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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKKuya on August 27, 2012, 03:13:50 AM
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For arguement's sake, let's say Einstein was correct with lightspeed and time differential between the space traveler and the people of Earth after the traveler left. He postulated that one year at lightspeed would equal 100 years on the Earth. And, technology in the future has no negative drawbacks. Humans developed the means of instant communication between the planets over 4 light years distant.
In the year 2100 AD, humans have developed the means to travel at the speed of light safely in a spaceship. The crew of the spaceship spends 4 years at light speed traveling to Alpha Cenaturi to land on a planet orbiting the twin star system. For the travelers, it's 2104 AD roughly and on Earth it's roughly 2500 AD.
In the year 2200 AD, humans have improved on lightspeed technology to increase speed to twice that of light speed. A new crew is launched with the improved spaceship to Alpha Centauri. After roughly 2 years at twice the speed of light, the crew is roughly at 2202 AD and the on Earth it's roughly 2400 AD.
In the year 2300 AD, humans have doubled the lightspeed technology again to 4 times the speed of light. Another crew is sent to Alpha Centauri with the improved spaceship. After one year traveling there, the crew would be around 2301 AD and the Earth would be at 2400 AD.
Now for the questions.
Which human crew would arrive first on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri?
Which crew be the first to communicate with Earth?
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he was right - GPS wouldnt work if he was wrong :)
FTL is not possible so there are no solutions for your questions, its about how close you get to c.
as an example if you accelerate at 1g to the midpoint, then decelerate at 1g to a stop it takes about 3.5y to make the 4.2ly trip. just under 6y has elapsed on earth, and the fastest you go is 0.95c. fuel/payload ratio is 37.
double the acceleration to 2g and its a 2.3y trip, 5y on earth, 0.98c max. fuel/payload ratio is now 111.
the nearest stars are not really that far away. :cool: (unless you walk it, then it takes 1.5bn years)
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To answer these questions, it would have to be assumed that faster-than-light travel is even possible.
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I don't see humans physiology as able to withstand acceleration to those levels..
Even the generation of power would create effects that would kill us, long
before we even came close.. They already know that prolonged time in Zero G
deteriorates the human body at a cellular and genetic level.. No matter how
much you exercise, your body is damaged from it....
So there are two trains of thought to remedy this..
One is genetic, DNA Splicing, like the "Spider Goats".. To "Create" a humanoid
species better able to tolerate or even thrive during the Extended time in space..
Policy statements actually describe a "splitting" of the Human species, into separate
lines of evolution..
The other is Technological, such as the mating of Man to Machine.. New "Wetware"
interfaces with external hardware.. Like having an interface port, on a tag hanging out
from behind your ear.. Data displayed directly to your optic nerve.. Darpa is already
working on this.. And that is just the stuff that they are letting "slip out"..
The societal programming of the young is already underway.. Notice all the movies
and TV shows, like Avatar, Iron Man, Alphas, Superhuman, GIjoe, sector9, I robot,on and on..
This groupthink training will intensify.. Resulting in the future, it being Trendy and cool, to
be wetwired with the new "Cool Tech"..
Creepy stuff to be sure.. And it's closer than we think..
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It all depends on FSP and lag in my opinion.
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I don't see humans physiology as able to withstand acceleration to those levels..
Even the generation of power would create effects that would kill us, long
before we even came close.. They already know that prolonged time in Zero G
deteriorates the human body at a cellular and genetic level.. No matter how
much you exercise, your body is damaged from it....
So there are two trains of thought to remedy this..
One is genetic, DNA Splicing, like the "Spider Goats".. To "Create" a humanoid
species better able to tolerate or even thrive during the Extended time in space..
Policy statements actually describe a "splitting" of the Human species, into separate
lines of evolution..
The other is Technological, such as the mating of Man to Machine.. New "Wetware"
interfaces with external hardware.. Like having an interface port, on a tag hanging out
from behind your ear.. Data displayed directly to your optic nerve.. Darpa is already
working on this.. And that is just the stuff that they are letting "slip out"..
The societal programming of the young is already underway.. Notice all the movies
and TV shows, like Avatar, Iron Man, Alphas, Superhuman, GIjoe, sector9, I robot,on and on..
This groupthink training will intensify.. Resulting in the future, it being Trendy and cool, to
be wetwired with the new "Cool Tech"..
Creepy stuff to be sure.. And it's closer than we think..
