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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: zack1234 on September 14, 2012, 06:21:05 AM
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What is it for? :old:
I put it on my pc.
What are the benefits?
I get the impression you can put it on a usb drive.
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What is it for? :old:
I put it on my pc.
What are the benefits?
I get the impression you can put it on a usb drive.
I thought it was one of the ZIPRA/ZANLA crowd in Zimbabwe in the 80's :confused:
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Shameful behaviour Danny :old:
All you think about is your own self gratification :old:
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trying to figure out if Zack is joking or...
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:)
I downloaded Linux to see what it was all about. :)
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What is it for? :old:
I put it on my pc.
What are the benefits?
I get the impression you can put it on a usb drive.
You have the right impression. You can install it to a dvd or a USB thumb drive and boot from there without making any changes to your harddrive.
I recommend using Xubuntu - it's lighter and looks more familiar to windows users in general. I actually have made my own modified install of it which looks and feels almost exactly like Windows XP (only that it looks a lot better) :)
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I will give it a go on my usb external drive :)
What are the benefits of Linux?
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I will give it a go on my usb external drive :)
What are the benefits of Linux?
Aside from the fact it is a real operating system as opposed to an over-glorified application with more bloat than Rosie O'Donnell on an eating binge?
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I will give it a go on my usb external drive :)
What are the benefits of Linux?
It's safe and free to use. You can install a lot of free software from the software center. If you install wine to it you can even run windows programs on it.
And you can spend endless hours tweaking and modifying it to your liking. Like make windows wobbly and burn to flames when you close them etc ;) Example here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsF1bvtj97Q
Here's a site that will give you directions to start tweaking: http://www.techdrivein.com/2012/06/25-things-i-did-after-installing-ubuntu.html
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If I could figure out how to port Aces High onto linux i'd ditch windows 7 in a heart beat, I heard recently Steam made a linux port - which is a nice boost to gamers...
There are some classic games out there ported to Linux, Doom and Quake 2 for example. One of the draw backs to Linux is it couldn't run window games - I think with the boost in speed computers have now a days, there are ways to port window games - meaning you can play them on linux.
I haven't used Linux in some time, my netbook still has it installed as my laptop (once I got this desktop) I wiped clean Vista from my laptop and put Ubuntu - works great in the office for everything I need it to do.
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Aside from the fact it is a real operating system as opposed to an over-glorified application with more bloat than Rosie O'Donnell on an eating binge?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I put it on a DVD and went through the setup and then it asked about partitioning my drive. :cry
I have got my old plop XP laptop and going to try it on that :)
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I put it on a DVD and went through the setup and then it asked about partitioning my drive. :cry
I have got my old plop XP laptop and going to try it on that :)
If you get a live-cd you don't need to install - just choose to try it. But nothing you do will be saved.
The partitioning is really simple if you want to do it. You just resize the existing partition and create a new 15-20Gb partition for the linux, that's all you'll need for now. Just make sure you format the *new* partition to ext4 and mount it to root (/) - rest will be done pretty much automatically. Linux will detect your windows and make it a dualboot. Don't expect such courtesy from windows install though if you need to reinstall windows later for some reason.
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If I could figure out how to port Aces High onto linux i'd ditch windows 7 in a heart beat, I heard recently Steam made a linux port - which is a nice boost to gamers...
There are some classic games out there ported to Linux, Doom and Quake 2 for example. One of the draw backs to Linux is it couldn't run window games - I think with the boost in speed computers have now a days, there are ways to port window games - meaning you can play them on linux.
I haven't used Linux in some time, my netbook still has it installed as my laptop (once I got this desktop) I wiped clean Vista from my laptop and put Ubuntu - works great in the office for everything I need it to do.
Even Aces High can be installed to linux with Wine. Performance will be a lot worse than natively on windows though - and at least with AMD graphics there are some visual problems too. I think my next card will be an nvidia just to try it out on linux, their binary driver is supposed to be much better than the AMD one.
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Ubuntu... Linux distro that is your best friend if you take the time and learn about it, the microsoft crusher it is. Along with usb booting google both GRUB4dos & GRUB you will want to learn those at the command line. Try looking up pendrivelinux.com or something like that i do not rember and am posting from my phone so no copy pase links sry :cry
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Aside from the fact it is a real operating system as opposed to an over-glorified application with more bloat than Rosie O'Donnell on an eating binge?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
:rock
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This should explain it clearly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos
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Ubuntu... Linux distro that is your best friend if you take the time and learn about it, the microsoft crusher it is. Along with usb booting google both GRUB4dos & GRUB you will want to learn those at the command line. Try looking up pendrivelinux.com or something like that i do not rember and am posting from my phone so no copy pase links sry :cry
Come give it to us later. :D
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Last time I tried UBUNTU it loaded very easily. This time It doesn't recognize the monitor. I can't find the option to search for drivers etc....? :headscratch:
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I tried to use FreeNAS and NAS4Free and Ubuntu as file servers and each of them took weeks to set up correctly. Windows Home Server... install... works.
Thats why people use MS.
Im not using WHS now because I was able to boot (Im not going to look but its either FreeNAS or NAS4Free) off of a 4GB USB fob. Its just like Windows though in that it has to be rebooted occasionally or things get really slow.
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Last time I tried UBUNTU it loaded very easily. This time It doesn't recognize the monitor. I can't find the option to search for drivers etc....? :headscratch:
Did you download the LTS version or beta? The betas are only for people who know what they're doing. Ubuntu will automatically detect your hardware and offer proprietary drivers if some can be found, just wait and sit at the desktop for a few seconds.
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I tried to use FreeNAS and NAS4Free and Ubuntu as file servers and each of them took weeks to set up correctly. Windows Home Server... install... works.
Thats why people use MS.
Im not using WHS now because I was able to boot (Im not going to look but its either FreeNAS or NAS4Free) off of a 4GB USB fob. Its just like Windows though in that it has to be rebooted occasionally or things get really slow.
