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Title: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Rob52240 on September 21, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
http://www.guns.com/gun-store-shooting-10996.html

This is why mass shootings only happen in settings equivalent to 'fish in a barrel'.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: gyrene81 on September 21, 2012, 12:59:46 PM
ehehehehe...lol, what a maroon
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: ink on September 21, 2012, 01:31:26 PM
 :rofl
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Post by: zack1234 on September 21, 2012, 01:33:45 PM
So the criminal is dead?
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Post by: ALFAMEGA51 on September 21, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
Haha wow  :rofl
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: ink on September 21, 2012, 01:52:32 PM
So the criminal is dead?

haha yup and one of the few reasons I agree with killing.....he got exactly what he deserved.
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Post by: Tracerfi on September 21, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
quote from the website this is one of the worst places to pull a gun on someone and it is: The White House
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Post by: zack1234 on September 21, 2012, 02:52:13 PM
I hope the guy in the shop will be ok and the crimminal was put in the river :old:
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Post by: Spikes on September 21, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
quote from the website this is one of the worst places to pull a gun on someone and it is: The White House

What is your point?


I work at a sporting goods store, kind of like a Dicks where we sell guns as well. Once in a while I think about the situation of an armed robbery in the store. It just doesn't make sense to me to do that.
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Post by: Seanaldinho on September 21, 2012, 04:11:01 PM
What is your point?

My thoughts exactly :)
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Delirium on September 21, 2012, 06:31:11 PM
My mother in law knows the family; the man was mentally ill and he wrote about his death before he visited the gun range.

He should of never had access to a gun, this was suicide by proxy. It makes the story a lot less fun to read knowing that though.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: MarineUS on September 21, 2012, 06:37:02 PM
L-O-L ......wow....just....idk..


My mother in law knows the family; the man was mentally ill and he wrote about his death before he visited the gun range.

He should of never had access to a gun, this was suicide by proxy. It makes the story a lot less fun to read knowing that though.
Meh, IMHO it just means he was too pathetic to off himself. If he was miserable, he should have just suck started a pistol in his room. Suicide is a terrible thing and I've experienced more than my fair share of it, but even though it's sad that one could want to die so badly; trying to hurt others before you do it is one of the worst things you can do. You'll only be remembered as that one idiot who ruined (or in this case: Tried to ruin) someone else's life.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: skorpx1 on September 21, 2012, 06:44:59 PM
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27149964.jpg)


My god. Some people are just beyond stupid...
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: ink on September 21, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
L-O-L ......wow....just....idk..

Meh, IMHO it just means he was too pathetic to off himself. If he was miserable, he should have just suck started a pistol in his room. Suicide is a terrible thing and I've experienced more than my fair share of it, but even though it's sad that one could want to die so badly; trying to hurt others before you do it is one of the worst things you can do. You'll only be remembered as that one idiot who ruined (or in this case: Tried to ruin) someone else's life.

seriously.....what did you miss when Del said he was mentally ill....that makes it far different then the typical scum wanting to hurt others.

My mother in law knows the family; the man was mentally ill and he wrote about his death before he visited the gun range.

He should of never had access to a gun, this was suicide by proxy. It makes the story a lot less fun to read knowing that though.

yes it does....I am embarrassed I laughed at it.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 09:29:16 AM
My mother in law knows the family; the man was mentally ill and he wrote about his death before he visited the gun range.

He should of never had access to a gun, this was suicide by proxy. It makes the story a lot less fun to read knowing that though.

Had he been adjudicated as a danger to himself or others and listed in a data base available to the store? I suppose by definition you could label anyone who commits a brazen and clearly illegal act as "mentally ill" as such act is not the sign of a "well" person.
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Post by: Delirium on September 22, 2012, 04:01:25 PM
Maverick;

1.  I do not blame the store in any fashion. In fact, I feel bad the store employee had to live through that, it will make for many sleeplessness nights.

2. This guy had a KNOWN history of mental illness, he has been hospitalized many times for it and should of been under close supervision of a MD. Unfortunately, he couldn't hold a job due to his illness and lost his health insurance because of lack of employment (even cobra runs out eventually). He was perusing disability, but it hadn't cleared yet.

3. I am not labeling him mentally I'll, that diagnosis was given to him long before he entered that gun store.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: ink on September 22, 2012, 04:04:42 PM
Maverick;

1.  I do not blame the store in any fashion. In fact, I feel bad the store employee had to live through that, it will make for many sleeplessness nights.

