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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: 68valu on October 26, 2012, 05:53:50 PM
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found this limited time offer and downloaded a copy as well as purchased a second one from staples:
http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/321118
So far it seems to be decent for my needs, but thats upgrading from XP.
remember this is an upgrade only not for new builds or fresh installs. Read the ad to be sure its what you need.
68valu
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The best Windows 8 update will cost you nothing as you should not do it to start with.
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I would check out some reviews, before installing Windows 8. This is one of many that I've come across.
According to this review, even some of the basic things, such as mouse navigation and clicking, have become more complex.
Windows 8 Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw)
Coogan
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I watched the video, its like the "Windows Media Center" which is alright to play things but complete plop standing on your head and doing a cartwheel to change things like sound settings :)
I presume there are 100 people with degrees in flower arranging putting input into this project.
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The best Windows 8 update will cost you nothing as you should not do it to start with.
Whats the problem(s) with 8 that you are aware of?
68valu
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its meant for tablets
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its meant for tablets
That in itself does not make it a bad pc operating system. Im not saying its the best or right thing to do, but so far I have been pleased with its performance. It runs the game just fine on my PC, however I have not tried many other common PC tasks with it yet.
68valu
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That in itself does not make it a bad pc operating system.
Yes. It does. Tablets and PCs are not the same. They are vastly different. Would you have the same OS on your PDA? If you had a PDA anymore? Would you have the same OS on your phone as your PC? No. That's what they're doing. This is a mobile ap OS. It has no business being on de facto PCs.
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If you want to support Microsoft being able to tell you what you can install and what you cannot install on your computer, then that is your choice.
If you want to give even more information to Microsoft than ever before, that is your choice.
If you like being spied on, that is your choice.
If you like that any and all information, on your computer, can be made available to law enforcement without any type of warrants, then that is your choice.
Windows 7 is bad enough, but 8 takes it all to new levels.
The day is coming where you will not be able to own any applications. You will rent them, paying to use them for a specific time. This is where Microsoft is going and each iteration of the OS, they bring it one step closer to reality. If that is what you want, then by all means, go out and buy Windows 8.
For me, Windows 7 is the last OS I will own from Microsoft. I will not support the direction they are taking. I hope most people will make that same choice.
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If you want to support Microsoft being able to tell you what you can install and what you cannot install on your computer, then that is your choice.
If you want to give even more information to Microsoft than ever before, that is your choice.
If you like being spied on, that is your choice.
If you like that any and all information, on your computer, can be made available to law enforcement without any type of warrants, then that is your choice.
Windows 7 is bad enough, but 8 takes it all to new levels.
The day is coming where you will not be able to own any applications. You will rent them, paying to use them for a specific time. This is where Microsoft is going and each iteration of the OS, they bring it one step closer to reality. If that is what you want, then by all means, go out and buy Windows 8.
For me, Windows 7 is the last OS I will own from Microsoft. I will not support the direction they are taking. I hope most people will make that same choice.
WOW, sorry I started the thread.
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Don't be. It's important to know this stuff.
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Don't be. It's important to know this stuff.
Exactly. I think we should be considered fortunate to have people like Skuzzy who can wrap up a plethora of nonsense looking jargon into half a dozen easy reading lines. Although I work with Windows PCs, I can't boast to have the capability needed to sort out such weighed arguments from all the publications by marketing departments, fanbois and squeakbots, all looking trustworthy.
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wow, we have human rights, aye?
Pretty shocking to hear this.
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I am not a Human but a beautiful Giraffe :old:
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The best Windows 8 update will cost you nothing as you should not do it to start with.
so what is the alternative based on the need to update my windows XP systems?
All I use these 2 systems i'm needing to update, is primarily Aces High.
68valu
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Were it me Valu, I'd go with Win7
Wurz
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so what is the alternative based on the need to update my windows XP systems?
All I use these 2 systems i'm needing to update, is primarily Aces High.
