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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DR7 on November 11, 2012, 08:54:59 AM
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If this has been hashed over before I’m sorry for listing it again. I don’t spend much time on the BB. Thought this could make a fun discussion. Does ranking matter beyond bragging rights?
I say ya. As per my posting on chaser’s rounds going through tanks:
Let me post a probabilite. The following is just projection on my part. Here we go, try to stay with me on this. Players with lower overall ranks are harder to kill than a player with a higher overall rank. Not just the skill represented by being a low rank, say under 400, but built into the code. Such a rank is given a slightly harder object to kill and also a slightly higher lethal rounds. Just something I've noticed over the years of play.
I have a lot to say on this but don't wont to raddle on. So what do you think?
dr7 - Distructo Dave
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I don't think so. The game is touted as fair, everyone having a equal chance. If you start adding in variables due to skill in the coad then your taking away that chance at fairness. Skill on the other hand adds a lot. A skilled player is harder to kill, and wins more fights because they ARE skilled. Ranking on the other hand has nothing to do with skill in fighting, but in skill in working the system.
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I don't think so. The game is touted as fair, everyone having a equal chance. If you start adding in variables due to skill in the coad then your taking away that chance at fairness. Skill on the other hand adds a lot. A skilled player is harder to kill, and wins more fights because they ARE skilled. Ranking on the other hand has nothing to do with skill in fighting, but in skill in working the system.
Hi Fugitive.
Thanks for your thoughts, your wording "working the system" is sooooo true.
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The only thing I have ever seen rank do for anyone in the game is control the CV, as best I can tell there is no other advantage!
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Gaining a good rank in game is very boring and not fun :old:
Chasing Ju88s or TBMs whilst flying a Typhoon is most excellent :)
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Gaining a good rank in game is very boring and not fun :old:
Chasing Ju88s or TBMs whilst flying a Typhoon is most excellent :)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTMeAPq52suKtGVAluNIoiQrJUH7bDvFDwdHkCqKHo2BpidukTORjJjarrt)
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Ok, this is where i get to raddle on. You don’t have to waste your time reading this to get to the subject of this posting. This is what happens when my wife and I are baby setting at my sons home and I can’t play the game, lol.
1. Many ways to play this game. With that statement I'm saying ranking does not make a player. Many players play for ranking, many play for kills only, many play for trying to rtb and so on and so on. The only thing that counts here is this is a players choice and no one way is better than the other way. I do have an exception. We all have seen this I'm sure. A play jumps in to help a play in need. The player in need flees off in the distance leaving the player that came in to go up in flames. So many skilled players have a poor ranking.
2. What I have noticed about ranking. Over and over again. Time and time again. I have shot a player knowing that I know this is a good kill shot just to notice the shot did not kill the player. The issue, the player has a great ranking, say under 200 and my ranking is in the 1000s. Over and over again. Time and time again. I'll one shot kill a player where I know that was not a well-placed round and/or at a distance shot. Boom, he dies. Check the player ranking, yep he has a ranking over say 1500 and my rank is down below say 400. I don’t fly much anymore but can tell you I have also noticed this in the air. Don’t believe me. Start keeping track. This is not a true statement all the time but if you do your due diligence over time it proves to be so. Well, this is what I have found over the years of play.
3. This leads to players crying cheat. The opposite is also true. Before my main raid was the M18 and even to a lesser extent with the M18 I could take many shots that would generally killed another play. Between the killing of the player with a questionable shot and surviving rounds that would have killed other players, it has become easier for the moderate or newcomer to cry cheat than to learn the system or as The Fugitive stated “working the system.”
4. The game rules. It is just game play. Game play is game play and crap happens.
5. Oooo what an ego. Come on, so many cry because they die when playing a war game, can you imagine that! Thanks to Wizer for number 5. Better they take the time and learn the above.
Well, got to go play UNO with the kids, aren’t you glad I have to stop raddling?
dr7 – Distructo Dave
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:headscratch:
are you trying to say that players with a lower "rank" are actually given tougher planes to shoot down? or more "hit points" as it were?
if so that is absurd and so far from true its hilarious and makes me :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl and someone is a bit :noid
my rank sux arse I am always in the 2000 rank mark.....but routinely kill those that are far better "ranked" then me....Rank means squat.....and certainly HTC does not give special "hit points/tougher planes" to lower ranked guys.
