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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on September 01, 2012, 08:40:18 PM
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looks like a possibility.......
http://www.mustangevolution.com/mustang-news/could-there-be-a-shelby-gts-mustang-police-interceptor-in-the-future/
and el paso's already using them apparently......
The police department of El Paso, TX has a new weapon in their arsenal to crack down on speeders – a fleet of thirteen 2012 Ford Mustangs GTs. Officer Sergio Cordova is one of the lucky police officers who gets to drive one of the new Mustangs, and he appreciates the fact that his job is to drive a muscle car around all day. “Where else are you going to get paid to drive a high-performance car at a high speed?” he says.
http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2012/02/20/el-paso-tx-using-2012-ford-mustangs-as-undercover-cop-cars/
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For highway use or traffic patrol of areas where the officer spends a lot of time just driving the roads, especially away from the city and in ares of 55 mph and faster limits, I think that the 5.0 Mustang is the best bang for the buck out there.
The cops will get a 400+ hp vehicle that's capable of running some very high speeds very safely, for not a whole lot more money than a regular performance patrol car like the ones Chrysler is building for most of the departments. The insides of the Mustang aren't that much smaller than the 4 door Dodge's that many departments up here are running, and you get a WAY better performing car.
My old man finished his career off in traffic back in the late 90's, and he drove a notchback 92 Mustang GT for the last year, and loved it. The RCMP here in Canada did away with them though around that time, and haven't done much in the way of high speed interceptor type police vehicles since. This would be a great time for them to start again, with the 2012 or 13 Ford GT's.
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In Winter Park there's a police officer who drives a red 2006 Mustang GT. He usually goes to the local race track to promote legal racing instead of street racing.
That 'Stang is flippin fast, to.
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The Police Interceptor is Ford's replacement for the Crown Vic. I didn't know they ever stopped using Mustangs as speed trap/pursuit cars. I guess Chargers filled that role.
I remember the first time I rolled up behind a CHP Camaro and had a serious WTF moment. The lights in the back window caught my eye before I noticed Highway Patrol across the rear spoiler. :O
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In Winter Park there's a police officer who drives a red 2006 Mustang GT. He usually goes to the local race track to promote legal racing instead of street racing.
That 'Stang is flippin fast, to.
there's quite a few towns locally that have their own police racers too. they do the same thign.....go to the track, and try to encourage kids to not race on the streets. most depts around here seem to be re-equipping with the new chargers. the funny thing bout them is that here in cherry hill, they don't appear much faster than the old crown vics, but they do look much more stable at speed. and they look cooler too. :aok
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The Police Interceptor is Ford's replacement for the Crown Vic. I didn't know they ever stopped using Mustangs as speed trap/pursuit cars. I guess Chargers filled that role.
I remember the first time I rolled up behind a CHP Camaro and had a serious WTF moment. The lights in the back window caught my eye before I noticed Highway Patrol across the rear spoiler. :O
i think they stopped building a pursuit mustang in 93.
quick funny story........back in the late 80's early 90's, i was driving to florida in my mustang. a 80-something camaro blew by me like i wasn't moving....i was doing about 75. clutched it, dropped to 4th, and was about to punch it, when for whatevr reason i thought the better of it, put it back in 5th. and just continued on my merry way. not 5 seconds later, a georgia state patrol car(mustang) comes friggin SCREAMING by me. thank GOD i didn't go after the camaro.
passed them about 5 miles up the road.
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Our state troopers around here have chargers. Our city cops have a vette that they took from some drug bust and parade it around from time to time.
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Our city police use Chargers mainly...Troopers and Sheriffs still use the CV's.
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all those racing cars that police use are just perks for the officers :old:.
semp
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Our city police use Chargers mainly...Troopers and Sheriffs still use the CV's.
The crown vic has served well....still can't believe Ford is done making them. Our agency has a mix bag of chargers and the new caprice. Btw the caprice will haul @$&*%$ too!
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Ohio State Highway Patrol converting to Chargers. Most cities in my area doing the same.
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Back in the day, our local police were using the Dodge Polara Police cars..
They had 3 Special Pursuit cars, all Dayglo orange.. We all called them the "Pumpkins"..
73 Polara, 440 interceptor, full boogie too, sixpac all of it.. Rollbars and everything..
They would street race the things too, without bustin ya..
Just a roll up challenge at a stoplight, with a big smirk on their face..
Things were really "Cool" back in the day!
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How does a two door work logistically as a police cruiser?
