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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundowner on October 23, 2012, 04:01:42 PM
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From the video :
"Approximately 30 miles from the Mexican border, in the once free Republic of Texas..."
It's incredible that the state of affairs has degraded to this point.
Only a few years ago this would have been unthinkable.
Regards,
Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nfGMRjtv7DU
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interesting video, thanks for the post
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I think I mentioned this a while ago in another thread, there have been a lot of videos similar to this one appearing of late.
One of them was some nutty preacher type guy who, despite being a bit of a looney, was very clear on his rights and the illegal nature of the things he was being ordered to do at various check points.
Interesting stuff. Land of the free, or land of the police state? :)
Luckily as many Americans are armed thanks to their constitutional rights, they can now finally use them in a worthy cause and deal with this by killing the government lackeys at the check points, and kicking off a glorious revolution to overthrow the tyrannical government etc etc
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Driver was being a dick.
He knew he was going to be a dick.
He was filming what happens when someone goes through a checkpoint being a dick.
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The driver being a dick bothers you more than a Gestapo checkpoint?
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The driver being a dick bothers you more than a Gestapo checkpoint?
The driver being a dick is why he had a camera going. He brought it on himself.
We have to have checkpoints close to the border to keep out the law breaking illegals flowing over it.
I consider it protection.
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man...dont loose your civil rights for the fear!
fear has been thrown out as a tool to curtail your rights...fight for your rights...
its the only solid ground you`ve got
thank god for the magna carter in England ..and your American constitution...otherwise they could make laws to "make it easy for themselves"
dont be blind...be pure!
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The driver being a dick is why he had a camera going. He brought it on himself.
We have to have checkpoints close to the border to keep out the law breaking illegals flowing over it.
I consider it protection.
i don't need that kind of protection.
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i don't need that kind of protection.
Well your family might.
The driver brought it on himself.
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lie on the floor and do what i tell ya
why
just do it.....?
feel protected now :bhead
the driver drove off cos they knew he was right...
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want to comment here but will not....I did on the vid though.
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Well your family might.
The driver brought it on himself.
Might be protected from?
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be protected from?
cheap labour?
(serious response - unlicensed + uninsured drivers are apparently something of a problem and potentially a danger to shuffler and his family, I'm sure there are other immigrant related risks too that I am not considering)
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I think I mentioned this a while ago in another thread, there have been a lot of videos similar to this one appearing of late.
One of them was some nutty preacher type guy who, despite being a bit of a looney, was very clear on his rights and the illegal nature of the things he was being ordered to do at various check points.
Interesting stuff. Land of the free, or land of the police state? :)
Luckily as many Americans are armed thanks to their constitutional rights, they can now finally use them in a worthy cause and deal with this by killing the government lackeys at the check points, and kicking off a glorious revolution to overthrow the tyrannical government etc etc
dude.....just trying to be a friend here....you might want to edit out the bolded part. before the black helicopters come for ya. :noid
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The driver was an idiot, pure and simple.
ack-ack
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That guy just opened a file on himself.... not to smart.
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That guy is an idiot
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These guys are just trying to do their job. There job is to keep illegal immigrants out. If this is what it takes then I see no problem with it.
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They were actually far more polite than the guards I've experienced while crossing the borders. Let them do their job and you're on your way.
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9/11
Pearl Harbor
WTC Bombings in the 90's
Columbine Massacre
Lockerby Bombings (Pan-Am Flight)
etc etc.
^^^^^^^^^
These happened because proper protocol, thorough security procedures, and correct threat assessment DID NOT HAPPEN.
the need for tight border security is invasive but necessary.
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These guys are just trying to do their job. There job is to keep illegal immigrants out. If this is what it takes then I see no problem with it.
that's a slippery slope...
9/11
Pearl Harbor
WTC Bombings in the 90's
Columbine Massacre
Lockerby Bombings (Pan-Am Flight)
etc etc.
^^^^^^^^^
These happened because proper protocol, thorough security procedures, and correct threat assessment DID NOT HAPPEN.
the need for tight border security is invasive but necessary.
so is it impossible to have effective border security without violating those precious rights that Americans are always banging on about?
you can't have secure borders and good homeland security without illegally searching and detaining your own citizens? :huh
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the real question is ...
when do you loose that freedom protecting that freedom?
that's the very fine line to watch
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The driver being a dick is why he had a camera going. He brought it on himself.
We have to have checkpoints close to the border to keep out the law breaking illegals flowing over it.
I consider it protection.
Really we are worried about checking for illegals 30miles into the country already? That's a little pointless don't ya think?
It is ridiculous that a truck, car, bus or any vehicle has to be checked within the United States of America having never crossed the boarder...
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9/11
Pearl Harbor
WTC Bombings in the 90's
Columbine Massacre
Lockerby Bombings (Pan-Am Flight)
etc etc.
