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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Midway on August 27, 2012, 08:25:27 PM
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... damage it (accumlates hit points) so that future shots to that wing are on a weakend wing?
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If I recall correctly, when you end the sortie, you get a brand new plane for the next one.
But scrapping the wing on the ground does give everyone else a good laugh. :lol
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If I recall correctly, when you end the sortie, you get a brand new plane for the next one.
But scrapping the wing on the ground does give everyone else a good laugh. :lol
Understood with a new sortie. I'm asking about this in reference to the same sortie. I frequently scrape my wing on take off on purpose turning and lifting quickly. Does this weaken the wing for when I get into a fight later in the same sortie?
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Understood with a new sortie. I'm asking about this in reference to the same sortie. I frequently scrape my wing on take off on purpose turning and lifting quickly. Does this weaken the wing for when I get into a fight later in the same sortie?
Yes, it's damaging to the wing, why are you scraping your wing on purpose? You are doing yourself a disservice. The art of flying is easy to learn with the understanding of a few basic concepts. Allowing the earth to touch any part of your aircraft except for the bottom of your wheels is a recipe for disaster. It sounds like you are trying to turn on course to soon. Take off is very easy to accomplish, Roll onto the runway, slowly advance the throttle, maintain directional control with rudder steering, as airspeed builds, raise the tail (conventional gear) to the takeoff attitude, ensure that full throttle has been applied, wait for aircraft to fly off the runway. Slowly lower nose and allow aircraft to accelerate to climb speed. Climb out, raise gear, flaps and finally turn on course.
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or use auto takeoff. :O
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or use auto takeoff. :O
not always that simple
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Just trying to help a rookie.
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Understood with a new sortie. I'm asking about this in reference to the same sortie. I frequently scrape my wing on take off on purpose turning and lifting quickly. Does this weaken the wing for when I get into a fight later in the same sortie?
Seriously?
Why would you do a stupid thing like that?
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Seriously?
Why would you do a stupid thing like that?
:O Bad guy is barrelling down :joystick: on me :frown: trying to vulch, I'm turning, trying to lift asap :airplane: to get off the runway :uhoh and out of his guns. :cry When I do get up :bolt: and get him :joystick:, I'm off looking for other cons :huh, not knowing if my wing scraping :headscratch: on the concrete caused any damage :confused: (or weakened it)... ergo my :headscratch: question. :)
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You're taking off from a capped field, partaking in a vulchfest instead of taking off 1 field back and coming in with a much more controllable situation, and you're worried you might bend your wingtip, resulting in fewer HP's for your wing?
The answer to your question is this: It doesn't matter. You're in a capped field, and there are tons of bad guys gunning for you. Even if it DID make a huge difference, it really wouldn't matter, because you're a dead man flying any way you look at that situation.
Vulchfests are the reward for the people who establish complete air supremacy over your field. You can either pad their scores, or catch 'em unawares from behind and above- that's WAY more fun, and smart.
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You're taking off from a capped field, partaking in a vulchfest instead of taking off 1 field back and coming in with a much more controllable situation, and you're worried you might bend your wingtip, resulting in fewer HP's for your wing?
The answer to your question is this: It doesn't matter. You're in a capped field, and there are tons of bad guys gunning for you. Even if it DID make a huge difference, it really wouldn't matter, because you're a dead man flying any way you look at that situation.
Vulchfests are the reward for the people who establish complete air supremacy over your field. You can either pad their scores, or catch 'em unawares from behind and above- that's WAY more fun, and smart.
Did I say tons of bad guys? :headscratch: Don't think so. Think I said a bad "guy" -- not "guys".
Regardless of the situation, I just want to get a clear answer to my question. I suspect scraping a wing does not weaken it in AH. Just wanted confirmation. :)
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Did I say tons of bad guys? :headscratch: Don't think so. Think I said a bad "guy" -- not "guys".
Regardless of the situation, I just want to get a clear answer to my question. I suspect scraping a wing does not weaken it in AH. Just wanted confirmation. :)
You say that you are interested in a clear answer to your question. I didn't think my answer could get any clearer then the one I provided so here it is again "Yes, it's damaging to the wing" Do you underestand my answer?
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You say that you are interested in a clear answer to your question. I didn't think my answer could get any clearer then the one I provided so here it is again "Yes, it's damaging to the wing" Do you underestand my answer?
Depends. Are you an authority on the subject? Was really looking for an HTC answer, but if you're an authority... well, then I can take that answer as gospel. :headscratch:
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Depends. Are you an authority on the subject? Was really looking for an HTC answer, but if you're an authority... well, then I can take that answer as gospel. :headscratch:
Just like scraping your props on the ground can damage them, so can dragging your wings on the ground.
ack-ack
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Just like scraping your props on the ground can damage them, so can dragging your wings on the ground.
ack-ack
Also damage is cumulative,thats why sometime you see a single ping removal of a wing as someone else has already done most of the damage.