Has the new taurus based cruiser begun production or are they still in the design phase?
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How does a two door work logistically as a police cruiser?
Has the new taurus based cruiser begun production or are they still in the design phase?
Well they all have radios so they can just call a 4 door to come and haul anyone away.
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Most agencies in our area use 2dr for traffic enforcement/pursuit intervention only. If a transport unit is needed they call for a patrol unit. I believe the Taurus is starting to fill fleet inventories. I just haven't seen any in southeast Texas yet.
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Chevy is supposedly going to bring out the new Chevy "SS", based on a revised (lightened) holden commodore (zeta 2?) platform, and there have been lots of sightings of police versions out for testing. 4 doors, nearly 400hp in basic V8 trim using an LS derivative motor. If it handles anywhere near as nicely as the pontiac G8 it should be a total hoot to drive, with better performance and handling than the dodgy chargers. Of course a mustang will still be faster but the Chebby SS will still be a very competent cross between typical cop cruiser and pursuit vehicle, able to keep up with just about anything on the road.
My Dad drove CHP 5.0 (4.9!) mustang LX pursuit cars for years before taking a desk job so it's neat to see them come back.
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Could have sworn ford was contracted to build a new police interceptor based on the 2011 Taurus.
They bringing back the mustang along side of the taurus?
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Yes Tank, they are. I still think Ford is going to regret the day they decided to kill the Vic.
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Killing off the B body Caprice/Impala platform ranks up there as one of the stupidest moves GM ever made. By 98 it would have had the 405 horse LSx from the Corvette. Even with the LT-1/LT-4, it was a beast, the LSx series would take 100# off the front and add nearly 100HP.
The really nasty surprise around here is the 1LE Tahoe, we tuned a couple of them for the ICE unit. They outrun the CV, and get close in handling, if they'd let us drop one 2" and change wheels ............................. .....
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Another bonehead move was GM not making a SS version of the Impala until the last couple years of production.
Ford missed the boat the same way in making the Marauder available way too late in the game.
We have chargers here but I do remember seeing a few local detective police impalas with the 300hp SS V8 front drive but not very many.
Here in west palm, they rely on stealth and numbers rather than speed.
The highway patrol are the same and you could find unmarked cars from a hummer to a camry.
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Texas has used mustangs and camaros for some time. Around Houston there are many camaro cruisers. Many are stealth.
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Texas has used mustangs and camaros for some time. Around Houston there are many camaro cruisers. Many are stealth.
The ghost markings are pretty sweet looking. I'll have to ask the troopers in our beat if there is any talk of them going to the mustang. I know they love their chargers, especially in the rural areas.
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Our city police use Chargers mainly...Troopers and Sheriffs still use the CV's.
how the hell they get those dam cv's around in traffic?
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all those racing cars that police use are just perks for the officers :old:.
semp
yea, well they gotta have something....they get to deal with the schmucks of their localities all the time.....
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Back in the day, our local police were using the Dodge Polara Police cars..
They had 3 Special Pursuit cars, all Dayglo orange.. We all called them the "Pumpkins"..
73 Polara, 440 interceptor, full boogie too, sixpac all of it.. Rollbars and everything..
They would street race the things too, without bustin ya..
Just a roll up challenge at a stoplight, with a big smirk on their face..
Things were really "Cool" back in the day!
ya know? back in the 80's there were about a half dozen local police from different towns that would do this? it depended though. you try to mess with them with ANY traffic, and you were done. late night, only the 2 of ya at the light though? it was on. had one pulled me over after i thoroughly thrashed him. we talked for nearly an hour about what i'd done to my car.
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Well they all have radios so they can just call a 4 door to come and haul anyone away.
i think with the new mustang, that would be their only choice.....or strap the perp ont he roof. to call the rear seat in the new stangs useless is an understatement.
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Most agencies in our area use 2dr for traffic enforcement/pursuit intervention only. If a transport unit is needed they call for a patrol unit. I believe the Taurus is starting to fill fleet inventories. I just haven't seen any in southeast Texas yet.
supposedly cherry hill nj was going to use the taurus....the turbo awd versions. for whatever reason, they went to the charger instead.
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The next town over from me is using the Taurus...not a bad looking vehicle actually.
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how the hell they get those dam cv's around in traffic?
I guess I used the wrong abbreviation for this forum. :)
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The next town over from me is using the Taurus...not a bad looking vehicle actually.
one of my customers bought a base model taurus......these new ones ain't your fathers taurus......good looking car. I guess I used the wrong abbreviation for this forum. :)
heheheheheh.....sorry, i couldn't resist. :neener:
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Well they all have radios so they can just call a 4 door to come and haul anyone away.