68valu
windows 7 64 bit. get it while you can. or the 32 bit if your system cant handle 64 bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
semp
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If you can get "pro" (if you can save the money because of Windows' ABSURD pricing) it comes with 32 and 64 bit versions. That way you can install what you need. It also supports way more RAM for the x64 version so it will last longer. Remember we had XP for almost 10 years it seems. It was... what? 7 years? That's a long time. In that time I went from thinking 1GB of ram was awe-inspiring to thinking "Meh... maybe I should have got 32GB instead of 24GB for this computer...."
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krusty what do you run on your computer that needs 24gb of ram? I have 16 and i hardly use more than 30% of it. as for having 32 it's a waste of money for gaming. I hink 16 is
semp
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I hope HTC does a favor for us, don't include Windows 8 support with AH. I know this is going to happen anyway but it doesn't hurt to try.
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so what is the alternative based on the need to update my windows XP systems?
All I use these 2 systems i'm needing to update, is primarily Aces High.
68valu
Windows 7 is a better solution than Windows 8. Maybe if Windows 8 bombs bad enough Microsoft will rethink the path they are taking. Not that I would hold my breath, but we have to try. If we do not try, then they absolutely have no impetus to alter the direction they are taking.
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krusty what do you run on your computer that needs 24gb of ram? I have 16 and i hardly use more than 30% of it. as for having 32 it's a waste of money for gaming. I hink 16 is
semp
I really don't NEED it, but RAM is dirt cheap and buffering against future technological progress is good. As for what I can use it for, large graphics files with many layers, multiple programs running on different cores at the same time, video editing projects, and if I'd got the 32 GB I'd be more comfortable assigning a chunk of it to a RAMdisk and then using that for in-game footage recording with no read/write bottleneck.
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I really don't NEED it, but RAM is dirt cheap and buffering against future technological progress is good. As for what I can use it for, large graphics files with many layers, multiple programs running on different cores at the same time, video editing projects, and if I'd got the 32 GB I'd be more comfortable assigning a chunk of it to a RAMdisk and then using that for in-game footage recording with no read/write bottleneck.
it's not dirt cheap it's 50 bucks per 8 gb. but for the average gamer 8 is more than enough. and staying with 8 gb of ram and windows home premium will save about 160 bucks which is another monitor you can buy or maybe trakir.
as for buffering just about everything is obsolete in less than 1 year. having extra ram that you will never use wont help you with that.
semp
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I disagree. First, 8GB for $50? You don't consider that cheap???
Not all that long ago, it was $125 per GB! RAM prices have been in virtual free-fall for years now, and the quality of the product and its speed have been constantly improving.
And, yes, you can buffer for future tech improvements. My PC was built over a year ago and is still ahead of the curve. I built it myself so I could pick and choose which components went into it while keeping price down. RAM is one area that will help. For example as OSs and programs gain more and more code bloat they will require more RAM over time. By having RAM now, I don't need to get more later. Also, with x64 architecture, you get much more RAM addressing, but because of this every program you run requires more ram to run by default. Think of it as the allocatable blocks are larger, so even if a program uses a minimum of RAM, it still reqires X amount. That amount has increased as compared to the x32 architecture. Overall this is worth it, but it is something to keep in mind.
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The best part of The Window 8 Upgrade.............
Was uninstalling it, and getting a refund !
It is a complete POS !
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Krusty,
the DDR3 will be soon enough replaced with the DDR4, maybe 2 years?
Nowadays CPUs and programs dont really use more than 8GB, 16 is overkill for every possible situation, do you think in 2 years it will increase to 32GB to be worthy to buy that?
So in 2 years, you might change your platform to a DDR4 one, get a new mobo, a new CPU, and throw out the aging DDR3 in the way, you have never ever used more than the half of it.
In that case if you dont change, your CPU is going to be too weak to handle that amazing amount of data, just like its practically useless to give a Pentium4 more than 2GB.
But its your choice anyway, if you have a load of money to be thrown out through the window...
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I'm thinking similarly to Debrody. Maybe it's a European or even Finno-Ugric way to think about the future... :P
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The best part of The Window 8 Upgrade.............
Was uninstalling it, and getting a refund !
