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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Serenity on October 15, 2012, 11:23:56 AM
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So I'm finally moving up in the world and got an android tablet, and I'm looking for some app recommendations. I've got quick office pro and printer share, but I'm looking for more.
First I'm looking for a good quality drawing program like gimp, but for android.
Also, are there any other "must have" apps y'all would recommend?
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Facebook app is slow and sucks.
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Flashlight lol.
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Flashlight lol.
A must.......... also if you have directTV download their app and watch TV and movies anywhere. You can also set your recorder to record while anywhere. If you have Sunday Ticket get that too.
For security... Lookout if you lose your phone or it is stolen you can make it scream. It also flags it's last position if the battery dies so that if it is laying in the backyard or park you will know where.
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Also, are there any other "must have" apps y'all would recommend?
astro file manager
kindle for android + FB book reader (Aldiko book read is good too but the latest version is a bit messed up)
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A must.......... also if you have directTV download their app and watch TV and movies anywhere. You can also set your recorder to record while anywhere. If you have Sunday Ticket get that too.
For security... Lookout if you lose your phone or it is stolen you can make it scream. It also flags it's last position if the battery dies so that if it is laying in the backyard or park you will know where.
Same thing on my iPad except my dad doesn't have a DVR :( So I can't use the DirecTV app.
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On my phone, App Killer is a must.
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I use Software Data Cable (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lyy.softdatacable&hl=en) probably more than any other app.
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root the tablet if you can, lots of good sites full of info on how to do it. Then download adfree, no more annoying ads.
semp
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I downloaded ES file explorer onto mine. Lets me access network files and resources at home so I can stream content from my desktop onto the laptop via wifi
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I'm about to buy a tablet myself. Can't decide between Samsung or the ipad, 16 or 32gb Well and the prices. :rolleyes: I'm guessing the Samsung works with the android apps? Any apps to where you can use your tablet with your tv? Lastly andriod apps/games, anything close to ipad?
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crazy i just got the samsung tab2 7.0 it is awesome and it's 1/2 the price of the itampax. the 10.0 is cool too but more expensive. really happy with mine as it is fast. cant wait to root it and get rid of all the annoying ads on youtube. best thing about it is that I have a verizon phone with unlimited plan that is rooted and I cant tether it with no problems. my phone is the rezound so it's pretty fast :).
semp
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Evernote is awesome...it allows me to sync notes and files from phone, tablet and desktop all in one place.
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I'm about to buy a tablet myself. Can't decide between Samsung or the ipad, 16 or 32gb Well and the prices. :rolleyes: I'm guessing the Samsung works with the android apps? Any apps to where you can use your tablet with your tv? Lastly andriod apps/games, anything close to ipad?
I have both an IPad and a Samsung 10.1, specifically my ol lady uses her Ipad and I use my samsung. To me its really a novelty on what you want. For me I wasn't going to buy an Ipad, I got my 10.1 before they were pulled off the market, I paid $350 off beachcamera.com and bought a 16GB flash drive to bump it to 32GB.
As for apps I have ESPN, and brighthouse (TV app) as well as something called Splashtop remote, which allows me to login my desktop anytime I need.
Basically to me, both are quite capable, I see nothing better then either, same apps for an Ipad are for android (my samsung uses Sandwich Android 4.1 or something?)
It came down to price - it was $400 for a Samsung 10.1, and $25 for a 32pc kit (usb cords, covers for front of it, a plastic and rubber case around it, but I also had a $50 gift card for beachcamera, total price was $375.
Her Ipad came around $650, but she's more then happy with it as I am with my samsung.
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Mine is a Samsung with the 7" screen. Got it for 250 from best buy and it works good for me.
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Flashlight lol.
Flashlight app is great...fleshlight app is horrible. To rigid and makes a mess.... :bolt:
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Be sure and download your malware too. Apparently its a must for Android as well.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/10/15/fbi-issues-android-warning/?iid=SF_F_MPM
:cool:,
Wab
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If you have AVG, it gives you a free app to install for tablets, and phones, I would check your virus scanner to see if they do as well.
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Be sure and download your malware too. Apparently its a must for Android as well.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/10/15/fbi-issues-android-warning/?iid=SF_F_MPM
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Wag
I posted about Lookout already it covers malware too. Scans everything before installing.
https://www.lookout.com/ (https://www.lookout.com/)
It is available on Play Store.... (previously called Android Market)
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I use avast on my computers and got the app for my phone and tablet as well. Turns out it was perfect timing because I lost my phone this morning. Jumped on the avast website, locked the phone, turned on GPS tracking and went to find it!
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Be sure and download your malware too. Apparently its a must for Android as well.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/10/15/fbi-issues-android-warning/?iid=SF_F_MPM
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Wab
"Virtually every version of iOS has been quickly jailbroken (that is, modified to allow installation of apps and hacks not authorized by Apple or the mobile carrier).
Jailbreaking is accomplished by exploiting security vulnerabilities in iOS. The same exploits used to jailbreak (an arguably legitimate hack) could just as easily be used to infect an iOS device with malware.
And what happens if you get malware on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch? You wouldn't necessarily know it. Not all malware has big, flashy alerts like FakeAlert malware. Some is quiet and surreptitious like Flame.
And what's worse, you wouldn't be able to detect or remove iOS malware easily because Apple doesn't allow full-featured, real-time scanning anti-virus software in the iOS App Store."
http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/06/29/apple-mobile-device-security/
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If you like to hike/bike, or as in my case spend time off road in the Jeep, my tracks is a great free app.
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"Virtually every version of iOS has been quickly jailbroken (that is, modified to allow installation of apps and hacks not authorized by Apple or the mobile carrier).
Jailbreaking is accomplished by exploiting security vulnerabilities in iOS. The same exploits used to jailbreak (an arguably legitimate hack) could just as easily be used to infect an iOS device with malware.
And what happens if you get malware on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch? You wouldn't necessarily know it. Not all malware has big, flashy alerts like FakeAlert malware. Some is quiet and surreptitious like Flame.
And what's worse, you wouldn't be able to detect or remove iOS malware easily because Apple doesn't allow full-featured, real-time scanning anti-virus software in the iOS App Store."
http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/06/29/apple-mobile-device-security/
You can't download anything to iOS unless it's checked and verified by Apple, duh. As I said before a phone has to be totally locked down. Freedom + bank accounts are never a good combination. If you choose to jailbreak your phone and download crap from unreliable sources then by all means install an antivirus and have it eat 50% of your phones already poor processing power :)
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You can't download anything to iOS unless it's checked and verified by Apple, duh. As I said before a phone has to be totally locked down. Freedom + bank accounts are never a good combination. If you choose to jailbreak your phone and download crap from unreliable sources then by all means install an antivirus and have it eat 50% of your phones already poor processing power :)
I guess you missed this part entirely
"The same exploits used to jailbreak (an arguably legitimate hack) could just as easily be used to infect an iOS device with malware."
To add
First iOS malware hits App Store
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/07/06/first-ios-malware-hits-app-store/
And even more recently
Apple's iOS and Android are new favorite malware victims
Cybercriminals are working on more complex schemes to wage attacks on PCs, laptops, and smartphones. A new report shows that every single device that connects to the Internet is in danger.
According to a new report by McAfee (PDF), Malware is multiplying at a faster pace now than any other time in the last four years. There has been a 1.5 million increase in malware over last quarter, along with growth of newer threats, including "ransomware" attacks, thumb drive corrupters, and botnets.
While Windows PCs remain the hardest hit, there's a growing trend of attacks on Apple's Mac devices and Android smartphones
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57506159-83/apples-ios-and-android-are-new-favorite-malware-victims/
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I guess you missed this part entirely
"The same exploits used to jailbreak (an arguably legitimate hack) could just as easily be used to infect an iOS device with malware."
To add
First iOS malware hits App Store
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/07/06/first-ios-malware-hits-app-store/
And even more recently
Apple's iOS and Android are new favorite malware victims
Cybercriminals are working on more complex schemes to wage attacks on PCs, laptops, and smartphones. A new report shows that every single device that connects to the Internet is in danger.
According to a new report by McAfee (PDF), Malware is multiplying at a faster pace now than any other time in the last four years. There has been a 1.5 million increase in malware over last quarter, along with growth of newer threats, including "ransomware" attacks, thumb drive corrupters, and botnets.
While Windows PCs remain the hardest hit, there's a growing trend of attacks on Apple's Mac devices and Android smartphones
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57506159-83/apples-ios-and-android-are-new-favorite-malware-victims/
When you wipe out the saliva from the screen you may notice that Android (play) store has around 15% of applications removed regularly for containing malware (that is, after they started checking them - before that it was completely out of control). Typically they get downloaded in the order of thousands before detection. And this is only the official store, not the wild third party sources available for Android which contain _no safeguards whatsoever_. It is estimated that several thousands of Android users get infected every week.
