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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Stalwart on October 13, 2012, 01:54:23 AM
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Anyone else got 'em? :frown:
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Too busy with MLS playoffs. After that though... I'll be missing my Sharks bad.
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Caught a couple games from Europe on ESPN. Local sports network is running the Bruins run to the cup. Was ticked off watching them lose to Montreal again LOL!
What ever happened to just splitting the two bids down the middle and everyone being happy with that? Ticks me off that the players can play overseas and they make so much that missing a season in the NHL isn't going to hurt their pocket books <--- yes I said pocket books! bunch of sticking "girls".
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Caught a couple games from Europe on ESPN. Local sports network is running the Bruins run to the cup. Was ticked off watching them lose to Montreal again LOL!
What ever happened to just splitting the two bids down the middle and everyone being happy with that? Ticks me off that the players can play overseas and they make so much that missing a season in the NHL isn't going to hurt their pocket books <--- yes I said pocket books! bunch of sticking "girls".
Don't blame the players. This is not the players striking but the ownership locking out the players. In this case the ownership is asking for such a large change in the CBA that even the "middle ground" means major change for the players. The ownership group are pulling some very shady crap in their negotiations. The biggest issue is how the "Hockey Related Revenue" (HRR) is distributed between the ownership and players. The CBA that just ended had 57% going to the players (too much IMHO). The proposed deal by the ownership has the players receiving only 46% of HRR. On top of that, the ownership wants to redefine what money is HRR. Effectively making the HRR total smaller before giving the players their share which bring the true share down to 43%. Ownership then pockets the other money which no longer factored into HRR. The players were locked out for not agreeing to let the ownership "F" them in the "A".
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Nope no withdrawals here.
Oh wait they are all over here playing.... :D
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Don't blame the players. This is not the players striking but the ownership locking out the players. In this case the ownership is asking for such a large change in the CBA that even the "middle ground" means major change for the players. The ownership group are pulling some very shady crap in their negotiations. The biggest issue is how the "Hockey Related Revenue" (HRR) is distributed between the ownership and players. The CBA that just ended had 57% going to the players (too much IMHO). The proposed deal by the ownership has the players receiving only 46% of HRR. On top of that, the ownership wants to redefine what money is HRR. Effectively making the HRR total smaller before giving the players their share which bring the true share down to 43%. Ownership then pockets the other money which no longer factored into HRR. The players were locked out for not agreeing to let the ownership "F" them in the "A".
Anyone making over a million dollars in less than a year gives up all rights to piss and moan about percentages. Personally I think they should shut up and play. They don't want to, lock them out for 5 years and let the minor leagues move up to the top spot. Screw all those primadonnas!
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Anyone making over a million dollars in less than a year gives up all rights to piss and moan about percentages. Personally I think they should shut up and play. They don't want to, lock them out for 5 years and let the minor leagues move up to the top spot. Screw all those primadonnas!
So what about the owners doing the exact same thing?
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Professional sports seems to be the only place in the world where the employees tell the employers what to do with their profits....
Seems foolish to me, especially when the amounts most of the players are losing in the lockout amounts to far more than they are losing in the proposed new CBA.
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Professional sports seems to be the only place in the world where the employees tell the employers what to do with their profits....
Seems foolish to me, especially when the amounts most of the players are losing in the lockout amounts to far more than they are losing in the proposed new CBA.
With out the players, there would be no owners.
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There are plenty of players ready to play., I say bring on the replacement players and let the primadonnas watch hockey.
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No... I took a good hockey this morn.
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With out the players, there would be no owners.
So the same comparison for every other business would be that without the employees there would be no companies? LOL, with all due respect, you're being naive. There are tens of thousands of people that would step into these pampered athletes positions in a heart beat for a mere fraction of the money. The bottom line here is the entitlement mentality. These players have you believing that they are suffering for you. That's a load of crap. They are "suffering" for the millions of dollars being thrown at them.
The NHL league minimum salary is $525K a year. That's up $75K from the 2005-2006 minimums. Still feeling sorry for them?
The NHL should bring in scabs and let these pampered athletes go play in Europe and Russia. Then they can see how pampered they really are in the NHL.
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Anyone else got 'em? :frown:
Yep. Have you been to an Allen Americans game yet?
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Yep. Have you been to an Allen Americans game yet?
Not yet this season. But that's a good idea. Fun and cheap too.
Do you skate? I hear there's a cool nooner skate with a former Stars pro on Fridays at the place in Plano.
Kind of a drills and scrimmage hour.
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What Canadians do in the absence of hockey...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JAbf-HHQ94 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JAbf-HHQ94)
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Gary Bettman :furious
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not at all, haven't watched since 2004
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Not yet this season. But that's a good idea. Fun and cheap too.
Do you skate? I hear there's a cool nooner skate with a former Stars pro on Fridays at the place in Plano.
Kind of a drills and scrimmage hour.
I play inline in Denton. Been wanting to make the jump to ice but I don't have the cash these days.
