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Title: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 11:31:45 AM
European and Pacific realistic maps, same general settings as MA.

Represent each country and the fighters, bombers, GVs they used in WWII at their bases.  If you want to use a Yak, you need to go to a Russian base or a base in another country that actually had yaks stationed there.  For example, p51s were stationed in England, so make those available there.

Make the three chess pieces Allies, Germans/Italy, and Japan.

Add GV spawns across the channel to simuate ships that ferried tanks there.

Award slightly higher perks in these arenas than in MA to encourage participation.

Include cities and factories in realistic locations.

Enable us to fight WWII all over again until someone wins, then reset.  A win would involve taking 50% of opposing chess piece's bases.

That's my wish... I know about AvA, but you'll see it's empty because it is not similar to MA settings and no incentive to use it, other than special events.

Come at me! :D
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Butcher on August 22, 2012, 11:49:24 AM
Already have it - its called the AVA arena, check it out sometime.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 11:57:59 AM
Already have it - its called the AVA arena, check it out sometime.

I bolded it for you.  :bhead
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: ImADot on August 22, 2012, 12:15:52 PM
Represent each country and the fighters, bombers, GVs they used in WWII at their bases.  If you want to use a Yak, you need to go to a Russian base or a base in another country that actually had yaks stationed there.  For example, p51s were stationed in England, so make those available there.

What if you want to fly a Yak, but nobody is fighting Russia...they're all busy fighting in P-51's and Fw-190's? People want short transit times to the fights, and will most likely not want to fly to the other side of the map to do it in a plane they want to fly.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 12:18:49 PM
What if you want to fly a Yak, but nobody is fighting Russia...they're all busy fighting in P-51's and Fw-190's? People want short transit times to the fights, and will most likely not want to fly to the other side of the map to do it in a plane they want to fly.

Shorten the distance between bases and Germany vs Russian front would be close together.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: ImADot on August 22, 2012, 12:21:48 PM
Shorten the distance between bases and Germany vs Russian front would be close together.

European and Pacific realistic maps...

Include cities and factories in realistic locations.

Which do you want?  ;)
 :headscratch:
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 12:24:39 PM
Which do you want?  ;)
 :headscratch:

Realistic positions but shortened distances to enable less transit time. 
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: waystin2 on August 22, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
Realistic positions but shortened distances to enable less transit time. 

Most of the maps in the AVA have shorter distances between fields to facilitate quicker into the fight for everyone!  Stop by and check out next time you see some bodies in there.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: JunkyII on August 22, 2012, 01:37:20 PM
Can I get a facepalm Redbull?

AvA is the answer you don't want...but it's the answer to your question.

 :salute
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 01:41:51 PM
Can I get a facepalm Redbull?

AvA is the answer you don't want...but it's the answer to your question.

 :salute

I bolded it.  Nobody is in AvA... Settings are not like MA.  Why does no one use it except special events?
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: RedBull1 on August 22, 2012, 01:44:01 PM
(http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/medium/double-facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 22, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
I bolded it.  Nobody is in AvA... Settings are not like MA.  Why does no one use it except special events?

Well Midsy, if you want to you and your squad can come in on your unshaded account. Every week is a special event for the AVA.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 01:47:17 PM
(http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/medium/double-facepalm.jpg)

 :cry
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: JunkyII on August 22, 2012, 01:47:49 PM
I bolded it.  Nobody is in AvA... Settings are not like MA.  Why does no one use it except special events?
MA maps have set criteria set by HTC which they have to follow to be an MA map. You can look them up with the search feature on here.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: guncrasher on August 22, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
I bolded it.  Nobody is in AvA... Settings are not like MA.  Why does no one use it except special events?

what makes you think they will go to the new avajr arena?


semp
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 01:56:24 PM
what makes you think they will go to the new avajr arena?


semp

Similar icon and dar settings as MA, all aeroplanes and GVs available in each country, increased perk earnings, battles in areas that have some history to them.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 22, 2012, 02:00:46 PM
Similar icon and dar settings as MA, all aeroplanes and GVs available in each country, increased perk earnings, battles in areas that have some history to them.
the whole no icon thing aint as scary as some peole make it sound you should try the AVA Midsy you might like it.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 02:03:15 PM
the whole no icon thing aint as scary as some peole make it sound you should try the AVA Midsy you might like it.

