Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: tuton25 on September 05, 2012, 11:30:36 PM
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for roof top level bombing
delay between 5-10 seconds
always go off after drop
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Well, they would have gone off if you'd dropped them high enough to arm.
WHY would you want to fly stupid-low to the ground anyway? It doesn't provide any advantage to you.
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Wants to bomb pursuing fighters?
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somebody once gave a class on how to bomb from like 200 feet above ground without getting killed. perhaps it should be done again.
semp
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Wants to bomb pursuing fighters?
I remember doing that in AW3 :angel:
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Well, they would have gone off if you'd dropped them high enough to arm.
WHY would you want to fly stupid-low to the ground anyway? It doesn't provide any advantage to you.
skip bombing...ability to delay the fuse would allow you to come in low and put a bomb inside a hangar with a tank camping inside or get some schmuck to follow you down low then use the bomb to get him off your tail, all without fragging your own plane.
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I am a die hard mossie pilot and thats how they did their bombing in ww2
less than 100 feet usualy at roof top level
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It's a huge dweeb tactic in Warbirds to use dfuse bombs to kill a pursuer.
Mills Lane would not allow it.
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Make it so they don't kill planes in the air, but ones on the ground are still fair game.....
I can see myself at 25-50 feet over the strats in a b25c with these things :airplane:
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Well, they would have gone off if you'd dropped them high enough to arm.
WHY would you want to fly stupid-low to the ground anyway? It doesn't provide any advantage to you.
Actually there are many good advantages, especialy if you know where your stationary ground target/enemy is.
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It was actually used in WWII.
Would be a nice tool in the tool box.
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We don't have planes sitting on the runway, these para frags would not destroy tanks unless possibly a perfect hit on top (doubtful even). Far as town goes just how much can one little bomb do? an Ack gun?
I can see delay fused bombs used on 109s and 190s - 250kg bombs which were dropped above formations, this is only thing I can think of that might actually work.
If in the future - we had runways with aircrafts lined up along side of it, it would make perfect sense... Aces high I can only see it damaging a small row of buildings in town..
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We don't have planes sitting on the runway, these para frags would not destroy tanks unless possibly a perfect hit on top (doubtful even). Far as town goes just how much can one little bomb do? an Ack gun?
I can see delay fused bombs used on 109s and 190s - 250kg bombs which were dropped above formations, this is only thing I can think of that might actually work.
If in the future - we had runways with aircrafts lined up along side of it, it would make perfect sense... Aces high I can only see it damaging a small row of buildings in town..
Strat complexes provide a large enough target to make these work.
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How about this:
You can use delayed fuze bombs only on bombers that did low-level tree-top runs.
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How about this:
You can use delayed fuze bombs only on bombers that did low-level tree-top runs.
As someone already stated: These would be PERFECT and actually would be historically accurate in term of low level Mossi attacks. :aok
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As someone already stated: These would be PERFECT and actually would be historically accurate in term of low level Mossi attacks. :aok
Yes, but the issue is we would have a bunch of ball-less tards running around dropping bombs to kill a pursuer, or going out hunting aircraft with these bombs unless they were rather heavily controlled.
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Yes, but the issue is we would have a bunch of ball-less tards running around dropping bombs to kill a pursuer, or going out hunting aircraft with these bombs unless they were rather heavily controlled.
don't fool yerself, there are a lot of ball-less tards doing other things much more annoying... the "pursuit frag" tactic can be avoided several ways so it won't be that big of a deal. it will end up being like the ho whines, people getting their panties wadded up for something really trivial.
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We don't have planes sitting on the runway, these para frags would not destroy tanks unless possibly a perfect hit on top (doubtful even). Far as town goes just how much can one little bomb do? an Ack gun?
I can see delay fused bombs used on 109s and 190s - 250kg bombs which were dropped above formations, this is only thing I can think of that might actually work.
If in the future - we had runways with aircrafts lined up along side of it, it would make perfect sense... Aces high I can only see it damaging a small row of buildings in town..
nobody is talking about para frags...just the existing bombs with delayble fuses so they don't go off in impact.
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nobody is talking about para frags...just the existing bombs with delayble fuses so they don't go off in impact.