For iOS there is 1 (one) known malware that slipped past the check - and even that was a very low profile program that most likely nobody even downloaded. In addition to that iOS6 contains a much higher level of control for application rights.
The writer of the Cnet article doesn't even know what operating system a Mac uses - he confuses iOS and OSX together. Or the fact that there is no flash support in iOS. And for you it seems that any article containing words 'apple' and 'bad' are worth posting :)
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Some apps I have on my tablet are as follows...
Firefox for android
Angry Birds (all 3 versions)
I also have Eset for mobile devices
I can't remember what I have for my pictures but will post when I find out,
YouTube app
NewEgg app
And a couple more I can't remember.
LawnDart
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When you wipe out the saliva from the screen you may notice that Android (play) store has around 15% of applications removed regularly for containing malware (that is, after they started checking them - before that it was completely out of control). Typically they get downloaded in the order of thousands before detection. And this is only the official store, not the wild third party sources available for Android which contain _no safeguards whatsoever_. It is estimated that several thousands of Android users get infected every week.
For iOS there is 1 (one) known malware that slipped past the check - and even that was a very low profile program that most likely nobody even downloaded. In addition to that iOS6 contains a much higher level of control for application rights.
The writer of the Cnet article doesn't even know what operating system a Mac uses - he confuses iOS and OSX together. Or the fact that there is no flash support in iOS. And for you it seems that any article containing words 'apple' and 'bad' are worth posting :)
Apple's own detection system for the app store has had work arounds. Apple is good at ignoring faults in it's system. They seem to be able to will their users to do the same.
My daughter is wanting a new phone. She has one that runs android now. She wants the Galaxy S III. I stopped by to check one out last night. Looks like a nice phone with great features. She will get one this weekend.
Heck I may replace my HTC Inspire with one also. :D
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I own a Toshiba Thrive 32gig tablet. The selling point, for me, was the availability of external ports.
I may be wrong, but the iPad doesn't offer external ports such as hdmi, USB, correct?
Not to forget the difference in price. My year old Thrive cost $475 off the shelf and the iPad was over $700.
Rooting is almost a given as there is bloatware on every brand.
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Apple's own detection system for the app store has had work arounds. Apple is good at ignoring faults in it's system. They seem to be able to will their users to do the same.
My daughter is wanting a new phone. She has one that runs android now. She wants the Galaxy S III. I stopped by to check one out last night. Looks like a nice phone with great features. She will get one this weekend.
Heck I may replace my HTC Inspire with one also. :D
Heheh do as you wish. I wouldn't hold a phone account in the greatest mobile malware magnet known to man. My kids both have Android phones - but that's only because they have prepaid accounts. The most I can ever be ripped off of is around 20 bucks.
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Heheh do as you wish. I wouldn't hold a phone account in the greatest mobile malware magnet known to man. My kids both have Android phones - but that's only because they have prepaid accounts. The most I can ever be ripped off of is around 20 bucks.
isnt it in the best interest of companies that make security products to exaggerate how bad the situation is, in order to make you buy their product?
semp
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isnt it in the best interest of companies that make security products to exaggerate how bad the situation is, in order to make you buy their product?
semp
That is also true. But as far as mobile phones go, risks are pretty high. One rootkit that silently calls Congo at 1000 bucks an hour from your phone can rack up a personal bankrupcy in no time. And the phone companies _will_ sue to get their money.
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That is also true. But as far as mobile phones go, risks are pretty high. One rootkit that silently calls Congo at 1000 bucks an hour from your phone can rack up a personal bankrupcy in no time. And the phone companies _will_ sue to get their money.
I think you skipped a few posts in this thread.
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You can't download anything to iOS unless it's checked and verified by Apple,
LOL rubbish.
Essential Android apps for me:
Flipboard
Google Currents
Touchdown (essentially Outlook for Android)
Plex (I have a Plex Media Server)
Google +
Mortplayer Audio Book Player
MX Player
ES File Explorer
Great Little War Game
Make sure you learn how to use the desktop widgets and shortcuts properly, and Google Now. We also use Latitude quite a bit.
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If you travel often:
Tripit (Trip planning)
FlightView (Neat app to watch flights come and go, check status of your flight)
WikiTude
Evernote (to many neat things to discuss here)
Yelp
Open Table
Play Movies
My other "Must Haves" on my Asus Transformer Prime are for photography:
PicsPlay
Photoshop Express
Movie Studio
Vimeo mobile
Picasa Web Albums mobile
Other junk:
Kindle
Polaris Office
Pdnet Tablet
Foxfi
I also connect to my Verizon unlimited data plan (grandfathered) via bluetooth using Pdnet Tablet for the tablet and FoxFi for the phone. Neither need rooting, you just download Foxfi and follow the instructions, Viola! You can access the net from anywhere you have a good signal on your cellphone without having to have a 2nd data plan. :banana:
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LOL rubbish.
Essential Android apps for me:
Flipboard
Google Currents
Touchdown (essentially Outlook for Android)
Plex (I have a Plex Media Server)
Google +
Mortplayer Audio Book Player
MX Player
ES File Explorer
Great Little War Game
Make sure you learn how to use the desktop widgets and shortcuts properly, and Google Now. We also use Latitude quite a bit.
It's not rubbish. Now I'm sure you can explain how exactly it is rubbish mr blind belief in antiviruses :)
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It's not rubbish. Now I'm sure you can explain how exactly it is rubbish mr blind belief in antiviruses :)
so the iphones cant get malware? you act like the iphone is virus/malware proof. I have the rezound and it is rooted with custom rom. only reason to root it was to get rid of the stupid apps like facebook that i dont use. also to be able to tether.
the iphone/android thing is the same as the saitek/ch joystick arguments. which one is better? it depends on what you do with it.
I value your opinion but you are wrong in a statement that I will get malware just because I have an android phone. I do all my banking on it and not afraid to do it. I think it is superior to the iphone as I had one before. but that is just my opinion, you have yours and that is that :salute.
semp
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Ripley's an Apple fan boi!
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so the iphones cant get malware? you act like the iphone is virus/malware proof. I have the rezound and it is rooted with custom rom. only reason to root it was to get rid of the stupid apps like facebook that i dont use. also to be able to tether.
the iphone/android thing is the same as the saitek/ch joystick arguments. which one is better? it depends on what you do with it.
I value your opinion but you are wrong in a statement that I will get malware just because I have an android phone. I do all my banking on it and not afraid to do it. I think it is superior to the iphone as I had one before. but that is just my opinion, you have yours and that is that :salute.
semp
You don't seem to grasp that Apple holds much tighter standards with what it accepts for distribution on the app store. Apple restricts the way apps can update themselves, too. Android play works completely differently. Anyone with 5 bucks and an e-mail account can publish any crap on Play and people will be able to download it untill Googles malware detection catches it (if it does). A typical malware gets downloaded in the order of thousads before it's removed from the play store. Apps also have a full freedom to download updates from unverified sources e.g. a legitimate looking app can just update a malicious payload at any given time and the play store won't even see it. If you do banking on an android phone you're a true darwin awards candidate as far as information technology goes! :salute
There's a fundamental difference in the method of operation there. Android is built on the principle of freedom - unfortunately it means freedom to exploit your mobile phone connection. It's exactly like issuing a carte blanche to criminals. Here, have my billing information - feel free to send me any charges (of any size) from automatically generated calls to malicious payphone numbers. 1000 dollars a minute? No problem. Let em rip!
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You don't seem to grasp that Apple holds much tighter standards with what it accepts for distribution on the app store. Apple restricts the way apps can update themselves, too. Android play works completely differently. Anyone with 5 bucks and an e-mail account can publish any crap on Play and people will be able to download it untill Googles malware detection catches it (if it does). A typical malware gets downloaded in the order of thousads before it's removed from the play store. Apps also have a full freedom to download updates from unverified sources e.g. a legitimate looking app can just update a malicious payload at any given time and the play store won't even see it. If you do banking on an android phone you're a true darwin awards candidate as far as information technology goes! :salute
There's a fundamental difference in the method of operation there. Android is built on the principle of freedom - unfortunately it means freedom to exploit your mobile phone connection. It's exactly like issuing a carte blanche to criminals. Here, have my billing information - feel free to send me any charges (of any size) from automatically generated calls to malicious payphone numbers. 1000 dollars a minute? No problem. Let em rip!
in that case then won't Linux have the same problem? Open source. drivers created by others. what is to stop somebody from doing the same thing?
semp
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in that case then won't Linux have the same problem? Open source. drivers created by others. what is to stop somebody from doing the same thing?
semp
No, linux sources are monitored and verified by the developers and they go through multiple review processes before they're accepted in the official repositories. It's fundamentally different from play store where anyone can upload their code for distribution. If linux goes mainstream some day and non-community content gets widely available through, say, Ubuntu store for example the same scenario is possible also there. For now linux devs are very security oriented though. The main difference with a cell phone and a linux desktop is of course the fact that a cell phone can be made to create thousands of dollars of charges the very second of infection happens as long as a sim card is activated and phone online - where on desktop more sophisticated url hijacking / man in the middle / keylogger exploit would be required. Since linux users tend to be much more tech savvy that kind of attack would be soon detected most likely - and most users would of course not even install code from an unverified source in the first place.