^^^^^^^^^
These happened because proper protocol, thorough security procedures, and correct threat assessment DID NOT HAPPEN.
the need for tight border security is invasive but necessary.
So, tell me. How does this apply to Columbine, which was a regular high school? Or Pearl Harbor, which was an act of war? I'm pretty sure "Security Procedures" sure help against that. :rolleyes:
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Are the guys asking the questions genuinely that toothless in terms of the law or were they just saving themselves the hot air?
I mean, if the legal boundaries mean the conversation *has* to go along the lines of "Show me your ID" "I prefer not to" "Uh, OK" then why have the damn checkpoints in the first place? Seriously, the random breath test guys down here have more grunt.
Don't mean to stir the pot, just askin'.
Edit - This fellow even encounters an agent who *clearly* has a problem with an Australian people. A wiiiiiiiitch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=PzwaZBPREI8&NR=1
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As someone who has gone (and does go through) these checkpoints fairly regularly, they aren't a big deal. Don't be a dick.
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I am speaking broadly, which I know , is a bad thing because then people nitpick.
I am addressing the subject of underestimating a threat.
In all the cases I mentioned, someone, somewhere, said "its not going to be a problem".
And the answer to coombz is. No.
As long as there is one TINY chink in the armor, it will be exploited. Simple.
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Really we are worried about checking for illegals 30miles into the country already? That's a little pointless don't ya think?
No, it's really not pointless, these checkpoints are set up on known smuggling corridors and we know that smugglers just don't stop when they cross the border.
It is ridiculous that a truck, car, bus or any vehicle has to be checked within the United States of America having never crossed the boarder...
A truck or car doesn't have to cross the border to smuggle illegal aliens or drugs from the border. In most cases the goods/persons are smuggled across to safe houses or drop off points and then picked up by others and loaded into truck or car and then smuggled to their destinations.
ack-ack
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And the answer to coombz is. No.
As long as there is one TINY chink in the armor, it will be exploited. Simple.
I'd argue that there will always be a chink in the armour somewhere, so abusing the rights of the populace isn't actually going to be worth it in the long run. Better to work within the law to achieve your goals than to go around it/above it to try (and still fail) to achieve whatever 'noble' aim is required.
But then, I'm just naturally argumentative :D
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The driver is a tool.
"If you tell me you're a U.S. citizen, you're free to go." - he refused to answer. Dude was being a jerk.
The first officer did the right thing - he walked off and got his supervisor. They were respectful. They asked ONE question, the guy avoided it. Would that not look suspicious to you too?
This guy is just an attention hog trying to get famous over YT. Next.
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I suppose this will sound like I am stirring the pot now, but if Mohammed Derka Derka or Jaime del Coca get stopped, answer "Yes, I am an American citizen," and are then free to go, why have the damn check in the first place? Seriously, sounds more and more like an expensive farce.
I'd be more impressed if the Agent said, "Sir, step out of the car now and show me your ID, or my colleagues and I will forcibly remove you and charge you with a felony." But I suppose they don't have that power, for a variety of good reasons. (Are citizens required to carry proof of citizenship within X miles of the border? Do you have to demonstrate citizenship to get a driver's license in border States? How about if Oklahomans fly in to a border town and rent a car?)
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Driver was being a dick.
He knew he was going to be a dick.
He was filming what happens when someone goes through a checkpoint being a dick.
Truth
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These guys are just trying to do their job. There job is to keep illegal immigrants out. If this is what it takes then I see no problem with it.
It's also to keep trailers full of desperate people from dying in the dark, in the hot Texas sun, in a box, as they tend to do occasionally when crossing illegally.
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The driver was an idiot, pure and simple.
ack-ack
QFT, what an ass, just had to answer 1 simple question and he could go... :rolleyes:
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I suppose this will sound like I am stirring the pot now, but if Mohammed Derka Derka or Jaime del Coca get stopped, answer "Yes, I am an American citizen," and are then free to go, why have the damn check in the first place? Seriously, sounds more and more like an expensive farce.
Pretty much.
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to keep out the law breaking illegals flowing over it.
right cause all the illegals go through checkpoints...
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man...dont loose your civil rights for the fear!
fear has been thrown out as a tool to curtail your rights...fight for your rights...
its the only solid ground you`ve got
thank god for the magna carte in England ..and your American constitution...otherwise they could make laws to "make it easy for themselves"
dont be blind...be pure!
Fixed! Carter never would have had the guts!
:cheers: Oz
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that's a slippery slope...
Thin end of the wedge
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40695000/jpg/_40695947_yesmin203.jpg)
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i don't like checkpoints, spotchecks, dui checkpoints....whatever you want to call them. but facts are facts......that dude just made his own life very difficult. all that was required was one word. "yes". then he'd have been on his way.