WHS may kind of work but then again it will be vulnerable to all the millions of attacks too :) What exactly were you trying to do with Ubuntu to take actually weeks to set up correctly?
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Did you download the LTS version or beta? The betas are only for people who know what they're doing. Ubuntu will automatically detect your hardware and offer proprietary drivers if some can be found, just wait and sit at the desktop for a few seconds.
LTS- one forum suggested removing GTX550 card & rebooting then hotswapping....I don't think I'll do that. :noid
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LTS- one forum suggested removing GTX550 card & rebooting then hotswapping....I don't think I'll do that. :noid
Did you try this:
When the installation starts, click F6, then ESC. In the text that appears on the screen, change quiet to noquiet, splash to nosplash, and addnomodeset right after nosplash.
The install should then open. When installing check "install updates during install" and "install third party software"
For Alternate install: After base packages are installed (before grub install), open a prompt (ALT+F2) and "chroot /target", then "apt-get install nvidia-current", "CTRL+D" to exit chroot, "ALT+F1" to resume install. Complete the installation and you should be good to go.
You may also have hit a driver problem in which case:
The Nvidia 295.40 grahics driver has a bug and will not work with 12.04 precise. Nvidia are aware of the problem and are working on a fix. You can get around it however by installing the 295.33 driver which will work until Nvidia fixes the current driver. Do the following:
Go to you normal terminal and type in the following:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install nvidia-current=295.33-0ubuntu1~precise~xup1
On reboot it will be working. The update manager will then want to install the current version untick it to stop it from doing so and make sure your updates are only displayed and not installed automatically through settings.
Then if you haven't already done so install Synaptic Package manager and find the 295.33 driver on it you installed. Then go to settings and lock this version. It will get a little lock next to it and turn red. Now the driver cannot be updated until you unlock it. I will be keeping it locked until I am absolutely sure the 295.40 driver has been fixed.
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On it now. I did the windows installer from Wubi. Now it works fine. I'm sure i'll have to figure a bunch out, but I like it so far. :old:
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On it now. I did the windows installer from Wubi. Now it works fine. I'm sure i'll have to figure a bunch out, but I like it so far. :old:
I recommend using Xubuntu if you like XP like interface. I personally hate Unity which is in regular Ubuntu.
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I tried to use FreeNAS and NAS4Free and Ubuntu as file servers and each of them took weeks to set up correctly. Windows Home Server... install... works.
Thats why people use MS.
Im not using WHS now because I was able to boot (Im not going to look but its either FreeNAS or NAS4Free) off of a 4GB USB fob. Its just like Windows though in that it has to be rebooted occasionally or things get really slow.
If you want to use a Linux distro for a file server, try Slackware. It does not boot to a GUI, but it is simple to configure for file server function on a Windows network (in most cases it is a simple matter of making shell scripts executable). I use it for my file server, router, firewall, and media server.
I currently have 8 TB of storage and have not had to reboot the box in years.
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I tried to use FreeNAS and NAS4Free and Ubuntu as file servers and each of them took weeks to set up correctly. Windows Home Server... install... works.
Thats why people use MS.
people use MS Servers because they havent got a clue what they are doing. or because they are forced to use a server application that was designed by someone else who hasnt got a clue.
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I currently have 8 TB of storage and have not had to reboot the box in years.
I set up a Linux/Samba PDC box 4 and a half years ago, took 3 days to set up and test. the ONLY maintenance I have done on it since then was a shutdown for a coupla hours while I replaced a dying UPS in the rack. I then powered it up again and walked away ... :aok
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people use MS Servers because they havent got a clue what they are doing. or because they are forced to use a server application that was designed by someone else who hasnt got a clue.
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I set up a Linux/Samba PDC box 4 and a half years ago, took 3 days to set up and test. the ONLY maintenance I have done on it since then was a shutdown for a coupla hours while I replaced a dying UPS in the rack. I then powered it up again and walked away ... :aok
Same here. All my storage is hot swap, so when I replace a drive, I just copy it off, unmount it, install a new one, create the filesystem, copy the files back and keep on trucking.
I never keep any data on my Windows drives. It is all on the Linux server. I even point "Documents and Settings" at it.
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had to remove it...kept losing my internet connection. No realtek audio or ethernet driver/recognition...? :old:
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had to remove it...kept losing my internet connection. No realtek audio or ethernet driver/recognition...? :old:
How long ago was that? Driver support comes late to linux typically so current version might work fine. People with new hardware may not have a good linux experience. For example Radeon 7xxx series cards were not supported for several months and still are lacking.
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How long ago was that? Driver support comes late to linux typically so current version might work fine. People with new hardware may not have a good linux experience. For example Radeon 7xxx series cards were not supported for several months and still are lacking.
yesterday.... :headscratch:
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Did you try this:
When the installation starts, click F6, then ESC. In the text that appears on the screen, change quiet to noquiet, splash to nosplash, and addnomodeset right after nosplash.
The install should then open. When installing check "install updates during install" and "install third party software"
For Alternate install: After base packages are installed (before grub install), open a prompt (ALT+F2) and "chroot /target", then "apt-get install nvidia-current", "CTRL+D" to exit chroot, "ALT+F1" to resume install. Complete the installation and you should be good to go.
You may also have hit a driver problem in which case:
The Nvidia 295.40 grahics driver has a bug and will not work with 12.04 precise. Nvidia are aware of the problem and are working on a fix. You can get around it however by installing the 295.33 driver which will work until Nvidia fixes the current driver. Do the following:
Go to you normal terminal and type in the following:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install nvidia-current=295.33-0ubuntu1~precise~xup1
On reboot it will be working. The update manager will then want to install the current version untick it to stop it from doing so and make sure your updates are only displayed and not installed automatically through settings.
Then if you haven't already done so install Synaptic Package manager and find the 295.33 driver on it you installed. Then go to settings and lock this version. It will get a little lock next to it and turn red. Now the driver cannot be updated until you unlock it. I will be keeping it locked until I am absolutely sure the 295.40 driver has been fixed.
