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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundowner on September 12, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
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The day is drawing near.
Our world will soon change in ways most of us can't foresee.
Godspeed IDF F-15 Double Tail Squadron. :salute
Regards,
Sun
Barak in Pep Talk with F-15 Pilots: Be Sharp
No mention of Iran, but Defense Minister's toast to F-15 pilots leaves little doubt what he meant.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak raised a toast to the Jewish New Year in an IAF F-15 squadron hangar – in what may be a hint of things to come, and a possible message to Iran that it is not safe from attack. While he never mentioned Iran's name, his words left little doubt what he was referring to.
In the course of the ceremony at Tel Nof IAF base, Barak said: "We have experiences huge tectonic shifts in the entire region in the past year. These shifts create challenges that are among the most complex we have ever faced – both from very close range and from very far away – and these challenges create a need to act and to be ready for action.
"You are here, the Air Force in general and the Double Tail squadron that sits here in these hangars in particular, at the spear's tip of the State of Israel's ability to act at any range."
Barak said that the political tier sees as part of its responsibility to ensure that if wars can be delayed they will be, and if they are embarked upon it is only after all other options have been exhausted, "but we do not live in western Europe and not in North America, this is really a harsh environment, it really is 'a villa in a jungle' and there are hostile forces around us as well."
"The state of Israel in general, the Air Force in particular and this squadron, need and must be highly alert at all times, sharp, determined, precise, so that if there is a necessity to act, we will act and succeed."
"We, myself included, as well as the senior commanders and the citizens of Israel, have faith in you, that if there is indeed a need to act, you will take action and win."
(Photos at site)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159870#.UFD-SPXwCxC
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Damn right they better be sharp. Israel doesn't have the luxury of sticking their heads in the sand as people threaten to wipe them out.
Nobody does, yet we in America just don't seem to get it.
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wouldn't Egypt roll over the Israeli border with their shiny new M1A1s if Israel attacked Iran?
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Salute to our Israeli brethren...... :salute
wouldn't Egypt roll over the Israeli border with their shiny new M1A1s if Israel attacked Iran?
Not and live to tell about it
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Now it all makes sence; Sundowner takes politicians for their word. :rofl
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Not and live to tell about it
that's true.
the Israeli people have amazing resolve. would never want to anger a man from Israel :salute
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After the Holocaust.
The Jewish motto has , will be, and always will be.
"Kill Them First"
:rock
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so "he said the world is changing and we must be alert at all times". heck I bet every country in the world says that every year. perhaps we should ask YOU if he has any inside information :noid.
semp
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Shame on Iran if they start some crap... Israel WILL finish it. We need to be more like them. Shoot terrorists instead of trying to talk them to death. THEY do not care about dialog & see it as a weakness. :furious
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While I will back Israel %100, I sincerely hope they can justify going the road alone if they decide to drop on Iran and and violate and long and hostile airspace on their way to get the job done. Let's hope they do not have to, but if they do....
DO NOT GO ALL THAT WAY TO DO A HALF-ASSED JOB!!! Israel, bomb everything strategic you can bomb it hard! God speed!!! :salute
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So this Pro Democracy scene in the Middle East is going to bite on the Bott? :old:
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nice flying with everyone.
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While I will back Israel %100, I sincerely hope they can justify going the road alone if they decide to drop on Iran and and violate and long and hostile airspace on their way to get the job done. Let's hope they do not have to, but if they do....
DO NOT GO ALL THAT WAY TO DO A HALF-ASSED JOB!!! Israel, bomb everything strategic you can bomb it hard! God speed!!! :salute
They've done it before.... :salute
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Best of luck Israel.
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wouldn't Egypt roll over the Israeli border with their shiny new M1A1s if Israel attacked Iran?
i think that the Israelis are the ones that most over there should fear.
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It'll be interesting to see how much Israel keeps up their posturing and stick-poking as the US becomes increasingly unwilling to remain their lap dog.
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It'll be interesting to see how much Israel keeps up their posturing and stick-poking as the US becomes increasingly unwilling to remain their lap dog.