Problem with that....you need more cruisers. I wondered why the Charger was 4 doors.
It was to enter the Police Car business. It is doing better then anyone in that area now.
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Here in Wayne County, they have an unmarked Challenger and a couple of Camaros, for just traffic enforcement. I had a some random idiot tail-gating me, but I had already caught enough of the Challenger door to see the emblem. The guy behind me dropped a gear and punched it going around me. Then on came the lights.
I haven't seen a Mustang used for Police work here and it would be neat to see the return of them. The notchbacks were awesome back in the early-mid 90's.
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How does a two door work logistically as a police cruiser?
Has the new taurus based cruiser begun production or are they still in the design phase?
What Kilo said.
Well they all have radios so they can just call a 4 door to come and haul anyone away.
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Some florida highway patrol cars.
Early 80s mustang pursuit car.
(http://www.specialservicemustang.net/images/83fhp.jpg)
1986 auction photo.
(http://www.specialservicemustang.net/images/FHProof.jpg)
Turbo Trans Am.
(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp30/mrafx/Pontiac%2520Trans%2520Am%252077-78/1aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafl.jpg)
Dodge Stealth twin turbo AWD.
(http://www.sspmustang.org/images/89_FHP_dodge_stealth.jpg)
Camaro
(http://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/misc/vehequip/images/Camaro1.jpg)
Sneaky guys have camry, avalanches, hummers and other unmarked vehicles.
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4141/4788781980_a615925ee2_z.jpg)
Mazda Miata
(http://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/misc/vehequip/images/Mazda.jpg)
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A few pics of the RCMP Mustangs circa 1990's here in Canada.
(http://www.sspmustang.org/images/RCMP_93_SSP_10.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6130/5992078688_6b8c0c499b_z.jpg)
(http://www.sspmustang.org/images/rcmp_1993_front_view.JPG)
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The florida FHP camaros were neat.. Over 60% were lost in crashes. My uncle used to drive one of the fhp fox body mustangs early in his career. Now he is in an unmarked maurader.
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Could have sworn ford was contracted to build a new police interceptor based on the 2011 Taurus.
They bringing back the mustang along side of the taurus?
(http://image.automobilemag.com/f/30306325%2Bw750%2Bst0/2012-ford-taurus-police-interceptor-front-three-quarters-driver.jpg)
(http://www.themustangnews.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/FordInterceptorUtlty_01t.jpg)
I saw one of these in our lot the other day. Not sure if that's what we are going to or not. We have quite the mix of Chargers, Tahoes, Crown Vics, Expeditions, and one poor guys in an Explorer. It was too small to fit all the radio equipment, MDC, and controls so that had to take out the front passenger seat. :rofl
(http://www.distrocars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2011-Chevrolet-Caprice-Police-Patrol-Vehicle-Front-Side-590x433.jpg)
New Caprice comes with a 6.0 L V8
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yea, the caprice is a good looking car...but based on one of the holdens i believe........
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yea, the caprice is a good looking car...but based on one of the holdens i believe........
It makes a difference what the platform is? Or what GM division it originated in?
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It makes a difference what the platform is? Or what GM division it originated in?
not really........but i would prefer if chevy was still chevy though. trust me when i tell you it pissed me off that ford took and put the lowly escort name on the mazdas.
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yea, the caprice is a good looking car...but based on one of the holdens i believe........
Zeta II platform. Zeta I used for holden commodore, pontiac G8, Camaro, maybe others. Zeta was very competent but a bit heavy so they've re-worked it for 2013 VF Commodore update, Chevy SS, and Police Caprice.
http://blogs.motortrend.com/hold-on-holden-next-years-chevy-ss-is-not-just-another-g8-23317.html
http://blog.caranddriver.com/chevrolet-supersport-sedan-coming-in-2013-wagon-and-ute-body-styles-possible-for-next-gen-on-zeta-ii/
Up next is this becoming Chevy's next NASCAR showcase, and opening a production line in the US to allow sale to more police departments. This is how it should have gone to begin with instead of making a half-arsed attempt to import the pontiac-only G8 back in 2008.