Iron Man - March, 1963
G.I. Joe - 1964
I, Robot - Written in 1950
Avatar - never understood the hype beyond the technology used to make it
Alphas and Superhuman(and any shows like them) - A rip-off of X-Men (September 1963)
Perhaps you meant District 9?
I blame Stan Lee :noid
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If we have the technology to travel faster then light I believe we will also have the technology to overcome the related problems with g forces during accel and de-cel
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Actually traveling at warp speed means that, yes, you are traveling a warp speed, but not really. The theory of traveling faster than light speed is to create a wave (probably some kind of cool name, geeks plz help me out here) in front of a space ship. The ship follows behind and controls the wave. The only problem is this takes way too much power to even attempt any such feat. Trying to generate this much power may actually trigger a Big Bang if not done correctly. As you may guess the aftermath of a Big Bang wouldn't leave a whole lot of evidence of past civilizations, so we may never until we are blown away by the next Big Bang.
BTW - I'll take the credit for first hypothesizing how Big Bangs may be triggered.
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I don't see humans physiology as able to withstand acceleration to those levels..
read my example above: the nearest star is a 3.5 year journey at 1g. which is what you are experiencing right now.
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I think, I also heard..
Einsteins special relativity equation, (As interpreted by a real Physicist)
says that the closer you come to the speed of light, the greater the
power required to accelerate.. And it rises exponentially until it is infinite..
"infinite power" required.. And so, Impossible anyway..
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Iron Man - March, 1963
G.I. Joe - 1964
I, Robot - Written in 1950
Avatar - never understood the hype beyond the technology used to make it
Alphas and Superhuman(and any shows like them) - A rip-off of X-Men (September 1963)
Perhaps you meant District 9?
I blame Stan Lee :noid
Yeah District9, sorry it sucked anyway..
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Actually traveling at warp speed means that, yes, you are traveling a warp speed, but not really. The theory of traveling faster than light speed is to create a wave (probably some kind of cool name, geeks plz help me out here) in front of a space ship. The ship follows behind and controls the wave. The only problem is this takes way too much power to even attempt any such feat. Trying to generate this much power may actually trigger a Big Bang if not done correctly. As you may guess the aftermath of a Big Bang wouldn't leave a whole lot of evidence of past civilizations, so we may never until we are blown away by the next Big Bang.
BTW - I'll take the credit for first hypothesizing how Big Bangs may be triggered.
Warp space-time.
Mark "A" and "B" on a piece of paper at opposite sides. Draw a straight line between them. Usually the fastest distance between two points.
Now fold paper in half until A and B touch. Now they are much closer together.
This is a VERY crude and elementary way of explaining it.
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Yeah District9, sorry it sucked anyway..
Yes, yes it did. I literally asked for my money back.
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(As interpreted by a real Physicist)
T = time elapsed for astronauts = (c/a) asinh[at/c] = (c/a) acosh[(ad/c^2) + 1] = 2x 1.76y = 3.53y
t = time elapsed on earth = (c/a) sinh[aT/c] = sqrt[(d/c)^2 + 2d/a] = 2x 2.91y = 5.83y
</real physics>
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2 weeks
:cheers: Oz
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Warp space-time.
Mark "A" and "B" on a piece of paper at opposite sides. Draw a straight line between them. Usually the fastest distance between two points.
Now fold paper in half until A and B touch. Now they are much closer together.
This is a VERY crude and elementary way of explaining it.
Babylon 5 used a plot prop called a "Jumpgate".. which was an apparatus floating in space,
that could generate a field strong enough to open a portal into "Hyperspace", which was a space
between dimensions that the regular rules of Time/Space didn't apply.. Like a shortcut..
LOL, about as likely as "Lightspeed" or "Warp Drive"..
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LOL
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Babylon 5 used a plot prop called a "Jumpgate".. which was an apparatus floating in space,
that could generate a field strong enough to open a portal into "Hyperspace", which was a space
between dimensions that the regular rules of Time/Space didn't apply.. Like a shortcut..
LOL, about as likely as "Lightspeed" or "Warp Drive"..
*COUGH*
http://www.dhushara.com/book/quantcos/at/tele.htm (http://www.dhushara.com/book/quantcos/at/tele.htm)
If we are doing this now what will we be doing oin 100 years just look how far we camein the last 100 years and we are supposed to advance exponetially in the next 100 years so 100 times more than the equivelent of the last 100 years. Funny thing is I read about this first in Micheal Creightons "Timeline" form 12 years ago in the preface.