And this is why Linux in general has such a poor market share of OS installations by the average computer user. How in the hell would anyone (especially someone new to Linux) be able to figure that out without being told by someone else?
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And this is why Linux in general has such a poor market share of OS installations by the average computer user. How in the hell would anyone (especially someone new to Linux) be able to figure that out without being told by someone else?
Blame Nvidia for releasing a buggy driver. How in the hell would anyone know that their windows driver is causing them failures any better? Or especially what to do about it.
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yesterday.... :headscratch:
Intel IHC8/Realtek ALC268 Sound Card
Update: Some people seem to indicate that it works with Alsa 1.0.14 or some version above, though I have not tested this. Presently, Ubuntu includes Alsa 1.0.13.
The sound card is also too new for Ubuntu (or Alsa, as it is) to have a driver. Luckily, our friends at realtek provide a driver package from their download page, which will help us out. First, install prerequisites
sudo apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev
Next, unpack the package to some directory:
tar xvjf realtek-linux-audiopack-4.06c.tar.bz2
Before we go any further, we need to stop and unload the existing (non-working) sound drivers. Don't forget to exit any programs that might be using the sound card.
sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
Finally, run the install-script from the directory created during extraction:
sudo ./install
Sit back as the package compiles, prepares and installs the ALSA-drivers. When done, it'll tell you that it's going to play a test sound. You probably won't be able to hear this (at least, I couldn't), but that's OK, we'll fix this soon enough. Edit the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base:
sudo vi /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
Make sure you include this line at the bottom:
options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba
Now, restart Alsa:
sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
sudo /etc/init.d/alsasound stop
sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start
sudo /etc/init.d/alsasound start
and see if you can't play a sound file nice and neatly.
Troubleshooting
Sometimes, it's not enough to restart the ALSA system. If you experience problems with that, go with a full reboot, and you should be flying.
If you still have no sound, the first thing to check is your mixer settings. Alsa mutes the channels per default, so you need to unmute them. The easiest way is to use an interactive program like alsamixer. Try also to play a little with the volume settings. On this card, there are three main volume-meters: Headphones, PCM and Front. PCM is the Master volume. Headphones controls the volume in the headphones-plug, if anything is plugged in, and the built-in speakers if not. Front controls the built-in speakers, regardless of what's plugged into the headphone plug, so you might want to leave Front muted.
If you're still having problems, there are a few things to try out. First of all, modify the line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base like this
options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba index=0
and restart Alsa like before. If you're still not having any success, try creating a seperate file in /etc/modprobe.d called snd-hda-intel.modprobe containing the same lines as we used above:
options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba index=0
Update (Feb 27 2008):
If you're having trouble getting the sound card working when following the above instructions, try the hints I got from Proge, who had trouble with the newest Realtek drivers, but instead had success with Alsa 1.0.16. Thanks to Proge for the feedback!
Update (Mar 15 2008):
Sindre Myren reports:
- With Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron Alpha 5 or later, analog sound works 100% out of the box! (It also mutes when headset is connected)
This is so when 'linux-image-2.6.24-10-generic' (or later) is used.
Digital sound output, not tested.
This obviously holds regardless of Ubuntu flavor, as they all share the same kernel.
http://atlas.hasselbalch.com/znote6625wd/
Obviously you need to go to the realtek site and download the current driver pack. If you have a realtek ethernet device, driver can also be found there.
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Just to add to any confusion, I've just built a machine with Linux Mint - which is basically ubuntu with a few enhancements.
Very very nice.
Wurz
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I give up on ubuntu. it wont start not even from a usb stick.
semp
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I give up on ubuntu. it wont start not even from a usb stick.
semp
That's quite weird. You must have incompatible hardware.
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http://atlas.hasselbalch.com/znote6625wd/
Obviously you need to go to the realtek site and download the current driver pack. If you have a realtek ethernet device, driver can also be found there.
several problems, all of which I'm sure, are due at least in part because I built this machine. I was unable to take it off the DVD/USB because Linux also failed to locate my DVD drive or usb jump drive to take the driver off of & since i could not do it live because I had not internet connection because of the missing driver....yada-yada-yada :rolleyes: :bhead
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several problems, all of which I'm sure, are due at least in part because I built this machine. I was unable to take it off the DVD/USB because Linux also failed to locate my DVD drive or usb jump drive to take the driver off of & since i could not do it live because I had not internet connection because of the missing driver....yada-yada-yada :rolleyes: :bhead
That sounds really weird. Is all your hardware brand new? I have 3-4 years old components and everything works without touching a thing. One question came to mind: Are you using a 32-bit or 64-bit setup? Ubuntu is most compatible with 32-bit setup. Unlike windows, PAE actually works with linux so you really don't need a 64-bit version unless you plan to do heavy database work.
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64 bit
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64 bit
Yeah that may be one explanation. Ubuntu recommends using the 32-bit version for compatibility - and like I said linux does not require 64-bits to use 4+ gigs of ram (not that you would need that much ever in desktop use anyway using it).
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I have 4x 2gig slots...I think for now I'll leave it alone. I'm happy enough with Win7 and my PC speed right now....probably leave well enough alone....just fidgety, have a hard time not trying to tweak a little every day... :bhead :D
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I have 4x 2gig slots...I think for now I'll leave it alone. I'm happy enough with Win7 and my PC speed right now....probably leave well enough alone....just fidgety, have a hard time not trying to tweak a little every day... :bhead :D
The freedom to browse and do online banking without constant worry about infections is the reason to switch to linux.
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yeah too bad for some of us ubuntu wont work.
semp
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yeah too bad for some of us ubuntu wont work.
Have you tried other Linux distributions? The Debian based Ubuntu is not the only one, their marketing dept. only has done a good job. I've been told that certain hardware works better with Fedora than Debian and vice versa. IIRC HP and IBM had their favourite distros, for which they also had paid support.