Interestingly enough, in Australia the Commodore has a factory approved trailer hitch option including factory bumper fascia cutouts, that can tow somewhere around 3000 lbs. It's a robust platform. GM only rated it for a teeny tiny trailer hitch in the us but apparently the Aussie factory hitch is decent. The factory hitch cutouts were even molded into the G8 rear fascia but I don't think there are any hitches that can use it. Maybe one of the holden hitches would use that cutout but it would be very expensive to import and would probably instantly void the powertrain warranty.
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not really........but i would prefer if chevy was still chevy though. trust me when i tell you it pissed me off that ford took and put the lowly escort name on the mazdas.
GM has not had brand specific platforms (outside the Corvette, the Corvair, and the Chevette) in your lifetime or mine. They've shared frames/floorpans since the fifties.
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Zeta II platform. Zeta I used for holden commodore, pontiac G8, Camaro, maybe others. Zeta was very competent but a bit heavy so they've re-worked it for 2013 VF Commodore update, Chevy SS, and Police Caprice.
http://blogs.motortrend.com/hold-on-holden-next-years-chevy-ss-is-not-just-another-g8-23317.html
http://blog.caranddriver.com/chevrolet-supersport-sedan-coming-in-2013-wagon-and-ute-body-styles-possible-for-next-gen-on-zeta-ii/
Up next is this becoming Chevy's next NASCAR showcase, and opening a production line in the US to allow sale to more police departments. This is how it should have gone to begin with instead of making a half-arsed attempt to import the pontiac-only G8 back in 2008.
Interestingly enough, in Australia the Commodore has a factory approved trailer hitch option including factory bumper fascia cutouts, that can tow somewhere around 3000 lbs. It's a robust platform. GM only rated it for a teeny tiny trailer hitch in the us but apparently the Aussie factory hitch is decent. The factory hitch cutouts were even molded into the G8 rear fascia but I don't think there are any hitches that can use it. Maybe one of the holden hitches would use that cutout but it would be very expensive to import and would probably instantly void the powertrain warranty.
nascar pretty much means nothing...unless they're planning to put the "stock" back in stock car.
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nascar pretty much means nothing...unless they're planning to put the "stock" back in stock car.
It means they're serious about this becoming a long-term production run beyond a few thousand cop cars. It means there will be a performance sedan alternative to BMW, Acura/Lexus, dodge gangsterwannabespecial (er I mean charger), and Taurus SHO, all of which cost more than the chebby SS will cost.
On the dreamer side of things, it means that maybe chebby SS parts (like suspension, wheels, etc) may be alternatives to hard to get spares for my G8.
It means one day a non-descript 4-door chebby SS sleeper grocery getter may eat your lunch at the dragstrip for a lot less money than a similiarly prepped mustang :devil
It also probably means we'll be seeing a return to the days of domination of mustangs and caprices for cop cars. With either of those, who needs any of the more exotic or expensive choices?
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nascar pretty much means nothing...unless they're planning to put the "stock" back in stock car.
While they are all built on a standard chassis, the nextgen cars are going to be a lot closer to the stock body than they have been in recent years. They tried it with the Nationwide series and it worked so now it will integrate into Cup. The "look" of the cars will more closely resemble the floor model. Everything under the sheet metal will remain the same.
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While they are all built on a standard chassis, the nextgen cars are going to be a lot closer to the stock body than they have been in recent years. They tried it with the Nationwide series and it worked so now it will integrate into Cup. The "look" of the cars will more closely resemble the floor model. Everything under the sheet metal will remain the same.
that's part of what i'm talkin about....but can i go to ford and buy a v8 powered fusion? or to toyota and get a v8 powered camry?
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NASCAR is a joke, it has become the professional wrestling of the motorsports world, it's almost down there with the mindless monster truck B.S.
They need to quit trying to put on a "show", and go back to racing. While they're at it, they need to put stock back in stock car racing. Go back to the rules as written and applied in the seventies. Real V8 RWD two door mid size cars, made from a "body in white" as purchased from the OEM. Sure, put them on a 2"x3" racing frame with truck trailing arms. But the car the body came from needs to meet the wheelbase, track width, and other required dimensions as produced. If it were me, I'd make them run a production engine, too, but I suppose the current engine rules are not anywhere near as horrific as the body "rules".
And if an OEM doesn't want to build a car that fits the rules, too damned bad, they can stay home and keep their junk off the track. Those tapered like a turd 4 door shapeless jelly bean cars need to be banished from stock car racing. If you need to screen print the make of the car on the front of it so the fans know what it is, you're doing it wrong. Any manufacturer that wanted to could build a V8 rear wheel drive mid sized two door sedan that would get 30MPG, if they wanted to. If they built them, and raced them, they'd probably sell a lot of them.
