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Title: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: tuton25 on September 08, 2012, 10:12:04 AM
Mosquito Mk. XV
A high altitude fighter variant which had a higher ceiling, was more manuverable, and had a higher top speed that the FB VI variant
(http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/images/CLIC_2010A_CH_Mosquito.jpg)
Mosquito Mk. B VI
An ultra-low level bomber variant had a top speed of almost 420mph at sea level
(http://dhmosquito.com/images/Mosquito_B-MkXVI_350.jpg)
Mosquito Mk. XVIII
A mosquito armed with a 57mm cannon and better armour
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/RAF_Mosquito_with_Molins_gun_WWII_IWM_CH_14114.jpg)
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: danny76 on September 08, 2012, 10:25:04 AM
Already been requested I think. and isn't the collective for mosquito's a swarm? :old:
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Karnak on September 08, 2012, 10:58:55 AM
Mosquito B.Mk VI was never built.  It would have been a bomber version of the Mosquito FB.Mk VI we have in AH using the same Merlin 25 engines.  The photo you used in a Mosquito B.Mk XVI.

The Mosquito Mk XV was a specialty aircraft built in extremely small numbers.

My choices to finish the Mosquito lineup in AH:

Mosquito F.Mk II: Earlier fighter with no internal bomb bay, no universal wing and powered by the less powerful Merlin 21s or 23s.

Mosquito B.Mk IV: Early war bomber version with capacity for four 500lb bombs and a top speed of 380mph at about 21,000ft powered by Merlin 21s or 23s.

Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII:  As tuton25 noted.  Its got a big gun.  Big guns are fun.

Mosquito NF.30: High blown engines and a top speed of about 425mph at 28,000ft make this a great choice for bomber escort or interception.  It was used during the day as well, despite being a nightfighter.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: tuton25 on September 08, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
Mosquito B.Mk VI was never built.  It would have been a bomber version of the Mosquito FB.Mk VI we have in AH using the same Merlin 25 engines.  The photo you used in a Mosquito B.Mk XVI.

The Mosquito Mk XV was a specialty aircraft built in extremely small numbers.

My choices to finish the Mosquito lineup in AH:

Mosquito F.Mk II: Earlier fighter with no internal bomb bay, no universal wing and powered by the less powerful Merlin 21s or 23s.

Mosquito B.Mk IV: Early war bomber version with capacity for four 500lb bombs and a top speed of 380mph at about 21,000ft powered by Merlin 21s or 23s.

Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII:  As tuton25 noted.  Its got a big gun.  Big guns are fun.

Mosquito NF.30: High blown engines and a top speed of about 425mph at 28,000ft make this a great choice for bomber escort or interception.  It was used during the day as well, despite being a nightfighter.

All early production mossies were under the VI
wasn't there less than 50 TA-152s, the XV was made in similar numbers
the rest, as Karnak said, would be perfect additions
Some history on the mossie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf5IQEqQ8Ec&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF&index=4&feature=plpp_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQn2shAH4sE&feature=bf_next&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXjnOCx_MYA&feature=bf_next&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=145pKib8LvQ&feature=bf_next&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Butcher on September 08, 2012, 12:28:42 PM
Mosquito NF.30: High blown engines and a top speed of about 425mph at 28,000ft make this a great choice for bomber escort or interception.  It was used during the day as well, despite being a nightfighter.

I'd be interested in seeing this, Mossy we have now sucks horrible above 20k, I couldn't even catch a set of B24s otw to bomb the strats. I know a 110g would easily, or 410, but I wanted to try something new, well I couldn't catch em.