Look at this DistroWatch list (http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major) of top ten distros with short reviews with pros and cons of the editions and their suggested alternatives. Look for those with a Live-CD for testing purposes, so you don't have to install or alter anything yet.
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So if not "Ubuntu" try a few other distro's I like....
Pinguy
RIPLinux
Redhat
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Ubuntu Lime 13 cinnamon went in really easy....video & ethernet drivers were auto updated. :old:
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Like MrRipley ,I prefer the light ubuntu version, but on servers I like CentOS , much like Slackware , you have options to go text mode or GUI way.
Started out my Linux career with Slackware 1.2 on diskettes :old:
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I've had good experiences with Fedora, Ubuntu, and PcLinuxOS.
I find PcLinuxOS the easiest for beginners. It just "feels" like Windows in a good way (and if you have an nVidia graphics card, Aces High runs pretty well with it, using the "wine" emulator that is free and easily available from their repository).
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Ok here is a seriously stupid question and excuse me if I ask this. (Actually multi part)
1 what is Ubuntu and how easy is to install and run?
2 is this OS compatible with most components or do I need to run an emulation program on the side too?
3 how does this improve the game or do I take a hit on framerates due to system usage??
I may have more stupid questions to follow.
LawnDart
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lawndart it will be a hassle to play aces high using Ubuntu.. I have been trying for over a year and I cant even install it on my system. I guess there's a conflict somewhere but if you want a challenge when you get bored with upgrading your puter then I guess you could try it.
semp
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As for questions 1 and 2:
1) Ubuntu is a Linux distribution which usually is quite easy to install and run. There are several versions of it for different purposes and machines.
2) Ubuntu has quite a good compatibility with most components. Gaming quality GPU drivers may be the biggest problem.
As semp said, playing AH on any Linux would be a hassle. It can be done with an emulator, but as you can guess, it hits the framerate.
I've got a dual booting system which I created with Wubi (http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer). It installs Ubuntu from within Windows and puts an uninstall link into Control Panel's Programs and Features utility.
Another interesting tool I read about recently is the LinuxLive USB creator (http://www.linuxliveusb.com/), a program that lets you choose from a myriad of Linux distros and runs from within an USB stick, even inside Windows on a virtual machine!
As for question 3) It doesn't improve your gameplay concerning AH, but it might improve your security in other Internet related tasks as well as give you access to many kinds of tools to express yourself.
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This thread has been hitting all around one of my favorite subjects: LINUX gaming and LINUX with Aces High. I do it all the time! I published detailed instructions here:
http://askmisterwizard.com/LINUX/LinuxTheEasyWay2012/LinuxTheEasyWayPage01Full.htm
Those instructions start out VERY basic, but if you continue to the last page of video clips, you will see how I use it with Aces High. The framerates I get with LINUX are about 70% of what I get under Windows. With a modern PC and nVidia graphics card, I find the performance to be entirely acceptable.
One other point: Bizman mentioned using a bootable USB key to carry LINUX around with you. That's also a good option and I have published detailed instructions for it too. Look here:
http://askmisterwizard.com/LINUX/LinuxOnUsbFlashMediaPage01Full.html
I made up a set of bootable USB flash media devices containing LINUX and Aces High, which I carry around with me wherever I go. I use them to determine whether or not I'm interested in buying a used computer. Great compatibility test.
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BBosen, did you find a native linux video driver perchance?. I'm carrying out a test of wine/linux mint for AH at home, frame rates aren't bad (constant 40fps - not really a good test tho, old laptop, old card etc etc). I'm grabbing a ssd in a couple of weeks, so before I even think of going down the windows route (only reason I use windows as for AH), I'll do a full blown test on my main machine (i7 chip @2.80ghz, 12gb Ram, crossfired 5770's, 2TB HD etc).
Wurz
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Yes, gpwurzel. PcLinuxOS automatically detects nVidia graphics hardware when it's present, and automagically loads the optimized, LINUX driver for it. No worries with PcLinuxOS. I can't remember whether Ubuntu does that automatically or not. I know that Fedora does NOT do it automatically. I've never tried LINUX Mint.
(In all cases with LINUX and Aces High, I've had better luck with nVidia graphics cards than with Radeon cards. About 3 years ago I had a Radeon rig running well with Aces High 2, but I remember it took a lot of tweaking and hammering to get it smooth. I've had several disappointing episodes trying it again since then. Never had those problems with nVidia graphics cards and LINUX.)
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I've used Ubuntu for years, ran AH on it years ago threw WINE, my game computer is a win7 , I just got it out of the shop again, for the 3rd time in 4 years, my Ubuntu computer is the one I had before I got this one 4 and a half years ago, it was an XP computer that I ran AH on till I crashed it. For safe secure browsing of all things Internet , there is nothing better than an old computer filled with Linux / Ubuntu , I haven't tried to run AH on one in a long time, but once I can, windows will be gone for good!
My sister brought me an old laptop, I say old, it might have been a year old, it was crashed, and had all of her books on it, my friend who got me hooked up with Linux loaded Ubuntu on it, and within 2 hours had everything off the laptop and onto a disk for her, she still uses that computer to this day, she also hands it to whoever is in the office and needs to "look something up" without fear of them damaging it!
If you have a second computer, or and older " trashed" one, load Ubuntu up on it, you won't regret it!
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Yes, gpwurzel. PcLinuxOS automatically detects nVidia graphics hardware when it's present, and automagically loads the optimized, LINUX driver for it. No worries with PcLinuxOS. I can't remember whether Ubuntu does that automatically or not. I know that Fedora does NOT do it automatically. I've never tried LINUX Mint.
(In all cases with LINUX and Aces High, I've had better luck with nVidia graphics cards than with Radeon cards. About 3 years ago I had a Radeon rig running well with Aces High 2, but I remember it took a lot of tweaking and hammering to get it smooth. I've had several disappointing episodes trying it again since then. Never had those problems with nVidia graphics cards and LINUX.)
