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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: bongboy1 on September 04, 2012, 03:52:25 AM
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Since we're having all these changes in the game when it comes to resupplying. I thought it be a good time to bring up the idea of being able to resupply cv fleets, and what better plane can you think of for a role like that besides the PBY Catalina! :banana: It'd be tons of fun! Also add some more options to aircraft we can fly out of ports. Or even a pt boat with supplies from a pt spawn n drive out to cv. So, what do you guys think?
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I suggested this a couple of times in the past and the idea was shot down for a variety of reasons. One reason was it's not historically accurate as PBYs weren't used to resupply CVs.
I'd still love to see PBYs in the game to add to torpedo carrying plane set.
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I suggested this a couple of times in the past and the idea was shot down for a variety of reasons. One reason was it's not historically accurate as PBYs weren't used to resupply CVs.
I'd still love to see PBYs in the game to add to torpedo carrying plane set.
This. Black Cats would be an awesome addition. Troops, resupply, bombs... what's not to like?
LST's would be nice , too. Hit the beach with a couple Shermans & an M3.
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Short Sunderland
Bit faster, with far better defensive fire. bomb load was a little lower. very hard to kill birds by all accounts.
(http://mlkshk.com/r/A3A5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di-tShoowGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-bSWydtoy0&feature=related
Kawanishi H8K
Super quick compaired to the Cat, and packing 5 x 20mm Type 99 cannons backed up by another 5 x 7.7mm Type 97 machine guns. Bomb load is lower at 2000.
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/japan/aircraft/flying-boat/kawanishi-h8k-emily-flying-boat/kawanishi-h8k2-emily-flying-boat-05.png)
Both these would have a ok chance to work in the MA... the increased defensive fire power/speed would help them see use.
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Somehow, despite always having a thing for Catalinas and even building a 1/48 scale model of one, I never realized that Cats can carry a 4000lb bomb load (four 1000lbers). That's actually pretty impressive!
I think it'd be fun if these boats could have a small active radar around them that would point out enemy dots and fleets... almost like an Aces High AWACS. (like that Cat finding the Bismark) Then there'd be an effort to protect them/shoot them down. Go Go Gameplay! :) ...they could be a new 'patrol' class to go with fighter, attack, and bomber.
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Airborne search radar was well in use during the war..
US and Brits, could detect periscopes, that's pretty good..
Even the Japanese had it.. Not that they needed it..
By that time, the US Navy was within sight of their coastline..
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Somehow, despite always having a thing for Catalinas and even building a 1/48 scale model of one, I never realized that Cats can carry a 4000lb bomb load (four 1000lbers). That's actually pretty impressive!
I think it'd be fun if these boats could have a small active radar around them that would point out enemy dots and fleets... almost like an Aces High AWACS. (like that Cat finding the Bismark) Then there'd be an effort to protect them/shoot them down. Go Go Gameplay! :) ...they could be a new 'patrol' class to go with fighter, attack, and bomber.
Normal Load was two Mk 13 Torpedoes for short range, and single torpedo for longer ranges.
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Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War II, Handbook of Erection and Maintenance Instructions for Navy Model PBY-5 and PBY-5A Airplanes.
General characteristics
Crew: 8 — pilot, co-pilot, bow turret gunner, flight mechanic, radioman, navigator and two waist gunners
Length: 63 ft 10 7/16 in (19.46 m)
Wingspan: 104 ft 0 in (31.70 m)
Height: 21 ft 1 in (6.15 m)
Wing area: 1,400 ft² (130 m²)
Empty weight: 20,910 lb (9,485 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 35,420 lb (16,066 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-92 Twin Wasp radial engines, 1,200 hp (895 kW each) each
Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0309
Drag area: 43.26 ft² (4.02 m²)
Aspect ratio: 7.73
Performance
Maximum speed: 196 mph (314 km/h)
Cruise speed: 125 mph (201 km/h)
Range: 2,520 mi (4,030 km)
Service ceiling: 15,800 ft (4,000 m)
Rate of climb: 1,000 ft/min (5.1 m/s)
Wing loading: 25.3 lb/ft² (123.6 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.034 hp/lb (0.056 kW/kg)
Lift-to-drag ratio: 11.9
Armament
3× .30 cal (7.62 mm) machine guns (two in nose turret, one in ventral hatch at tail)
2× .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns (one in each waist blister)
4,000 lb (1,814 kg) of bombs or depth charges; torpedo racks were also available
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/PBY-6A_BuAer_3_side_view.jpg/300px-PBY-6A_BuAer_3_side_view.jpg)
Specifications (PB2Y-5)
Data from Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War II
General characteristics
Crew: 10
Length: 79 ft 3 in (24.2 m)
Wingspan: 115 ft 0 in (35 m)
Height: 27 ft 6 in (8.4 m)
Wing area: 1,780 ft² (165 m²)
Empty weight: 40,850 lb (18,530 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 66,000 lb (30,000 kg)
Powerplant: 4 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-92 radial engines, 1,200 hp (900 kW) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 194 mph (168 knots, 310 km/h)
Cruise speed: 170 mph (148 knots, 272 km/h)
Range: 1,070 mi (930 NM, 1,720 km) at 131 mph (210 km/h)
Service ceiling: 20,500 ft (6,250 m)
Armament
Guns:
6× .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns in twin nose, dorsal, and tail powered turrets
2× .50 in M2 Browning machine guns in manual waist mounts
Bombs:
2× Mark 13 torpedoes or
Up to 12,000 lb (5,400 kg) of bombs, housed in the wings
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/PB2Y-5_Coronado_3-view.png/300px-PB2Y-5_Coronado_3-view.png)
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H8K2's bomb load is properly eight 250kg bombs for a total of 2000kg (4400lbs) or two torpedoes.