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Our city police use Chargers mainly...Troopers and Sheriffs still use the CV's.
We got the new ford twin-turbo Taurus where I live...I wonder how quick they are...
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Same thing with drag racers, too? If you really want pure stock v pure stock and not some Pro wrestling match...
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NASCAR is a joke, it has become the professional wrestling of the motorsports world, it's almost down there with the mindless monster truck B.S.
They need to quit trying to put on a "show", and go back to racing. While they're at it, they need to put stock back in stock car racing. Go back to the rules as written and applied in the seventies. Real V8 RWD two door mid size cars, made from a "body in white" as purchased from the OEM. Sure, put them on a 2"x3" racing frame with truck trailing arms. But the car the body came from needs to meet the wheelbase, track width, and other required dimensions as produced. If it were me, I'd make them run a production engine, too, but I suppose the current engine rules are not anywhere near as horrific as the body "rules".
And if an OEM doesn't want to build a car that fits the rules, too damned bad, they can stay home and keep their junk off the track. Those tapered like a turd 4 door shapeless jelly bean cars need to be banished from stock car racing. If you need to screen print the make of the car on the front of it so the fans know what it is, you're doing it wrong. Any manufacturer that wanted to could build a V8 rear wheel drive mid sized two door sedan that would get 30MPG, if they wanted to. If they built them, and raced them, they'd probably sell a lot of them.
this is/was my point. although i'd go back into the 50's rules......well before they started perverting the rule books due to any particular manufacturers whines....
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We got the new ford twin-turbo Taurus where I live...I wonder how quick they are...
dunno 'bout top speeds, but supposedly low 13's high 12's as delivered........
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Same thing with drag racers, too? If you really want pure stock v pure stock and not some Pro wrestling match...
leave funny car and top fuel alone....and otherwise, yes....but the stock back in pro stock, street stock, etc.
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French highway cops have punny Subaru Impreza's and are switching to prepared Renault Megan RS's.
But its a different environment :old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SARr2SGjN1E
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French highway cops have punny Subaru Impreza's and are switching to prepared Renault Megan RS's.
But its a different environment :old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SARr2SGjN1E
i think they'd be better off sticking with the subarus.
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this is/was my point. although i'd go back into the 50's rules......well before they started perverting the rule books due to any particular manufacturers whines....
Mid-late 60's was the pinnacle of stock car racing. You can still find "stock" racing in the US with smaller series like SCCA. The V-8 Supercar series in Australia is about as close as you'll come to the NASCAR of old.
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i think they'd be better off sticking with the subarus.
The Subarus must be burned out if they change them, and if they buy cars they'll buy french cars unless forced to.
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Since Nascar already has "spec bodies" why not go with some big retro bodies with the aerodynamics of a brick and get rid of the restrictor plates because said bricks are self-limiting?
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Same thing with drag racers, too? If you really want pure stock v pure stock and not some Pro wrestling match...
Drag racing has NHRA Stock Eliminator. Our cars a far closer to stock than NASCAR's stuff was 40 years ago. The body is entirely stock, we can't do anything but paint it, and roll the rear fender lip, right down to the cowl induction hood. We're allowed a 0.075" over bore, and must run a production crankshaft, +/- 0.015" on stroke, a stock length and bore connecting rod, a piston that is dimensionally the same as original (can be forged), stock carburetor (or replacement) stock lift and follower type on the cam, stock size valves, no porting, stock intake (or factory replacement). If it is a stick car, you can run an aftermarket transmission, if it is an automatic car, it must run a 3 speed automatic from the OEM. It must run a rear end from the OEM.
Even our traditional (not modified or GT classes) Super Stock cars are closer to stock than NASCAR has been in decades. The only thing we can do to the body is stretch the rear fender opening. We are allowed roller valvetrain, as well as porting and polishing.
Class racers in drag racing know what stock is, and we're a lot closer than NASCAR has been since the fifties. Our cars look exactly like real production cars. Because they are. Even the bogus "factory" cars are built on production bodies and chassis.
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nothing common in the 60's ran 10's, 11's, or even 12's. stock means stock. if stock eliminator was all stock, you'd be seeing a bunch of guys running high 12's and low 13's. if they were lucky.