The US also objected to the strikes on the Iraqi and Syrian reactors. Israel decided to go ahead anyway. While in the Syrian case the US gave some sort of approval by turning its back and looking the other way, in the Iraqi case Israel was publicly condemned by the US. It seems like the usual US policy is that as long as it is not killing Americans right now, or god forbids threatens American economic interests, the best course of action is to stick their heads in the sand. The ironic thing is that this policy actually worked in the Iraqi and Syrian cases mentioned above, since while the heads were in the sand, Israel defused the situation.
The Iranian case is significantly more difficult than the above two, otherwise Israel would have already struck and accept the condemnations. Does the US have a spare carrier it can "lend" to Israel for a couple of weeks? Then again "lending" may be too active. The US can just leave the carrier parked in the east Mediterranean near Haifa bay with the keys in the ignition. Then report it was stolen and add "theft" to the post-strike condemnation.
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Forgot about N-Korea. Unfortunately, Korea is way too far from Israel, so in that case the head in the sand strategy did not work. I guess you win some, you lose some.
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The US has seems to have lost some of its back bone in the Obama administration. It will be interesting however to see how Obama's foreign policies will change once he doesn't have to worry about being reelected. Unfortunately this is what our nation has come down to. The vast majority of people in the United states are so uneducated on foreign affairs its frightening. This puts the government in a tough spot. The administration recognizes the need to act with military force. However the American people are so unaware of world affairs that they see the administration as a group of warmongers and instantly make up their mind to vote them out of office. But back to the topic, GO ISRAEL!!
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"God forbid threatens American economic interests" strange term.
American economic interests are paramount in any situation and that goes for any country.
Thats why countries got to war :old:
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The US also objected to the strikes on the Iraqi and Syrian reactors. Israel decided to go ahead anyway. While in the Syrian case the US gave some sort of approval by turning its back and looking the other way, in the Iraqi case Israel was publicly condemned by the US. It seems like the usual US policy is that as long as it is not killing Americans right now, or god forbids threatens American economic interests, the best course of action is to stick their heads in the sand. The ironic thing is that this policy actually worked in the Iraqi and Syrian cases mentioned above, since while the heads were in the sand, Israel defused the situation.
The Iranian case is significantly more difficult than the above two, otherwise Israel would have already struck and accept the condemnations. Does the US have a spare carrier it can "lend" to Israel for a couple of weeks? Then again "lending" may be too active. The US can just leave the carrier parked in the east Mediterranean near Haifa bay with the keys in the ignition. Then report it was stolen and add "theft" to the post-strike condemnation.
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Forgot about N-Korea. Unfortunately, Korea is way too far from Israel, so in that case the head in the sand strategy did not work. I guess you win some, you lose some.
I don't see how sticking your hands into places where they have no business being is 'sticking your head in the sand'.
The carrier idea may work, though, Israel has been known to take out their disapproval on our navy when we tug on the leash.
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Israel does what its told like every other country does :old:
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Israel does what its told like every other country does :old:
By who?
War crimes, blatant fascism and theocracy, war mongering and posturing, countless assassinations in foreign territory... the United States would've 'freed' Israel a la Iraq or Afghanistan if it were any other country, but instead we pay Israel billions of dollars a year to have a military. The most that ever happens to them is a slap on the wrist from the UN or a 'now now, you shouldn't be doing that' from the US, and they clearly don't care in the slightest. US-Israeli relations remind me of the relationship between Eric and his mother in Southpark.
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Another angry bloke :old:
Tin foil hat time :)
What do you think of Swiss?.... anything?
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Another angry bloke :old:
Tin foil hat time :)
What do you think of Swiss?.... anything?
Nice little country that doesn't cause any trouble. The Swiss military I think is the perfect picture of how a defense force should be structured and designed.
There's no tinfoil hat here, I don't believe in NWO, ZOG or any of that nonsense.
But the way Israel acts is unacceptable.
None of this stuff is kept secret, you don't have to find webpages in the depths of the internet to see it described... it's all out there everyday. People know it happens and for some ungodly reason so many people just find it acceptable.