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I think it'd be fun if these boats could have a small active radar around them that would point out enemy dots and fleets... almost like an Aces High AWACS.
While it might be "fun" it would also be unrealistic, the PBY never acted like an "AWACS" nor did it have the capacity to do so.
ack-ack
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While it might be "fun" it would also be unrealistic, the PBY never acted like an "AWACS" nor did it have the capacity to do so.
ack-ack
Sure, but neither are 10 troops to take an airbase, hotpads, or otherwise... I'm only talking about it from a gameplay perspective. I think the 'AWACS' part of it would abstract the traditional role of a plane like the Catalina: patrol and discover enemy movements... kind of like how the C-47 resupplies airfields and strats to lower the down-timer.
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just what determines how long a cv remains damaged?
i killed one the other day that 2cmex was manning the guns on. i made maybe 5 sorties, 4 of those in b26s and 1 in a 110g, and hit it in all the sorties except the 110g one..... then came back for a 6th consecutive sortie in b26s again and the cv was full up and not on fire for the first time since i hit it in sortie #1. this whole story took place in a 30 minute window.
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"During World War II, PBYs were used in anti-submarine warfare, patrol bombing, convoy escorts, search and rescue missions (especially air-sea rescue), and cargo transport." From wikipedia.. Patrol bombing, convoy escorts, and cargo transport! :O. So can we plz have a vote for PBY next time plzzzz
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"During World War II, PBYs were used in anti-submarine warfare, patrol bombing, convoy escorts, search and rescue missions (especially air-sea rescue), and cargo transport." From wikipedia.. Patrol bombing, convoy escorts, and cargo transport! :O. So can we plz have a vote for PBY next time plzzzz
It is inferior to the Sunderland and vastly inferior to the H8K2 'Emily'. Should flying boats be added, let the first one added be the one that will see significant, ongoing usage in the MAs, the H8K2 'Emily'.
Heck, it would be another perk bomber in the Early War Arena.
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Well if we're gonna perk things... :devil
(http://www.dutchops.com/AC_Data/Hughes/Information/H4/H4_Flight.jpg)
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So pretty much everybody wants a flying boat at least :cheers: Just waiting on the thumbs up from Hitech :bhead
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As much as I like wooden airplanes, the Spruce Goose would most certainly not be perk worthy. :p
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As far as combat use Cats were really intended for ASW. I know there was one occasion in the Guadalcanal campaign where a Cat was used to torpedo a surface warship in daylight, but that was a rare if not unique occurrence - it's way too big and slow to be survivable against warship ack in daylight. It was used to attack transports, mostly at night, but its main use overall was for scouting due to its extremely long legs, but that's not much of an advantage in the MA. Still, I would like to see it in the game since it played such an important role in the war.
I think the best use of the PBY in this game would be to allow it to spawn at ports - that would give it a realistic capability that's currently lacking in the game.
I can't see much use for Black Cats since we don't have a real night in the game.
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I think the best use of the PBY in this game would be to allow it to spawn at ports - that would give it a realistic capability that's currently lacking in the game.
what exactly is the pby gonna do that the other useless unarmed plane at the port cant do? make it easier to be vulched?
semp
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PBY actually had x3 30 cals n x2 50 cals for self defense and could carry up to 4000lb in BOMBS :banana:, depth charges, and even torpedos! Not exactly a storch :). It'd make a great port defense plane. Anyways I'm gunna keep my fingers crossed on this one :pray
~bongboy :rock
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PBY actually had x3 30 cals n x2 50 cals for self defense and could carry up to 4000lb in BOMBS :banana:, depth charges, and even torpedos! Not exactly a storch :). It'd make a great port defense plane. Anyways I'm gunna keep my fingers crossed on this one :pray
~bongboy :rock
It would make a terrible plane in any sort of defensive roll and would be at the mercy of any attacking fighter.
ack-ack
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what exactly is the pby gonna do that the other useless unarmed plane at the port cant do?
Kill unescorted LVTs and/or troops, for one.