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Drag racing has NHRA Stock Eliminator. Our cars a far closer to stock than NASCAR's stuff was 40 years ago. The body is entirely stock, we can't do anything but paint it, and roll the rear fender lip, right down to the cowl induction hood. We're allowed a 0.075" over bore, and must run a production crankshaft, +/- 0.015" on stroke, a stock length and bore connecting rod, a piston that is dimensionally the same as original (can be forged), stock carburetor (or replacement) stock lift and follower type on the cam, stock size valves, no porting, stock intake (or factory replacement). If it is a stick car, you can run an aftermarket transmission, if it is an automatic car, it must run a 3 speed automatic from the OEM. It must run a rear end from the OEM.
Even our traditional (not modified or GT classes) Super Stock cars are closer to stock than NASCAR has been in decades. The only thing we can do to the body is stretch the rear fender opening. We are allowed roller valvetrain, as well as porting and polishing.
Class racers in drag racing know what stock is, and we're a lot closer than NASCAR has been since the fifties. Our cars look exactly like real production cars. Because they are. Even the bogus "factory" cars are built on production bodies and chassis.
Ah got it. You like drag racing so it's not included.
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Ah got it. You like drag racing so it's not included.
No, you don't get it. Not that anyone is surprised. All of our race cars look exactly like the cars sold on the showroom floor. Because they are the cars sold on the showroom floor.
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/VirgilHilts/Bridges.jpg)
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/VirgilHilts/GS212A.jpg)
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/VirgilHilts/Orlandowheelie.jpg)
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/VirgilHilts/MarvintheMartian.jpg)
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/VirgilHilts/Bertozzi.jpg)
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/VirgilHilts/Alan1.jpg)
Funny, they all look like a real 69 Camaro. Well, except for the 66 Corvette.
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nothing common in the 60's ran 10's, 11's, or even 12's. stock means stock. if stock eliminator was all stock, you'd be seeing a bunch of guys running high 12's and low 13's. if they were lucky.
Before they opened the rules up to allow any valvespring with stock dimensions, and any cam with the stock lift, we were about 1 second slower than we are now. So the orange Camaro running 10.0 in A would run 11.0, the white Camaro running 11.4 would run 12.4, etc. It was the valvespring and cam rules, as well as the replacement lifters that made them fast.
IHRA actually has a Pure Stock class. It has mostly newer cars in it, and is not real popular.
The truth is, the L-72, L-88, and ZL-1 427 powered cars would run 11's with headers, slicks, and tuning. The cars could be ordered with 4.88 gears, stripped down.
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Before they opened the rules up to allow any valvespring with stock dimensions, and any cam with the stock lift, we were about 1 second slower than we are now. So the orange Camaro running 10.0 in A would run 11.0, the white Camaro running 11.4 would run 12.4, etc. It was the valvespring and cam rules, as well as the replacement lifters that made them fast.
IHRA actually has a Pure Stock class. It has mostly newer cars in it, and is not real popular.
The truth is, the L-72, L-88, and ZL-1 427 powered cars would run 11's with headers, slicks, and tuning. The cars could be ordered with 4.88 gears, stripped down.
that's my point. they're not stock. thus this should be called modified stock, not stock.
i should add, that i'm perfectly fine with safety modifications. but nothing else.
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No, you don't get it. Not that anyone is surprised. All of our race cars look exactly like the cars sold on the showroom floor. Because they are the cars sold on the showroom floor.
Yep, exactly like the showroom...
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/131299986/John_Force_Mustang_funny_car_by_haafasst.jpg)
(http://cdn.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/6092/vintage-funny-cars-pit-lane.jpg)
(http://www.thesharpeimage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/TopFuel_A-2009_5130.jpg)
Which showroom is that by the way?
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i think i found out why some police depts may be going back to the mustang.......
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8039/7940792902_8579a42c78.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/7940792902/)
FindsCoffeeMakesDonuts (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/7940792902/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
it comes equipped with its own donut maker!! :neener: :noid :neener:
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Yep, exactly like the showroom...
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/131299986/John_Force_Mustang_funny_car_by_haafasst.jpg)
(http://cdn.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/6092/vintage-funny-cars-pit-lane.jpg)
(http://www.thesharpeimage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/TopFuel_A-2009_5130.jpg)
Which showroom is that by the way?
