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Title: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Sundowner on October 23, 2012, 04:01:42 PM
From the video :

"Approximately 30 miles from the Mexican border, in the once free Republic of Texas..."

It's incredible that the state of affairs has degraded to this point.
Only a few years ago this would have been unthinkable.

Regards,
Sun


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nfGMRjtv7DU
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: mechanic on October 23, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
interesting video, thanks for the post
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: coombz on October 23, 2012, 04:25:04 PM
I think I mentioned this a while ago in another thread, there have been a lot of videos similar to this one appearing of late.

One of them was some nutty preacher type guy who, despite being a bit of a looney, was very clear on his rights and the illegal nature of the things he was being ordered to do at various check points.

Interesting stuff. Land of the free, or land of the police state? :)

Luckily as many Americans are armed thanks to their constitutional rights, they can now finally use them in a worthy cause and deal with this by killing the government lackeys at the check points, and kicking off a glorious revolution to overthrow the tyrannical government etc etc
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Shuffler on October 23, 2012, 04:45:28 PM
Driver was being a dick.

He knew he was going to be a dick.

He was filming what happens when someone goes through a checkpoint being a dick.

Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 23, 2012, 04:49:45 PM
The driver being a dick bothers you more than a Gestapo checkpoint?
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Shuffler on October 23, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
The driver being a dick bothers you more than a Gestapo checkpoint?

The driver being a dick is why he had a camera going. He brought it on himself.

We have to have checkpoints close to the border to keep out the law breaking illegals flowing over it.

I consider it protection.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: JimmyC on October 23, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
man...dont loose your civil rights for the fear!
fear has been thrown out as a tool to curtail your rights...fight for your rights...
its the only solid ground you`ve got
thank god for the magna carter in England ..and your American constitution...otherwise they could make laws to "make it easy for themselves"
dont be blind...be pure!
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 23, 2012, 05:06:20 PM
The driver being a dick is why he had a camera going. He brought it on himself.

We have to have checkpoints close to the border to keep out the law breaking illegals flowing over it.

I consider it protection.
i don't need that kind of protection.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Shuffler on October 23, 2012, 05:13:24 PM
i don't need that kind of protection.

Well your family might.

The driver brought it on himself.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: JimmyC on October 23, 2012, 05:17:35 PM
lie on the floor and do what i tell ya
why
just do it.....?


feel protected now   :bhead


the driver drove off cos they knew he was right...


Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: ink on October 23, 2012, 05:28:31 PM
want to comment here but will not....I did on the vid though.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 23, 2012, 06:07:29 PM
Well your family might.

The driver brought it on himself.
Might be protected from?
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: coombz on October 23, 2012, 06:43:21 PM
be protected from?

cheap labour?

(serious response - unlicensed + uninsured drivers are apparently something of a problem and potentially a danger to shuffler and his family, I'm sure there are other immigrant related risks too that I am not considering)
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: CAP1 on October 23, 2012, 06:44:26 PM
I think I mentioned this a while ago in another thread, there have been a lot of videos similar to this one appearing of late.

One of them was some nutty preacher type guy who, despite being a bit of a looney, was very clear on his rights and the illegal nature of the things he was being ordered to do at various check points.

Interesting stuff. Land of the free, or land of the police state? :)

Luckily as many Americans are armed thanks to their constitutional rights, they can now finally use them in a worthy cause and deal with this by killing the government lackeys at the check points, and kicking off a glorious revolution to overthrow the tyrannical government etc etc

 dude.....just trying to be a friend here....you might want to edit out the bolded part. before the black helicopters come for ya.  :noid
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 23, 2012, 06:47:33 PM
The driver was an idiot, pure and simple. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Bodhi on October 23, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
That guy just opened a file on himself....  not to smart.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Scotch on October 23, 2012, 06:56:09 PM
That guy is an idiot
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Seanaldinho on October 23, 2012, 06:59:13 PM
These guys are just trying to do their job. There job is to keep illegal immigrants out. If this is what it takes then I see no problem with it.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Scotch on October 23, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
They were actually far more polite than the guards I've experienced while crossing the borders. Let them do their job and you're on your way.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Plawranc on October 23, 2012, 07:20:22 PM
9/11

Pearl Harbor

WTC Bombings in the 90's

Columbine Massacre

Lockerby Bombings (Pan-Am Flight)

etc etc.


^^^^^^^^^

These happened because proper protocol, thorough security procedures, and correct threat assessment DID NOT HAPPEN.

the need for tight border security is invasive but necessary.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: coombz on October 23, 2012, 07:28:11 PM
These guys are just trying to do their job. There job is to keep illegal immigrants out. If this is what it takes then I see no problem with it.


that's a slippery slope...