Ill have to check my books to see if I have anything on the NF.30.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Karnak on September 08, 2012, 12:32:52 PM
All early production mossies were under the VI
What do you mean by this?  The only Mk VI was the FB.Mk VI which is what we have in AH.  The Mk VI introduced the universal wing, earlier marks not being plumbed for drop tanks and not being able to take as much loading.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Karnak on September 08, 2012, 12:38:48 PM
Mossy we have now sucks horrible above 20k, I couldn't even catch a set of B24s otw to bomb the strats. I know a 110g would easily, or 410, but I wanted to try something new, well I couldn't catch em.
It isn't great up there, but it shouldn't have any trouble catching B-24Js:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=79&p2=57&pw=2&gtype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)

Certainly I've never had trouble catching bombers at 20k.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Butcher on September 08, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
It isn't great up there, but it shouldn't have any trouble catching B-24Js:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=79&p2=57&pw=2&gtype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)

Certainly I've never had trouble catching bombers at 20k.

I wasn't able to get in front, or get the alt - if you look at the climb rate it drops off horribly after 20k, only shot I had was walking up the back door. Plus I was competing with other aircrafts, Spit14s and 109ks which easily get the alt and speed.

Given the Nk.30 I would have a competing chance at intercepting in the LWA, think I am gona take a chance today and try to get a mossy to 25k and hunt buffs.

Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Karnak on September 08, 2012, 12:48:43 PM
Oh, I most certainly agree.  That is my main reason for advocating for the Mk 30.  I want to get up there and still be able to perform.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Butcher on September 08, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Ouch I have only one book of Mosquito markings, I just went and bought 5 books in PDF format so I can study the mossy and its different versions.

Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Butcher on September 08, 2012, 01:31:52 PM
Just checked some Specs -

NF.XXX weight was 21,600lbs loaded Max speed was 407mph, climb rate of 2,850 max ceiling 38,000 ft range of 1,300.

Not to bad of stats at all, just double checked with Osprey, shows the same stats.

Another interesting thing is they used 50, 100 and 200 gallon imperial drop tanks, not sure we need that kind of fuel but why not.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Karnak on September 08, 2012, 01:47:23 PM
Numbers I have seen on speed are a bit higher.  420-425ish.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Butcher on September 08, 2012, 02:18:32 PM
Numbers I have seen on speed are a bit higher.  420-425ish.

3 books all confirm 407mph is its top speed:
Crowood Aviation Series De Havilland Mosquito by Martin W. Bowman
Mosquito in Action Part 2 Aircraft #139 Squadron/Singal publications
Osprey Aircraft of the Aces #69 - Mosquito Aces of WW2 by Andrew Thomas

I did not find any Mossy's that went over 407mph either, most were between 360/407.

Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Karnak on September 08, 2012, 02:26:44 PM
The commonly quoted numbers for the Mk XVI are 408 and 416mph.

Fastest was the prototype with Merlin 61s at about 435mph.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Eric19 on September 08, 2012, 06:35:32 PM
+1 I have been waitting and waitting and waitting for the Mossie .NF XXX  :x
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: bozon on September 09, 2012, 07:47:22 AM
If only we could get NF.XXX WITH the radar :)

But I will accept one even without it. The 370 mph at 20kft of the VI is that that bad, but most common AH planes are already doing 400+ at that alt. On the other hand, VI is superior down in the weeds.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: MiloMorai on September 09, 2012, 09:37:07 AM
Test report on the NF30, http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mosquito/mm748.pdf
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Scherf on September 10, 2012, 12:40:50 AM
Bear in mind the lower speed numbers (407 is "lower"?) for the XXX are for aircraft fitted with the flame dampers. Same debate we had with the VI.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose, mome.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: icepac on September 10, 2012, 08:53:42 AM
Was the speed testing of the NF variant with or without the radar antennae fitted?
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Karnak on September 10, 2012, 09:31:30 AM
Was the speed testing of the NF variant with or without the radar antennae fitted?
It didn't have external antennae on the nose like a German nightfighter, but rather had a "bullnose" that housed the radar gear.  It did have some avionics on the flanks though.

I believe all testing was with all avionics installed.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: icepac on September 10, 2012, 09:55:06 AM
I see no reason that variant should be excluded.

Mills Lane would allow it.
Title: Re: A gaggle of Mosquito's
Post by: Nathan60 on September 10, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
Dood missed an excellent chance to necrobump something.