Perhaps in your haste, you missed this......I doubt it though, since you went right for the Funny Cars. :rofl
Drag racing has NHRA Stock Eliminator. Our cars a far closer to stock than NASCAR's stuff was 40 years ago. The body is entirely stock, we can't do anything but paint it, and roll the rear fender lip, right down to the cowl induction hood. We're allowed a 0.075" over bore, and must run a production crankshaft, +/- 0.015" on stroke, a stock length and bore connecting rod, a piston that is dimensionally the same as original (can be forged), stock carburetor (or replacement) stock lift and follower type on the cam, stock size valves, no porting, stock intake (or factory replacement). If it is a stick car, you can run an aftermarket transmission, if it is an automatic car, it must run a 3 speed automatic from the OEM. It must run a rear end from the OEM.
Even our traditional (not modified or GT classes) Super Stock cars are closer to stock than NASCAR has been in decades. The only thing we can do to the body is stretch the rear fender opening. We are allowed roller valvetrain, as well as porting and polishing.
Class racers in drag racing know what stock is, and we're a lot closer than NASCAR has been since the fifties. Our cars look exactly like real production cars. Because they are. Even the bogus "factory" cars are built on production bodies and chassis.
These are "NHRA Stock Eliminator" rides: Hilts, please correct if I am wrong.
Stock Eliminator -- Mark Biskup, Ford Mustang, 12.370, 104.99 def. Nick Folk, Chevy Camaro, foul. - CARQUEST Route 66 Nationals. (This could a website error, as the same pic is for Super Stock as well)
(http://www.competitionplus.com/09_17_2003/photos/nhra_chicago_2_nationals_stk.jpg)
Mac Tools U.S. Nationals at Carlisle
(http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com/f/mopar-news/big-daddy-don-garlits-challenger-drag-pak-chryslers-at-carlisle/29487027/for-stock-eliminator-racers-at-indy-the-only-time-youll-see-this-vie.jpg)
Stock Eliminator -- Toby Lang, Chevy Chevelle, 11.700, 111.53 def. Micci Walter, Chevy Camaro, 11.230, 115.25. - NHRA CSK Finals Phoenix, AZ
(http://www.competitionplus.com/02_18_2004/photos/phoenix_stock_final.jpg)
NASCRAP is just that.....crap. Drag Racing is more fun to watch than NASCRAP. Although, I prefer F1 and WRC, drag racing is just as exciting to watch.
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Perhaps in your haste, you missed this......I doubt it though, since you went right for the Funny Cars. :rofl
These are "NHRA Stock Eliminator" rides: Hilts, please correct if I am wrong.
(http://www.competitionplus.com/09_17_2003/photos/nhra_chicago_2_nationals_stk.jpg)
(http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com/f/mopar-news/big-daddy-don-garlits-challenger-drag-pak-chryslers-at-carlisle/29487027/for-stock-eliminator-racers-at-indy-the-only-time-youll-see-this-vie.jpg)
(http://www.competitionplus.com/02_18_2004/photos/phoenix_stock_final.jpg)
NASCRAP is just that.....crap. Drag Racing is more fun to watch than NASCRAP. Although, I prefer F1 and WRC, drag racing is just as exciting to watch.
but the cars in the first and third pics are not stock. the challenger looks like chryslers answer to the cobrajet and copo
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but the cars in the first and third pics are not stock. the challenger looks like chryslers answer to the cobrajet and copo
They competed in NHRA Stock Eliminator events though...:confused:
Edited with proper captions bro.
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They competed in NHRA Stock Eliminator events though...:confused:
Edited with proper captions bro.
yea, i gathered that.....and i think cvh thinks i'm being belligerent...and maybe i am, i dunno. but stock eliminator means just that. stock. if you've changed anything inside the engine or on the engine, tranny, rear.....it's not stock.
take a mustang or camaro, or challenger(i had to try hard to not laugh typing that last one), slap a cage in it, slicks, and go racing. better yet, keep em on street tires. that'd add a LOT of driver skill into the equation, wouldn't it? :devil
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yea, i gathered that.....and i think cvh thinks i'm being belligerent...and maybe i am, i dunno. but stock eliminator means just that. stock. if you've changed anything inside the engine or on the engine, tranny, rear.....it's not stock.
take a mustang or camaro, or challenger(i had to try hard to not laugh typing that last one), slap a cage in it, slicks, and go racing. better yet, keep em on street tires. that'd add a LOT of driver skill into the equation, wouldn't it? :devil
I doubt it. But I can see what Hilts is saying. You are buying a vehicle regardless of your three examples and keeping the body a helluva lot more "stock" than the BS NASCRAP cars. Of course you are going to have to do some modifying to the "Stock" vehicle, but I guarantee you it is less than NASCRAP.