Probably not a good idea in any event!
YMMV.
:salute
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Just like scraping your props on the ground can damage them, so can dragging your wings on the ground.
ack-ack
I realize you can lose part of a wing. What I'm asking is if I get off the ground with no damage showing on my damage text report and no visible damage to the wing... is it likely to be weakened due to signficant scraping on the concrete? :joystick:
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Depends. Are you an authority on the subject? Was really looking for an HTC answer, but if you're an authority... well, then I can take that answer as gospel. :headscratch:
Then you should ask HTC directly via eMail and not waste everyone’s time. It's just rude. It appeares to me that you just enjoy arguing with everyone.
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I realize you can lose part of a wing. What I'm asking is if I get off the ground with no damage showing on my damage text report and no visible damage to the wing... is it likely to be weakened due to signficant scraping on the concrete? :joystick:
What the hell does it matter? You're in an AIRPLANE. Airplanes + Earth = Damage. End of line.
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Then you should ask HTC directly via eMail and not waste everyone’s time. It's just rude. It appeares to me that you just enjoy arguing with everyone.
Others may be interested in the answer too. :aok
PS: Exactly with whom am I arguing? I'm simply asking a question whether the damage model / program is coded for this as weakening a wing or not. I understand many have opinions and views re real life aeroplanes... but I'm not asking for either. I'm asking for the answer to my factual question re Aces High. No argument... just seeking truth regarding the game. :)
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Wow .... this all comes down to considering your ways I'm sorry Midway..This beratement is a flow on effect of not considering...Indeed!!...A couple of the others here need to pull their heads in though ...... the question is being asked because ...you can get shot in the wing and show no actual damage but we all know that this is implemented in the coding to cause damage to the wing thus weakening it.... It would/could be of interest as I also scrape my wings doing the exact same thing...I also tap my tail on GV's on a regular basis..... I have never lost my tail or parts doing this even after 4-5 consecutive taps and I don't believe it has weakened it either..but hey....what do I know...I just pay and play :D.....So it does beg the question is it attributed to the damage of your aircraft....I believe the staff only could answer this question with total accuracy... unless someone has asked and been given an answer..... it isn't open and shut really..... GV's ...when you roll them...does this weaken them on the damage scale....
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Wow .... this all comes down to considering your ways I'm sorry Midway..This beratement is a flow on effect of not considering...Indeed!!...A couple of the others here need to pull their heads in though ...... the question is being asked because ...you can get shot in the wing and show no actual damage but we all know that this is implemented in the coding to cause damage to the wing thus weakening it.... It would/could be of interest as I also scrape my wings doing the exact same thing...I also tap my tail on GV's on a regular basis..... I have never lost my tail or parts doing this even after 4-5 consecutive taps and I don't believe it has weakened it either..but hey....what do I know...I just pay and play :D.....So it does beg the question is it attributed to the damage of your aircraft....I believe the staff only could answer this question with total accuracy... unless someone has asked and been given an answer..... it isn't open and shut really..... GV's ...when you roll them...does this weaken them on the damage scale....
Well put, and exactly what I am asking. I appreciate people have opinions, but am not so much interested in those with this question. I would like to know factually in Aces High whether this weakens a wing. :salute
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I'd like to think that scraping a wing during takeoff would cause damage.
I'm usually shot down to quickly to notice. :furious
Coogan
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It's been asked and answered. It does damage. I believe HTC weighed in after the Nth time the question was brought up.
EDIT: I MAY have to retract that... I seem to recall somewhere it was mentioned it does something very minor, but I just dug one one post by pyro in this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,231862.0.html
Where he claims the scrapes buff right out, and not to worry as long as you don't do structural damage....
So, maybe it only damages if you hit hard enough to break the wing off.
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I used to do this for extended periods for fun, both on the tarmac and the water. In my observation there is no noticeable weakening of the structure afterwards.
Reminds me of a bug though...
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It's been asked and answered. It does damage. I believe HTC weighed in after the Nth time the question was brought up.
EDIT: I MAY have to retract that... I seem to recall somewhere it was mentioned it does something very minor, but I just dug one one post by pyro in this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,231862.0.html
Where he claims the scrapes buff right out, and not to worry as long as you don't do structural damage....
So, maybe it only damages if you hit hard enough to break the wing off.
Thank you. :salute
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I wanted to know that too, cause I also do it quite often :D It never appeared to me it damaged anything.