I'm kind of at a loss, Wern't HE bombs exploding on contact bombs?
I know there were different ordnance, but I was assuming he was talking about Para Frags - which makes sense for delayable fuse bombs - but how is that going to work in Aces high? And can it be done?
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i wouldn't sweat it Butcher, aside from being useful for clearing campers out of hangars, it would end up just being a gamey feature people would abuse.
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...it would end up just being a gamey feature people would abuse.
To me it's not gamey. P-47 pilots used delay fuse bombs in WWII so they could drop from tree top level on tanks, etc and not blow themselves up.
Also, "frag pursuit killing" would be sort of hard to do I would think. The timing and circumstances would have to be pretty spot on for it to work.
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To me it's not gamey. P-47 pilots used delay fuse bombs in WWII so they could drop from tree top level on tanks, etc and not blow themselves up.
Also, "frag pursuit killing" would be sort of hard to do I would think. The timing and circumstances would have to be pretty spot on for it to work.
ever been killed by a tree while chasing somebody? we dont need no bombs just packets of seeds and water we can throw out the window. easiest kills ever.
semp
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To me it's not gamey. P-47 pilots used delay fuse bombs in WWII so they could drop from tree top level on tanks, etc and not blow themselves up.
Also, "frag pursuit killing" would be sort of hard to do I would think. The timing and circumstances would have to be pretty spot on for it to work.
you wouldn't mind providing chapter and verse hard evidence on those delayed fuses used by the p-47 squadrons would you?
the good ole "frag pursuit kill" is fairly easy to accomplish actually, just learning the timings is all it takes.
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I'm not visualizing people getting in to a low level dogfight and then dropping a delay fused bomb to get a kill. I'm just not able to get that one figured out. :headscratch: If it did happen, it wouldn't be any different than the gamey 163's dogfighting 3 sectors away from their home field; tanks shooting down aircraft with their main gun; or heavy bombers floating over gv spawns at 1000 ft waiting for the chance to carpet bomb a single tank. If the addition of the bomb would be historically accurate than I say add it.
I believe the argument to add them in outweighs the possible gamey "drop for a kill". :aok
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Any former warbirds pilot knows the dfuse frag bombing a pursuer is a huge issue.
I'd rather not have it show up here.
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you wouldn't mind providing chapter and verse hard evidence on those delayed fuses used by the p-47 squadrons would you?
the good ole "frag pursuit kill" is fairly easy to accomplish actually, just learning the timings is all it takes.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Hell-Hawks/Robert-F-Dorr/e/9780760329184 (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Hell-Hawks/Robert-F-Dorr/e/9780760329184)
The authors make several references to it's usage throughout the book. I'd have to check, but I'm almost positive several of the first hand accounts published within reference it too. Mostly when the fuse didn't act as intended. :eek:
Pretty cool read too. :aok
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Yes, but the issue is we would have a bunch of ball-less tards running around dropping bombs to kill a pursuer too blind to see it hanging like a half-ton of bricks in broad daylight, or too dumb to not on-point or lag-persuit at too great of a distance to distinguish a half-ton of bricks hanging off the plane or not, or going out hunting aircraft with these bombs unless they were rather heavily controlled because nobody gets rocket or bomb vulched on runways currently in AH.
Not saying there isn't any foreseeable issue, but yours (and apparently many other's) is not one of them (at least, in a unilateral sense... it takes two to HO after all).
Seriously, listen to you guys, you're all too incapable and untalented to see a large bomb dangling off a plane like... well... like you guys couldn't tell the difference between a cow and bull if we removed all their horns?... or what if you were persuing him on the deck and saw him drop it?... aparently you're all really easy kills too because none of you can react to avoid a delay blast radius (ontop of it's actual airborne drop time) fast enough to a visual que directly in your tunelled-down vision off your nose? Lets meet in the DA tonight, I'll even buy an extra 6-pack tonight to dumb down my reaction time to yours.
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Here is more proof that it was used extensivly. If you fast forward to about 12:40 you will see that they were not more than 100ft off the ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQn2shAH4sE&feature=BFa&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF
I would take formations of Mossie 16's 25-50 AGL and bomb towns with it.