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Ubuntu offers proprietary drivers for both AMD and Nvidia cards after the first login to desktop.
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Thanks MrRip, useful info.
Wurz
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Something that might be useful for linux users in the near future, came across a thread about using TIR in linux.
Found it here (page 60 or so of a conversation etc http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=38828&st=610 (http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=38828&st=610) - will keep an eye on it for future updates, but looks v. promising so far.
Wurz
edit - working my way to the end of the conversation to see if there is a precompiled version for testing purposes my end.
2nd edit - using trackir via wine http://code.google.com/p/linuxtrack-wine/ (http://code.google.com/p/linuxtrack-wine/)
Final edit http://code.google.com/p/linux-track/wiki/LinuxtrackSetup (http://code.google.com/p/linux-track/wiki/LinuxtrackSetup) so, now to dual boot my current system with linux mint, and see where I go from there - if you guys dont see me for a while, it's gone horribly wrong lol...
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So i got bored and decided to try Ubuntu again. My god what a pain in the bellybutton it is just to get setup. Can someone explain why Ubuntu is so slow? Everything I am doing on it feels like I'm on a slow single core pc. I really want to tinker with this to figure it out but it is frustrating for a beginner just to find my second HDD and install graphics card drivers. There doesn't seem to be anything better than W7 as far as I can tell right now. I am curious if I am going to be able to run my work programs on Ubuntu. I guess time will tell. In the mean time any advise for a complete noob on speeding this OS up? :bhead
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Well I already crashed Ubuntu. I make it to the log in screen and log in, but then it just shows the background image and nothing else. I guess I'll uninstall it and keep W7. :(
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So i got bored and decided to try Ubuntu again. My god what a pain in the bellybutton it is just to get setup. Can someone explain why Ubuntu is so slow? Everything I am doing on it feels like I'm on a slow single core pc. I really want to tinker with this to figure it out but it is frustrating for a beginner just to find my second HDD and install graphics card drivers. There doesn't seem to be anything better than W7 as far as I can tell right now. I am curious if I am going to be able to run my work programs on Ubuntu. I guess time will tell. In the mean time any advise for a complete noob on speeding this OS up? :bhead
Once you install the graphics drivers Ubuntu should feel just as fast as windows or even faster in some cases. You should google for 'top 10 things to do after installing ubuntu' for pointers.
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Once you install the graphics drivers Ubuntu should feel just as fast as windows or even faster in some cases. You should google for 'top 10 things to do after installing ubuntu' for pointers.
where do I even go to find the graphics drivers?
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where do I even go to find the graphics drivers?
You boot to your desktop and wait a couple of seconds, Ubuntu will offer to install restricted drivers. If that doesn't happen automatically you can start the install from 'system' and 'additional drivers'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaPOMLaHOxA
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Thanks for the help MRripley. After two days of tinkering with ubuntu on multiple machines I have come to the conclusion that ubuntu down right sucks. there is nothing easy and everything has to be installed manually. Then I have to boot into windows anyway to use my programs. I wanted so badly to see what it was all about but I must just not be computer savvy enough to get it. :frown:
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Thanks for the help MRripley. After two days of tinkering with ubuntu on multiple machines I have come to the conclusion that ubuntu down right sucks. there is nothing easy and everything has to be installed manually. Then I have to boot into windows anyway to use my programs. I wanted so badly to see what it was all about but I must just not be computer savvy enough to get it. :frown:
Heh Ubuntu doesn't suck. You just don't have the attention span required to learn it it seems. Ubuntu is extremely easy to use and configure especially if you follow the instructions.
You won't be able to run windows programs on it and it was never intended to do that. It has native software for handling most things outside gaming.
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Heh Ubuntu doesn't suck. You just don't have the attention span required to learn it it seems. Ubuntu is extremely easy to use and configure especially if you follow the instructions.
You won't be able to run windows programs on it and it was never intended to do that. It has native software for handling most things outside gaming.
it's not just gaming, its programs related to work as well. It is not extremely easy to use and configure to a noob. Like I said I spent two days trying to get it to work and setup. I watched you tube video and downloaded the beginners guide but I seriously don't see how it is better. I really wanted to use it but i just gave up. Too much hassle for little to no payoff. I appreciate your help though. :cheers:
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it's not just gaming, its programs related to work as well. It is not extremely easy to use and configure to a noob. Like I said I spent two days trying to get it to work and setup. I watched you tube video and downloaded the beginners guide but I seriously don't see how it is better. I really wanted to use it but i just gave up. Too much hassle for little to no payoff. I appreciate your help though. :cheers:
I'm sorry but Ubuntu has most things built in. Office applications, Web browser, instant messaging? What exactly were you trying to do on it?
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Silver, there's no operating system you could master out of the box. With Ubuntu and other Linux distros you can't even ask your mom/dad/brother/friend/teacher (in most cases, that is). For the last seventeen or so years Windows has been dominating both household and work usage and it hasn't changed much after Win95 - on the outside, that is. When things don't work the Windows way that's hard coded into your spine, you're bound to study a little. And a little more...
I earn my living by helping people with Windows based computers, so I should know the basics. So far I have quite easily managed to find out how to uninstall programs, connect to the net etc. by just examining the menus and adapting my former knowledge, but the first contact with Windows8 was even more problematic than my few Ubuntu adventures. I've also had a couple of Mac experiences which caused some head scratching before I could do some basic tasks.
So, I'm no Linux missionary, but I can see its benefits. One thing is security until it comes more popular than Windows. Another thing is adjustability. There's already Ubuntu versions readily tailored for making music and other audio material, preinstalled with appropriate programs and all for free. I bet that version would be far from the best business version of Linux, though. The 2011 Top 7 Best Linux Distributions for You (http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/481201-the-2011-top-7-best-linux-distributions-for-you) site gives their opinion of the best distribution in these seven categories:
Best Desktop Distribution
Best Laptop Distribution
Best Enterprise Desktop
Best Enterprise Server
Best LiveCD
Best Security-Enhanced Distribution
Best Multimedia Distribution
As the titles show, you don't have to try to tweak one distro to fit all your needs. Someone has already done it for you. Fine tuning is another thing, but that's something you'd have to do with every operating system including Windows.
