WONG WEI WONG WEI!!!!!!
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I am going to say this as politly as possible. "There is no humor in your post." These people put there lives on the line for this country and they deserve better than a post like this. I served as a CT with a similar mission(1966-1972). I can imagine what these people are going through. I monitored the crew of the "Pueblo" AGER-2 that were captured and taken to Wanson Harbor in North Korea. Your probably to young to understand!
Thunder
[This message has been edited by Thunder (edited 04-07-2001).]
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Things can be said about people who quote themselces even though its the first time they say it..
I wasnt poking fun at the crew..i was making fun of the Chinese fighter pilot..the fact that he died is sad and all BUT based on reports he always did this kind of stupid crap and it finally bit him in the ass...i feel bad the the crew of the EP-3 had to participate in it and I hope they get back soon, but i have no rspect or compassion for that pilot that rammed them....dead or alive...him being a total moron caused his own death..which is fair..but now he has caused an international incident.
EDIT: You also have to remember the pains of the people in a small village in China who are mourning the loss of their Idiot.
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 04-07-2001).]
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Wobble,
You have to think of what you're saying here. No one 'deserves' to die, even if they are acting dangerously.
Example: On this past Monday night, a car with four kids from my town crashed at 100mph into another car coming from the opposite direction at 50mph. 6 people were killed, 3 of whom I knew.
They were being irresponsible and reckless, but did they deserve to die?
It is tragic that a life has been lost, but nothing can justify that. We've played this game with the Russians and you bet F-15s were harrassing those Bears. I live on Otis ANGB and there are pictures all over town of our Eagles as close as 30yds away from the tail of the Russian bomber. (this is an estimate, but most likely pretty close) Finally, an accident does happen - I don't personally agree with how the Chinese have acted in this situation but the truth will come to light eventually.
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kids in a car having a wreck and some idiot in a fighter flying into a EP-3 and almost killing 24 people besides his stupid self are hardley 2 things that can be compared in any moral way....both were cases of neglegence and stupidity, but thats where the similarity ends...
Besides there were several instances and complaints about this individual pilot and nothing was done either by himself or the other idiots that told this idiot his orders...and like I said.. it bit him in the ass.
Who in their right mind would give someone named "Wong Wei" pilots wings in the first place..?
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Geez, this was intended to be a little air combat humor, and it has turned into a woefully inadequate study on sociology. Wobble, you have been around AH long enough to know where to draw the line - you must have had a cog slip somewhere.
Nacho - whaddya mean?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I've been practicing my "egg roll" quite a bit lately in the tiffy - the post is perfectly appropriate! Besides, I'm a big boy, I can take it. B)
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Hmmm some of the things said here are questionable in their legality. Wobbl e please dont post anymore onthis topic, i still have some respect for americans, lets keep it that way
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loser - wobble is like the aces high village idiot - he's fun to throw pennies at and stuff but you gotta feel sorry for the guy.
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The chinese pilot was obviously a malicious killer on a spree! I hate the idea that the US is blameless for this incident. The Chinese fighter pilot felt he was right, he did HIS duty. G Bush would rather sacrifice the American crew rather than apologise. What a knobend.
Ddriag.
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Well if China wasnt historically known for being completely full of toejam on everything they say it woould be easier to swallow the turd they have tossed this time.
BTW did you hear that there was some "citizen" there speaking out about the accident saying it was the Chinese's fault and he was..as they call it "detained"
No matter where it happened a little plane flying by a known hotdog idiot who has already had complaints about him slamming into a much larger plane it is obvious who's fault it is. The only good side to it ive seen so far is that at least the world is being reminded what a big lieing pile of toejam Chana can be.
wobble is like the aces high village idiot
I already used village idiot on this post..be more creative...if possable.
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I am going try to positively move this thread in a different direction.
The gravity of what has happened over in China can't be fully understood unless you understand what has happened before in our recent past. This may be brand new to some but very simalar to what happened to the "USS Pueblo-(AGER-2)" that was captured and taken to Wanson Harbor in North Korea. This incident happened about 35 years ago. I was a CT on active duty at the time of the "Liberty" and the "Pueblo" incidents. These servicemen (and servicewomen in the most recent case) because of the sensitivity of there mission are often left high and dry because of bigger national political concerns. If you have worn a uniform and served you undoubtedly understand what I am saying. If you have been a CT or similar rating in the Marines,Air Force or Army you know first hand what I am saying. Those that have not please try and understand what the people on the ground may be going though. There is a lot more that is going on then just a forced landing here. The reporting and focus of press is not always reality.