Android play store would be safe too if nobody downloaded 99% of the apps. :) Android will never be safe though since it's vulnerable to drive-by attacks in the form of reverse-tcp for example. This means that if you surf the web using your Android, any safe appearing website that has advertisements running can upload a payload to your phone. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/a-first-hacked-sites-with-android-drive-by-download-malware/11810
This kind of attacks with previously found privilege check bypass exploits mean that it's possible to get your phone rooted simply by visiting news.com that has ads playing.
In the case of Android the base linux is not the security problem. It's the phone operators backdoors they put in there windows style that enable the OS to be rooted remotely.
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No, linux sources are monitored and verified by the developers and they go through multiple review processes before they're accepted in the official repositories. It's fundamentally different from play store where anyone can upload their code for distribution. If linux goes mainstream some day and non-community content gets widely available through, say, Ubuntu store for example the same scenario is possible also there. For now linux devs are very security oriented though. The main difference with a cell phone and a linux desktop is of course the fact that a cell phone can be made to create thousands of dollars of charges the very second of infection happens as long as a sim card is activated and phone online - where on desktop more sophisticated url hijacking / man in the middle / keylogger exploit would be required. Since linux users tend to be much more tech savvy that kind of attack would be soon detected most likely - and most users would of course not even install code from an unverified source in the first place.
Android play store would be safe too if nobody downloaded 99% of the apps. :) Android will never be safe though since it's vulnerable to drive-by attacks in the form of reverse-tcp for example. This means that if you surf the web using your Android, any safe appearing website that has advertisements running can upload a payload to your phone. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/a-first-hacked-sites-with-android-drive-by-download-malware/11810
This kind of attacks with previously found privilege check bypass exploits mean that it's possible to get your phone rooted simply by visiting news.com that has ads playing.
In the case of Android the base linux is not the security problem. It's the phone operators backdoors they put in there windows style that enable the OS to be rooted remotely.
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but the reason android has been targeted lately is only due to the fact that there are more people using android phones, so they become more attractive to hackers. on the other hand the same thing is happening to linux where as more people are beginning to use it then it will become more attractive to hackers. which is what has happened to apple. apple has already acknowledged that their system can get virus/malware. linux has already gotten some and it will increase if it becomes more mainstream.
which comes back to the original question. the only person that can keep your information secure is yourself. I have yet to get a virus on my android phone.. nor have I heard of anybody that got malware that made thousands of calls costing hundred of dollars. and I know a lot of people that have android phones. my department has about 30 people about 20 have android phones with about 15 rooted, 2 or 3 guys still have iphones and rest have just a regular cellphones. none of us has ever gotten a virus/malware.
in our company with about 900 employes just based on what I have seen I would say most use android phones over iphones. and to be honest most have switched from iphones to android. but regardless we still have about 1/3 using just regular phones with just basic functions like text. of those that have android phones the only time I have ever heard anybody getting malware was from my brother. he downloaded some app a couple of years ago. it did make some calls but he was promptly refunded by verizon for all the unauthorized messages/calls cant remember which one.
semp
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but the reason android has been targeted lately is only due to the fact that there are more people using android phones, so they become more attractive to hackers. on the other hand the same thing is happening to linux where as more people are beginning to use it then it will become more attractive to hackers. which is what has happened to apple. apple has already acknowledged that their system can get virus/malware. linux has already gotten some and it will increase if it becomes more mainstream.
which comes back to the original question. the only person that can keep your information secure is yourself. I have yet to get a virus on my android phone.. nor have I heard of anybody that got malware that made thousands of calls costing hundred of dollars. and I know a lot of people that have android phones. my department has about 30 people about 20 have android phones with about 15 rooted, 2 or 3 guys still have iphones and rest have just a regular cellphones. none of us has ever gotten a virus/malware.
in our company with about 900 employes just based on what I have seen I would say most use android phones over iphones. and to be honest most have switched from iphones to android. but regardless we still have about 1/3 using just regular phones with just basic functions like text. of those that have android phones the only time I have ever heard anybody getting malware was from my brother. he downloaded some app a couple of years ago. it did make some calls but he was promptly refunded by verizon for all the unauthorized messages/calls cant remember which one.
semp
So are you saying car crashes never happen since none of your acquaintances had one recently? The fact remains that Android as a platform is the riskyest platform currently to be on. The whole business model leaves it open for exploits and it's only a matter of time before you also start running into them. Android is only popular because it really has no reasonably priced competition in the mobile market - that and general consumers do not know enough to care about security.
On a prepaid connection Android is just fine as long as you don't do any banking on it. Banking on an android phone is nearly as foolhardy as is on a used windows computer :)
You can't compare linux to android directly because content distribution method is totally different there AND linux lacks operator backdoors which are rampant in Android devices. Backdoors enable privilege escalations without user verification and that makes Android as poor in security as any old windows.
Just two weeks ago my son got a nasty malware on his computer despite having up to date Microsoft Security Essentials running on it. All that was needed was his friend sending a download link to minecraft. Click-click kaboom.
Now his ears are still red from the lecture and I took away his right to install stuff. Luckily I had just imaged the computer fresh after installing the OCZ Revodrive III so recovery was relatively painless.
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Nice to see the BBS still take the same old detours...
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So are you saying car crashes never happen since none of your acquaintances had one recently? The fact remains that Android as a platform is the riskyest platform currently to be on. The whole business model leaves it open for exploits and it's only a matter of time before you also start running into them. Android is only popular because it really has no reasonably priced competition in the mobile market - that and general consumers do not know enough to care about security.
On a prepaid connection Android is just fine as long as you don't do any banking on it. Banking on an android phone is nearly as foolhardy as is on a used windows computer :)
You can't compare linux to android directly because content distribution method is totally different there AND linux lacks operator backdoors which are rampant in Android devices. Backdoors enable privilege escalations without user verification and that makes Android as poor in security as any old windows.
Just two weeks ago my son got a nasty malware on his computer despite having up to date Microsoft Security Essentials running on it. All that was needed was his friend sending a download link to minecraft. Click-click kaboom.
Now his ears are still red from the lecture and I took away his right to install stuff. Luckily I had just imaged the computer fresh after installing the OCZ Revodrive III so recovery was relatively painless.
boss, apple and linux can have malware just as easy as windows. the only reason they have less is because they arent as big players as windows. once they increase their presences they will also be targeted.
and the reason apple has a tighter control on their app market is only due to control. they love to control what people do and has nothing to do with what is better or safer for the consumer.
semp
semp
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I've never had malware or viruses and I've been using android products forever now.
Android is no better or worse then Apple, just depends how well you make sure you have security on it.
As for Windows, same thing - I don't recall the last time I had a virus, I would wild guess over 3 years ago.
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It's not rubbish. Now I'm sure you can explain how exactly it is rubbish mr blind belief in antiviruses :)
Apple apps have been found that sideload content. There's been stuff that even sideloads advertising. Both iOS and Android are very exposed, the different is with android you can get protection. In all hacking competitions iOS falls very quickly, usually via Safari.
http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/21936/proofofconcept-malware-sneaked-onto-apple-itunes-developer-given-the-axe
According to the Forbes newswire, at the SysCan conference in Taiwan next week, Miller will present a proven methodology that exploits a flaw in Apple’s restrictions on code signing on iOS devices – the security measure that allows only Apple-approved commands to run in an iPhone or iPad’s memory.
“Using his method – and Miller has already planted a sleeper app in Apple’s [iTunes] app store to demonstrate the trick – an app can phone home to a remote computer that downloads new unapproved commands onto the device and executes them at will, including stealing the user’s photos, reading contacts, making the phone vibrate or play sounds, or otherwise repurposing normal iOS app functions for malicious ends”, notes the newswire.