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I play inline in Denton. Been wanting to make the jump to ice but I don't have the cash these days.
Ditto on the cash issue.
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50/50 split on true revenues and the NHLPA turns it down. What a joke.
The NHLPA just lost the last bit of credibility they had in my eyes.
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Nope not here in St Louis Ive locked the NHL out plus we have Baseball still going on :D
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50/50 split on true revenues and the NHLPA turns it down. What a joke.
The NHLPA just lost the last bit of credibility they had in my eyes.
BRING ON THE SCABS !!!!
I'll watch them!
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BRING ON THE SCABS !!!!
I'll watch them!
Can we pick the scabs?
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The Owners should kick the NHLPA to the curb and bring in new players. It would be nice to get rid of those spoiled primadonas like Crosby anyways.
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Sucks not seeing my Hawks on TV. Last year I went to 6 games. Is there anything more exciting then going to see pro Hockey?
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I love going to the games, Boston is about a 90 minute ride, then you have all the trouble of trying to get out after the game so it makes for a long night. With that said I still went to a few games last year. We have a Sharks affiliate AHL team in Worcester, 30 minutes away, and the Providence Bruins AHL team 45 minutes away. All games are fun and we manage to hit a few each year. I'd be happy to see the AHL teams move up to the big clubs and we play hockey.
I'd be interested in the voting on the latest proposal the NHL presented. Did the whole league of players vote on it or did a selected few that are running the show trash it? I find it hard to believe that they could get the whole group to vote that quick and come back with more BS that fast. I have a feeling that the NHLPA isn't being represented as well as it could be. It looks to me that they have some Ahole looking to make a name for himself instead of someone who is looking to get a reasonable increase for the the players with out hurting the league.
Hockey was just finally making a descent comeback after the last lock out and now they seem to want to force the owners to do the same thing. Some of these players have to wake up and realize that hockey just is not as popular as football or baseball. They are not going to command the same numbers nor do they have the same pull as those players. Time to grow up and get back to work ladies!
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I love going to the games, Boston is about a 90 minute ride, then you have all the trouble of trying to get out after the game so it makes for a long night. With that said I still went to a few games last year. We have a Sharks affiliate AHL team in Worcester, 30 minutes away, and the Providence Bruins AHL team 45 minutes away. All games are fun and we manage to hit a few each year. I'd be happy to see the AHL teams move up to the big clubs and we play hockey.
I'd be interested in the voting on the latest proposal the NHL presented. Did the whole league of players vote on it or did a selected few that are running the show trash it? I find it hard to believe that they could get the whole group to vote that quick and come back with more BS that fast. I have a feeling that the NHLPA isn't being represented as well as it could be. It looks to me that they have some Ahole looking to make a name for himself instead of someone who is looking to get a reasonable increase for the the players with out hurting the league.
Hockey was just finally making a descent comeback after the last lock out and now they seem to want to force the owners to do the same thing. Some of these players have to wake up and realize that hockey just is not as popular as football or baseball. They are not going to command the same numbers nor do they have the same pull as those players. Time to grow up and get back to work ladies!
:headscratch: The players made major concessions after the strike year to get the deal they've had for the last eight. Now the owners are demanding more major concessions. Matter of fact, the owners won't even honor the contracts they SIGNED free agents to this summer. So, I don't understand where you're coming from.
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Having hockey withdrawals? Check out the movie Goon, it's sick awesome.
http://youtu.be/sytVoTYFT08 (http://youtu.be/sytVoTYFT08)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/10/6/2987784/Goon.jpg)
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:headscratch: The players made major concessions after the strike year to get the deal they've had for the last eight. Now the owners are demanding more major concessions. Matter of fact, the owners won't even honor the contracts they SIGNED free agents to this summer. So, I don't understand where you're coming from.
You do realize that those signing contracts this summer went into it KNOWING there was no new agreement on a CBA, right? Further, you do realize that while the players can shine in the game, it is the owners that provide the infrastructure and locale to play. Frankly, as a fan, I am tired of being held hostage to the athletes demanding high dollar paydays to play a freaking game. They need to sthu and be thankful that they get to do something they enjoy for a living instead of acting like spoiled primadonnas. It is also worth saying that these same primadonnas arguing for their huge paydays are doing it at the expense of those at the low end of the pay scale. I say F U to that. The game to do far better not having whiney punks like Crosby.
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acting like spoiled primadonnas
Whatever. The players are ready to go. The owners put a halt on the season because they want.
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Whatever. The players are ready to go. The owners put a halt on the season because they want.
Of course the players are ready to go, the owners conceded ground to them last time, and they expect it again. The funny thing is, this time the owners have conceded to 50%. The players are still unhappy with that. Keep in mind as well, that the players that are really driving this are the rich primadonnas that really only make up 10% of the league. That group of 10% has convinced the majority of players they are better off making nothing for half a season and holding out. Meanwhile, retired players like Mike Modano step up and reveal the truth of it and say that they never recouped the losses of that half season the last time the players tried this.