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*COUGH*
http://www.dhushara.com/book/quantcos/at/tele.htm (http://www.dhushara.com/book/quantcos/at/tele.htm)
If we are doing this now what will we be doing oin 100 years just look how far we camein the last 100 years and we are supposed to advance exponetially in the next 100 years so 100 times more than the equivelent of the last 100 years. Funny thing is I read about this first in Micheal Creightons "Timeline" form 12 years ago in the preface.
Well, honestly, I don't think we are going to see that kind of advancement any more..
For the huge majority, the Techno race has topped out.. The Overlords of our society
(meaning those with money and power enough to manipulate the geopolitical face
of the world) are already into the Next programme, "Post industrial Society"..
The whole "consumerism" model, and the industrial base required to serve the Billions
of people it has generated, is being dismantled right now.. Deaths vs Births have
already shifted to the negative in developed countries.. The industrial societies
are dying out.. This is by design!
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:noid
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Demolecularization. :old:
Afterwards your molecules are sent to a computer as a file. Send that file to a planet of your choice. I would suggest zipping the file first. Wouldn't want to lose something important. (7 zip) has been good to me and it's free.
Coogan ;)
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Well, honestly, I don't think we are going to see that kind of advancement any more..
trhing is if there are less people out there being made thats a good thing too many worthless dolts out there as is, population collapse from time to time is a good thing, it's happend to us before and we will neveer stop advancing. Look at your cell phone 10 tyears ago 1992! The cell phones of today were pure scify now everybody has a cell even in Kenya: this is the cell coverage in Kenya in 2010 (http://infoasaid.org/sites/infoasaid.org/files/mobile_telephone_network_coverage_of_kenya_in_2010.jpg)
Thqats an awful big market to get everybody to buy thaty 8g phone in about 6 years, so comapanys are going to need the next cool thing, $ is areason that we will bever stop advancing.
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trhing is if there are less people out there being made thats a good thing too many worthless dolts out there as is, population collapse from time to time is a good thing, it's happend to us before and we will neveer stop advancing. Look at your cell phone 10 tyears ago 1992! The cell phones of today were pure scify now everybody has a cell even in Kenya: this is the cell coverage in Kenya in 2010 (http://infoasaid.org/sites/infoasaid.org/files/mobile_telephone_network_coverage_of_kenya_in_2010.jpg)
Thqats an awful big market to get everybody to buy thaty 8g phone in about 6 years, so comapanys are going to need the next cool thing, $ is areason that we will bever stop advancing.
Sure, gotta have the latest electronic livestock tag.. Moooo???
Gotta keep the herd busy with the little flashing lights..
While the world changes around them.. That way, before
the cattle even realize it, they are already in the stockchutes!
I have work to do, was fun.. :salute
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Sure, gotta have the latest electronic livestock tag.. Moooo???
Gotta keep the herd busy with the little flashing lights..
While the world changes around them.. That way, before
the cattle even realize it, they are already in the stockchutes!
I have work to do, was fun.. :salute
exactly and you gotta feed that livestock with goodies otherwise they find greener patures so, $drives technology and who kknows what we will descover on accipurpose like alot of discoveries have happened. for what its wort I turne dmy phone off a cpl monts ago since i never really used it(im either at work or home)
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Voyager will get there 1st! :aok
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For arguement's sake, let's say Einstein was correct with lightspeed and time differential between the space traveler and the people of Earth after the traveler left. He postulated that one year at lightspeed would equal 100 years on the Earth. And, technology in the future has no negative drawbacks. Humans developed the means of instant communication between the planets over 4 light years distant.
In the year 2100 AD, humans have developed the means to travel at the speed of light safely in a spaceship. The crew of the spaceship spends 4 years at light speed traveling to Alpha Cenaturi to land on a planet orbiting the twin star system. For the travelers, it's 2104 AD roughly and on Earth it's roughly 2500 AD.
In the year 2200 AD, humans have improved on lightspeed technology to increase speed to twice that of light speed. A new crew is launched with the improved spaceship to Alpha Centauri. After roughly 2 years at twice the speed of light, the crew is roughly at 2202 AD and the on Earth it's roughly 2400 AD.
In the year 2300 AD, humans have doubled the lightspeed technology again to 4 times the speed of light. Another crew is sent to Alpha Centauri with the improved spaceship. After one year traveling there, the crew would be around 2301 AD and the Earth would be at 2400 AD.
Now for the questions.
Which human crew would arrive first on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri?