“Now you could have a program in the App Store like Angry Birds that can run new code on your phone that Apple never had a chance to check”, he says. “With this bug, you can’t be assured of anything you download from the App Store behaving nicely.”
Miller has posted a YouTube video demonstrating the security vulnerability.
ripley, face it - you're a one-eyed fan boy. No matter what I or anyone else says you will never listen. I work in the security field, I've assessed both android and iphone apps for use within government (i.e. professional, paid for work) - I've seen who's behind the curtain. And tbh the underlying OS is much of a muchness between the two.
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Apple apps have been found that sideload content. There's been stuff that even sideloads advertising. Both iOS and Android are very exposed, the different is with android you can get protection. In all hacking competitions iOS falls very quickly, usually via Safari.
http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/21936/proofofconcept-malware-sneaked-onto-apple-itunes-developer-given-the-axe
ripley, face it - you're a one-eyed fan boy. No matter what I or anyone else says you will never listen. I work in the security field, I've assessed both android and iphone apps for use within government (i.e. professional, paid for work) - I've seen who's behind the curtain. And tbh the underlying OS is much of a muchness between the two.
You fail to grasp that nobody has direct access to the app store so any hacking attempt has first to pass Apple content control before even having a chance of getting to the end user :) Android play has open barn doors for attacks, literally.
Vulcan, face it - you're working in the field of security and place way too much trust in measures that happen in the wrong end - defence. The attacker is always one step ahead so the only right way is to prevent the attack from happening in the first place. You may notice that once this proof of concept was published, the developer was axed immediately and most likely check routines for approved content were improved. With play store you can publish a hack, then publish another one 5 minutes later with a different fake account (unlimited e-mails available). And for each new hack typically thousands of users download it through play before it's detected and removed. Not a pretty picture :)
What you're trying to say essentially that it's no better to hide behind a concrete wall dodging random ricochets instead of standing in the open machine gunned, but wearing a flak jacket :)
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You fail to grasp that nobody has direct access to the app store so any hacking attempt has first to pass Apple content control before even having a chance of getting to the end user
Yet it has been achieved. Also worth noting most iOS attacks focus on Safari, not the app store http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/09/19/iphone-4s-pwn2own/ - it's the same year after year.
I also work with a bunch of mac developers, iOS experts (ie apple certified engineers) who pretty much agree. It does really matter if there is 10x as much malware on android as there is on iOS, all it takes is one to be successful. Same thing happened with the OS X malware and the massive botnet that generated.
You're kind of missing the point entirely, but that's what you'll always do. You're completely blinded with fanboism, No matter, your opinion is fairly worthless in the greater scheme, android has market share dominance in both smartphones and tablets now :) .
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I agree with Vulcan, both on his opinion of security and the opinion of Ripley.
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Yet it has been achieved. Also worth noting most iOS attacks focus on Safari, not the app store http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/09/19/iphone-4s-pwn2own/ - it's the same year after year.
I also work with a bunch of mac developers, iOS experts (ie apple certified engineers) who pretty much agree. It does really matter if there is 10x as much malware on android as there is on iOS, all it takes is one to be successful. Same thing happened with the OS X malware and the massive botnet that generated.
You're kind of missing the point entirely, but that's what you'll always do. You're completely blinded with fanboism, No matter, your opinion is fairly worthless in the greater scheme, android has market share dominance in both smartphones and tablets now :) .
LOL! You're so badly lost in this discussion that you have to resort in personal attacks. Ad hominem.
1st of all Apple has the track records to prove it - despite being the most popular at times, the iPhone is THE most secure phone at the moment. Android, Symbian and blackberry have all had a multitude of problems. Even your own article stated "Users of Apple’s iPhone and other iOS devices enjoy a fairly high level of security. In the past five years, the platform has only seen a handful of malware scares, and MIT says it recently crossed a “significant” threshold in security."
2nd the OSX botnet was far from massive lol! It contained a few thousands of machines where there are currently active windows botnets that contain multiple millions of computers. Yeah, running an antivirus. The only reason the OSX botnet made headlines was it was a first on OSX - not because it was anything special as far as computers go.
3rd nobody is forced to use Safari on an iPhone. And even then the security by obscurity point stands - what are your chances of ever browsing to a dangerous website (no, an iPhone threatening website) with your phone of all things? Most likely if someone is going to attack you, it's going to be through an app. There is one exception to the rule though and it's the abomination called 'the social media' where malware links spread like wildfire.
What exactly is your logic behind 'it doesnt matter how much malware there is'? If one app in a million contains a harmful element (that slipped past content checks) chances are you can use apps for the rest of your life without ever encountering one. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW SUCCESFUL THAT ONE APP IS. Someone just won 300 millions in lottery. Are you going to place an order for a new jet already? :D If 15-30% of any new app (such as is in Android play store) contains malware, chances are pretty high that you'll end up infected sooner than later. It does not matter how crappily made that app is - if it reaches enough people even ones that do not know how to use operator backdoors will find enough users who give apps wide permissions without even thinking about it. This is also exactly where the danger behind places like Facebook lie - they're a concentrated distribution method that target users that are proven prone to influences and social engineering i.e. they use Facebook.
Apple app store way which requires code signing to run apps on devices make any attacks really, really that much harder to achieve in a large scale. Devs have to wait from days to weeks to get their app approved for distribution opposed to Play store cash in - chi ching you're done.
Your whole industry is based on stupidity, really. Antivirus companies are making false promises about 'securing' the computers and people keep believing in these lies despite the indisputable fact that infections happen all the time and the infected computers run av:s 99% of the time. Because people believe in the false sense of security provided by antiviruses, no change in computer using habits is done and any old attack vector remains open for malware and virusmakers. And this is of course what the AV companies exactly want. If people would all of the sudden start using their computers responsibly their whole business would collapse the same night.
Prevention = good, Defence = bad
Analogies: Safe sex = good, Abortion, AIDS medication, Antibiotics = bad. Staying out of trouble = good, flak jacket, armoured car, bulletproof glass = bad. Using a secure OS and content distribution methods = good, Antivirus, P2P, Warez, malwarescanners = bad
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Apple app store way which requires code signing to run apps on devices make any attacks really, really that much harder to achieve in a large scale. Devs have to wait from days to weeks to get their app approved for distribution opposed to Play store cash in - chi ching you're done.
but ripley if I understand correctly the story says that the guy was able to post an app in the app store. so I guess all the checking apple did wasnt that great after all. so if he was able to add it and was approved just to prove that it can be done, is it possible that there may other apps out there on the app store that havent been found?
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but ripley if I understand correctly the story says that the guy was able to post an app in the app store. so I guess all the checking apple did wasnt that great after all. so if he was able to add it and was approved just to prove that it can be done, is it possible that there may other apps out there on the app store that havent been found?
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The story says that developer was axed permanently from future access to the app store. And I'm sure in the future review methods are improved to check for this kind of vulnerability also. You have to realize that Apple holds 1 strike you're out policy where on Android play you can create unlimited amounts of developer accounts and spam attacks at your hearts will. That is why iOS has seen so few attacks in the practise - not that people haven't tried. Trust me, they have.
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You don't seem to grasp that Apple holds much tighter standards with what it accepts for distribution on the app store. Apple restricts the way apps can update themselves, too. Android play works completely differently. Anyone with 5 bucks and an e-mail account can publish any crap on Play and people will be able to download it untill Googles malware detection catches it (if it does). A typical malware gets downloaded in the order of thousads before it's removed from the play store. Apps also have a full freedom to download updates from unverified sources e.g. a legitimate looking app can just update a malicious payload at any given time and the play store won't even see it. If you do banking on an android phone you're a true darwin awards candidate as far as information technology goes! :salute
There's a fundamental difference in the method of operation there. Android is built on the principle of freedom - unfortunately it means freedom to exploit your mobile phone connection. It's exactly like issuing a carte blanche to criminals. Here, have my billing information - feel free to send me any charges (of any size) from automatically generated calls to malicious payphone numbers. 1000 dollars a minute? No problem. Let em rip!
I'll go along with you that most apple viruses are self induced. There are some outsider that find holes in it too though.
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I'll go along with you that most apple viruses are self induced. There are some outsider that find holes in it too though.
Name one example of self induced Apple virus... :lol
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2nd the OSX botnet was far from massive lol! It contained a few thousands of machines where there are currently active windows botnets that contain multiple millions of computers. Yeah, running an antivirus. The only reason the OSX botnet made headlines was it was a first on OSX - not because it was anything special as far as computers go.