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that's a slippery slope...
So is Everest, but every year people pay to climb it.
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definitely a dickhead showing how much of a dickhead he could be...it's a trend that is going to end in an incident that will bring out the whiners screaming injustice. it would have been a lot more entertaining if a state trooper walked up to the car, tased his bellybutton then dragged him from the car.
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They shoulda shot the fugger and tossed his rotting corpse to the coyotes! The Dick {not my word} was waisting our time and money because he would not answer an easy YES or NO question.
not to mention he just showed some looney how to get past a checkpoint :huh
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cheap labour?
(serious response - unlicensed + uninsured drivers are apparently something of a problem and potentially a danger to shuffler and his family, I'm sure there are other immigrant related risks too that I am not considering)
Another quote from a clueless individual.
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right cause all the illegals go through checkpoints...
You'd be surprised how much drugs and illegals are caught at checkpoints. Nothing near all of them.... but some.
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Must have been one of those "Occupy the Truck Cab" drivers. (middle finger smiley needed)
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You can call the guy a dick but I think that without his kind of outraged nuttiness the "organs of the state" would have no check on them as most people obey authority and don't push back until problems reach a crisis.
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You can call the guy a dick but I think that without his kind of outraged nuttiness the "organs of the state" would have no check on them as most people obey authority and don't push back until problems reach a crisis.
You should obey authority. If the authority gets out of hand then there is an issue.
This is not one of those times. He should have been pulled to the side and inspected thouroughly since he seemed to have so much extra time.
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why...for driving legitimately in the land of the free?
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why...for driving legitimately in the land of the free?
You should always obey authority Jimmy! Nothing bad can ever happen to you if you always obey authority! :old:
Sadly I can't say what I would like to say in this thread because I would immediately have to slap myself with a Godwin's Law injunction =D
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drove through about 10 of these last month on a trip, i think i spent less than a minute combined going through all of them. don't be a dick.
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The driver being a dick bothers you more than a Gestapo checkpoint?
The Gestapo arrested people for no reason and sent them to death camps where they were gassed and then burned in crematoriums.
Maybe you never read a history book.
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If the easy, trouble-free response "Yes I am an American citizen." is all that is required to pass this checkpoint then would a sign prominently displayed stating as much should be sufficient to pass?
Of course not.
If a "canned answer" is all that is required then this is a pointless exercise in "border security" that is easily bypassed by the bad guys and serves no purpose.
You should obey authority. If the authority gets out of hand then there is an issue.
This is not one of those times. He should have been pulled to the side and inspected thouroughly since he seemed to have so much extra time.
How far should we allow authority to get out of hand before it is an issue?
Would this far be too far?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE
Regards,
Sun
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definitely a dickhead showing how much of a dickhead he could be...it's a trend that is going to end in an incident that will bring out the whiners screaming injustice. it would have been a lot more entertaining if a state trooper walked up to the car, tased his bellybutton then dragged him from the car.
Of course. I mean he did nothing illegal but by all means he should be shown the Gov runs his life and any resistance should be put down with immediate force.
The Gestapo arrested people for no reason and sent them to death camps where they were gassed and then burned in crematoriums.
Maybe you never read a history book.
Maybe I have and that's my problem sheep.
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so is it impossible to have effective border security without violating those precious rights that Americans are always banging on about?
you can't have secure borders and good homeland security without illegally searching and detaining your own citizens? :huh
dude...really? :headscratch:
Id like c mob to go live near the mexican border. then lets see what you think about a checkpoint. Also, we americans give up many of our rights when on the road. in my state we won the right to not wear a helmant when on a bike. men have died free.
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free to not wear a helmet on the road :aok
they died as they lived...stupidly
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The driver's sole intention was to cause grief to the border agents, hence the recording camera. I was hoping to see them yank him out of the vehicle by his nose.
If he can not answer a simple yes/no question on whether he is an American citizen or not, then he should not be granted the privileges of one.
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The driver's sole intention was to cause grief to the border agents, hence the recording camera. I was hoping to see them yank him out of the vehicle by his nose.
If he can not answer a simple yes/no question on whether he is an American citizen or not, then he should not be granted the privileges of one.
He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk
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You can call the guy a dick but I think that without his kind of outraged nuttiness the "organs of the state" would have no check on them as most people obey authority and don't push back until problems reach a crisis.
Or, maybe if we had a free press that was the watchdog for the people, maybe that would make a difference too.
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If the easy, trouble-free response "Yes I am an American citizen." is all that is required to pass this checkpoint then would a sign prominently displayed stating as much should be sufficient to pass?
Of course not.
If a "canned answer" is all that is required then this is a pointless exercise in "border security" that is easily bypassed by the bad guys and serves no purpose.