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Ranking per se doesn't tell if a pilot is good or not. A poor rank may be due to specializing in one plane only, a high rank can easily be achieved by using all vehicle types in the game. Thus a poorly ranked specialist can be very hard to kill unless he is trying an unfamiliar ride. Or vice versa a highly ranked guy in a pony can be an easy target because of his inability to take full advantage of the plane.
Another thing is the Internet lag. Although the code equalizes ping times quite nicely, it does make a little difference if your ping time is 50 ms compared to 200 ms. Not to mention those, who think they can have a peer to peer program doing things in the background without any effect to gameplay...
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Let me post a probabilite. The following is just projection on my part. Here we go, try to stay with me on this. Players with lower overall ranks are harder to kill than a player with a higher overall rank.
DR7, you usually have a very crappy overall rank.
Yet when I'm fighting against you, I constantly hear whines of you having a "special" tank, with more armor and more lethal projectiles on local range channel and on country chat :lol
Kinda put things back into perspective, doesn't it? ;)
It's all about perception :old:
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I would not be a fan, just as I am not in things like Call of Duty where you get "perks" - it turns into everyone getting "uber" and skills as well as tactics just go the wayside. I want global changes that have the same affect on everyone.
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2. What I have noticed about ranking. Over and over again. Time and time again. I have shot a player knowing that I know this is a good kill shot just to notice the shot did not kill the player. The issue, the player has a great ranking, say under 200 and my ranking is in the 1000s. Over and over again. Time and time again. I'll one shot kill a player where I know that was not a well-placed round and/or at a distance shot. Boom, he dies. Check the player ranking, yep he has a ranking over say 1500 and my rank is down below say 400. I don’t fly much anymore but can tell you I have also noticed this in the air. Don’t believe me. Start keeping track. This is not a true statement all the time but if you do your due diligence over time it proves to be so. Well, this is what I have found over the years of play.
I can hardly wait until you apply this theory to the collision model. :lol
Your theory requires HTC to have secret code that makes the game unfair and they haven't told anyone about it. :noid
HTC wouldn't get any benefit from this, in fact it would hurt the game and is clearly antagonistic to their policy of providing a level playing field.
Edit: Also, if you bothered to read it, Hitech explained why your perception is wrong in this thread. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,340565.15.html
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I believe rank and scoring have no bearing on how "hard coded" items perform in AH. If I have a rank of 148 and the guy next to me in the same exact tank has a rank of 1324 and we both shoot at an enemy tank at 1600 yards distance, there will be no difference in how the projectile performs against the enemy tank. The differences will be player induced: angel of impact, etc. If I hit straight up in the turret of that enemy tank I may be able to bust through, the guy next to me may hit the extreme side of the turret of the enemy tank and glance his round off.
There is no difference based on rank.
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if your rank...change your socks and tidy your room..
carry on .. :salute
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2. What I have noticed about ranking. Over and over again. Time and time again. I have shot a player knowing that I know this is a good kill shot just to notice the shot did not kill the player. The issue, the player has a great ranking, say under 200 and my ranking is in the 1000s. Over and over again. Time and time again. I'll one shot kill a player where I know that was not a well-placed round and/or at a distance shot. Boom, he dies. Check the player ranking, yep he has a ranking over say 1500 and my rank is down below say 400. I don’t fly much anymore but can tell you I have also noticed this in the air. Don’t believe me. Start keeping track. This is not a true statement all the time but if you do your due diligence over time it proves to be so. Well, this is what I have found over the years of play.
I notice this exact situation happening all the time...
I'll crush players with my 4x50s in the right spot, and for some reason the low number ranked players don't even bleed... after multiple attacks they'll eventually go down; however, the higher number rank players would have popped with only a quarter to half the rounds in them.
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I have observed that the lower # your rank, the more likely you are to pm someone who kills you. :D
usually always someone in the top 250.