9/11

Pearl Harbor

WTC Bombings in the 90's

Columbine Massacre

Lockerby Bombings (Pan-Am Flight)

etc etc.


^^^^^^^^^

These happened because proper protocol, thorough security procedures, and correct threat assessment DID NOT HAPPEN.

the need for tight border security is invasive but necessary.


so is it impossible to have effective border security without violating those precious rights that Americans are always banging on about?

you can't have secure borders and good homeland security without illegally searching and detaining your own citizens?  :huh
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: JimmyC on October 23, 2012, 07:28:25 PM
the real question is ...
when do you loose that freedom protecting that freedom?
that's the very fine line to watch
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: flight17 on October 23, 2012, 07:32:31 PM
The driver being a dick is why he had a camera going. He brought it on himself.

We have to have checkpoints close to the border to keep out the law breaking illegals flowing over it.

I consider it protection.
Really we are worried about checking for illegals 30miles into the country already? That's a little pointless don't ya think?

It is ridiculous that a truck, car, bus or any vehicle has to be checked within the United States of America having never crossed the boarder...
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 23, 2012, 07:43:16 PM
9/11

Pearl Harbor

WTC Bombings in the 90's

Columbine Massacre

Lockerby Bombings (Pan-Am Flight)

etc etc.


^^^^^^^^^

These happened because proper protocol, thorough security procedures, and correct threat assessment DID NOT HAPPEN.

the need for tight border security is invasive but necessary.

So, tell me. How does this apply to Columbine, which was a regular high school? Or Pearl Harbor, which was an act of war? I'm pretty sure "Security Procedures" sure help against that.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Scherf on October 23, 2012, 07:44:30 PM
Are the guys asking the questions genuinely that toothless in terms of the law or were they just saving themselves the hot air?

I mean, if the legal boundaries mean the conversation *has* to go along the lines of "Show me your ID" "I prefer not to"  "Uh, OK" then why have the damn checkpoints in the first place? Seriously, the random breath test guys down here have more grunt.

Don't mean to stir the pot, just askin'.

Edit - This fellow even encounters an agent who *clearly* has a problem with an Australian people. A wiiiiiiiitch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=PzwaZBPREI8&NR=1
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Tupac on October 23, 2012, 07:45:52 PM
As someone who has gone (and does go through) these checkpoints fairly regularly, they aren't a big deal. Don't be a dick.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Plawranc on October 23, 2012, 08:14:48 PM
I am speaking broadly, which I know , is a bad thing because then people nitpick.

I am addressing the subject of underestimating a threat.

In all the cases I mentioned, someone, somewhere, said "its not going to be a problem".


And the answer to coombz is. No.

As long as there is one TINY chink in the armor, it will be exploited. Simple.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 23, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
Really we are worried about checking for illegals 30miles into the country already? That's a little pointless don't ya think?

No, it's really not pointless, these checkpoints are set up on known smuggling corridors and we know that smugglers just don't stop when they cross the border.

Quote
It is ridiculous that a truck, car, bus or any vehicle has to be checked within the United States of America having never crossed the boarder...

A truck or car doesn't have to cross the border to smuggle illegal aliens or drugs from the border.  In most cases the goods/persons are smuggled across to safe houses or drop off points and then picked up by others and loaded into truck or car and then smuggled to their destinations.

ack-ack
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: coombz on October 23, 2012, 08:20:47 PM

And the answer to coombz is. No.

As long as there is one TINY chink in the armor, it will be exploited. Simple.

I'd argue that there will always be a chink in the armour somewhere, so abusing the rights of the populace isn't actually going to be worth it in the long run. Better to work within the law to achieve your goals than to go around it/above it to try (and still fail) to achieve whatever 'noble' aim is required.

But then, I'm just naturally argumentative :D
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: MarineUS on October 23, 2012, 09:34:58 PM
The driver is a tool.

"If you tell me you're a U.S. citizen, you're free to go." - he refused to answer. Dude was being a jerk.

The first officer did the right thing - he walked off and got his supervisor. They were respectful. They asked ONE question, the guy avoided it. Would that not look suspicious to you too?

This guy is just an attention hog trying to get famous over YT. Next.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Scherf on October 23, 2012, 11:36:15 PM
I suppose this will sound like I am stirring the pot now, but if Mohammed Derka Derka or Jaime del Coca get stopped, answer "Yes, I am an American citizen," and are then free to go, why have the damn check in the first place? Seriously, sounds more and more like an expensive farce.