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I rest my case:old:
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What do you think of Swiss?.... anything?
I got some Chipolte cheddar jack other day it was amazing! Awsome on turkey.
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US-Israeli relations remind me of the relationship between Eric and his mother in Southpark.
:lol :aok
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Why dont we let the generals deal with war stuff and the president deal with non war stuff? I never quite understood that part... :headscratch:
Then again Im a fan of a flat percentage tax...
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I rest my case:old:
Honestly, my opinion on Israel is pretty mainstream and even in the US we have our share of people who are very critical of Israel.
It's becoming clear that around the world this is an increasing trend and Israel is using up much of the pity it was formed with. The US and even the EU in the past couple months have... well, compared to past relations, spit in Israel's face, with the EU's refusal to blacklist Hezbollah and Obama's refusal to meet with Netanyahu recently.
I see this as an extremely positive trend in world affairs.
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:lol
It appears we have someone who is very anti-Israel, isn't very educated as to how and why things are the way they are in that region, and have has plenty of a certain kind of kool-aid to drink.
Oh.... and something was mentioned regarding the Swiss being a "nice little country" that causes no trouble.... perhaps that is true on the outside, but behind closed door the Swiss are very good at playing off 2 sides and profiting from both. On a different note, the Swiss military is a good model, yes, but it has a much different society than most civilizations. The Swiss are superior in many ways to every other nation state in the world, however they lack a navy so they are not invited to play. ;)
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Another angry bloke :old:
Tin foil hat time :)
What do you think of Swiss?.... anything?
the difference between Switzerland and Israel is that Switzerland is surrounded by countries that want to invade with sacks of money.
semp
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I rest my case :old:
The US have been leaning on them for years with thier behind the scenes dealings with dodgy countries.
While your all looking out of your front doors for the peasant view of the world I would be looking at your back door at who is really up to no good. :)
The Swiss are laughing at you, staying neutral and letting everyone else defend Democracy.
This is why we need a class system because people are still peasants.
I blame it on that Charlie Chaplin bloke and his funny walk :old:
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The day is drawing near.
Our world will soon change in ways most of us can't foresee.
Godspeed IDF F-15 Double Tail Squadron. :salute
Regards,
Sun
Barak in Pep Talk with F-15 Pilots: Be Sharp
No mention of Iran, but Defense Minister's toast to F-15 pilots leaves little doubt what he meant.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak raised a toast to the Jewish New Year in an IAF F-15 squadron hangar – in what may be a hint of things to come, and a possible message to Iran that it is not safe from attack. While he never mentioned Iran's name, his words left little doubt what he was referring to.
In the course of the ceremony at Tel Nof IAF base, Barak said: "We have experiences huge tectonic shifts in the entire region in the past year. These shifts create challenges that are among the most complex we have ever faced – both from very close range and from very far away – and these challenges create a need to act and to be ready for action.
"You are here, the Air Force in general and the Double Tail squadron that sits here in these hangars in particular, at the spear's tip of the State of Israel's ability to act at any range."
Barak said that the political tier sees as part of its responsibility to ensure that if wars can be delayed they will be, and if they are embarked upon it is only after all other options have been exhausted, "but we do not live in western Europe and not in North America, this is really a harsh environment, it really is 'a villa in a jungle' and there are hostile forces around us as well."
"The state of Israel in general, the Air Force in particular and this squadron, need and must be highly alert at all times, sharp, determined, precise, so that if there is a necessity to act, we will act and succeed."
"We, myself included, as well as the senior commanders and the citizens of Israel, have faith in you, that if there is indeed a need to act, you will take action and win."
(Photos at site)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159870#.UFD-SPXwCxC
It's retarded attitudes and statements like this that keep that nutjob iranian president in power.
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I thought they elected him?
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I thought they elected him?
The Iranians voted, yes. Who they elected is anybody's guess, but they rioted when Ahmadinajad was announced as the election winner - and silenced in other than democratic ways.
By who?