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As the titles show, you don't have to try to tweak one distro to fit all your needs. Someone has already done it for you. Fine tuning is another thing, but that's something you'd have to do with every operating system including Windows.
For most people the hardest thing with linux is to learn to forget the way windows works and try to understand how linux (or even Mac OSX) works. Once they do that, things usually become simple. If they try to approach linux the windows way i.e. installing drivers and software from internet sources, you're going to be in a world of hurt and fast.
One extremely annoying thing on all computer related stuff is faulty instructions. I can't tell how many hours I've spent banging my head to the wall following some instructions that had a spelling error or were made for some obsolete version of the software - or were just plain wrong.
For example one of the 'Top things to do after installing Ubuntu' articles includes bad instructions on how to install the Cinnamon desktop. It will create a blank desktop where you can't do anything because the window decorator is not working. By choosing Xubuntu instead, you get the old familiar XP like desktop right from the box and life is better.
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I'm sorry but Ubuntu has most things built in. Office applications, Web browser, instant messaging? What exactly were you trying to do on it?
run software for programming PLCs and HMI controllers.
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run software for programming PLCs and HMI controllers.
Did you install wine and try to run them?
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Did you install wine and try to run them?
No, I gave up. Just booting into windows is far easier and more average user friendly. I don't think Ubuntu will ever be a mainstream operating system. The majority of the people just want to turn on their pc and have it work. Not look through online manuals and forums to figure out how to download and install the correct drivers for their equipment. Like I said I would love to use it and tinker with it, but I just cant see the end payoff for all of the time invested just to get it running close to how windows runs out of the box. :frown:
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Just booting into windows is far easier and more average user friendly. -- The majority of the people just want to turn on their pc and have it work.
Oh wow! According to my experience and what I've heard from colleagues, that's exactly what the majority wants to do. Give an average user a pc, Windows installation disk and a bunch of Internet addresses for downloading drivers and programs to see what happens. Many tech guys have told that their maintenance problems ended after they installed Ubuntu to their relatives' computers. Using Ubuntu once it is installed and configured is for some parts even easier than using Windows. The majority doesn't care what the operating system is as long as they can click on an icon saying "Internet" and type their desired target on the Google search line.
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No, I gave up. Just booting into windows is far easier and more average user friendly. I don't think Ubuntu will ever be a mainstream operating system. The majority of the people just want to turn on their pc and have it work. Not look through online manuals and forums to figure out how to download and install the correct drivers for their equipment. Like I said I would love to use it and tinker with it, but I just cant see the end payoff for all of the time invested just to get it running close to how windows runs out of the box. :frown:
Well Ubuntu will install all necessary drivers automatically in 99% of the cases. Which one was missing for you?
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Well Ubuntu will install all necessary drivers automatically in 99% of the cases. Which one was missing for you?
video card
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Linux, typically, lags behind on new hardware, as compared to Microsoft, but, like Microsoft, there is usually a default driver for most of the absolutely needed things.
ATI is very bad about updating drivers for Linux. The two guys at NVidia, who do the drivers on their own, seem to keep those drivers up to date much better.
Odd. NVidia has no official support for Linux, but ATI does. Yet, NVidia does a better job than ATI.
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another issue I had/am wondering about. Is linux (ubuntu in my case) more cpu intensive than windows? I ask because during my time playing with it this weekend on my laptop, my laptop got pretty hot and I could audibly hear the cooling fans come on high. This almost never occurs in windows. And yes my laptop was on a hard flat surface as always, never in my lap.
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Ok I am going to try it one more time. Downloading Kubuntu now. dont know the difference but what the hell. its an easy uninstall if I cant figure it out again.
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Ok I am going to try it one more time. Downloading Kubuntu now. dont know the difference but what the hell. its an easy uninstall if I cant figure it out again.
what do you wish to do with it once you have it?
i only ask because I didn't notice if you said before, It is important to know what you want out of it, what your ability is , and what you have now that already does that same thing as well as , if ubuntu will do it better, the same ,, or worse if at all.
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what do you wish to do with it once you have it?
i only ask because I didn't notice if you said before, It is important to know what you want out of it, what your ability is , and what you have now that already does that same thing as well as , if ubuntu will do it better, the same ,, or worse if at all.
I have no idea, I just want to play around with it and see what it is all about. My ability is very low, probably better than your average person with a pc but not a pc programmer by anymeans. I know just enough to get into trouble without knowing enough to get out of said trouble :lol
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I am pretty sure Linux does not have the power management of Windows, so your laptop is going to run full blast, all the time.
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video card
If you have an nvidia or ATI card Ubuntu will offer you a proprietary driver installation. You're not to download anything from any website. If it doesn't happen automatically you can use the link I sent you to activate the driver manually.
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OK, I have reinstalled it on my desktop. I am trying to install the restricted apps/codecs/etc. but I am stuck on this screen:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8066/8242184999_77d4641b72_o.png) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37180180@N08/8242184999/)
Screenshot from 2012-12-03 19:32:52 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37180180@N08/8242184999/) by 06CTS-V (http://www.flickr.com/people/37180180@N08/), on Flickr
How do I continue? I cant click on ok and there is no where to type ok???
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Hit "Tab" until the o.k. at the bottom of the window is highlighted then hit enter? Or maybe use the arrow keys to highlight the o.k.