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I ranked in the top 100 last tour (as Cree). :banana:
:headscratch: Does it matter? :frown:
Fighting skill and prowess matter. :old:
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It matters so much that I never look at it
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rank is usually an indicator of timidness,the lower the # the more "carefull" the pilot
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rank is usually an indicator of timidness,the lower the # the more "carefull" the pilot
+100 rank means nothing more than an ego Stroker and a knowledge of how to game the game for lower score
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The only thing I have ever seen rank do for anyone in the game is control the CV, as best I can tell there is no other advantage!
This is about the ONLY thing ranking is good for. If you are a lower rank, you can control a CV over a higher rank. Most of the time, this is a good thing. Otherwise, rank doesn't matter so long as you are enjoying the game for what it is, and nothing else. If you like to fight to the death, then go for it, if you like to land your kills or bomb runs, then good on you. If you like to run troops, then good on you, if you like the furball, then good on you.
My perspective is just this, play the game the way you like. If you kill me because I was engaged with someone else, and I die as a result of the pick, then shame on me for no SA. This happens to me often. In LW, I choose not to fly cannon planes most of the time. I try to better my aim. I know some guys that get accused of having "aimbot". Here is what is actually happening, most of those guys that have a seemingly remarkable shot take the time in the TA to mark their monitors. Called death dots. It helps get a quicker kill. I personally can't justify marking my $400 monitor, so I am "average" at best. Some of those guys have better ranking. But I can assure you that my squad, don't care about score or ranking.
Our philosohpy is that you play your game. In our squad, we play with and for eachother. How you are ranked is what it is. I agree that the scoring and ranking could be tweaked and I believe their are other threads regarding that very issue. But fo rnow, some will game the game for ranking or status. I personally don't care who is ranked and how they came to be that rank.
The bottom line is that rank only impacts who can control a CV, and nothing more.
My 2 cents!!!
:rock
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This is about the ONLY thing ranking is good for. If you are a lower rank, you can control a CV over a higher rank. Most of the time, this is a good thing. Otherwise, rank doesn't matter so long as you are enjoying the game for what it is, and nothing else. If you like to fight to the death, then go for it, if you like to land your kills or bomb runs, then good on you. If you like to run troops, then good on you, if you like the furball, then good on you.
My perspective is just this, play the game the way you like. If you kill me because I was engaged with someone else, and I die as a result of the pick, then shame on me for no SA. This happens to me often. In LW, I choose not to fly cannon planes most of the time. I try to better my aim. I know some guys that get accused of having "aimbot". Here is what is actually happening, most of those guys that have a seemingly remarkable shot take the time in the TA to mark their monitors. Called death dots. It helps get a quicker kill. I personally can't justify marking my $400 monitor, so I am "average" at best. Some of those guys have better ranking. But I can assure you that my squad, don't care about score or ranking.
Our philosohpy is that you play your game. In our squad, we play with and for eachother. How you are ranked is what it is. I agree that the scoring and ranking could be tweaked and I believe their are other threads regarding that very issue. But fo rnow, some will game the game for ranking or status. I personally don't care who is ranked and how they came to be that rank.
The bottom line is that rank only impacts who can control a CV, and nothing more.
My 2 cents!!!
:rock
:huh
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Death dots? what?? You could put a thousand dots around the screen and it would make no difference whatsoever. I'll tell you a secret, my mg/cannon aim is my strongest point. It is the easiest part of combat to learn imo, bullet trajectory is pretty predictable, foes are not. My acm is distinctly average and if my bag of tricks was bigger and more refined i would be the stone cold killer I aspire to be.
I'm not advocating the lazy ones leave btw , by all means, they are welcome to fight me anytime
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Death dots? what?? You could put a thousand dots around the screen and it would make no difference whatsoever. I'll tell you a secret, my mg/cannon aim is my strongest point. It is the easiest part of combat to learn imo, bullet trajectory is pretty predictable, flopping fishes are not. My acm is distinctly average and if my bag of tricks was bigger and more refined i would be the stone cold killer I aspire to be.