Mossie pilots used to say that this tactic was "like putting bombs in Hitler's front door"
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Here is more proof that it was used extensivly. If you fast forward to about 12:40 you will see that they were not more than 100ft off the ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQn2shAH4sE&feature=BFa&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF
I would take formations of Mossie 16's 25-50 AGL and bomb towns with it.
Mossie pilots used to say that this tactic was "like putting bombs in Hitler's front door"
Hmm...seems like a rather expensive way to die with all the speed demon planes in the game.
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If they would unperk the mossie 16 it'd work a little better :bhead
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Not saying there isn't any foreseeable issue, but yours (and apparently many other's) is not one of them (at least, in a unilateral sense... it takes two to HO after all).
Seriously, listen to you guys, you're all too incapable and untalented to see a large bomb dangling off a plane like... well... like you guys couldn't tell the difference between a cow and bull if we removed all their horns?... or what if you were persuing him on the deck and saw him drop it?... aparently you're all really easy kills too because none of you can react to avoid a delay blast radius (ontop of it's actual airborne drop time) fast enough to a visual que directly in your tunelled-down vision off your nose? Lets meet in the DA tonight, I'll even buy an extra 6-pack tonight to dumb down my reaction time to yours.
I guess you never dealt with this issue in warbirds.
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Make it so they don't kill airplanes
less historicaly acurate but will improve gameplay
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Of course they used delay fuses in the war, and parachutes up to 500lbs.. There are pics and combat films that show it..
Dropping from treetop level was common.. Skeeters and Bostons did what they called "Ramrod" missions into France and low Countries..
Americans in the south pacific, goes without sayin..
The advantage is, with lower angles of fire, you are a harder target for the flack, only appearing over gaps in the trees..
Depends if you have trees, lol.. Also, many heavy AA guns couldn't traverse fast enough to track on you..
Drawback, Actually I think it is much less accurate than a dive bomb attack.. Because the bombs bounce too much, skidding tumbling.. With the delay, you really couldn't say where they would go off.. Like rolling dice.. More like an area attack method than pinpoint..
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Not saying there isn't any foreseeable issue, but yours (and apparently many other's) is not one of them (at least, in a unilateral sense... it takes two to HO after all).
Seriously, listen to you guys, you're all too incapable and untalented to see a large bomb dangling off a plane like... well... like you guys couldn't tell the difference between a cow and bull if we removed all their horns?... or what if you were persuing him on the deck and saw him drop it?... aparently you're all really easy kills too because none of you can react to avoid a delay blast radius (ontop of it's actual airborne drop time) fast enough to a visual que directly in your tunelled-down vision off your nose? Lets meet in the DA tonight, I'll even buy an extra 6-pack tonight to dumb down my reaction time to yours.
happened in warbirds a lot. once i learned the trick it was easy to lure someone down low in a dive and frag em with a bomb.
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This seems to be the only consern with some players
Make it so they don't kill airplanes
less historicaly acurate but will improve gameplay
also could be used to skip bomb
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I don't know whats up but I run low in a mossie and I die every time I go near a town.....
With these I would get lower
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I don't know whats up but I run low in a mossie and I die every time I go near a town.....
With these I would get lower
I bet if you get low enough to avoid being spotted, you also crash.
Stop bumping.
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Here is more proof that it was used extensivly. If you fast forward to about 12:40 you will see that they were not more than 100ft off the ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQn2shAH4sE&feature=BFa&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF
I would take formations of Mossie 16's 25-50 AGL and bomb towns with it.
Mossie pilots used to say that this tactic was "like putting bombs in Hitler's front door"
since you keep ressurecting this...your video doesn't show skip bombing on ground targets, nor does it show aircraft dropping bombs from 100ft off the ground. it shows a series of frames stitched together to make it look like a mossie crew dropped a single 250lbs bomb directly on a locomotive from more than 500ft. try again.
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If HTC would make it so that bombs damage would not be destructive to self and allied players, then there would be no problem. :aok
I wonder if the "coad" would allow for it? ;)
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:salute i like the idea. make it so they dont blow up 70 years later that would be cool.