Which crew be the first to communicate with Earth?
well if the first spaceship has a warp drive then it's pretty much a matter of getting there in a few minutes. here's everything you need to know about your question.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp_drive
semp
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I can understand alot BUT I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ABOUT
:cry
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Warp space-time.
Mark "A" and "B" on a piece of paper at opposite sides. Draw a straight line between them. Usually the fastest distance between two points.
Now fold paper in half until A and B touch. Now they are much closer together.
This is a VERY crude and elementary way of explaining it.
Wasn't that how Sam Neill explained it in the movie Event Horizon?
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I can understand alot BUT I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ABOUT
:cry
Cypherin' it's all about the cypherin' Tracefi.
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In the year 2100 AD, humans have developed the means to travel at the speed of light safely in a spaceship. The crew of the spaceship spends 4 years at light speed traveling to Alpha Cenaturi to land on a planet orbiting the twin star system. For the travelers, it's 2104 AD roughly and on Earth it's roughly 2500 AD.
thought about this one for a bit longer. if you mean that the ship can instantly get to c, travel to the star then stop instantly, 4 years will have elapsed on earth when it arrives. for the astronauts, they step into the craft, buckle up, unbuckle and step out. their journey takes no time at all. its effectively a teleporter. the infinite acceleration at either end wouldnt be good for them, they would definitely need a lie down after that.
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Wasn't that how Sam Neill explained it in the movie Event Horizon?
Pretty much.
That is also pretty much how it would work if space-time could
A) be be warped or folded at will
B) or wormholes existed or could be created
We already know that gravity can bend light and therefore, theoretically warp space-time. It is one of the tools used by Einstein when trying to prove his theories as evidenced from the photos of the 1922 eclipse that the "Wallal expeditions" took of light bending as it passed by a massive body with gravity which , in this case, was our sun. He had to wait until prime eclipse conditions existed however, so the evidence could be obtained.
Einstein put up with a lot of ridicule until this evidence was obtained.
EDIT:
It apparently looks a bit like this when it happens (the earth being the massive object and the grid being space-time):
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/gravity-probe-confirms-einstein-theories-space-time_35284_600x450.jpg)
Here is a link for more info.
http://www.windwardcomputer.com/blog/2011/05/13/einsteins-theories-confirmed-again-by-nasa-probe/ (http://www.windwardcomputer.com/blog/2011/05/13/einsteins-theories-confirmed-again-by-nasa-probe/)
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http://www.ibiblio.org/samneill/sounds/eh/explanation.wav
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For arguement's sake, let's say Einstein was correct with lightspeed and time differential between the space traveler and the people of Earth after the traveler left. He postulated that one year at lightspeed would equal 100 years on the Earth. And, technology in the future has no negative drawbacks. Humans developed the means of instant communication between the planets over 4 light years distant.
In the year 2100 AD, humans have developed the means to travel at the speed of light safely in a spaceship. The crew of the spaceship spends 4 years at light speed traveling to Alpha Cenaturi to land on a planet orbiting the twin star system. For the travelers, it's 2104 AD roughly and on Earth it's roughly 2500 AD.
In the year 2200 AD, humans have improved on lightspeed technology to increase speed to twice that of light speed. A new crew is launched with the improved spaceship to Alpha Centauri. After roughly 2 years at twice the speed of light, the crew is roughly at 2202 AD and the on Earth it's roughly 2400 AD.
In the year 2300 AD, humans have doubled the lightspeed technology again to 4 times the speed of light. Another crew is sent to Alpha Centauri with the improved spaceship. After one year traveling there, the crew would be around 2301 AD and the Earth would be at 2400 AD.
Now for the questions.
Which human crew would arrive first on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri?
Which crew be the first to communicate with Earth?
The 2300 crew would arrive first since the quadrupling of the top speed would also have produced a means to protect the inhabitants of the craft from the acceleration/deceleration stresses and it could be performed more rapidly. The 2200 crew would arrive later by the time dependent on said accel/decel but would be relatively close to the same time. The first crew would arrive 1 year after, Cenauri time, the 2200 crew plus the difference in accel/decel time.
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I don't have enough information. One quick question:
Is it an African Swallow or a European Swallow?
Boo
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I don't have enough information. One quick question:
Is it an African Swallow or a European Swallow?
Boo
It depends on how good it can grip the husk
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Ready for the answer?
Once each crew left and went into lightspeed, three seperate timelines were created and each timeline would not include the other two crews.
30 plus years of Trek have taight me to not put much thought into space-time paradoxes and such. It gives you a bad headache.