I say kudos to the owners. Break this group of greedy primadonnas up. A season off will cost the league for sure, but these primadonnas will pay far more in the long term when it comes to income. Better yet would be for the owners to tell the NHLPA to eff off and bring in people that are more interested about the game then money...
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What Canadians do in the absence of hockey...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JAbf-HHQ94 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JAbf-HHQ94)
Thats just propaganda to bring Americans here! Every Canadian knows there's no open water during hockey season,you either play hockey or icefish. Lastweek I brought home 20lbs of ice! :devil
:salute
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Of course the players are ready to go, the owners conceded ground to them last time, and they expect it again. The funny thing is, this time the owners have conceded to 50%. The players are still unhappy with that. Keep in mind as well, that the players that are really driving this are the rich primadonnas that really only make up 10% of the league. That group of 10% has convinced the majority of players they are better off making nothing for half a season and holding out. Meanwhile, retired players like Mike Modano step up and reveal the truth of it and say that they never recouped the losses of that half season the last time the players tried this.
I say kudos to the owners. Break this group of greedy primadonnas up. A season off will cost the league for sure, but these primadonnas will pay far more in the long term when it comes to income. Better yet would be for the owners to tell the NHLPA to eff off and bring in people that are more interested about the game then money...
Go check your facts :(
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I'm a middle class guy. I have a hard time looking at ANYONE with a salary of over a million dollars and feel ANY kind of sympathy. While I don't think the owners are totally with out blame, I think the players....and by players I mean that top 10% Bodhi is talking about... are the biggest problem. Personally I'd be happy to make a million a year playing hockey. I'm sure I'd be able to survive on it as it is a HUGE increase as compared to what I make now. A number of Bruins took smaller salaries then they could have gotten just to stay in Boston and PLAY hockey. We need more players like that, and less like the Crosby"s in the league.
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Mondays and Wednesdays I wear my Penguin hat.
Tuesdays and Thursdays its the Avalanche hat
Weekends are Kings, Gretzky and Detroit.
And I have cute skirts for each of the above teams.
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Mondays and Wednesdays I wear my Penguin hat.
Tuesdays and Thursdays its the Avalanche hat
Weekends are Kings, Gretzky and Detroit.
And I have cute skirts for each of the above teams.
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Mondays and Wednesdays I wear my Penguin hat.
Tuesdays and Thursdays its the Avalanche hat
Weekends are Kings, Gretzky and Detroit.
And I have cute skirts for each of the above teams.
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Of course the players are ready to go, the owners conceded ground to them last time, and they expect it again. The funny thing is, this time the owners have conceded to 50%. The players are still unhappy with that. Keep in mind as well, that the players that are really driving this are the rich primadonnas that really only make up 10% of the league. That group of 10% has convinced the majority of players they are better off making nothing for half a season and holding out. Meanwhile, retired players like Mike Modano step up and reveal the truth of it and say that they never recouped the losses of that half season the last time the players tried this.
I say kudos to the owners. Break this group of greedy primadonnas up. A season off will cost the league for sure, but these primadonnas will pay far more in the long term when it comes to income. Better yet would be for the owners to tell the NHLPA to eff off and bring in people that are more interested about the game then money...
The owners conceded nothing. They made triple the profits in the last 3 years and now are trying to make the players take even less. The players came to the table and offered 4 points less and more but the owners want it all. Behind the scenes 2 of the owners are Ayn L Rand sociopaths and do not want the players to have any say in the league.
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Go check your facts :(
I have checked the facts and I am tired of the whining about the owners. Bottomline is there are a plethora of very talented people that can and more importantly, will step up and play the sport to replace those that are whining about their pay scale. If you don't like it, don't play it.
The owners are trying to break the entitlement attitude that is so prevalent across professional sports. That and free agency have ruined most professional sports.
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The owners conceded nothing. They made triple the profits in the last 3 years and now are trying to make the players take even less. The players came to the table and offered 4 points less and more but the owners want it all. Behind the scenes 2 of the owners are Ayn L Rand sociopaths and do not want the players to have any say in the league.
Silat, the ownership offered 50%. That is more than fair. Look into it some more. This is about the salary increases the top 10% are now expecting each new contract. At the rate they are continuing, only the top markets can compete and that is not good for the league, or the fan.
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The owners should offer 40% and if the nhlpa denies it bring in replacements. The Players made more then enough money for playing hockey. The owners did the work and became very successful in business and bought the franchise, they OWN the team. The owners make the decisions and should get most of the profits. That is the way business works. Employers>employees. I would love to see some cyclones in red wings jerseys. Also the replacements was a great movie. also if this happened most nhl players would cross. :rock
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No withdrawals here, played a scrimmage for 2 hours last night...with only 2 subs per team so short line changes and hard bloody work! I am wiped out today...
...and two games scheduled for tonight in our 3v3 league
and this is the NZ off-season!