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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Bludy on October 19, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
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http://www.bornrich.com/world-war-iis-battle-britain-hurricane-fighter-aircraft-expected-fetch-272-million.html (http://www.bornrich.com/world-war-iis-battle-britain-hurricane-fighter-aircraft-expected-fetch-272-million.html)
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Well, I just went through my couch and came up about $2.72 million short. I guess I'll have to stick to the airshows. What are the chances this ends up in the US?
Boo
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It's a Mk. XII, so it's Canadian built and will have a post-BoB build date and 12x.303 Brownings.
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Expected to fetch a price of $2.72 million, this 0.5 ton aircraft is capable to fly for 900 miles with a maximum speed of 322 mph.
The Hurricane only weighed 1000lb. :eek:
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This always makes me wonder what it would cost to make say 20 copies. It also makes me wonder what the cost in today's dollars for one of these or for that matter any ww2 plane.
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This always makes me wonder what it would cost to make say 20 copies. It also makes me wonder what the cost in today's dollars for one of these or for that matter any ww2 plane.
Are you going to build 20 Merlins as well and 20 prop hubs, blades, and bearing stacks?
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Are you going to build 20 Merlins as well and 20 prop hubs, blades, and bearing stacks?
Isn't overhaul on a Merlin pushing 100K or more now? I know Props are in that ballpark too.
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Isn't overhaul on a Merlin pushing 100K or more now? I know Props are in that ballpark too.
Wouldn't be a surprise. Overhaul of most GA engines runs about $20k.
- oldman
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Is that written by a journalist???? Illiteracy of the highest standard. As with so many modern articles the grammer and spelling are atrocious and it looks like it's been written in 5 minutes with no research.
The plural of aircraft is aircrafts? I saw a field fulled of sheeps today
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The plural of aircraft is aircrafts? I saw a field fulled of sheeps today
I think you will find it is 'Sheepses'.
;)
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I think you will find it is 'Sheepses'.
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furby! how ya doing ya old bugger
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Isn't overhaul on a Merlin pushing 100K or more now? I know Props are in that ballpark too.
An overhaul is very expensive these days. Parts are getting harder and harder to find. While Rousch is making some stuff, it is a very expensive and time consuming process to get the FAA/PMA stamp. That in turn pushes up the costs of the parts. Another thing most people do not realize is the cost to build forgings and other unique items. While technology has become more available, tooling up to make forged parts in VERY expensive. These costs likely would push the final cost of a new build aircraft in excess of an existing airframe.
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another piece of information that can be mined from that website is that Heather Graham has amazing Nips. :x
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Isn't overhaul on a Merlin pushing 100K or more now? I know Props are in that ballpark too.
An overhaul is very expensive these days. Parts are getting harder and harder to find. While Rousch is making some stuff, it is a very expensive and time consuming process to get the FAA/PMA stamp. That in turn pushes up the costs of the parts. Another thing most people do not realize is the cost to build forgings and other unique items. While technology has become more available, tooling up to make forged parts in VERY expensive. These costs likely would push the final cost of a new build aircraft in excess of an existing airframe.
'bout 110-125k on the kind side last I heard. You can maybe get it entirely (top/banks and bottom) done still for that but only if you (can (and I mean the shop quoting you trusts youre capable at doing this and thus ultimatley making their job/life/costs gentler)) do most the work for the engine shop of striping it from the cowl and accesories and after it comes back from them and the test stand of reinstalling/connecting/timing/cowling it back in the airplane. Otherwise if your'e looking at the complete drop off and pickup service, and also know it's better to spend more on any wear and tear now than damage later with these things, expect the work done on schedule, etc. etc., I wouldn't flinch at 150k today all said and done (right).
Most of the money is all in the top half, the banks primarily, each half (6) requiring over 120 gaskets, seals and o-rings to be replaced by hand. Four vavles x 12 is also a lot of parts and seats to keep prime (and again, to do right on an old ac engine, reseating all/most maybe = necessary $$$$). And don't forget to think twice about those magnesium valve covers before jumping in to save a little[/i cost with pitching in with your own wrench.
Authentic/accurate P-51 props, yes... of pretty good static quality and maybe with or w/o the nose cap or hub. With all their airworthiness slips, last I looked your'e looking at about at or just under that price these days, per blade.
For reasons Bodhi pointed out, working on a mustang with a packard merlin (an awesome honor/opportunity assuming you're mortal like me and can't afford one out of pocket yourself (yet)) is like anticipating a heart attack or stroke without health insurance. Parts just keep going up in price (ie: gear doors :uhoh )
The shop that does most our museums V-12 work is probabley the best in the world, last time they came out to help us on our SpitXIV retorque he was talking about a DB601 from europe they were getting finished tooling up for overhauling and a DB605 that just showed up also from europe in a crate, to be used in a 109 restoration. While they're doing the 601 they'll microscope and anylise the 605 (infamous for factory labor sabotage), if it pans out then they'll begin tooling (retooling) and overhauling it back to working condition after the 601 is finished. They're probabley working on the 601 right now, but these are not rush jobs so probabley slowly.
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In the 1940's, US fighters cost about $50k-$100k (depending on model). That is $600k-$1.3M in 2011 dollars.
So, rarity and lack of large-scale production seems to give a few times price increase.
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Anybody know what a Pilates pc-9 goes for? Am I correct in assuming that a turboprop cost less per hour than a Merlin? During the war does anyone know how many hours you would get between overhauls? Isn't the math on airplanes something like 40 percent engine 10 percent airframe 70 percent panel?