2. This guy had a KNOWN history of mental illness, he has been hospitalized many times for it and should of been under close supervision of a MD. Unfortunately, he couldn't hold a job due to his illness and lost his health insurance because of lack of employment (even cobra runs out eventually). He was perusing disability, but it hadn't cleared yet.

3. I am not labeling him mentally I'll, that diagnosis was given to him long before he entered that gun store.

I gathered that from you're post on it......very sad situation.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: zack1234 on September 23, 2012, 05:12:51 AM
All crimminals must have mental problems :old:

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Post by: soda72 on September 23, 2012, 08:47:57 AM

This guy might be a runner up for the prize..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19683408
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Post by: ebfd11 on September 23, 2012, 09:53:08 AM
LOL I loved this part of the article...

We sat down to try to think of the absolute worst locations imaginable to pull out a gun and try to shoot somebody.

    Submarine
    Propane tank storage facility
    The White House
    Spaceship
    U.S. Marine Base
    Krav Maga convention
    Fireworks factory
    Nuclear power plant
    Gun store
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Maverick on September 23, 2012, 10:28:07 AM
Delerium, I wasn't asking to be sarcastic, it was a serious question. Unfortunately what folks understand as mentally ill does not always translate to an adjudication of same. Unless and until a person is adjudicated by a judge as mentally ill (a danger to themselves and or others) their name is not entered on any data base. If they are not entered they can obtain access to a weapon in the same manner as the individual in this thread did. That was why I asked about it. It leaves the folks like the store and other gun shops hanging. The same thing about laughner. Folks said he was "known to be mentally ill" yet no one reported him as such. No one caused him to be evaluated and he certainly wasn't adjudicated as mentally ill until he shot Giffords and several other folks.

Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Rob52240 on September 23, 2012, 11:29:53 AM
All crimminals must have mental problems :old:



I only agree when it comes to violent crime and property crime. 

Consensual crime makes up the bulk of crimes committed in the US though.
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Post by: zack1234 on September 23, 2012, 11:51:48 AM
Violent crime and property crime are the most important :old:
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Post by: Rob52240 on September 23, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
They're the only types crime that I consider to be crime.
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Post by: SPKmes on September 23, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
we had that happen over here a couple of years back ..... I tell you  the guy was nuts to even do it... for one, to enter you press the bell...they eyeball you...then you enter a man trap area ( two doors only one opens at a time) still there is somebody with their eye on you... then you're in the shop...but the only way out is for them to let you out by releasing the magnet catch....  and to top it all off.... the idiot went in to rob this place with a machete  :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Rob52240 on September 23, 2012, 12:53:32 PM
we had that happen over here a couple of years back ..... I tell you  the guy was nuts to even do it... for one, to enter you press the bell...they eyeball you...then you enter a man trap area ( two doors only one opens at a time) still there is somebody with their eye on you... then you're in the shop...but the only way out is for them to let you out by releasing the magnet catch....  and to top it all off.... the idiot went in to rob this place with a machete  :lol :lol :lol



Like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpXj4cj5MUw
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: madhogg on September 24, 2012, 04:46:44 AM
:rofl
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Post by: JimmyC on September 24, 2012, 10:46:57 AM
 :aok     :rofl :rofl :rofl

EDIT: Laughing at Snatch clip
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Shuffler on September 24, 2012, 11:04:21 AM
seriously.....what did you miss when Del said he was mentally ill....that makes it far different then the typical scum wanting to hurt others.

yes it does....I am embarrassed I laughed at it.

So he was mentally ill and wanting to hurt others.

Evidently to rent a gun they do not have to go through a security check like you do when purchasing. That may require some changes if that is so.

The shop also failed in their own rules of not allowing folks to carry a loaded rental weapon from the range into the shop.

There are different types and degrees of mental illness. This guy was able to pass himself off as and appear normal enough to rent a weapon.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: ink on September 24, 2012, 12:24:51 PM
So he was mentally ill and wanting to hurt others.

Evidently to rent a gun they do not have to go through a security check like you do when purchasing. That may require some changes if that is so.

The shop also failed in their own rules of not allowing folks to carry a loaded rental weapon from the range into the shop.