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Hit "Tab" until the o.k. at the bottom of the window is highlighted then hit enter? Or maybe use the arrow keys to highlight the o.k.
that worked..thanks :aok
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new problem, Wine wont install. It seems to be a common problem but I have yet to find a solution that actually works. :
john@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install wine
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
wine : Depends: wine1.5 but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
john@ubuntu:~$
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new problem, Wine wont install. It seems to be a common problem but I have yet to find a solution that actually works. :
Did you try to install wine through the Ubuntu software installer GUI? That should be your main place for installs.
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Did you try to install wine through the Ubuntu software installer GUI? That should be your main place for installs.
yes. I've tried both ways and get the same errors. And tried several fixes I've found online but none have worked. That is on my desktop. I m gonna try it on my laptop today.
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yes. I've tried both ways and get the same errors. And tried several fixes I've found online but none have worked. That is on my desktop. I m gonna try it on my laptop today.
Which ATI card do you have? Also note that there are two options, usually the 'post release updates' one doesn't work.
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Which ATI card do you have? Also note that there are two options, usually the 'post release updates' one doesn't work.
6950 2gb... xfx overclocked version if that matters. On my laptop I installed ubuntu and now my wireless internet doesn't connect. It shows the connection but will not connect to the internet. :bhead My laptop also has a dedicated ati card so hopefully that wont be an issue. It also has an onboard video card as well.
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6950 2gb... xfx overclocked version if that matters. On my laptop I installed ubuntu and now my wireless internet doesn't connect. It shows the connection but will not connect to the internet. :bhead My laptop also has a dedicated ati card so hopefully that wont be an issue. It also has an onboard video card as well.
And you're not installing Ubuntu version from 2001? How can you be so unlucky with hardware. I've done plenty of installs on several different machines and never run into that sort of problems with it.
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And you're not installing Ubuntu version from 2001? How can you be so unlucky with hardware. I've done plenty of installs on several different machines and never run into that sort of problems with it.
ubuntu 12.10 from the windows installer. A new problem with my laptop, when I install the proprietary drivers for my ati card and reboot like it asks, my desktop is now blank. No top or side bars, just the background image. I can cntl+alt+t and get the terminal to pop up but everything else has disappeared. I disabled the drivers and rebooted again and same problem. So now I have uninstalled ubuntu yet again and I am starting over with a fresh copy to try once more. I dont know why I am having such bad luck but it is really frustrating. Like I said before I really really want to give ubuntu a chance. I wonder if the windows installer is hurting me somehow?
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ubuntu 12.10 from the windows installer. A new problem with my laptop, when I install the proprietary drivers for my ati card and reboot like it asks, my desktop is now blank. No top or side bars, just the background image. I can cntl+alt+t and get the terminal to pop up but everything else has disappeared. I disabled the drivers and rebooted again and same problem. So now I have uninstalled ubuntu yet again and I am starting over with a fresh copy to try once more. I dont know why I am having such bad luck but it is really frustrating. Like I said before I really really want to give ubuntu a chance. I wonder if the windows installer is hurting me somehow?
If you get the blank desktop most likely your window decorator has crashed. Did you perhaps try to enable compiz effects such as wobbly windows etc? :) This can be solved by typing sudo unity --restart in the terminal. If I were you I'd download and install Xubuntu which is much lighter and better than the Unity based Ubuntu.
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If you get the blank desktop most likely your window decorator has crashed. Did you perhaps try to enable compiz effects such as wobbly windows etc? :) This can be solved by typing sudo unity --restart in the terminal. If I were you I'd download and install Xubuntu which is much lighter and better than the Unity based Ubuntu.
nope, i havent gotten as far as installing compiz. literally as soon as I activated the drivers and reset the desktop was gone. I will search for xubuntu now. thanks
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nope, i havent gotten as far as installing compiz. literally as soon as I activated the drivers and reset the desktop was gone. I will search for xubuntu now. thanks
Oh, and do not get the latest version, get the 12.04 LTS version untill you learn to do basic tinkering with it. Also it's safer to choose the 32-bit version instead of 64-bit. For desktop it's better and linux can handle 64 gigs of ram even using the 32-bit version. It has a functional PAE. I would also burn the .iso to a dvd and install it the regular way instead of messing with wubi installs. They're nothing but trouble really.
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You may want to give Linux Mint 13 Mate edition a try.
If it were me I would disable the ATI card on the laptop and see what happens. Might have better luck.
Edit: I would also follow Ripley's advice.
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Well, looks like I am an ubuntu 12.04 user on my laptop. My install from a bootable dvd went horribly wrong and screwed up my W7 Pro boot and recovery partition and I do not have a recovery disk. I was able to take apart my laptop and put the HDD in my hotswap bay on my desktop. Windows device manager would see the drive but it showed as invalid and I could not access anything on it. I booted my desktop to ubuntu and luckily all of my files and pictures were still on the drive. I copied them to an external drive and now have a clean full install of ubuntu 12.04lts on my laptop. :frown: I am hoping I can call HP and see if they will send me a recovery disk. If not I will buy an OEM copy of W7 Pro and a 500gb SSD to go along with it. I should have just left well enough alone :lol :bhead
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Well, looks like I am an ubuntu 12.04 user on my laptop. My install from a bootable dvd went horribly wrong and screwed up my W7 Pro boot and recovery partition and I do not have a recovery disk. I was able to take apart my laptop and put the HDD in my hotswap bay on my desktop. Windows device manager would see the drive but it showed as invalid and I could not access anything on it. I booted my desktop to ubuntu and luckily all of my files and pictures were still on the drive. I copied them to an external drive and now have a clean full install of ubuntu 12.04lts on my laptop. :frown: I am hoping I can call HP and see if they will send me a recovery disk. If not I will buy an OEM copy of W7 Pro and a 500gb SSD to go along with it. I should have just left well enough alone :lol :bhead
How did you manage to do that? Ubuntu automatically detects that you have windows installed and will offer to repartition and resize your hdd. If you chose to install over the existing partition without preserving windows, that would create the situation you're in now.