War crimes, blatant fascism and theocracy, war mongering and posturing, countless assassinations in foreign territory... the United States would've 'freed' Israel a la Iraq or Afghanistan if it were any other country, but instead we pay Israel billions of dollars a year to have a military.
The US is doing everything it used to officially denounce Israel for. Assassinations in foreign territory? I wonder what happened to Bin Laden. Do you even count the number of assassinations from armed US drones? Before the Invasion to Iraq, American officers came to Israel to study urban warfare methods that Israel used very successfully in 2002 in an operation ironically called "Defensive wall". For every war crime you blame Israel, the US did more. Most of these are simply the reality of warefare and to think you can fight a war otherways and win is naive.
Nice little country that doesn't cause any trouble. The Swiss military I think is the perfect picture of how a defense force should be structured and designed.
The Swiss army is a parade army. Do you really think that what kept Switzerland peaceful for 300 years is their fearsome army?
<joke> They still use Halberds to defend the Pope fer cod sake! </joke>
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They voted for that bloke in Afganistan is he alright?
Syria they voted for him as well.
Saudi Arabia they voted there as well?
This Pro Democracy thing is it any good on the Middle East?
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The Swiss army is a parade army. Do you really think that what kept Switzerland peaceful for 300 years is their fearsome army?
For their possition on the map, their army is sufficient. Untill recently (say, since modern aircraft and the paratrooper came along), any invasion would cost more than the land gained would be worth.
Wouldn't take much to seal off those mountian passes
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They control the Banks :old:
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They control the Banks :old:
Israel controls the "west bank", but that is not much help. Oddly, not a lot of money in it either.
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Oddly enough I have no money :rofl
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Zack, there is a saying.
If you give a man a gun, he can rob a bank. If you give a man a bank, he can rob the world.
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"Nothing like debt to get a man up in the morning" is another one :old:
"If voting changed anything they would ban it" is a good one :old:
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Chorus:
The beat goes on, the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da
Charleston was once the rage, uh huh
History has turned the page, uh huh
The mini skirts the current thing, uh huh
Teenybopper is our newborn king, uh huh
Chorus
The grocery store's the super mart, uh huh
Little girls still break their hearts, uh huh
And men still keep on marching off to war
Electrically they keep a baseball score
Chorus
Grandmas sit in chairs and reminisce
Boys keep chasing girls to get a kiss
The cars keep going faster all the time
Bums still cry "hey buddy, have you got a dime"
Sonny and Cher 1967
Regards,
Sun
Massive naval buildup in Persian Gulf as Israel moves closer to war
Western powers and several of their Middle East allies have deployed an enormous naval fleet to the Persian Gulf just days after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu again suggested that his country may soon launch a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear facilities.
The fleet includes ships from 25 nations, include three full US carrier groups, each one with a compliment of more aircraft than the entire Iranian air force. Military officials cited by London's Daily Telegraph said the buildup is part of a new annual exercise, but their was no secrecy about the fact that the "enemy" in the exercise is Iran.
There is great fear among Western powers that if Israel strikes Iran's defiant nuclear program, the Islamic Republic will retaliate by trying to close the Straits of Hormuz, a narrow waterway in the Persian Gulf that that sees the daily transit of 18 million barrels of oil, or roughly 35 percent of the world's traded oil. For that oil tap to be shut off would have potentially catastrophic consequences for the economies of the US, Britain, the Euro Zone and Japan, among others......
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23393/Default.aspx
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Does Iran have any Allies :old:
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A limited strike targetting nuke facilities would have my full backing, since we have the hardware locally anyway. a rogue state with WMDs (and we are 100% sure about them this time ...), I'd start by razing Negev (not worth much tactically but it sends a message), then work out to all the storage and secondary production/maintenance sites. just the nukes, leave the rest. :aok
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What about Saudi Arabia?
Are they a Democracy are they better than Iran?
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What about Saudi Arabia?
Are they a Democracy are they better than Iran?
The difference is that Saudi Arabia does not spew open threats against other countries. The royal family there have too good lives and too little risk of a revolution to risk large scale wars. The US will rush to Saudi Arabia's help even faster than it will aid Israel in case of war.