I have been in it before.  I didn't like it.  Dar settings, icon settings, and aeroplane availability were too limiting.  If it were more like I described in my OP, i would spend most of my time there, hopefully others would as well.  Also, perm large realistic maps where we can make progress towards wining the war would be better.

Am in it now... it's a very small Guadalcanal map... very limited aeroplane set.   Guadalcanal should be a small portion on a PTO map.  Nobody is here.  If we had a perm large PTO map with settings similar to MA, I think more people would enjoy it.

I'm sure it's fine for a special event... I'm wishing for two permenant arenas for PTO and ETO, large maps full aeroplane sets in appropriate countries, etc... as described in my OP.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 22, 2012, 02:24:34 PM
I have been in it before.  I didn't like it.  Dar settings, icon settings, and aeroplane availability were too limiting.  If it were more like I described in my OP, i would spend most of my time there, hopefully others would as well.  Also, perm large realistic maps where we can make progress towards wining the war would be better.
What makes it too limiting other then the planeset?
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 02:27:36 PM
What makes it too limiting other then the planeset?

Enemy Icons are off, friendlies at 2.5k, very few bases on current small Guadalcanal map, very limited aeroplane set, etc...

Only aeroplanes / GVs available at these bases are WWI, even though the Arena message lists a few from WWII.

Nobody is here.   People are use to the MA settings and large maps, full aeroplane set, etc...  

Just ask yourself, why is noone in the AvA?  My answer is because the settings are too different from what people know in the MAs and there is no real permenant war going on here as there is in the MA.

I think AvA is fine for the special events with the related maps... however my wish is for two permenant MA style maps that reflect ETO and PTO as I described.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: guncrasher on August 22, 2012, 02:36:31 PM
Enemy Icons are off, friendlies at 2.5k, very few bases on current small Guadalcanal map, very limited aeroplane set, etc...

Only aeroplanes / GVs available at these bases are WWI, even though the Arena message lists a few from WWII.

Nobody is here.   People are use to the MA settings and large maps, full aeroplane set, etc...  

Just ask yourself, why is noone in the AvA?  My answer is because the settings are too different from what people know in the MAs and there is no real permenant war going on here as there is in the MA.

which is exactly what you are trying to do with your new arena.


semp

Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 22, 2012, 03:00:55 PM
Enemy Icons are off, friendlies at 2.5k, very few bases on current small Guadalcanal map, very limited aeroplane set, etc...

Only aeroplanes / GVs available at these bases are WWI, even though the Arena message lists a few from WWII.

Nobody is here.   People are use to the MA settings and large maps, full aeroplane set, etc...  

Just ask yourself, why is noone in the AvA?  My answer is because the settings are too different from what people know in the MAs and there is no real permenant war going on here as there is in the MA.

I think AvA is fine for the special events with the related maps... however my wish is for two permenant MA style maps that reflect ETO and PTO as I described.
I dont see those as limiting factors.  More realistic in some respects yes but limiting, NO what happens in you PTO/ETO maps when everyon is over flying p51's v 190 and you want to figth a zeke but nobody is on that map? You go fly your zeke vs 190's in the ma so this is  yet abnother redundant and pointless request by you, do you think you are DW or something?
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 22, 2012, 03:04:36 PM
You know what Its worth a shot, why dont yo grab a few maps  and  creat 2 custom areans with the settings you want and see if anyone shows up, also you can reun preset missions  with the AI  too.  See if anyone else is interested in something like this.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 03:10:41 PM
I dont see those as limiting factors.  More realistic in some respects yes but limiting, NO what happens in you PTO/ETO maps when everyon is over flying p51's v 190 and you want to figth a zeke but nobody is on that map? You go fly your zeke vs 190's in the ma so this is  yet abnother redundant and pointless request by you, do you think you are DW or something?

Zeros would fight in he PTO vs all allied aeroplanes available there.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 22, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
Zeros would fight in he PTO vs all allied aeroplanes available there.