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How did you manage to do that? Ubuntu automatically detects that you have windows installed and will offer to repartition and resize your hdd. If you chose to install over the existing partition without preserving windows, that would create the situation you're in now.
for some reason the install did not give me the options to install next to windows like I see it seems everyone else has. It told me I already had multiple operating systems installed. I only had two options, install over windows or try something else. I am thinking its because my HDD already had 4 partitions just from the factory installed crap. I went back into windows and shrank my c drive down to free up empty space for ubuntu. I went back into the installer and selected the free space for the install as well as for swap. All goes well until in the middle of install I get an ubuntu error message about one of the partitions and it tells me to reboot before going further. I reboot and poof, windows gets a BSD during the welcome screen. My recovery partition is now no longer accessible in the repair screen. I'm just happy I could get my files off. I finally got wine installed and it will install my plc programming software for work but it wont run it. So I guess I need windows after all.
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for some reason the install did not give me the options to install next to windows like I see it seems everyone else has. It told me I already had multiple operating systems installed. I only had two options, install over windows or try something else. I am thinking its because my HDD already had 4 partitions just from the factory installed crap. I went back into windows and shrank my c drive down to free up empty space for ubuntu. I went back into the installer and selected the free space for the install as well as for swap. All goes well until in the middle of install I get an ubuntu error message about one of the partitions and it tells me to reboot before going further. I reboot and poof, windows gets a BSD during the welcome screen. My recovery partition is now no longer accessible in the repair screen. I'm just happy I could get my files off. I finally got wine installed and it will install my plc programming software for work but it wont run it. So I guess I need windows after all.
You should obviously have chosen 'install them side by side detecting the windows installation' then it takes you to the partitioning tool where you can choose a partition or repartition and format your drive, then set the required partition as root and setup continues from there. Of course if you choose 'erase and use entire disk' it's going to kill your windows installation. Or if you chose to format the ntfs partition instead of splitting it and resizing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Jxfj6tu_U <-- setup as video instructions.
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You should obviously have chosen 'install them side by side detecting the windows installation' then it takes you to the partitioning tool where you can choose a partition or repartition and format your drive, then set the required partition as root and setup continues from there. Of course if you choose 'erase and use entire disk' it's going to kill your windows installation. Or if you chose to format the ntfs partition instead of splitting it and resizing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Jxfj6tu_U <-- setup as video instructions.
again. The install side by side was not an option or that would have been what I chose. I obviously would not choose to erase the entire disk. I chose the free space I made on drive. It was NOT ntfs space.
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again. The install side by side was not an option or that would have been what I chose. I obviously would not choose to erase the entire disk. I chose the free space I made on drive. It was NOT ntfs space.
If you installed to the free space your windows partition is still there and all you need to do is set up a boot manager which lets you choose windows or ubuntu during the boot. It seems you skipped this part in the installation. Try using boot-repair as instructed here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/139121/grub-rescue-after-install-of-ubuntu-12-04-dual-boot
If boot repair alone won't fix your problem additional info can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringWindows#Resizing%20Windows%20Vista%20/%207%20Partitions
It's completely useless to use windows for any disk related actions, it will just report any linux partitions as 'invalid' and 'unknown' as it is limited to windows filesystems only. The error message you saw during installation may have been due to having not enough space on the install partition.
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Just a side note, if you're running Ubuntu, you should adjust privacy settings
http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
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Just a side note, if you're running Ubuntu, you should adjust privacy settings
http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
What a horrible article. In reality you just need to uninstall 2 packages if you're worried about tracking. And the search works in the Unity - doesn't apply to Xubuntu I recommended.
Even with Unity it can be disabled from settings:
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What a horrible article. In reality you just need to uninstall 2 packages if you're worried about tracking. And the search works in the Unity - doesn't apply to Xubuntu I recommended.
Even with Unity it can be disabled from settings:
(http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ubuntu-search-640x236.png)
So you disapprove of GNU founder and approve of Canonical default 'adware' installs on GNU GPL licensed software? It's not that Canonical didn't sin before and as it looks like, it is not the last time either.
Remember Canonical's tracking of Ubuntu installs?
What do you get when you ignore little things like that? You get Open Office (before handed over to Apache F.), MySQL, RHE, etc. But no worries, you can always uninstall those and switch to Libre, MariaDB and CentOS, right? Well, that shouldn't be an argument at all, otherwise you could just stick with Microsoft and Apple.
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Just installed Mint14 64bit and I gotta say I like it. Still cant get my work programs to run so I have to reinstall W7Pro but I think I will dual boot to LM14 :banana:
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So you disapprove of GNU founder and approve of Canonical default 'adware' installs on GNU GPL licensed software? It's not that Canonical didn't sin before and as it looks like, it is not the last time either.
Remember Canonical's tracking of Ubuntu installs?
What do you get when you ignore little things like that? You get Open Office (before handed over to Apache F.), MySQL, RHE, etc. But no worries, you can always uninstall those and switch to Libre, MariaDB and CentOS, right? Well, that shouldn't be an argument at all, otherwise you could just stick with Microsoft and Apple.
I'm not a FOSS nazi. If the price for getting the computer to work optimally is having to use closed code, so be it. As long as it does and doesn't add up the cost.
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I was going to post this news article about Ubuntu, but seems bighorn beat me to it...... with the main source
http://www.neowin.net/news/richard-stallman-accuses-ubuntu-of-spying-on-users
I do find a little humor in the comments ....... also, disabling this stuff could have an adverse effect on other abilities of said software
TC
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I was going to post this news article about Ubuntu, but seems bighorn beat me to it...... with the main source
http://www.neowin.net/news/richard-stallman-accuses-ubuntu-of-spying-on-users
I do find a little humor in the comments ....... also, disabling this stuff could have an adverse effect on other abilities of said software
TC
Just use Xubuntu which doesn't have any of that Unity crap. Unity degrades performance in other ways also, it's just horrible.
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I didn't like Ubuntu's default GUI too much, switched to KDE and now its all right.
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