3rd nobody is forced to use Safari on an iPhone. And even then the security by obscurity point stands - what are your chances of ever browsing to a dangerous website (no, an iPhone threatening website) with your phone of all things? Most likely if someone is going to attack you, it's going to be through an app. There is one exception to the rule though and it's the abomination called 'the social media' where malware links spread like wildfire.
Funny I remember the botnet counting being around the 600000 machine mark.
How do you change the default browser in iOS? Yes I know you can install other browsers, but how do you change the DEFAULT browser :)
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Can't we all just get along?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/19/tech/mobile/apple-samsung-peace-treaty/index.html?hpt=hp_bn5 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/19/tech/mobile/apple-samsung-peace-treaty/index.html?hpt=hp_bn5)
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The story says that developer was axed permanently from future access to the app store. And I'm sure in the future review methods are improved to check for this kind of vulnerability also. You have to realize that Apple holds 1 strike you're out policy where on Android play you can create unlimited amounts of developer accounts and spam attacks at your hearts will. That is why iOS has seen so few attacks in the practise - not that people haven't tried. Trust me, they have.
he wasnt kicked out of the app store because apple found out about it. it was because he told them. which proves that apple's store is not as secure as you think. which bring back the "if he did it" then what makes you think that others haven done it yet and havent been found. and what makes you think those who get axed from the apple store dont come back with a friend's or relative's id, hell they can come back with a stolen identity. after all if you were doing something illegal, would you give your own information to apple?
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It isn't necessarily 3-party devs that you have to worry about: http://gcn.com/articles/2012/03/15/ecg-app-makers-stealing-personal-info.aspx
Apple and Google both probably have more info on you than you'd tell your own mother. But boy, do they get annoyed when anyone cuts in on the profit margin :D
All the big names have a dog in the fight. This iPhone vs Android fuss is useless until you get the corps on a leash.
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he wasnt kicked out of the app store because apple found out about it. it was because he told them. which proves that apple's store is not as secure as you think. which bring back the "if he did it" then what makes you think that others haven done it yet and havent been found. and what makes you think those who get axed from the apple store dont come back with a friend's or relative's id, hell they can come back with a stolen identity. after all if you were doing something illegal, would you give your own information to apple?
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No he was kicked out because he sneaked a malicious app in the store, obviously. You can not dispute the fact that Apples content control has kept the iOS platform the most secure platform of all smartphones. Period.
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Funny I remember the botnet counting being around the 600000 machine mark.
How do you change the default browser in iOS? Yes I know you can install other browsers, but how do you change the DEFAULT browser :)
You remember right, it was around that mark. And it's absolutely miniscule compared to windows botnets that run as we speak :) Furthermore the only reason those people ended up as part of the botnet was that they downloaded warez. It's not like with windows where all you need to do is browse a website without noscript and you're pretty soon infected.
The whole browser issue is completely pointless - there are no 'in the wild' browser attacks that target iOS platform as we speak, they've only been showcased in events like pwn2own and then released for Apple to be fixed. There ARE however multiple 'in the wild' browser, reverse tcp, flash etc. based attacks for the droid not even mentioning the thousands of new malicious apps that are released to the play store and removed only after thousands of users per app have already been infected. Those who enabled content outside play store are completely left dry.
These are published indisputable facts that you cannot change even if you would like to.
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No he was kicked out because he sneaked a malicious app in the store, obviously. You can not dispute the fact that Apples content control has kept the iOS platform the most secure platform of all smartphones. Period.
wrong the apple store didnt know abut til till he mentioned it. and even if he hadn't mention it, it also means the apple store doesn't catch everybody that adds a malicious app in the store. which still means the apple store can ahve apps that arent how should i say "bad".
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Malware gets removed quickly from Android's appstore as well. Stop wording your attacks in a way trying to say otherwise. And no, you can be banned from releasing apps on the Android Market. Although, if you assume another identity, and release under that different name, I'm sure you could sneak through. But that would work on the Apple store as well if you were previously banned.
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wrong the apple store didnt know abut til till he mentioned it. and even if he hadn't mention it, it also means the apple store doesn't catch everybody that adds a malicious app in the store. which still means the apple store can ahve apps that arent how should i say "bad".
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Who said they knew about it? If he just told Apple about it without distributing it he would not get banned for life. But he did and got banned. And same fate is with others who try and inevitably get caught. The consequences for getting caught hacking Android are the trouble of making a new e-mail address and paying 15 bucks. Which do you think is safer? :D
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Malware gets removed quickly from Android's appstore as well. Stop wording your attacks in a way trying to say otherwise.
O rly? :noid
http://c4universe.com/blog/2012/02/09/largest-mobile-malware-infection-ever-hits-android-devices/ (http://c4universe.com/blog/2012/02/09/largest-mobile-malware-infection-ever-hits-android-devices/)
Many Android users consider the heavily moderated, regulated Apple iTunes App store to be one of the biggest downsides to the iPhone and the iPad. These same users surely enjoy the fact that while they have less apps available to them, they have different apps available for their devices from a wide variety of sources.
This lack of regulation is popular, but it leaves Android owners open to an unwanted consequence. The app freedom has resulted in a major issue for Android owners, malware. A recent incident finds many Android smartphones and tablets afflicted with malicious codes in numbers that equal a small epidemic.
The latest – Android.Counterclank – has become a huge issue. Just small bits of code, this micro malware is one of the largest mobile malware infections ever.
Once the malware was discovered they have mostly been removed from the Android Marketplace, but prior to removal some were available for over a month. This isn’t to say that this parasite couldn’t be downloaded elsewhere, but the odds are now diminished.
When this parasite is on a device, it can receive remote commands without the user’s knowledge. It will steal information from the infected phone or tablet, with estimates indicating 1 to 5 million devices affected.
I'm sorry folks but the _facts_ are heavily stacked against you and favor me.
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And yet Android grows its userbase more and more everyday. Why does that personally offend you? It's a safe productive OS, just like iOS. Choices are good. Live with it nutball
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there are no 'in the wild' browser attacks that target iOS platform as we speak, they've only been showcased in events like pwn2own and then released for Apple to be fixed. There ARE however multiple 'in the wild' browser, reverse tcp, flash etc. based attacks for the droid
source?
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Ripley has far too much opinion to be an objective source.
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And yet Android grows its userbase more and more everyday. Why does that personally offend you? It's a safe productive OS, just like iOS. Choices are good. Live with it nutball
Ehh? Windows userbase grows constantly despite being what it is. Your point was again?
Noir: How bout using Google yourself and educating yourself a little? Or do you need instructions on how to perform a search? :rofl teh best keapt secret in teh worled (https://www.google.fi/search?q=android+drive+by+attack+browser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:us:official&client=firefox-a)
Delirium: It's exactly the opposite. You're all hot air with no proof - I can provide links.
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O rly? :noid
http://c4universe.com/blog/2012/02/09/largest-mobile-malware-infection-ever-hits-android-devices/ (http://c4universe.com/blog/2012/02/09/largest-mobile-malware-infection-ever-hits-android-devices/)
I'm sorry folks but the _facts_ are heavily stacked against you and favor me.
Sorry, but Apple spends a lot of money and energy making sure you do not get the facts, if the facts present Apple in a negative light. The only one 'stacking' the facts is Apple. You just happen to buy into it, which is what Apple wants you to do.
Personally, I could care less. Apple is just another computer company who is very good at marketing their product.
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Noir: How bout using Google yourself and educating yourself a little? Or do you need instructions on how to perform a search? :rofl teh best keapt secret in teh worled (https://www.google.fi/search?q=android+drive+by+attack+browser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:us:official&client=firefox-a)
Apple uses the profits from their apps to fund expeditions to whipe out all the endangered species on the planet and resurrect the Nazi party. Don't believe me? Go google the proof yourself!
See? I can do it too.
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Ehh? Windows userbase grows constantly despite being what it is. Your point was again?
Noir: How bout using Google yourself and educating yourself a little? Or do you need instructions on how to perform a search? :rofl teh best keapt secret in teh worled (https://www.google.fi/search?q=android+drive+by+attack+browser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:us:official&client=firefox-a)
Delirium: It's exactly the opposite. You're all hot air with no proof - I can provide links.
Don't worry, even as Android continues to grow, your Apple shares will be safe. Choose whatever OS you want to use. Both are fine choices. I am into baking my own ROMs and love the superior hardware choices Android phones give me. If you aren't into customization and want a plain phone that just works, choose iOS. What's the big deal? Your cell phone isn't going to kill you.
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I am awaiting a barrage of links "proving" my Android phone can kill my family by the way
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Sorry, but Apple spends a lot of money and energy making sure you do not get the facts, if the facts present Apple in a negative light. The only one 'stacking' the facts is Apple. You just happen to buy into it, which is what Apple wants you to do.
Personally, I could care less. Apple is just another computer company who is very good at marketing their product.
Hmm, are you saying Apple is bribing all the tech sites and all the bloggers + other individuals so that the truth about horrible infections never come to air? :)
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Apple uses the profits from their apps to fund expeditions to whipe out all the endangered species on the planet and resurrect the Nazi party. Don't believe me? Go google the proof yourself!
See? I can do it too.
See? You couldn't provide a link, I did. Your turn.
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I am awaiting a barrage of links "proving" my Android phone can kill my family by the way
It may not kill your family but if you're prepared to pay 10k+ dollar phone charges for a little malware calling goodness it's up to you :)
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See? You couldn't provide a link, I did. Your turn.
http://www.redmondpie.com/this-mobile-spyware-can-remotely-take-complete-control-over-your-ios-or-android-device/
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It may not kill your family but if you're prepared to pay 10k+ dollar phone charges for a little malware calling goodness it's up to you :)
That cannot happen unless you allow the app to. When you download an app from the market, or even sideload an app from an off market source, you are (in Android) presented with a list of permissions the app requests. So if you download a wallpaper that requests permissions to use the phone, that's your own fault. Not only that, but malware is quickly removed from the Market once found.
I simply have an app on my phone that monitors everything for me, I can set global settings to prevent any app from using any services I don't want it to. But I never have it enabled as since the very first Google phone, I have never had any problems with malware at all.
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That cannot happen unless you allow the app to.
Typical android user response that is so far off the truth it's not even funny. Mobile phone carriers have installed backdoors to droid phones which enable malware makers to bypass every single question during the install.
91% of all mobile threats affect Android devices (http://www.besttechie.com/2012/10/02/android-security-threats/) 91% folks!
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Android-LeNa-Malware-Root-Access-Lookout-Security,news-14726.html (http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Android-LeNa-Malware-Root-Access-Lookout-Security,news-14726.html) new variant of the Legacy Native (LeNa) malware has been spotted. It uses the GingerBreak exploit to gain root permissions of a device using Android 2.3.3 or below without having to ask user permission.
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Typical android user response that is so far off the truth it's not even funny. Mobile phone carriers have installed backdoors to droid phones which enable malware makers to bypass every single question during the install.
91% of all mobile threats affect Android devices (http://www.besttechie.com/2012/10/02/android-security-threats/) 91% folks!
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Android-LeNa-Malware-Root-Access-Lookout-Security,news-14726.html (http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Android-LeNa-Malware-Root-Access-Lookout-Security,news-14726.html)
That method physically cannot work on my phone, my last phone, or the phone before that, as the Android release after Gingerbreak was released was patched, which was literally years ago. Also, gaining root access is not a carrier backdoor. It's called root access and is native to Linux, it's the equivalent of Administrator in Windows. I have a nice little app called, "Superuser" that comes preinstalled with any Rom or Rooting method, infact, without the Superuser app, your phone doesn't have root permissions. There is no malware in existence that can bypass asking me for permission for root access. Sorry buddy. I know it pains you, keep up the conversation, we can work through your blind hatred together brother.
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By the way, only select phones could even be rooted with the Gingerbreak method. There's a reason that malware never took off beyond proof of concept.
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And for your average less tech-inclined Android user, the only way to download an App that had that exploit, was to install from an off-market source and sideload the app. Which by default is disabled in Android. So the only way to have infected yourself with that would be:
Dig through pages of developer options in Android's settings, enable installing of APKs from non-market sources. Then you would have to download the infected app from a private website with no affiliation to Google, ignore the permissions the app requested upon installing, and happen to have a phone and software compatible with Gingerbreak (the Gingerbreak root method never even worked on my Droid 1 anyway, it always failed and gave me boot loops).
If you managed to fit all that criteria, you deserved bad things to happen to you.
Next?
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Hmm, are you saying Apple is bribing all the tech sites and all the bloggers + other individuals so that the truth about horrible infections never come to air? :)
No, they do not need to bribe. Everyone in the tech industry knows if you say anything negative about an Apple product, Apple will sue you. The simple threat of that happening keeps quite a bit of information out of the press. What lunatic would risk losing his/her business over some article?
If you do not know that about Apple, what rock have you been living under?
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That method physically cannot work on my phone, my last phone, or the phone before that, as the Android release after Gingerbreak was released was patched, which was literally years ago. Also, gaining root access is not a carrier backdoor. It's called root access and is native to Linux, it's the equivalent of Administrator in Windows. I have a nice little app called, "Superuser" that comes preinstalled with any Rom or Rooting method, infact, without the Superuser app, your phone doesn't have root permissions. There is no malware in existence that can bypass asking me for permission for root access. Sorry buddy. I know it pains you, keep up the conversation, we can work through your blind hatred together brother.
Sorry bud but the carrier backdoors are an entirely separate way of gaining root access to Android. I just couldn't find the articles in 2 minutes - but I remember reading about them. Thanks for clearing that thing about linux and root access by the way. It's all new to me, been using linux only since 1998. :rolleyes:
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And for your average less tech-inclined Android user, the only way to download an App that had that exploit, was to install from an off-market source and sideload the app. Which by default is disabled in Android. So the only way to have infected yourself with that would be:
Dig through pages of developer options in Android's settings, enable installing of APKs from non-market sources. Then you would have to download the infected app from a private website with no affiliation to Google, ignore the permissions the app requested upon installing, and happen to have a phone and software compatible with Gingerbreak (the Gingerbreak root method never even worked on my Droid 1 anyway, it always failed and gave me boot loops).
If you managed to fit all that criteria, you deserved bad things to happen to you.
Next?
91% of all mobile malware affects Android. What more do you need? Having an Android phone with a subscription service is literally a ticking timebomb in your pocket. Which is why my kids will never get anything but a prepaid connection to their droids.
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91% of all mobile malware affects Android. What more do you need? Having an Android phone with a subscription service is literally a ticking timebomb in your pocket. Which is why my kids will never get anything but a prepaid connection to their droids.
91% of how many malware applications?
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Sorry bud but the carrier backdoors are an entirely separate way of gaining root access to Android. I just couldn't find the articles in 2 minutes - but I remember reading about them. Thanks for clearing that thing about linux and root access by the way. It's all new to me, been using linux only since 1998. :rolleyes:
You're wrong yet again. My carrier (Verizon) has no method available to root my phone over the air. Next? Without ADB access, they wouldn't even be able to unlock my bootloader.
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Having an Android phone with a subscription service is literally a ticking timebomb in your pocket.
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91% of how many malware applications?
All.
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I think he uses "literally" a little too "liberally."
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All.
So how many is all? Give me a number.
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You're wrong yet again. My carrier (Verizon) has no method available to root my phone over the air. Next? Without ADB access, they wouldn't even be able to unlock my bootloader.
Oh right, you're perfectly safe. You think alike with the millions of users who already got malware on their phones :) But I don't really care...
I've made my point and proven it to boot.
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So how many is all? Give me a number.
Google it if you're interested.
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I did a little research on your carrier backdoor claim. The reason you can't find the article is most likely because you didn't want to explain what it was. The carrier backdoor root method applies to Chinese phone maker ZTE. It is the only case of carrier backdoor rooting, and the only reason it works is because ZTE has it installed on their phones. I've never even heard of ZTE phones. So, now admit that carriers have no backdoor root method, or at the least, stop spouting nonsense that has no basis in truth
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Google it if you're interested.
You're the one who said "provide me proof."
So, provide me detailed figures that back up your 91% claim. And no, the same old link that states that figure, that says both "91% of NEW malware infects Android phones," and at the same time says "91% of ALL malware infects Android phones" is not going to suffice as proof. Even that source doesn't have any idea what they're actually saying. Friends of yours?
See? You couldn't provide a link, I did. Your turn.
http://www.redmondpie.com/this-mobile-spyware-can-remotely-take-complete-control-over-your-ios-or-android-device/
It's your turn anyway
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http://www.besttechie.com/2012/10/02/android-security-threats/
that 91% article was written by GUEST AUTHOR, uses contradictory and unclear statements...I also liked the last phrase
This was a guest post by SaaSCanada, a site that helps Canadian consumers in selecting the most robust and secure online backup services so that they can keep their personal information safe from loss or destruction.
So that article was posted by a private company how interesting.
Also if you click on the source article, its even more vague! http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/security/56208-beware-growth-in-android-malware-kaspersky/56208-beware-growth-in-android-malware-kaspersky?start=1
Kasperky, a security software developer, is telling us our security is at risk? How surprising.
Reminds me that apple is still in denial of their own security issues.