I have no idea what Iran has against Israel, beyond the typical resentment shown by 2/3 of the UN members. Israel has no territorial issues with Iran. They are separated thousands kilometers apart with at least two other countries between them. The Palestinian issue has little to do with Iran - the Palestinians are Suni Arabs, the Iranians are Shiites and not only they are not arabs, they usually despise them. Historically, the two counties had good relations till the Islamic revolution - I am not talking only about dealing with the Shah, people had good business relations between them and many Israelis still remember Iran very fondly.
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Those countries that keep quiet are usually the ones up to something. :old:
That Bin Bag bloke was a Saudi?
Its not a Democracy so are they going to have a revolution like the rest of them?
If not why not?
The plot thickens :rofl
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I have no idea what Iran has against Israel, beyond the typical resentment shown by 2/3 of the UN members. Israel has no territorial issues with Iran. They are separated thousands kilometers apart with at least two other countries between them. The Palestinian issue has little to do with Iran - the Palestinians are Suni Arabs, the Iranians are Shiites and not only they are not arabs, they usually despise them. Historically, the two counties had good relations till the Islamic revolution - I am not talking only about dealing with the Shah, people had good business relations between them and many Israelis still remember Iran very fondly.
The truth is they have little or nothing against Israel. But like many despotic countries who oppress their own people they need an external enemy to keep the populace distracted from what their own government is doing to them. It's very common around the world. By evoking their patriotism the governments keeps their people facing out rather than in. Any enemy will do, Israel, America the west in general. Chavez in Venezuela has the USA as the big threat. North Korea too. It kind of fell apart for a lot of the Arab countries of late when it wasnt enough distraction anymore.
On the other hand we now this stupid movie. That's got them going again. But there are forces at work who were just waiting to be insulted so they could mobilise the ignorant and stupid multitudes.
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In China they are burning Japanese flags is this a example of their government distracting the masses due to the problems they are having with corruption in Chinese leadership? :old:
We have football and the X factor in the UK to distract the masses :)
If you burn flags and jump about in the UK its seen as bad manners, last year we had to riots and people got send down for 3 years for inciting it, little girls were crying on the TV because they got caught. :rofl
I was going to riot but I had work in the morning :old:
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In China they are burning Japanese flags is this a example of their government distracting the masses due to the problems they are having with corruption in Chinese leadership? :old:
We have football and the X factor in the UK to distract the masses :)
If you burn flags and jump about in the UK its seen as bad manners, last year we had to riots and people got send down for 3 years for inciting it, little girls were crying on the TV because they got caught. :rofl
I was going to riot but I had work in the morning :old:
always playing Buzz Killington arent you zack. Your missing out on the latest craze, its called "Knowing it all"
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Pie and savoury products are my scene to be honest :old:
Gibberish is not my strong point, I leave that to others they are so much better :old:
I have just look up who Buzz Killington is :)
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In China they are burning Japanese flags is this a example of their government distracting the masses due to the problems they are having with corruption in Chinese leadership? :old:
We have football and the X factor in the UK to distract the masses :)
If you burn flags and jump about in the UK its seen as bad manners, last year we had to riots and people got send down for 3 years for inciting it, little girls were crying on the TV because they got caught. :rofl
I was going to riot but I had work in the morning :old:
No Zack the Chinese government organise the 'protests' for the benefit of the Japanese media. Doubt if the rest of China gives a damm. To busy making a living.
As for Britain, well you are the perennial villains. The Iranians and Argies were busy stirring it against Britain lately. It wasn't hard to see what they were up to. If X factor and football stop working to distract the British masses. No doubt Cameron could stir something up with the French! :cool:
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Yes the economy is going down the toilet and they are trying to bring in a new law that requires you to take a private health insurance with the banks :rofl
The Banks need money and they are looking to take it via the new Government legilation :rofl
I think they will get arsey about the Falklands again, people will wave flags and get angry, they have already started saying the Argies are complaining again :rofl
I love the X Factor :old: