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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Eric19 on September 14, 2012, 08:24:39 PM
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anyone know if this had a lot of operational use in the war it seems as though a good plane with a high speed like our jug but with a bigger motor and a crusie speed of 390mph along with the 460mph top speed
just curious is all..........
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It didn't see service in WWII.
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wiki said it was handed to squads in 1945 or something along those lines
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It didn't finish it's testing until after the Japanese surrender. Too bad, I'd love to see it in the game. :frown:
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wiki said it was handed to squads in 1945 or something along those lines
I would suggest you really read that wiki entry... ;)
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I would suggest you really read that wiki entry... ;)
I speed readed I was actually looking up the specs of the Rolls Royce Vulture X engine just to give me an idea of the ammount of power and what it actually looked like
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I speed readed I was actually looking up the specs of the Rolls Royce Vulture X engine just to give me an idea of the ammount of power and what it actually looked like
looks like you speed typeded too.
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its very early in the morning where I'm at thank you very much :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :furious :furious :mad:
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its very early in the morning where I'm at thank you very much :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :furious :furious :mad:
Wanna know the sad part? They could have had an almost Fury in 1944 if the Bristol hadn't so pissed off a senior guy in the UK government that upon hearing that a Bristol Centaurus had been installed in a Tempest as they were going to do flight tests with it that he rushed to prevent it and have the engine taken out of said Tempest Mk II.
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looks like you speed typeded too.
hey if u dont like the speling done read tha posst
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wiki said it was handed to squads in 1945 or something along those lines
This seems to have more info on a/c and stuff than WIKI
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=650
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wiki said it was handed to squads in 1945 or something along those lines
There is your problem. You used Wiki.
As much I as I would love to see the SeaFury in the MA's, as well as the Do-335, those aircraft never saw service in WW2. The Do-335 never made it past 1945.
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Thought you guys in this thread may appreciate this pic. Both my grandfathers were in the RCAF and RAF during the war. One grandfather was a ferry pilot for Lancasters far part of the war, and then went on to work for the RAF after his RCAF tour in Bomber Command. He didn't fly any missions but worked with the "office" in operations. My other grandfather was something of a radio whiz, and worked for the RAF first, THEN the RCAF. I have pictures of him with the a303 Polish squadron during the BoB and a bunch of other slides. We just discovered this set of slides of planes he enjoyed working on after the war. This belonged to an old friend of his. My grandfather is in the white on the wing. I'm not 100% even of the type, but with the tail hook I think it is some variant of the Sea Fury, but as my grandfather has passed away and I've yet to find the corresponding notes with his slides, I can't be sure other than my grandmother saying this was one of the planes we worked on for friends of his who had money and planes of their own, haha.
(http://www.mediafire.com/conv/28cbbd68eb2202716879c0c6fc96e7fdfb5fa84fcf6d5e3a70a4e19eb60707556g.jpg)
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The Do-335 did see combat, though not at squad level. I read one account where 4 Tempests jumped a single Do-335. End result the Do-335 simply outran them. My guess is there may be a few other similar, one-off accounts.
Boo
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Boo is right. I know this as I was searching online for the story about Kurt Tank's Ta152 outrunning a bunch of Tempests and found the story about the 335 instead a while back.
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The Do-335 did see combat, though not at squad level. I read one account where 4 Tempests jumped a single Do-335. End result the Do-335 simply outran them. My guess is there may be a few other similar, one-off accounts.
Boo
This was a prototype flown by a test pilot - it had no guns, Pierre Clostermann was the one that had the encounter:
In his book The Big Show (pages 273-274) he describes leading a flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern Germany, when he intercepted a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot reversed course to evade. Despite the Tempest's considerable low altitude speed, the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position.
I found some war records on this, it was a prototype, test pilot was happy he only had a quarter of tank of gas and without the guns gave the Do-335 very brisk acceleration, however it was actually destroyed later on by bombing sadly.
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(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb414/noelle1231/doo.jpg)
The Do-335 was one of a small group of aircraft marking the pinnacle of international piston-engined development. It was the fastest production piston-engined fighter ever built, attaining 846 kilometers per hour (474 mph) in level flight at a time when the official world speed record was 755 kph (469 mph). Powered by two 1800-hp engines in a unique low-drag configuration and weighing 9600 kg (21,000 lb) loaded, it was an exceptional heavy fighter. This very innovative design also featured an ejection seat, for pilot safety, and a jettisoning fin.
The unconventional layout of the Do-335 -- one engine "pulling" in the nose and another "pushing" in the tail - was patented by Claudius Dornier in 1937. The configuration provided the power of two engines, but with reduced drag and better maneuverability. The German Aviation Ministry (RLM) was interested in the design, but initially wanted Dornier only to produce bombers. By 1942, Dornier was still continuing design work and the war situation was worsening. The Luftwaffe now needed a multi-purpose fighter, and the prototype Do-335V-1 ("V" indicating "versuchs" or "experimental") flew in fighter form in September, 1943 - six years after its conception. Orders were immediately placed for 14 prototypes, 10 A-0 preproduction aircraft, 11 production A-1 single-seaters, and 3 A-10 and A-12 two-seat trainers.
The aircraft was quite large for a single-seat fighter, with a cruciform tail and a tricycle landing gear. The two massive liquid-cooled Daimler-Benz DB-603 engines were used in four different versions, each displacing 44.5 liters (2670 cu in) and weighing 910 kg (2006 lb). The engine produced 1750 hp from 12 cylinders in an inverted V layout using fuel injection and an 8.3:1 compression ratio. The rear three-bladed propeller and dorsal fin were jettisoned by explosive bolts in an emergency, to allow the pilot to bail out safely using a pneumatic ejection seat. The seat, inclined 13 degrees to the rear, was ejected with a force of 20 times gravity. The ventral fin could be jettisoned for a belly landing.
Unlike a normal twin-engined aircraft, with wing-mounted engines, loss of an engine on the Do-335 did not cause a handling problem. Even with one engine out, speed was a respectable 621 kph (348 mph). Because of its appearance, pilots dubbed it the "Ant eater" ("Ameisenbar"), although they described its performance as exceptional, particularly in acceleration and turning radius. The Do-335 was very docile in flight and had no dangerous spin characteristics. Many Do-335 prototypes were built, as the Reich strained desperately to provide day and night fighters and fast reconnaissance aircraft to the failing war effort. One of the many RLM production plans, issued in December 1943, called for the production of 310 Do-335s by late 1945. Initial production was at the Dornier Manuel plant, but this factory was bombed heavily in March-April, 1944, and the Do-335 tooling was destroyed.
Ten Do-335A-0 preproduction aircraft were then produced at Dornier's Oberpfaffenhofen plant in July-October 1944, by which time the Allied bombing campaign was delaying arrivals of engines, propellers, radios, and structural subcomponents. This had a serious effect, because the Do-335 was not a simple aircraft: installation of the electronics alone took 60 hours of assembly, and the electrical parts list was 112 pages long. Production of Daimler-Benz engines, for example, was switched to factories set up in underground salt mines and gypsum mines, but high humidity caused corrosion problems and production dropped 40 percent. Although several preproduction aircraft were issued to combat conversion units some 10 months before the war ended, no Do-335s actually entered combat. Deliveries began to the 1st Experimental Squadron of the Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe ( I/Versuchsverband Ob.d.L.) in late July 1944 for operational trials.
The first of the Do-335A-1 production version left the Dornier line at Friedrichshafen early in 1945, one of only four produced in 1945. It was armed with one 30 mm MK-103 cannon (70 rounds were carried) firing through the propeller hub and two 15 mm MG-151/15 cannon (200 rounds per gun) firing from the top of the forward engine. Even with the fighter situation as desperate as it was, these aircraft were still equipped to carry 500 kg (1100 lb) of bombs internally. Further operational testing, including use of air-to-ground guided missiles, began in Spring 1945 with Trials Unit (Erprobungskommando) 335.
The Do-335A-6 was to be a two-seat night fighter version with the advanced FFO FuG-217J Neptun radar having triple "trident"-like antennas (hence the name "Neptun") on the fuselage and wings, but only a prototype was completed. A total of 37 prototypes, 10 A-0s, 11 A-1s and 2 A-12 trainers were built, although nearly 85 additional aircraft were in assembly when U.S. troops overran the Friedrichshafen factory in late April, 1945. The Vienna-Swechat plant of the Ernst Heinkel AG was also scheduled to build the Do-335 beginning in February, 1945, but production never started.
The NASM aircraft is the second Do-335A-0, designated A-02, with construction number (werke nummer) 240102 and factory registration VG+PH. It was built at Dornier's Rechlin-Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany, plant on April 16, 1945. It was captured by Allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. After checkout, it was flown from a grass runway at Oberweisenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France. During this flight, the Do-335 easily outclimbed and outdistanced two escorting P-51s, beating them to Cherbourg by 45 minutes. Under the U.S. Army Air Force's "Project Sea Horse," two Do-335s were shipped to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS "Reaper" together with other captured German aircraft, for detailed evaluation. This aircraft was assigned to the U.S. Navy, which tested it at the Test and Evaluation Center, Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Maryland. The other aircraft, with registration FE-1012 (later T2-1012), went to the USAAF at Freeman Field, Indiana, where it was tested in early 1946. Its subsequent fate is unknown, and this is the only Do-335 known to exist.
Following Navy flight tests in 1945-48, the aircraft was donated to the Smithsonian's National Air Museum in 1961 but was stored at NAS Norfolk until 1974. It was then returned to Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany, where the Dornier company restored it to original condition in 1975. The return trip to Germany required an exemption under U.S. laws concerning the export of munitions. The Dornier craftsmen doing the restoration - many of whom had worked on the original aircraft -- were astonished to find that the explosive charges fitted to blow off the tail fin and rear propeller in an emergency were still in the aircraft and active, 30 years after their original installation! The Do-335 was put on static display at the May 1-9, 1976, Hannover Airshow, and then loaned to the Deutsches Museum in Munich, where it was on prominent display until returned to Silver Hill, MD, for storage in 1986.
http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?id=A19610129000
man that thing must have been fun to fly
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I read one account where 4 Tempests jumped a single Do-335. End result the Do-335 simply outran them.
Runtard! :mad:
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There is your problem. You used Wiki.
I'm getting a bit tired of this kind of knee-jerk wiki bashing. If he had actually used Wiki, he would have known better.
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I'm getting a bit tired of this kind of knee-jerk wiki bashing. If he had actually used Wiki, he would have known better.
I read wiki many times and found that what I thought to be the sea fury coming into squadron strength within a couple days of the war ending and obviously I read it wrong so thats why I came here to dig up more info from the people with the actual books on stuff like this
very cool read there DMGOD
:salute
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Even if it had come into squadron service within a couple of days before the war ended it is unlikely it would have seen combat. Both the F7F and F8F entered squadron service shortly before VJ day, but neither made it into combat. That does not 100% preclude them, but HTC stated that they would like for things added to have seen combat.
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No allied proto types were shipped any where because they won the war, and thus kept secret.
Why are people not flying the 410 in game they voted for it?
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No allied proto types were shipped any where because they won the war, and thus kept secret.
Why are people not flying the 410 in game they voted for it?
cause the 410 is a pig at 23,000lbs and has a turn radius the size of texas
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Why are people not flying the 410 in game they voted for it?
Who said they aren't? ;)
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No allied proto types were shipped any where because they won the war, and thus kept secret.
Why are people not flying the 410 in game they voted for it?
There is almost nothing left to add that will see high volume usage. Stop complaining about new things not being used like the P-51D.
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I don't want to see any of your charts :)
They are nothing but lies and statistics. :)
I do like pie charts though, even though there are not made of meat. :)
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My dad used to walk around the planes when they were stored in norfolk........mostly just sitting on the ramp out in the elements.
In the late 80s or early 90s, the DO335 was at Garber and some old guy fooled me into thinking the explosive bolts that remove the rear of the plane for egress were still live at that time.
Old dudes love to troll the noobs and it's more fun in real life than on the internet.
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Thought you guys in this thread may appreciate this pic. Both my grandfathers were in the RCAF and RAF during the war. One grandfather was a ferry pilot for Lancasters far part of the war, and then went on to work for the RAF after his RCAF tour in Bomber Command. He didn't fly any missions but worked with the "office" in operations. My other grandfather was something of a radio whiz, and worked for the RAF first, THEN the RCAF. I have pictures of him with the a303 Polish squadron during the BoB and a bunch of other slides. We just discovered this set of slides of planes he enjoyed working on after the war. This belonged to an old friend of his. My grandfather is in the white on the wing. I'm not 100% even of the type, but with the tail hook I think it is some variant of the Sea Fury, but as my grandfather has passed away and I've yet to find the corresponding notes with his slides, I can't be sure other than my grandmother saying this was one of the planes we worked on for friends of his who had money and planes of their own, haha.
(http://www.mediafire.com/conv/28cbbd68eb2202716879c0c6fc96e7fdfb5fa84fcf6d5e3a70a4e19eb60707556g.jpg)
CF-CHB was a Sea Fury FB Mk11 so I would assume CE-CFB is one too.
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The Do 335 was a complete Pfeil. :P
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During the Israeli independence war an Israeli Beaufighter (flown by a Canadian volunteer) shot down an Egyptian Sea Fury (actually a maneuver kill at low alt). Why ask for a Sea Fury, when we can ask for a Beaufighter?
http://www.acesofww2.com/Canada/aces/fitchett.htm
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I speed readed I was actually looking up the specs of the Rolls Royce Vulture X engine just to give me an idea of the ammount of power and what it actually looked like
The vulture x was one of Rolls few failures.
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The Do-335 did see combat, though not at squad level. I read one account where 4 Tempests jumped a single Do-335. End result the Do-335 simply outran them. My guess is there may be a few other similar, one-off accounts.
Boo
Does running from a fight constitute combat?
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:rofl
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Does running from a fight constitute combat?
....er...have you visited the MAs....?
- oldman
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Does running from a fight constitute combat?
Ask the pilot of the 335 who had no guns. Pretty sure it was combat to him.
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Ask the pilot of the 335 who had no guns. Pretty sure it was combat to him.
From what I read, this was a test pilot, not a combat pilot. That plus no guns - yeah i'd be running too.
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From what I read, this was a test pilot, not a combat pilot. That plus no guns - yeah i'd be running too.
Any Luftwaffe pilot in 1945 was a combat pilot, as all of Germany was a combat zone. And yes, I'd run like hell too, and thank God my plane is faster than a Tempest.
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Alone against 4 Tempests, in an unarmed aircraft... WW2 wasnt a stupid computer game, that poor guy was playing with his life!! Think about it. I would run like hell too.
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Alone against 4 Tempests, in an unarmed aircraft... WW2 wasnt a stupid computer game, that poor guy was playing with his life!! Think about it. I would run like hell too.
Yes, but it does not get the Do335 its eligibility. It was not the Do335 people want in AH as it had no guns.
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Yes, but it does not get the Do335 its eligibility. It was not the Do335 people want in AH as it had no guns.
Ooooow. German Tempest, denied!
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Yes, but it does not get the Do335 its eligibility. It was not the Do335 people want in AH as it had no guns.
Where i said that i would like this to be added? ;)
You exactly know which ones are high on my list.
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Debrody has the wisdom of the pro-fight plane selection :salute
Early war planes for the win. :rock
There's a Sea Fury at a Museum I recently went to (apologies for poor shot):-
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/PC290037_zps2c00ae6c.jpg)
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Debrody has the wisdom of the pro-fight plane selection :salute
Early war planes for the win. :rock
There's a Sea Fury at a Museum I recently went to (apologies for poor shot):-
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/PC290037_zps2c00ae6c.jpg)
:O :O :O :O :O pretty plane I love the six bladed prop on it lol
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6? Aren't you suppose to be in school?
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6? Aren't you suppose to be in school?
I should hope so and taking extra math classes. :devil
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it was late start day for me lol :P
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Is AH having their annual convention this year? If so, I might actually make the 10-hour drive to Texas and face palm. Actually, Skuzzy and I need to have a talk about how much fun I can, or cannot have on political threads.
In any case, back to the convention. In years past they have had tri-planes with miniguns, sharks, santa clause, etc. What about doing a trick rig this next convention and giving us a couple ubber post war monsters for the day. Nothing special but didn't they create the...
P-51N
Sea Fury
P38S(teroids)
F4U-?
SpitXXI
Fw-190D-13
...that didn't meet the criteria for inclusion; might be close enough that if they can computer build a santa clause sleigh they could modify the current birds to meet these upgrades...just for one weekend of fun?!
Oh I think they could but that's just me.
Boo
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Spit 21 is technically, just barely, not post way. Was in squadron service and sank a German mini-sub.
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And the Meteor. It did have a scruffle with german planes, but without a kill. But did operate in squad service and kill doodlebugs, which is an issue for another thread.....
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Not historically accurate but would be a very competitive plane if added