I'd be more impressed if the Agent said, "Sir, step out of the car now and show me your ID, or my colleagues and I will forcibly remove you and charge you with a felony." But I suppose they don't have that power, for a variety of good reasons. (Are citizens required to carry proof of citizenship within X miles of the border? Do you have to demonstrate citizenship to get a driver's license in border States? How about if Oklahomans fly in to a border town and rent a car?)
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Stalwart on October 24, 2012, 01:50:47 AM
Driver was being a dick.

He knew he was going to be a dick.

He was filming what happens when someone goes through a checkpoint being a dick.


Truth
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Stalwart on October 24, 2012, 01:54:34 AM
These guys are just trying to do their job. There job is to keep illegal immigrants out. If this is what it takes then I see no problem with it.

It's also to keep trailers full of desperate people from dying in the dark, in the hot Texas sun, in a box, as they tend to do occasionally when crossing illegally.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: RedBull1 on October 24, 2012, 02:02:39 AM
The driver was an idiot, pure and simple. 

ack-ack
QFT, what an ass, just had to answer 1 simple question and he could go...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 24, 2012, 02:34:22 AM
I suppose this will sound like I am stirring the pot now, but if Mohammed Derka Derka or Jaime del Coca get stopped, answer "Yes, I am an American citizen," and are then free to go, why have the damn check in the first place? Seriously, sounds more and more like an expensive farce.

Pretty much.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Vudu15 on October 24, 2012, 05:30:25 AM
to keep out the law breaking illegals flowing over it.


right cause all the illegals go through checkpoints...
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: ozrocker on October 24, 2012, 06:08:20 AM
man...dont loose your civil rights for the fear!
fear has been thrown out as a tool to curtail your rights...fight for your rights...
its the only solid ground you`ve got
thank god for the magna carte in England ..and your American constitution...otherwise they could make laws to "make it easy for themselves"
dont be blind...be pure!

Fixed! Carter never would have had the guts!

                                                                                                                               :cheers: Oz
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: LCADolby on October 24, 2012, 06:11:41 AM

that's a slippery slope...


Thin end of the wedge

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40695000/jpg/_40695947_yesmin203.jpg)
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: CAP1 on October 24, 2012, 07:42:42 AM
i don't like checkpoints, spotchecks, dui checkpoints....whatever you want to call them. but facts are facts......that dude just made his own life very difficult. all that was required was one word. "yes". then he'd have been on his way.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Seanaldinho on October 24, 2012, 08:10:50 AM

that's a slippery slope...



So is Everest, but every year people pay to climb it.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: gyrene81 on October 24, 2012, 08:42:41 AM
definitely a dickhead showing how much of a dickhead he could be...it's a trend that is going to end in an incident that will bring out the whiners screaming injustice. it would have been a lot more entertaining if a state trooper walked up to the car, tased his bellybutton then dragged him from the car.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: BERN1 on October 24, 2012, 08:57:18 AM
They shoulda shot the fugger and tossed his rotting corpse to the coyotes!  The Dick {not my word} was waisting our time and money because he would not answer an easy YES or NO question.
not to mention he just showed some looney how to get past a checkpoint :huh
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Shuffler on October 24, 2012, 09:14:11 AM
cheap labour?

(serious response - unlicensed + uninsured drivers are apparently something of a problem and potentially a danger to shuffler and his family, I'm sure there are other immigrant related risks too that I am not considering)

Another quote from a clueless individual.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Shuffler on October 24, 2012, 09:15:54 AM

right cause all the illegals go through checkpoints...

You'd be surprised how much drugs and illegals are caught at checkpoints. Nothing near all of them.... but some.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Stalwart on October 24, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
Must have been one of those "Occupy the Truck Cab" drivers.    (middle finger smiley needed)
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: pembquist on October 24, 2012, 02:02:40 PM
You can call the guy a dick but I think that without his kind of outraged nuttiness the "organs of the state" would have no check on them as most people obey authority and don't push back until problems reach a crisis.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Shuffler on October 24, 2012, 02:52:27 PM
You can call the guy a dick but I think that without his kind of outraged nuttiness the "organs of the state" would have no check on them as most people obey authority and don't push back until problems reach a crisis.

You should obey authority. If the authority gets out of hand then there is an issue.

This is not one of those times. He should have been pulled to the side and inspected thouroughly since he seemed to have so much extra time.


Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: JimmyC on October 24, 2012, 04:03:03 PM
why...for driving legitimately in the land of the free?
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: coombz on October 24, 2012, 04:10:13 PM
why...for driving legitimately in the land of the free?