Did you guys ever use a field ack's bump to get in the air quicker? Funny as hell but quite dangerous :old:
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I wanted to know that too, cause I also do it quite often :D It never appeared to me it damaged anything.
Did you guys ever use a field ack's bump to get in the air quicker? Funny as hell but quite dangerous :old:
Yes. :D
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You have all scraped your heads on the runway.
It did some damage.
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Others may be interested in the answer too. :aok
PS: Exactly with whom am I arguing? I'm simply asking a question whether the damage model / program is coded for this as weakening a wing or not. I understand many have opinions and views re real life aeroplanes... but I'm not asking for either. I'm asking for the answer to my factual question re Aces High. No argument... just seeking truth regarding the game. :)
Well for one, you appear to be argumentative with me. I answered your question based on my having read somewhere within the forums that yes, damage, all damage is cumulative and that by striking the ground with a wing you are inflicting some type of cumulative damage. As I would not be considered an authority on the subject, that is, not authorized to speak on behalf of HiTech Creations, you would never accept what I say, at least according to you. Therefor I question why you would ask any question in any of the public forums, as you are only interested in receiving official responses from HiTech?
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Well I hope you don't feel "special" Traveler, Midway post ONLY to get attention, ANY attention including people explaining their answers trying to "help" him.
Give it up, and in Midways case add him to the "ignore list". Personally I can't see why a player who alienates so many other players is allowed to continue in the game and on the boards.
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striking the ground with a wing you are inflicting some type of cumulative damage.
I would really like to see proof of that.
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I would really like to see proof of that.
Me too.
Traveler, I appreciate your view but am looking for a definative answer. If you have some form of proof or can speak with certainty for HTC, I can certainly accept that. Pyro's post seems to indicate it causes no weakness in the wing. You seem to think it does. I'm thinking Pyro's answer is correct. Do you disagree and if so, why?
As far as why I ask here. It is because others may be interested in the answer. I am thinking this help forum section is the proper place to ask the question, get an official and correct answer, and let others benefit from the information as to how AH really works.
Please don't be offended because I don't accept your answer without proof or official confirmation. I just want the correct answer. Don't you?
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Well I hope you don't feel "special" Traveler, Midway post ONLY to get attention, ANY attention including people explaining their answers trying to "help" him.
Give it up, and in Midways case add him to the "ignore list". Personally I can't see why a player who alienates so many other players is allowed to continue in the game and on the boards.
What a sad statement, Fugitive. I believe and hope that you're smarter than this sounds.
I post this question to get a correct answer. Has nothing to do with attention. That's just silly. :rolleyes:
You seem to be rubbed the wrong way by my personality. That's ok, we all have people we just find it difficult to get along with. I have good friends too, as I'm sure you do. We'll likely just have to agree to disagree on some issues. Ignore me if that helps you somehow. I won't ignore you, because I do find value in many of your posts (or humour). :aok
:salute
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Krusty, need any volunteers in a jeep to shoot your wingtips off after consistently dragging them down a few lengths of runway? :x :aok
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I believe it would cause some level of damage and here's why:
You can bend a prop on a tree (and remain flying) or break the gear by hitting them too hard on touchdown. You can also flatten and kill an engine on a 262 by slapping the ground with it. I've done all these things and can attest they do damage. As an extension of that then I would assume hitting those parts more gently would also cause damage but not to the point of failure. If I can make that assumption then by extension I'd have to believe hitting any part of your plane on the ground would cause some level of damage. Taken to it's extreme I've ripped the wings and/or tail sections off my plane on a crash landing or ditch so again, I have no reason to believe what Midway describes does no damage even though it hasn't caused immediate failure of the affected part.
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I believe it would cause some level of damage and here's why:
You can bend a prop on a tree (and remain flying) or break the gear by hitting them too hard on touchdown. You can also flatten and kill an engine on a 262 by slapping the ground with it. I've done all these things and can attest they do damage. As an extension of that then I would assume hitting those parts more gently would also cause damage but not to the point of failure. If I can make that assumption then by extension I'd have to believe hitting any part of your plane on the ground would cause some level of damage. Taken to it's extreme I've ripped the wings and/or tail sections off my plane on a crash landing or ditch so again, I have no reason to believe what Midway describes does no damage even though it hasn't caused immediate failure of the affected part.
Pryo's comment though makes it sound like it does no damage. I wish HTC would weigh in and provide an answer.
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Also damage is cumulative,thats why sometime you see a single ping removal of a wing as someone else has already done most of the damage.
Probably not a good idea in any event!
YMMV.
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If the wing tip hits the ground the damage should be added to what would fall off as the wing tip.
scrape one wing then have some one shoot it with a m3 gun. count the hit till the wing tip falls off. now shoot the undamaged wing tip.