Like I said set up a couple  custom areans with these settings and see if it works.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 03:16:56 PM
Like I said set up a couple  custom areans with these settings and see if it works.

You're missing the point.   Custom arenas are not the MAs.   I've made my wish. :aok
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Rino on August 22, 2012, 03:23:09 PM
what makes you think they will go to the new avajr arena?


semp

     I'll go, I want to hear the crying when everyone runs out of gas before getting to the fight.  Btw Midway, it's not historical if the distance
is halved for the 2x fuel burn  :D
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: jimson on August 22, 2012, 03:26:18 PM
Well here is the AvA situation. We can't really have the same things as MA because we can't have win the war map resets.

Can't really have any usable perk or eny system.

Believe me, every setting imaginable has been tried.


We have tried many things with icons but those who said they wanted them on never really participated in the arena once we turned them on.

We have done some internal polling and we run the arena to what a strong majority of people who fly there want to see.

Thursday nights we do turn enemy icons on for the 8thAF mission.

I do have a future project in mind that would be a world at war terrain that would be split into pacific and ETO, MTO

(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff457/avacmstaff/avawrld4.jpg)


You would still have a situation with plane sets unless you wanted to make it all latewar, but then you really wouldn't have the realism of early engagements like BOB etc.

I suppose you could do a rolling timeline.

Starting in September we will have a war going on Tuesday nights where the winners of each weeks battle will choose the next weeks for an overall victory strategy.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,337838.0.html
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 22, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
You're missing the point.   Custom arenas are not the MAs.   I've made my wish. :aok

So you want to split the 400-600 people from the MA up into 3 arenas? with possibly 2 of them sitting empty? When the same setup cna be done in the AVA?
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 22, 2012, 03:40:24 PM
Well here is the AvA situation. We can't really have the same things as MA because we can't have win the war map resets.

Can't really have any usable perk or eny system.

...

Ergo, my wish.  I also wish the PTO and ETO were permenant MA type arenas so we can battle there any time.  I suspect HTC would have to add this capability and it is not just some settings you can adjust.

I am on right now and want to be in the ETO or PTO and fight, but there are none. :frown:
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 22, 2012, 03:44:08 PM
Ergo, my wish.  I also wish the PTO and ETO were permenant MA type arenas so we can battle there any time.  I suspect HTC would have to add this capability and it is not just some settings you can adjust.

I am on right now and want to be in the ETO or PTO and fight, but there are none. :frown:

Each map has Islands  and Mountains  use your imagination.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: icepac on August 23, 2012, 08:24:46 AM
Run a "one month war" scenario with a rolling planeset in the A vs A arena and let some of the newer guys get a taste of more realism than stang vs stang.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Tracerfi on August 23, 2012, 03:19:49 PM
Run a "one month war" scenario with a rolling planeset in the A vs A arena and let some of the newer guys get a taste of more realism than stang vs stang.
thats a very good idea
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: icepac on August 23, 2012, 03:46:09 PM
Thier argument is that they tried it.

When?

How many more aces high pilots have joined since then?

I'll bet it's near 50% of the current subscriber base.

Meanwhile I have yet to see it populated by a single person.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 23, 2012, 03:56:47 PM
Thier argument is that they tried it.

When?

How many more aces high pilots have joined since then?

I'll bet it's near 50% of the current subscriber base.

Meanwhile I have yet to see it populated by a single person.


Icepac  havent you brought this up beforte and it not go so well for you? If you want to volunteer to be the one to manual make all the changes perhaps you should actually try to ge tin the AVA  on a tuesday/thursday night?
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: kvuo75 on August 23, 2012, 04:25:53 PM
Thier argument is that they tried it.

When?

How many more aces high pilots have joined since then?

I'll bet it's near 50% of the current subscriber base.

Meanwhile I have yet to see it populated by a single person.



why dont you go ask them?

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,44.0.html
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: icepac on August 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
Icepac  havent you brought this up beforte and it not go so well for you? If you want to volunteer to be the one to manual make all the changes perhaps you should actually try to ge tin the AVA  on a tuesday/thursday night?