How far should we allow authority to get out of hand before it is an issue?
Would this far be too far?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE
Regards,
Sun
I am not a law enforcement officer or a lawyer, but I have an opinion.
Maybe simply asking the question produces a tremendous range of responses in people, and certain responses are indicative of criminal activity. Maybe all they are looking for is these types of reactions. So, the exercise is not pointless.
:headscratch:
Why all the outrage over this jerk's video when the border patrol is doing an important and dangerous job.
Why not direct this outrage at the TSA which is CLEARLY overstepping their authority?
If this jerk tried the same move at airport security I have no doubt he would have been arrested.
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He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.
Maybe so, but he was still a dick about it.
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He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.
i'm trying to be careful. i've been doing good being nicer.
but if i were that second cop, i'd have had him out of that truck as soon as he said he wanted to take the 5th. he was being a hassle right from the get go. then he acts in ways that could easily be interpreted as suspicious by those police. then he pleads the 5th when asked if he has anything illegal in the truck. that's more than enough reason to have him out, the truck off to the side, and the entire load searched.
i fully understand standing up for ones rights, but you need to pick your battles....and picking that battle right there could have gone very very bad for him. does he really think those guys want to be there doing that? i highly doubt it.
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Maybe so, but he was still a dick about it.
no doubt
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i'm trying to be careful. i've been doing good being nicer.
but if i were that second cop, i'd have had him out of that truck as soon as he said he wanted to take the 5th. he was being a hassle right from the get go. then he acts in ways that could easily be interpreted as suspicious by those police. then he pleads the 5th when asked if he has anything illegal in the truck. that's more than enough reason to have him out, the truck off to the side, and the entire load searched.
i fully understand standing up for ones rights, but you need to pick your battles....and picking that battle right there could have gone very very bad for him. does he really think those guys want to be there doing that? i highly doubt it.
Yessir
He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.
They also have the right to arrest him for obstruction. He was obstructing them from doing their job and keeping the border secure. All this video does is show folks how to get across the border without being searched.
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Yessir
They also have the right to arrest him for obstruction. He was obstructing them from doing their job and keeping the border secure. All this video does is show folks how to get across the border without being searched.
if they had a right to arrest don't you think they would have?
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Or, maybe if we had a free press that was the watchdog for the people, maybe that would make a difference too.
Certainly having an effective free press is essential to a functioning democracy, in fact I would say one of the challenges our country faces is the decline of the newspapers and there ability to cover local government. A lot of stuff happens at city council meetings and hearings, stuff that needs sunlight.
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Yessir
They also have the right to arrest him for obstruction. He was obstructing them from doing their job and keeping the border secure. All this video does is show folks how to get across the border without being searched.
This was 30 miles inland from the border.
How far past the border would a person need to be to not be guilty of obstructing "keeping the border secure"?
50 miles?
100miles?
500 miles?
Regards,
Sun
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In the UK they are passing a law to allow the police and government to view all internet traffic. :)
we have lots of cameras in Britain to view the public. :)
The reason for this is that the powers that be know that when the "Recession" properly takes hold there will be civilian unrest. :)
Oh by the the recession has not even started yet :rofl
The middle classes will have to blame someone for there woes, because they have portfolios, who will it be this time?
The working classes don't matter they are watching the X factor and repeats of Bonanza :)
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This was 30 miles inland from the border.
How far past the border would a person need to be to not be guilty of obstructing "keeping the border secure"?
50 miles?
100miles?
500 miles?
Regards,
Sun
how far can you travel in the desert?
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He has the right not to answer. What about that? Not to mention he did nothing wrong or they would not have let him go.
Of course he has the right, but that is not the point. I consider it common courtesy - the driver just wanted to be argumentative. If he lives down in that area, he should know just as well as anyone why those checkpoints are necessary.
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Of course he has the right, but that is not the point. I consider it common courtesy - the driver just wanted to be argumentative. If he lives down in that area, he should know just as well as anyone why those checkpoints are necessary.
Talk to the TSA about common courtesy.
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He has issues with Border policy so he takes it out on some poor souls who have no control over it. :rolleyes: They had to determine if he was a smuggler or just a Dick. They let him go so they know.
Lets all be jerks to each other it makes for such a lovely world don't it. :noid
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If the easy, trouble-free response "Yes I am an American citizen." is all that is required to pass this checkpoint then would a sign prominently displayed stating as much should be sufficient to pass?
Of course not.
If a "canned answer" is all that is required then this is a pointless exercise in "border security" that is easily bypassed by the bad guys and serves no purpose.
How far should we allow authority to get out of hand before it is an issue?
Would this far be too far?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE
Regards,
Sun
The vehicle was getting a quick once over by the dog/dogs.