You should always obey authority Jimmy! Nothing bad can ever happen to you if you always obey authority! :old:


Sadly I can't say what I would like to say in this thread because I would immediately have to slap myself with a Godwin's Law injunction =D
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: whiteman on October 24, 2012, 04:11:19 PM
drove through about  10 of these last month on a trip, i think i spent less than a minute combined going through all of them. don't be a dick.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Rich46yo on October 24, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
The driver being a dick bothers you more than a Gestapo checkpoint?

The Gestapo arrested people for no reason and sent them to death camps where they were gassed and then burned in crematoriums.

Maybe you never read a history book.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Sundowner on October 24, 2012, 04:14:37 PM
If the easy, trouble-free response "Yes I am an American citizen." is all that is required to pass this checkpoint then would a sign prominently displayed stating as much should be sufficient to pass?

Of course not.

If a "canned answer" is all that is required then this is a pointless exercise in "border security" that is easily bypassed by the bad guys and serves no purpose.


You should obey authority. If the authority gets out of hand then there is an issue.

This is not one of those times. He should have been pulled to the side and inspected thouroughly since he seemed to have so much extra time.




How far should we allow authority to get out of hand before it is an issue?

Would this far be too far?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE

Regards,
Sun
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 24, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
definitely a dickhead showing how much of a dickhead he could be...it's a trend that is going to end in an incident that will bring out the whiners screaming injustice. it would have been a lot more entertaining if a state trooper walked up to the car, tased his bellybutton then dragged him from the car.
Of course. I mean he did nothing illegal but by all means he should be shown the Gov runs his life and any resistance should be put down with immediate force.

The Gestapo arrested people for no reason and sent them to death camps where they were gassed and then burned in crematoriums.

Maybe you never read a history book.
Maybe I have and that's my problem sheep.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: NatCigg on October 24, 2012, 09:19:17 PM

so is it impossible to have effective border security without violating those precious rights that Americans are always banging on about?

you can't have secure borders and good homeland security without illegally searching and detaining your own citizens?  :huh

dude...really? :headscratch:

Id like c mob to go live near the mexican border. then lets see what you think about a checkpoint. Also, we americans give up many of our rights when on the road.  in my state we won the right to not wear a helmant when on a bike. men have died free.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: coombz on October 24, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
free to not wear a helmet on the road :aok

they died as they lived...stupidly
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: B4Buster on October 24, 2012, 09:47:02 PM
The driver's sole intention was to cause grief to the border agents, hence the recording camera. I was hoping to see them yank him out of the vehicle by his nose.

If he can not answer a simple yes/no question on whether he is an American citizen or not, then he should not be granted the privileges of one.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 24, 2012, 09:58:29 PM
The driver's sole intention was to cause grief to the border agents, hence the recording camera. I was hoping to see them yank him out of the vehicle by his nose.

If he can not answer a simple yes/no question on whether he is an American citizen or not, then he should not be granted the privileges of one.
He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: JimmyC on October 24, 2012, 10:09:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Stalwart on October 24, 2012, 10:12:07 PM
You can call the guy a dick but I think that without his kind of outraged nuttiness the "organs of the state" would have no check on them as most people obey authority and don't push back until problems reach a crisis.

Or, maybe if we had a free press that was the watchdog for the people, maybe that would make a difference too.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Stalwart on October 24, 2012, 10:21:39 PM
If the easy, trouble-free response "Yes I am an American citizen." is all that is required to pass this checkpoint then would a sign prominently displayed stating as much should be sufficient to pass?

Of course not.

If a "canned answer" is all that is required then this is a pointless exercise in "border security" that is easily bypassed by the bad guys and serves no purpose.


How far should we allow authority to get out of hand before it is an issue?

Would this far be too far?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE

Regards,
Sun


I am not a law enforcement officer or a lawyer, but I have an opinion.

Maybe simply asking the question produces a tremendous range of responses in people, and certain responses are indicative of criminal activity.  Maybe all they are looking for is these types of reactions.  So, the exercise is not pointless.

 :headscratch:
Why all the outrage over this jerk's video when the border patrol is doing an important and dangerous job.

Why not direct this outrage at the TSA which is CLEARLY overstepping their authority?
If this jerk tried the same move at airport security I have no doubt he would have been arrested.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Stalwart on October 24, 2012, 10:22:41 PM
He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.