I'm already enjoying my Axis VS Allies with rolling planeset and have been for over a decade...............just not here.

If it's been working fine with very little intervention, I would assume it would work here.

What is not going well is the current axis vs allied arena in that it's nothing more than a special events arena and sits empty 96% of the time.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: BFOOT1 on August 23, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
Tonight in the AvA we do have a 8th AF vs LW setup going on around 9pm EST I think, it involves B-17's and B-24's lifting off from England, being escorted by 38's, 47's, and 51's. The buffs attack targets in Germany while being harrased by the LW when the cross over to France, you guys should check it out.  :salute
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: MrKrabs on August 23, 2012, 05:58:54 PM
My dear (FPH) Midway...

Why not spend some time in the Custom Arenas... Make one and call it "Whoville" - then get some Staged Missions... 8)
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 23, 2012, 06:16:07 PM
My dear (FPH) Midway...

Why not spend some time in the Custom Arenas... Make one and call it "Whoville" - then get some Staged Missions... 8)

No one shows up in custom arenas unless it's a squad practicing or something... and the limit is 16 pilots.   Plus I don't know how to run a staged mission.

I like the MA, just wish we had MAs that reflect ETO and PTO maps with dozens of players on them and full aeroplane sets in each countries bases in a continuing 24x7 war like I described in the OP. :frown:

and I'm not good enough to be a FPH -- yet, as you know.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 24, 2012, 08:44:39 AM
No one shows up in custom arenas unless it's a squad practicing or something... and the limit is 16 pilots.   Plus I don't know how to run a staged mission.

I like the MA, just wish we had MAs that reflect ETO and PTO maps with dozens of players on them and full aeroplane sets in each countries bases in a continuing 24x7 war like I described in the OP. :frown:

and I'm not good enough to be a FPH -- yet, as you know.

Well wish with one hand poop in the other see which fills up first.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: matt on August 28, 2012, 04:01:42 PM
Orange and Blue ARENAS  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 28, 2012, 04:15:12 PM
Orange and Blue ARENAS  :headscratch:

who ever heard of such sillyness, probably would want a cap on them too to encourge use of the arena with lowest amount of people.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 28, 2012, 04:21:25 PM
who ever heard of such sillyness, probably would want a cap on them too to encourge use of the arena with lowest amount of people.

Silly.   ETO (Europe War) and PTO (Pacific War).  No caps :aok
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: kvuo75 on August 28, 2012, 04:24:11 PM
Silly.   ETO (Europe War) and PTO (Pacific War).  No caps :aok

combine them on tuesdays?
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 28, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
combine them on tuesdays?


No... These are permenant WWII large maps which can be fought on as MA any time.
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 29, 2012, 08:40:07 AM
Silly.   ETO (Europe War) and PTO (Pacific War).  No caps :aok

Will it only be an option if a minimum amount of players are in them/
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Rob52240 on August 29, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Aces_of_the_Pacific_Coverart.png)(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/9407/721814-7054_boxshot_aces_over_europe_large.jpg)
(http://i2.listal.com/image/207957/600full-aces-of-the-pacific-expansion-disk%253A-wwii%253A-1946-cover.jpg)
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 29, 2012, 02:29:43 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Aces_of_the_Pacific_Coverart.png)(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/9407/721814-7054_boxshot_aces_over_europe_large.jpg)
(http://i2.listal.com/image/207957/600full-aces-of-the-pacific-expansion-disk%253A-wwii%253A-1946-cover.jpg)



 :x

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 29, 2012, 03:15:03 PM

 :x

 :cheers:

But we have most those planes anyway and Maps with islands(PTO) and big mountains and rolling plaines(ETO)
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: coombz on August 29, 2012, 03:24:23 PM
AH doesn't have enough players to start spreading an already thin population around more servers

:old:
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Midway on August 29, 2012, 03:36:43 PM
AH doesn't have enough players to start spreading an already thin population around more servers

:old:

The egg must come before the chicken. :old:
Title: Re: Two new arenas
Post by: Nathan60 on August 30, 2012, 08:27:49 AM
The egg must come before the chicken. :old:

I think you got theat backwards the chicken came first.