There are different types and degrees of mental illness. This guy was able to pass himself off as and appear normal enough to rent a weapon.

people who are mentally ill have no control over what they do.....they are not the typical criminal.....and should not be treated as such......(obviously I am not saying they should be able to do anything without consequences)  but they should be taken care off and given some kind of life in a controlled environment. 

overall the situation sux....I am not saying the guy who shot him was in the wrong....he did what he had to do......and I feel he was in the right.......

I just know mentally ill people....met too many....and none of them were like the criminals I have met......I feel bad for people like that, I can only imagine what it is like.....


I think we are losing our compassion as a people.....our humanity is slipping away and before we know it there will be no love left in this world.....thats not the world I want to live in.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Shuffler on September 24, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
people who are mentally ill have no control over what they do.....they are not the typical criminal.....and should not be treated as such......(obviously I am not saying they should be able to do anything without consequences)  but they should be taken care off and given some kind of life in a controlled environment. 

overall the situation sux....I am not saying the guy who shot him was in the wrong....he did what he had to do......and I feel he was in the right.......

I just know mentally ill people....met too many....and none of them were like the criminals I have met......I feel bad for people like that, I can only imagine what it is like.....


I think we are losing our compassion as a people.....our humanity is slipping away and before we know it there will be no love left in this world.....thats not the world I want to live in.

I feel for the mentally ill also. I have known several myself.

Those who have no control over what they do need to be controlled by someone who does have control over what they do. They should not be let out alone.

If you are killed by someone with mental illness you are just as dead as being killed by someone that has no illness.

I see the failure here as the system that tries to protect them at the risk of people with no illness. If anyone in my family was killed by anyone else, I would not care if that person was mentally ill or not. I would want him dead.
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: ink on September 24, 2012, 01:52:11 PM
I feel for the mentally ill also. I have known several myself.

Those who have no control over what they do need to be controlled by someone who does have control over what they do. They should not be let out alone.

If you are killed by someone with mental illness you are just as dead as being killed by someone that has no illness.

I see the failure here as the system that tries to protect them at the risk of people with no illness. If anyone in my family was killed by anyone else, I would not care if that person was mentally ill or not. I would want him dead.

I agree.......with what is in red for sure.....and yes obviously you will be just as dead from someone with or without a mental illness......

I have severe PTSD....I take no drugs for it(except pot when I can)  so I understand the hopelessness that invades ones mind....I am lucky....for I do have a strong mind, but I still cant deal with certain situations....thats why I don't go to bars....concerts....anywhere there will be crowds of people....even with the mind I have...... I have a very hard time controlling my anger....or suicidal thoughts.....and only because of my wife and kids have I been even remotely able to deal with this world.
so I have a slight understanding of what it must be like to have NO control over ones mind......it is a living hell....one I don't wish on my worst enemy......

I feel we need to truly help and give some kind of comfort to those like that.....not just lock them up and throw away the key....or put them down like rabid dogs.


 


 
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: Shuffler on September 24, 2012, 02:04:17 PM
I agree.......with what is in red for sure.....and yes obviously you will be just as dead from someone with or without a mental illness......

I have severe PTSD....I take no drugs for it(except pot when I can)  so I understand the hopelessness that invades ones mind....I am lucky....for I do have a strong mind, but I still cant deal with certain situations....thats why I don't go to bars....concerts....anywhere there will be crowds of people....even with the mind I have...... I have a very hard time controlling my anger....or suicidal thoughts.....and only because of my wife and kids have I been even remotely able to deal with this world.
so I have a slight understanding of what it must be like to have NO control over ones mind......it is a living hell....one I don't wish on my worst enemy......

I feel we need to truly help and give some kind of comfort to those like that.....not just lock them up and throw away the key....or put them down like rabid dogs.


 


 

Yes their family should help.


Your family helps you cope with your PTSD. You know the difference between right and wrong and work on taking the right choice. Some do not have the facilities to make that judgement..... those are the ones I am refering to when I say they should not be out alone.

We all know you should really not be out in public   :neener:
Title: Re: Darwin award Clinched
Post by: ink on September 24, 2012, 02:08:49 PM
Yes their family should help.


Your family helps you cope with your PTSD. You know the difference between right and wrong and work on taking the right choice. Some do not have the facilities to make that judgement..... those are the ones I am refering to when I say they should not be out alone.

We all know you should really not be out in public   :neener:


 :)

thanx I need to laugh today :(