It is a complete POS !
After running it for about 5 days, I'm not happy either. you cant shut down without installing updates if updates are available, for some reason the uninstall process for programs does not work properly and it is very hard to navigate around in.
68valu
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Nowadays CPUs and programs dont really use more than 8GB, 16 is overkill for every possible situation, do you think in 2 years it will increase to 32GB to be worthy to buy that?
Wouldn't that depend on usage? For example, I use my PC primarily as a workstation, gaming is, more or less, an afterthought. Running couple of Adobe CS applications, few Autodesk applications, etc, and 16GB becomes inadequate rather quickly. 32GB feels about right, and one or two VMs on top won't bog down the machine too much either.
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Krusty,
the DDR3 will be soon enough replaced with the DDR4, maybe 2 years?
For a new build, if you are going to build new every single time, yes, it will be replaced. With my motherboard, my socket type, my available PCIe slots, my RAM slots, I can stick with DDR3 for longer than that and still remain competitive. My last build was upgraded many times over the years without a full overhaul. That means while software kept updating my hardware could cope with it.
Here's a practical example: Sometime back, probably the release of AH2, the RAM use of the game increased. My system started chugging along. I had 512MB of ram at the time, and increasing that to 1GB made a difference, while leaving the rest of my hardware the same. So as the ram requirements increase I can do more with my equipped RAM. I do agree 24GB is more than I'll really need, but if I devote 16GB to a RAM disk that would still leave me 8GB for general use. The problem is 16GB goes fast when recording full screen FRAPs footage.
I've thought it out and considered it carefully. I'm not saying everyone should get 2 TB of RAM. I am saying it's an option you want. I've had too many older motherboards and computer systems that capped RAM at 1GB or 2GB well after the OSs and software had progressed well past that level of memory usage. Those systems soldiered on. By buying an OS version that has 8GB vs one that has vastly higher caps, it doesn't mean you HAVE to have that RAM. It means you can if you need to.
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krusty nobody disagrees with you that having a bit more ram while doing video editing is bad. what they're saying is that hving more than 8 for the average gamer is a waste and buying more than 16 just to protect them against future upgrades is not a good idea. any future upgrades that will come up that will actually use more than 8 other than video editing or some work related projects arent happening in the near future.
the older computers came with 1 or at most 2 gigs of ram is because most were sold to people who didnt know. I thought I had a good deal when I spent 1600 on a computer that I thought was top of the line with 1 gig of ram and 250 gb hd. then I came here to the boards and realized that I could have gotten a kick donut computer for 1/2 the price. so I upped the ram to 3. then I traded that computer to an e8400 with 8 gb of ram then 2 years ago I upgraded to my current with 16 gb of ram. I couldn't transfer my ram from the e8400 to the sandy bridge as it wasnt compatible.
I do video editing like you do and found out that 16 is more than enough as I dont do it for a living. as for when I play games I dont even use 4 gb of ram playing and having netflix on one screen while on the other I am browsing the bb.
semp
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I sorely need more RAM.....I have 4 gigs and man could I use 32......doing 3d modeling I can not do what I need to....as soon as I get to 1.5 million verts my system crashes..... :bhead :bhead :bhead driving me nuckin futs :bhead :bhead :bhead
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semp, a few years ago I bought 4GB of DDR2-800 for $100 or so...yes ram is very cheap now. For the same price I now have 16GB of DDR3-1600.
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semp, a few years ago I bought 4GB of DDR2-800 for $100 or so...yes ram is very cheap now. For the same price I now have 16GB of DDR3-1600.
question wasnt about 16 but more like what do you need 24 or 32 for. I bought the first 8 for almost 100 bucks the next 8 for 60 bucks. and to be honest with you I dont need 16 for gaming but I need them to make ah movies for myself. I cant get more than 16 as I only have 4 slots and anything bigger then 4gb of ram is way more expensive or slower than the ram i currently have at 4gb. so I dont see the point of getting more than 16.
the average user will never use more than 4 gb of ram. so 8 is more than they need.
semp