Maybe so, but he was still a dick about it.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: CAP1 on October 24, 2012, 10:48:30 PM
He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.

 i'm trying to be careful. i've been doing good being nicer.

 but if i were that second cop, i'd have had him out of that truck as soon as he said he wanted to take the 5th. he was being a hassle right from the get go. then he acts in ways that could easily be interpreted as suspicious by those police. then he pleads the 5th when asked if he has anything illegal in the truck. that's more than enough reason to have him out, the truck off to the side, and the entire load searched.

 i fully understand standing up for ones rights, but you need to pick your battles....and picking that battle right there could have gone very very bad for him. does he really think those guys want to be there doing that? i highly doubt it.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 24, 2012, 11:02:51 PM
Maybe so, but he was still a dick about it.
no doubt
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: MarineUS on October 24, 2012, 11:23:05 PM
i'm trying to be careful. i've been doing good being nicer.

 but if i were that second cop, i'd have had him out of that truck as soon as he said he wanted to take the 5th. he was being a hassle right from the get go. then he acts in ways that could easily be interpreted as suspicious by those police. then he pleads the 5th when asked if he has anything illegal in the truck. that's more than enough reason to have him out, the truck off to the side, and the entire load searched.

 i fully understand standing up for ones rights, but you need to pick your battles....and picking that battle right there could have gone very very bad for him. does he really think those guys want to be there doing that? i highly doubt it.
Yessir

He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.
They also have the right to arrest him for obstruction. He was obstructing them from doing their job and keeping the border secure. All this video does is show folks how to get across the border without being searched.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 24, 2012, 11:36:10 PM
Yessir
They also have the right to arrest him for obstruction. He was obstructing them from doing their job and keeping the border secure. All this video does is show folks how to get across the border without being searched.
if they had a right to arrest don't you think they would have?
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: pembquist on October 25, 2012, 12:02:09 AM
Or, maybe if we had a free press that was the watchdog for the people, maybe that would make a difference too.

Certainly having an effective free press is essential to a functioning democracy, in fact I would say one of the challenges our country faces is the decline of the newspapers and there ability to cover local government.  A lot of stuff happens at city council meetings and hearings, stuff that needs sunlight.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Sundowner on October 25, 2012, 12:21:24 AM
Yessir
They also have the right to arrest him for obstruction. He was obstructing them from doing their job and keeping the border secure. All this video does is show folks how to get across the border without being searched.

This was 30 miles inland from the border.

How far past the border would a person need to be to not be guilty of obstructing "keeping the border secure"?

50 miles?
100miles?
500 miles?

Regards,
Sun
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: zack1234 on October 25, 2012, 01:42:23 AM
In the UK they are passing a law to allow the police and government to view all internet traffic. :)

we have lots of cameras in Britain to view the public. :)

The reason for this is that the powers that be know that when the "Recession" properly takes hold there will be civilian unrest. :)

Oh by the the recession has not even started yet :rofl

The middle classes will have to blame someone for there woes, because they have portfolios, who will it be this time?

The working classes don't matter they are watching the X factor and repeats of Bonanza :)
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: NatCigg on October 25, 2012, 04:28:07 AM
This was 30 miles inland from the border.

How far past the border would a person need to be to not be guilty of obstructing "keeping the border secure"?

50 miles?
100miles?
500 miles?

Regards,
Sun


how far can you travel in the desert?
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: B4Buster on October 25, 2012, 06:15:16 AM
He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.

Of course he has the right, but that is not the point. I consider it common courtesy - the driver just wanted to be argumentative. If he lives down in that area, he should know just as well as anyone why those checkpoints are necessary.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slash27 on October 25, 2012, 07:33:07 AM
Of course he has the right, but that is not the point. I consider it common courtesy - the driver just wanted to be argumentative. If he lives down in that area, he should know just as well as anyone why those checkpoints are necessary.
Talk to the TSA about common courtesy.
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Slate on October 25, 2012, 08:10:57 AM
   He has issues with Border policy so he takes it out on some poor souls who have no control over it.  :rolleyes: They had to determine if he was a smuggler or just a Dick. They let him go so they know.

   Lets all be jerks to each other it makes for such a lovely world don't it.  :noid

    
Title: Re: "Am I free to go?"
Post by: Shuffler on October 25, 2012, 08:51:35 AM
If the easy, trouble-free response "Yes I am an American citizen." is all that is required to pass this checkpoint then would a sign prominently displayed stating as much should be sufficient to pass?

Of course not.

If a "canned answer" is all that is required then this is a pointless exercise in "border security" that is easily bypassed by the bad guys and serves no purpose.


How far should we allow authority to get out of hand before it is an issue?

Would this far be too far?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE

Regards,
Sun


The vehicle was getting a quick once over by the dog/dogs.