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Hey ripley, we still love you, even if you're....
(http://blogs.stthomas.edu/opusmagnum/files/2011/01/packers-dont-throw-in-the-towel1.jpeg)
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You're the one who said "provide me proof."
So, provide me detailed figures that back up your 91% claim. And no, the same old link that states that figure, that says both "91% of NEW malware infects Android phones," and at the same time says "91% of ALL malware infects Android phones" is not going to suffice as proof. Even that source doesn't have any idea what they're actually saying. Friends of yours?
It's your turn anyway
You're getting totally retarded here lol. What are you after? What exactly do you hope to achieve by getting a total number of mobile malware attacks? Are you contemplating if they exist or what? :rofl
If you don't believe me, maybe you believe your government? http://www.ic3.gov/media/2012/121012.aspx
Your link is about a proof of concept which never got past Apple content checks and is not present anywhere in the wild. Prove me wrong - have a nice day.
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You're getting totally retarded here lol. What are you after? What exactly do you hope to achieve by getting a total number of mobile malware attacks? Are you contemplating if they exist or what? :rofl
Your link is about a proof of concept which never got past Apple content checks and is not present anywhere in the wild. Prove me wrong - have a nice day.
The burden of proof is upon the person making outrageous claims.
The link is simply showing that both OS's are vulnerable to attack. iOS is not inherently safe. Neither is Android. That link "proves" the former statement. See how this works. We make a claim, and we provide proof to back it up.
Your link backs up my statement, it says "Smartphones." Not Android smartphones, not iOS smartphones, just Smartphones. All smartphones are vulnerable.
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The burden of proof is upon the person making outrageous claims.
Exactly, that's why you should prove your claim since no hard evidence is available to back it up. Prove it or be quiet.
iOS is vulnerable - but the app store distibution method provides a 'firewall' to the end users for app based attacks which are the majority of threats on smartphones.
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Exactly, that's why you should prove your claim since no hard evidence is available to back it up. Prove it or be quiet.
I haven't made any claims other than, mobile phone OS's are vulnerable to attack. I've already provided proof of that, and you helped me with your last link. So we've come to agreement, if you have a smartphone, be aware that nefarious individuals are plotting to steal your money and\or data. Regardless of what OS or phone you use.
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Exactly, that's why you should prove your claim since no hard evidence is available to back it up. Prove it or be quiet.
iOS is vulnerable - but the app store distibution method provides a 'firewall' to the end users for app based attacks which are the majority of threats on smartphones.
Since you added the last line, you should modify it once again to say both iOS's appstore, and Android's appstore provide a firewall to end users. Seeing as how Google actively monitors apps submitted and already accepted into their sandbox.
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I haven't made any claims other than, mobile phone OS's are vulnerable to attack. I've already provided proof of that, and you helped me with your last link. So we've come to agreement, if you have a smartphone, be aware that nefarious individuals are plotting to steal your money and\or data. Regardless of what OS or phone you use.
Ok, maybe I've been too hard on you. It honestly seems to me now that you're unable to grasp the whole root of the discussion. We're talking about attacks that are in the wild - happening as we speak. One has many, other has in practical terms speaking none.
I can provide you with links like this (http://www.androidauthority.com/dropdialer-premum-rate-sms-malware-android-100783/) all day - and you can provide me with black hat research proof of concept or pwn2own proof of concepts. :lol
Premium-rate SMS malware survived in Google Play for weeks
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Ok, maybe I've been too hard on you. It honestly seems to me now that you're unable to grasp the whole root of the discussion. We're talking about attacks that are in the wild - happening as we speak. One has many, other has in practical terms speaking none.
I can provide you with links like this (http://www.androidauthority.com/dropdialer-premum-rate-sms-malware-android-100783/) all day - and you can provide me with black hat research proof of concept or pwn2own proof of concepts. :lol
If you simply checked to see the app was requesting the ability to send SMS messages, you didn't have to install it. Without granting it specific rights to do so, it could not have done so. Also, that app is not in the Play Store.
From the article, "The key to remaining safe is to always check the permissions. The Activator package would have had to specifically ask for the permission to send SMS messages when it was installed. This should always be a warning to Android users. Games don’t need to send SMS messages, neither do any registration or activation apps that they subsequently try to install."
Next? Try this time to not bring up software that has been banned and removed from the marketplace, as you are simply proving that Google is very focused on removing malware from the market.
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If you simply checked to see the app was requesting the ability to send SMS messages, you didn't have to install it. Without granting it specific rights to do so, it could not have done so. Also, that app is not in the Play Store. Next?
Yeah close your ears and eyes, tell it to the thousands that installed this malware. You're a waste of time, sadly.
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Yeah close your ears and eyes, tell it to the thousands that installed this malware. You're a waste of time, sadly.
Resorting to personal attacks now? I thought you were against that?
http://gizmodo.com/5885321/how-iphone-apps-steal-your-contact-data-and-why-you-cant-stop-it (http://gizmodo.com/5885321/how-iphone-apps-steal-your-contact-data-and-why-you-cant-stop-it)
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Resorting to personal attacks now? I thought you were against that?
http://gizmodo.com/5885321/how-iphone-apps-steal-your-contact-data-and-why-you-cant-stop-it (http://gizmodo.com/5885321/how-iphone-apps-steal-your-contact-data-and-why-you-cant-stop-it)
It's not a personal attack, just stating the obvious. Come back when you can find even one proof of actual iPhone malware making premium charge calls/SMS:es. Keep trolling :cool:
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It's not a personal attack, just stating the obvious. Come back when you can find even one proof of actual iPhone malware making premium charge calls/SMS:es. Keep trolling :cool:
No thanks. I'll stick to refuting every piece of bogus information you keep claiming about Android vs iOS.
You should be thanking Android, without them, you'd still be stuck on your tiny little iPhone's screen :)
You can thank us for your 6th row of icons.
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I've been sitting back and enjoying all the rhetoric from ripley. :rofl
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Ok I stand corrected, conclusive proof posted to me privately by warhed: :rofl
(http://imageshack.us/a/img41/2261/proofpry.png)
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Ok I stand corrected, conclusive proof posted to me privately by warhed: :rofl
(http://imageshack.us/a/img41/2261/proofpry.png)
Uh, what? I didn't private message you anything, and I don't get what you're trying to say?
I think the Apple Fanboy-bot known as Ripley has blown a fuse. Someone call Will Smith!
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So, who has the best ringtone?
Coogan <----off topic.
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I don't get what you're trying to say?
I know my friend, I know.
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So, who has the best ringtone?
Coogan <----off topic.
I use an air raid warning siren for mine, I don't miss very many calls :D
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I use an air raid warning siren for mine, I don't miss very many calls :D
http://db.tt/MCavEnoX (http://db.tt/MCavEnoX)
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I use an air raid warning siren for mine, I don't miss very many calls :D
I have the siren from Silent Hill. :lol
Coogan
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I have the siren from Silent Hill. :lol
Coogan
:rofl
Care to share?
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Nevermind, found it. This may be too creepy for me lol
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Nevermind, found it. This may be too creepy for me lol
Doh! Was just getting ready to post you the link...
I agree, that is pretty creepy. Here's the one I use in-game. Nuclear Alarm (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?qledo4jtk7ryf5r)
Coogan
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I really want the whistle from the Old Spice commercials. Anyone know where i can find it?
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I really want the whistle from the Old Spice commercials. Anyone know where i can find it?
lol
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I am just curios about one thing. if android gets 91% of all new malware then who gets the other 9% apple?
semp
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I am just curios about one thing. if android gets 91% of all new malware then who gets the other 9% apple?
semp
Symbian and blackberry are the next most compromised systems. Remember all those juicy celeb nude photos that were hacked from blackberry devices?
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Apple is losing it's battles in courts around the world
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-samsung-apple-dutch-court-idUSBRE89N0ER20121024
That's just the latest one, I guess their strategy of "oh crap we're out of ideas so lets sue our top competitors into oblivion so that they can't compete with what little we have out right now" isn't working so well
That company will never come out with another groundbreaking product. Expect more 'Product X mini's '
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The particular patent, in that case, has been overturned in the U.S. A number of patents Apple got are coming under scrutiny and are being overturned. Mostly for prior art, which was what Samsung has been saying all along.
Not sure what is happening outside the U.S. with those patents.