For any that are interested there is a good websight that is online by veterns that know. Its informative if you don't know much about what I am talking about.
http://www.usspueblo.org/ (http://www.usspueblo.org/)
I don't think that this thread was ment to be a mockery of the crew on the ground. I have been overly sensitive and concerned about the crew and there safety. I was in the same watch section with a brother of a "Pueblo" crewmen and we listened to it first hand. I relive his agony every time I listen to the news nowdays. Hell, that was a long time ago. If you are reading this I hope things are going well for you.
Salute
Thunder
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village idiot
Got a trademark on it?
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
I already used village idiot on this post..be more creative...if possable.
you're right, anything is 'possable' (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Ddriag:
The chinese pilot was obviously a malicious killer on a spree! I hate the idea that the US is blameless for this incident. The Chinese fighter pilot felt he was right, he did HIS duty. G Bush would rather sacrifice the American crew rather than apologise. What a knobend.
Ddriag.
I am really confused here. The Chinese pilots duty was to shadow and monitor the reconnaissance aircraft's actions and ensure it didn't intrude in their airspace. He's flying a high performance plane and is flying so close to a slower, less maneuverable and lager aircraft in a position where the crew of the larger aircraft cannot see him and causes a midair collision. Now somehow you seem to feel it was the U.S. crews fault???????? I don't follow your reasoning here at all.
Second point, you seem to feel Bush should apologize for the stupidity of the chinese pilots actions?????? WTF for?????
Is your distaste, let me say prejudice, towards the U.S. so strong that you can't stand to not blame it for something??
Get a life. Want to see a knobend??(whatever that is) I suggest you look in the mirror.
Mav
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Guys, just take it to the O Club. When the truth comes out about the incident (if it ever does) then we'll see whose fault it is. The US media makes all Americans think that the smaller plane obviously must have been hotdogging it. The Chinese government forces their citizens to believe that somehow the EP-8 was able to manuver so quickly and aggressively that it rammed the fighter.
I'd be willing to bet its a case of 'it takes two to tango.'
oh, and Wobble, I swear you must have been dropped on your head when you were little. Your inconsideration to the Chinese pilot's life is somewhat similar to MGs attitude towards Sniper on the agw boards. In both cases, a man is dead and gone. Don't trod on his grave, because then you'll quickly find what friends you have won't want to be associated with you.
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Mav
I never meant to imply that it was anyones fault. You sound like you were obviously in the plane, so I'll bow to your interpretation!
What I find objectionable is prolonging the captivity of the crew for the cost of an apology. If the objective was to get them out of danger and home to their families, he'd have done it by now.
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Its called a joke joyce...
Tronsky
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Ddraig
Far be for me to presume to understand exactly what is being discussed between our country and China over this incident but bear this in mind. In China, an apology is both a powerful expression of regret and an ADMISSION of wrongdoing/guilt. If the US were to issue an apology to China I would not be surprised to see some/all of those service members put on trial for some type of homicide charge (Remember what I just said, If the US were to apologize for the death of the Chinese pilot, we would be admitting that we were to blame for said death) The outcome of which could likely be execution of some/all of those service members. If this sounds farfetched to you then recall that we are talking about China, a country widely known for it's idea of "human rights" or lack thereof. Therefore I believe that apologizing would be the worst possible course of action in this matter. Not to mention the fact that there is no possible way our plane could have been at fault....it's slower, less maneuverable, generally flies on a steady heading, and is much easier to see then the fighter the Chinese "hotshot" was flying. What is really appalling about this is that a Chinese love muffin rams our plane FORCING it to land where it did and they have the gall to hold our servicemen captive because they landed without permission.....AND THEY WANT AN APOLOGY!! Yeah, as you see, it kind of ticks me off...Ah well, just my opinion, take it as you wish...
Redwolfe
[This message has been edited by Redwolfe (edited 04-10-2001).]