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I doubt it. But I can see what Hilts is saying. You are buying a vehicle regardless of your three examples and keeping the body a helluva lot more "stock" than the BS NASCRAP cars. Of course you are going to have to do some modifying to the "Stock" vehicle, but I guarantee you it is less than NASCRAP.
yea, that it is. nascar was struggling years ago. then they started having these "fights" and "incidents" between drivers. not the ones like earnhardt/wallace used to have....but ones that are kind of like wrastling.......staged. that seems to have helped them a bit......but not to the real racers i know.
i see yours and cvh's points though.
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Just pointing out that the top classes in almost every series is modified, not just NASCAR. If you want true stock v stock you can find it at some level. SCCA has some good racing.
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You want stock racing, local track every Friday and saturday
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Chevrolet, Mopar, and Toyota are racing Nascar with engine families that never appeared in a production car.
I didn't check on ford.
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yea, i gathered that.....and i think cvh thinks i'm being belligerent...and maybe i am, i dunno. but stock eliminator means just that. stock. if you've changed anything inside the engine or on the engine, tranny, rear.....it's not stock.
take a mustang or camaro, or challenger(i had to try hard to not laugh typing that last one), slap a cage in it, slicks, and go racing. better yet, keep em on street tires. that'd add a LOT of driver skill into the equation, wouldn't it? :devil
There is a difference between Stock Eliminator (which has always allowed blueprinting, headers, traction bars, and slicks) and IHRA Pure Stock.
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Chevrolet, Mopar, and Toyota are racing Nascar with engine families that never appeared in a production car.
I didn't check on ford.
The current Chevrolet is the R07, it replaced the SB 2.2, which replaced the last production based small block, the 18 degree version (production heads have a 23 degree valve angle, not 18 degrees). The SB 2 and SB 2.2 were both based on the original production small block, the heads will bolt on a production small block. The R07 is all new, although it shares some dimensions. They used the 18 degree version of the original 23 degree production engine in the nineties, they used 23 degree engines before that, same as production.
Toyota has never had an over head valve cam in block production V8 in the 350cid range.
Mopar has pulled out, but their engine was distant kin to the old 340/360 W2 engines. At least the last one I saw 3-4 years or so ago was.
Ford was using a "blend" of the Cleveland and Windsor engines that was not a production engine ever, as far back as the very early eighties. They were using a Cleveland head, on a Windsor block (with Cleveland main bores) that was supposed to be "Australian".
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yea, that it is. nascar was struggling years ago. then they started having these "fights" and "incidents" between drivers. not the ones like earnhardt/wallace used to have....but ones that are kind of like wrastling.......staged. that seems to have helped them a bit......but not to the real racers i know.
i see yours and cvh's points though.
NASCAR plays "games" with the rules to make what they claim is "racing" into what they call "entertainment". There is far too much meddling going on, Brian France and Mike Helton are morons who are trying to run NASCAR the way the McMahons run the WWE.
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NASCAR plays "games" with the rules to make what they claim is "racing" into what they call "entertainment". There is far too much meddling going on, Brian France and Mike Helton are morons who are trying to run NASCAR the way the McMahons run the WWE.
yea, i know. it sucks for real race fans....but they're obviously making money at it.
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How does a two door work logistically as a police cruiser?
Has the new taurus based cruiser begun production or are they still in the design phase?
You mean when they arrest someone? Same as a bicycle.
You want to talk about bang for the buck? Why don't we see cops on fast bikes? When I had my ZX7R the idea of being chased by the police was nearly laughable.
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<snip>Ford was using a "blend" of the Cleveland and Windsor engines that was not a production engine ever, as far back as the very early eighties. They were using a Cleveland head, on a Windsor block (with Cleveland main bores) that was supposed to be "Australian".
The "Austrailian" engine used a slightly different version of the Cleveland head, which flowed much better than the stock Ford Cleveland head. Still a very much sought after head.
Ford has been selling the Windsor blocks, short blocks, long blocks, and complete engines, with Cleveland mains for many years. It has always been an aftermarket part. They recently updated the block with a high nodular iron content design, tagged "Boss 302 or Boss 351" available in three different deck heights. They also have aluminum versions of the same block. Dart and World both have Ford Windsor blocks available with the Cleveland mains as well.
Just an FYI.
EDIT: The Aussies did use the Cleveland mained Windsor block in production. To my knowledge that is the only place those engines were ever used in a production car.
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This would make a nice police cruiser.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/FPV_FG_F6_%282%29.jpg/800px-FPV_FG_F6_%282%29.jpg)