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Title: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 06, 2012, 11:51:34 PM
Everytime i fly and there are clouds i notice the flicker black once in awhile.I have a brand new comp with a 15-3570k and ati 7850 2gb gpu with 8 gigs of ram.I play some other games and everything works fine.I have all settings maxed out with 8192 shadows and full antialis.Is there anything i can do to fix this problem?Please advise.\

Thank you
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: Skuzzy on November 07, 2012, 06:21:32 AM
Your video card does not have enough video RAM to run with a shadow size of 8192 with full anti-aliasing (note, 8x anti-aliasing with a shadow texture size of 8192 requires a full 2GB of video RAM all by itself).  Your card would need more than 4GB of RAM to do so.

Reduce the shadow texture size.  If you are running with environmental mapping enabled, and full anti-aliasing, set the texture size to 1024.  That should help.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 07, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
Ok i will try this.When i hit ctrl i it says i am only using 17mbs of my vid card memory.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: Skuzzy on November 07, 2012, 02:16:12 PM
Ok i will try this.When i hit ctrl i it says i am only using 17mbs of my vid card memory.

That is due to Microsoft changing the way the function we use to get the available memory from the video card.  They broke it for DirectX 9 games in Vista/Windows 7 & 8.  We have to figure out a different way to do it.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 09, 2012, 11:00:45 PM
Still have the same problem with the clouds flickering.Its not all the time but its annoying.Is there any other way i can try to fix this?

Thank you for helping Skuzzy.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: Skuzzy on November 10, 2012, 06:09:19 AM
Still have the same problem with the clouds flickering.Its not all the time but its annoying.Is there any other way i can try to fix this?

Thank you for helping Skuzzy.

Try going to the extreme and disable all the advanced graphics and do not force anything in the driver.  I know there have been some issues with the latest ATI drivers, but this is a new one.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 11, 2012, 04:09:12 AM
I have tried everything.I turned of vsync with everything off and get around 470fps but clouds still flicker.I play other games with no issue at all.I have run benchmarks on my gpu and everything seems fine.I didnt have this problem with my 6 year old Nvidia card.Of course nothing looked as good but the clouds didnt do this.Anything else i can try?Should i try calling ATI support?
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: Skuzzy on November 11, 2012, 05:52:47 AM
I have tried everything.I turned of vsync with everything off and get around 470fps but clouds still flicker.I play other games with no issue at all.I have run benchmarks on my gpu and everything seems fine.I didnt have this problem with my 6 year old Nvidia card.Of course nothing looked as good but the clouds didnt do this.Anything else i can try?Should i try calling ATI support?

Have you tried different drivers?

Be sure to enable vertical sync.  I assume you were only testing without it enabled, but the game will not run right with vertical sync disabled.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 11, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
yes sir my vsync was only off for testing.I have tried 12.08 12.10 and beta driver 12.11 and same thing with all of them.Everything else in game is amazing its just the clouds.I sent a email to HIS which is my gpu manufac.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: Skuzzy on November 12, 2012, 06:02:23 AM
yes sir my vsync was only off for testing.I have tried 12.08 12.10 and beta driver 12.11 and same thing with all of them.Everything else in game is amazing its just the clouds.I sent a email to HIS which is my gpu manufac.

Did you purge the drivers before swapping each of them out?
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: gyrene81 on November 12, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
did you turn off anti-aliasing in ah and in the amd vision control center? if you haven't done it yet, set up a graphics profile with the correct settings for ah in the vision control center to use when you're going to play ah.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 12, 2012, 01:20:52 PM
How do you purge the drivers?
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 12, 2012, 01:24:09 PM
did you turn off anti-aliasing in ah and in the amd vision control center? if you haven't done it yet, set up a graphics profile with the correct settings for ah in the vision control center to use when you're going to play ah.

Why would i want AA off?Game doesnt look good with it off.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: Skuzzy on November 12, 2012, 01:42:16 PM
Why would i want AA off?Game doesnt look good with it off.

It is a suggestion to see what could be causing the problem.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 12, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
I will try turning it off.How do i purge the drivers?
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: gyrene81 on November 12, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
How do you purge the drivers?
you uninstall, then use a program like driversweeper, reboot then install the new. each time you have to reset the vision control center settings.

Why would i want AA off?Game doesnt look good with it off.
i don't personally see much in the way of differences with my 6950. did you at least set aa and af to application controlled in the vision control center?

Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 12, 2012, 01:54:06 PM
Ok even with AA off it still does it even in offline play.The clouds have no effect on my frame rates instead they just seem to flicker.
I am grateful for your help guys  :aok
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: Skuzzy on November 12, 2012, 01:58:17 PM
I will try turning it off.How do i purge the drivers?

Using the "Add/Remove" utility that comes with drivers does not clean out the registry, nor many of the files drivers install.  From time to time these 'remnants' can cause problems with updates to those drivers.

Using a third party utility, to remove all the driver remnants, insures your driver updates are done correctly.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: kilz on November 13, 2012, 10:36:42 AM
numb1 what they are saying is get some software to clean out your old drivers.

just because you deleted them does not mean they are gone. they leave whats called a ghost file behind.

here is a link to some free software that helps remove those ghost drivers


http://www.ilovefreesoftware.com/03/windows/system-utils/driver-sweeper-free-software-to-remove-drivers.html
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 13, 2012, 05:02:15 PM
Thanx for the help guys.As of now i think i got the problem fixed.I have to set the AA mode to supersample which is higher quality and it fixes the problem,At least has fixed in testing.It drops my fps down to about 50 with everything maxed out but i can deal with that.I had it set to multisample when i was getting cloud issue for better performance.

Thanx again guys i will update when i put some more time into game and let everyone know if this is permanent fix.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on November 28, 2012, 01:26:30 AM
Now i seem to be getting artifacts in game play.I will be flying and it looks like a bullet goes by but no one is there.I will be in the tower and there will be alot of shapes and tears.Guess i have a bad vid card.I am going to get this card RMA today.
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: RTHolmes on November 28, 2012, 04:38:06 AM
I could be wrong but I understand you should have the AA in the control panel set to "Applicaion Controlled", then use the AA slider in AH to change it? :headscratch:
Title: Re: Clouds Flickering
Post by: numb1 on December 03, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
Ok got my new Gpu and tried again and same problems.I went to AMD forums and looked up my problems.There seems to be alot of people getting these same flickering and artifacts with AMD 7xxx gpus and the new drivers from 12.8 on.I downloaded 12.4 and no problems.Amd seems to know about these issues and is working on new drivers.

RT even if i set AA to app controlled i have to choose what kind of AA i need to use supersample or multisample.Now i can use either and no probs with older drivers. <S> Holmes

Thanks Guys for the help.