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<snip> I wish HTC would weigh in and provide an answer.
Maybe HTC personnel have better things to do that constantly answer some peoples seemingly neverending off the wall questions.
FYI, it's Pyro
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Maybe HTC personnel have better things to do that constantly answer some peoples seemingly neverending off the wall questions.
FYI, it's Pyro
You're saying you're Pyro? Is so, please yes or no... does scraping a wing on the ground cause weakening of the wing when there is no damage listed on the damage report?
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You're saying you're Pyro? Is so, please yes or no... does scraping a wing on the ground cause weakening of the wing when there is no damage listed on the damage report?
Funny how someone can type something and you get something completely different from it, then again it doesn't surprise me at all.
Show me where I say I'm Pyro???
How this???? any clearer?
Pryo's comment though makes it sound like it does no damage. <snip>
FYI, it's Pyro.
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Funny how someone can type something and you get something completely different from it, then again it doesn't surprise me at all.
Show me where I say I'm Pyro???
How this???? any clearer?
FYI, it's Pyro.
Yes, it's clearer... but all Pyro said was don't worry about it, it will buff right out. That could imply the damage is very small. Traveller and others are of the opinion it does cause damage. I would just like a clear yes or no. :bhead
Seems to me to be a reasonable request in the "help" section... but maybe I'm wrong. :headscratch:
FYI, it's who. :)
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Yes, it's clearer... but all Pyro said was don't worry about it, it will buff right out. That could imply the damage is very small. Traveller and others are of the opinion it does cause damage. I would just like a clear yes or no. :bhead
Re: Damage model -- wingtip versus runway
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2008, 10:53:15 AM »
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As long as you don't do any structural damage, don't worry about the scrapes. They'll buff right out.
You've been answered.
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yes, you are wrong.
Are you out of your mind?
The world does not revolve around you, and your silly question has been answered in a silly way. If you want proof, test it yourself. :aok
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Re: Damage model -- wingtip versus runway
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2008, 10:53:15 AM »
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As long as you don't do any structural damage, don't worry about the scrapes. They'll buff right out.
You've been answered.
Ok, I accept that... had a bit of doubt, but it makes sense now. Scraping the wing on the concrete does not weaken or damage the wing in any way as long as the damage text list shows no damage.
I'll take that as the truth from HTC. Hopefully others that read or posted here learned something as well. Thank you. :)
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Ok, I accept that... had a bit of doubt, but it makes sense now. Scraping the wing on the concrete does not weaken or damage the wing in any way as long as the damage text list shows no damage.
I'll take that as the truth from HTC. Hopefully others that read or posted here learned something as well. Thank you. :)
I don't think scraping the wing causes... damage over all - for example I bounce quite hard when I land, I never had landing gears shed off.... Now if you take off and forget to raise your landing gears they will shed off after you get some speed.
I do know if you bump a building doing 5mph it will shred a wing right off even if you barely touch the wingtip, few times I've taken off I've scrapped a few wings, hell I even had one spin me 90 degrees around.
Its a bit surprisingly that we don't have it modeled for damage, if you scrap a wingtip wouldn't it come off? or seriously damage the wing? I wouldn't think so since there are no major... systems int he wing tips, maybe a Spitfire with the outboard .303, but I dont
think it would be damaged by scraping wings.
my 2 cents
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I don't think scraping the wing causes... damage over all - for example I bounce quite hard when I land, I never had landing gears shed off.... Now if you take off and forget to raise your landing gears they will shed off after you get some speed.
I do know if you bump a building doing 5mph it will shred a wing right off even if you barely touch the wingtip, few times I've taken off I've scrapped a few wings, hell I even had one spin me 90 degrees around.
Its a bit surprisingly that we don't have it modeled for damage, if you scrap a wingtip wouldn't it come off? or seriously damage the wing? I wouldn't think so since there are no major... systems int he wing tips, maybe a Spitfire with the outboard .303, but I dont
think it would be damaged by scraping wings.
my 2 cents
we have other stress noises that are not accompanied with damage. gear, g forces, belly landings, midways 200 chatter. :neener:
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we have other stress noises that are not accompanied with damage. gear, g forces, belly landings, midways 200 chatter. :neener:
:rofl
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No wonder one wing is always easier to tear off than the other. :t
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just try it out for yourself slowly drag a wingtip along and see if it breaks off...TADA :devil
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If two of you care enough, really, take a spitfire and a jeep, turn off killshooter, and test it in a private arena.
# of bullet to wing tip with no scrape.
# of bullets to wing tip with minimal scrape.
# of bullets to wing tip that scraped from one of the runway to the other.
I think I know why Skuzzy took a vacation now.