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I am just curios about one thing. if android gets 91% of all new malware then who gets the other 9% apple?
semp
The 91% figure is bogus. Even according to the fake report, it states "91% of new malware." Not total. But either way, that's a made up number with no facts to back it up
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The 91% figure is bogus. Even according to the fake report, it states "91% of new malware." Not total. But either way, that's a made up number with no facts to back it up
Cry me a river. The fact of the matter is that Android sees a steady rate of thousands of infections where on iOS there are no reports found of 'in the wild' infections. Or perhaps Google wants to hide bad reports of its worst competitor, would you think? :)
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Cry me a river. The fact of the matter is that Android sees a steady rate of thousands of infections where on iOS there are no reports found of 'in the wild' infections. Or perhaps Google wants to hide bad reports of its worst competitor, would you think? :)
Apple, like Android has privacy problems with apps secretly viewing data on your phone. Not a big deal to me. As far as malicious viruses, they are filtered out of both app stores. Android is as safe as iOS. Maybe that will change in the future, maybe not.
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Apple, like Android has privacy problems with apps secretly viewing data on your phone. Not a big deal to me. As far as malicious viruses, they are filtered out of both app stores. Android is as safe as iOS. Maybe that will change in the future, maybe not.
How can you be so retarded lol? It blows my mind! I just posted you half a dozen of examples where malicious software has been undetected in Play store for weeks and tens of thousands to millions of people have installed them. Malicious code that does _not_ just rip your address book using a property that's by design in the iOS for example - no - but place calls or SMS:es to premium price services that cost you real MONEY :O Understand that these are REAL attacks that happen now on Android - not a theoretic issue published by some researcher after notifying about it to the OS makers.
Every day on average 15-30% of apps are removed from Play store for having malware. And some of them sit there for several days or weeks and people install them in multitude.
After all this you cover your eyes and shout 'nanananaannanaa I dont heeeaarr anythiiiinng!!! Android is perfectly safe!' I guess you just can't understand the difference. :rock
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Dozens of examples of malware being removed promptly? I agree, they're doing a good job keeping the wolves at bay
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How can you be so retarded lol? It blows my mind! I just posted you half a dozen of examples where malicious software has been undetected in Play store for weeks and tens of thousands to millions of people have installed them. Malicious code that does _not_ just rip your address book using a property that's by design in the iOS for example - no - but place calls or SMS:es to premium price services that cost you real MONEY :O Understand that these are REAL attacks that happen now on Android - not a theoretic issue published by some researcher after notifying about it to the OS makers.
Every day on average 15-30% of apps are removed from Play store for having malware. And some of them sit there for several days or weeks and people install them in multitude.
After all this you cover your eyes and shout 'nanananaannanaa I dont heeeaarr anythiiiinng!!! Android is perfectly safe!' I guess you just can't understand the difference. :rock
:rofl
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Apple fanbois!! I love them :)
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Apple fanbois!! I love them :)
(http://www.giantrobot.com/wp-media-uploads/mK22W-645x483.jpg)
Sums up people who believe apple is a superior product, maybe price wise.
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After all this you cover your eyes and shout 'nanananaannanaa I dont heeeaarr anythiiiinng!!! Android is perfectly safe!'
Wow, hypocrisy is pretty thick in here.
Do you really think your iPhone is just as secure, or worse yet, more secure? If so, I have some great ocean front property for you to buy in Iowa.
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How can you be so retarded lol? It blows my mind! I just posted you half a dozen of examples where malicious software has been undetected in Play store for weeks and tens of thousands to millions of people have installed them. Malicious code that does _not_ just rip your address book using a property that's by design in the iOS for example - no - but place calls or SMS:es to premium price services that cost you real MONEY :O Understand that these are REAL attacks that happen now on Android - not a theoretic issue published by some researcher after notifying about it to the OS makers.
Every day on average 15-30% of apps are removed from Play store for having malware. And some of them sit there for several days or weeks and people install them in multitude.
After all this you cover your eyes and shout 'nanananaannanaa I dont heeeaarr anythiiiinng!!! Android is perfectly safe!' I guess you just can't understand the difference. :rock
so according to you every day 15% to 30% of new apps must be uploaded just to replace the apps with malware along with a couple more thousand to make it seem like the market is growing. and the next day another 15% to 30% of apps are found to have malware and must be removed.
so how can they keep up with the market growing if they are removing 90,000 to 180,000 apps a day? (assuming there's 600,000 apps in the market) are they only uploading malware to the market? they must have malware sweatshops in china to keep up this kind of demand.
semp
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This should settle all the bickering-->
Apple Fanbois-->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFhjDX-DUew
And part 2-->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTTSsB92L_s
Android fanbois-->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7huae767Rxg
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Almost forgot DroidWall (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.droidwall.free&hl=en) ;)
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Can't believe you guys are still arguing with mrripley... apples a cult, no matter what logic or evidence you have overcoming blind faith ain't gonna happen :bolt:
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I am still waiting for my answer about the 90k apps with malware uploaded every day to the market. think mrripley is checking out more links. he'll be here soon.
semp
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Apple's own detection system for the app store has had work arounds. Apple is good at ignoring faults in it's system. They seem to be able to will their users to do the same.
My daughter is wanting a new phone. She has one that runs android now. She wants the Galaxy S III. I stopped by to check one out last night. Looks like a nice phone with great features. She will get one this weekend.
Heck I may replace my HTC Inspire with one also. :D
Shuff I just got the galaxy S II Skyrocket......I love it.
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You can't download anything to iOS unless it's checked and verified by Apple, duh. As I said before a phone has to be totally locked down. Freedom + bank accounts are never a good combination. If you choose to jailbreak your phone and download crap from unreliable sources then by all means install an antivirus and have it eat 50% of your phones already poor processing power :)
Told you so: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/61604453/advanced-ios-virus-targets-hk-protesters.html
Cybersecurity researchers have uncovered a computer virus that spies on Apple's iOS operating system for the iPhone and iPad, and they believe it is targeting pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong.
Probably exploited using this: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-4377
Integer overflow in CoreGraphics in Apple iOS before 8 and Apple TV before 7 allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (application crash) via a crafted PDF document.
Oh you smug iphone people ;)
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Told you so: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/61604453/advanced-ios-virus-targets-hk-protesters.html
Probably exploited using this: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-4377
Oh you smug iphone people ;)
Antivirus wouldn't have stopped this zero day trojan (not a virus) oh you smug late-to-the-game-protection believer. And if I have to choose from a million Android exploits in the wild vs a one hand fingers worth of iOS exploits in the wild its a no brainer. Also the attack could have targeted a very limited amount of people since you had to be running iOS older than 8. That means you need to have a phone older than iPhone 4S. Phones of that age are usually already recycled.
Most likely it was a trojan and spread through shell shock http://www.pcworld.com/article/2689432/apple-patches-bash-vulnerability-in-os-x.html
The payload was probably delivered through whatsapp which is being abused heavy by different groups due to its group messaging abilities. I would never in a million years install something like that on my phone.
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Nope nope nope and nope.
I've always said neither android nor ios are secure. The apple fanbois can't withhold themselves from screaming bloody murder at this statement.
So crying "but android"is no defense. I'd also note, just like on my laptop and desktop, I run a Security/AV app on my android devices (Lookout).
AFAIK shellshock does not affect either iOS or OS X (in its default config).
This exploit has existed for the past year, so saying "but iOS8" is not a defense either. All iOS8 is is a message from apple in the form of an ""oops"". How do you know your device has not been compromised? Does the iOS upgrade re-validate the security of your i-device?
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Antivirus wouldn't have stopped this zero day trojan (not a virus) oh you smug late-to-the-game-protection believer. And if I have to choose from a million Android exploits in the wild vs a one hand fingers worth of iOS exploits in the wild its a no brainer. Also the attack could have targeted a very limited amount of people since you had to be running iOS older than 8. That means you need to have a phone older than iPhone 4S. Phones of that age are usually already recycled.
Most likely it was a trojan and spread through shell shock http://www.pcworld.com/article/2689432/apple-patches-bash-vulnerability-in-os-x.html
The payload was probably delivered through whatsapp which is being abused heavy by different groups due to its group messaging abilities. I would never in a million years install something like that on my phone.
yeah but what happens when apple releases an update to basically bricks your phone. is that consider a zero day trojan, virus.......
semp
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Armored aces is a fun tank game for Android tablets
I also have a game that's a modern version of the old 1942 arcade game, but can't remember what it's called.
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Flashlight lol.
I had Flashlight by default and it went away after an update. The factory one was way better than any aftermarket program I have found. Very disappointed... Why did they remove it?
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astro file manager
kindle for android + FB book reader (Aldiko book read is good too but the latest version is a bit messed up)
Noob!
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Noob!
Do you realize that you quoted a 2-year-old reply in a thread that Vulcan necro-bumped a few days ago? ;)
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Lol
Owned :rofl
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Locked for violation of forum posting rule #10.