I'm not advocating the lazy ones leave btw , by all means, they are welcome to fight me anytime
Fixed.
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there are some real gems in this thread :rofl
I have shot a player knowing that I know this is a good kill shot just to notice the shot did not kill the player. The issue, the player has a great ranking, say under 200 and my ranking is in the 1000s. Over and over again. Time and time again. I'll one shot kill a player where I know that was not a well-placed round and/or at a distance shot. Boom, he dies. Check the player ranking, yep he has a ranking over say 1500 and my rank is down below say 400. I don’t fly much anymore but can tell you I have also noticed this in the air.
for some reason the low number ranked players don't even bleed... after multiple attacks they'll eventually go down; however, the higher number rank players would have popped with only a quarter to half the rounds in them.
Here is what is actually happening, most of those guys that have a seemingly remarkable shot take the time in the TA to mark their monitors. Called death dots. It helps get a quicker kill.
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If rank matters to you it is important. If it doesn't matter to you, then it isn't important. There is no correct answer other then if it helps you enjoy the game it's all good. I think many of us don't see it as a sign of excellence, but more a sign of time and energy available to put in the game. That doesn't mean that there aren't great sticks who attain high ranking. But one does not always connect to the other.
To me the only ranking that matters is how you rank the fun you are having playing the game. But I'm only speaking for myself
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Some of you need to step back and just think "Hey..maybe these guys are actually better than me". :angel:
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:OIt's so easy to rank low even a caveman could do it :O
Reguards
#21 so far this tour :confused:
(ps I bail from perfectly good airplanes quite often :eek:)
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No rank is just a game playable feature in the game But it can be manipulated easily.
ie: fighter score vulching counts same as air kills hence u may have 600 kills a month in fighter but if 576 are vulches then it says you can vulch
but in the air your a total noob that runs at the sight of any real talent u encounter thus hindering you from becoming a better pilot.
I learned this 9 years ago
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This is about the ONLY thing ranking is good for. If you are a lower rank, you can control a CV over a higher rank. Most of the time, this is a good thing. Otherwise, rank doesn't matter so long as you are enjoying the game for what it is, and nothing else. If you like to fight to the death, then go for it, if you like to land your kills or bomb runs, then good on you. If you like to run troops, then good on you, if you like the furball, then good on you.
My perspective is just this, play the game the way you like. If you kill me because I was engaged with someone else, and I die as a result of the pick, then shame on me for no SA. This happens to me often. In LW, I choose not to fly cannon planes most of the time. I try to better my aim. I know some guys that get accused of having "aimbot". Here is what is actually happening, most of those guys that have a seemingly remarkable shot take the time in the TA to mark their monitors. Called death dots. It helps get a quicker kill. I personally can't justify marking my $400 monitor, so I am "average" at best. Some of those guys have better ranking. But I can assure you that my squad, don't care about score or ranking.
Our philosohpy is that you play your game. In our squad, we play with and for eachother. How you are ranked is what it is. I agree that the scoring and ranking could be tweaked and I believe their are other threads regarding that very issue. But fo rnow, some will game the game for ranking or status. I personally don't care who is ranked and how they came to be that rank.
The bottom line is that rank only impacts who can control a CV, and nothing more.
My 2 cents!!!
:rock
I dont understand. Why would you put marks on your monitor? The option of making a custom gunsight is there if you are really that dependent on having marks for different angles and trajectories but even thats going to be dependent on how far you are from your target and how many G's he's pulling, plus this gives absolutely no benefit to someone with a TrackIR whatsoever. I've never seen or heard of someone 'marking' their monitor but if there really are people in this game that do that.... :rolleyes:
Anyway, back to the original topic. I highly doubt there's any type of conspiracy over the 'lower ranked players' taking more shots to kill. They are harder to kill because they know how to spoil your shot. If they seem like they are taking you down rather quickly, it's either because they got a lucky shot out or because they are taking accurate shots at you right in their convergence range. It only takes a quick burst of 6 .50 cals at convergence range to rip the wing off of a plane. Cannons are just as quick. The better players have trained themselves to shoot at their convergence point, unless other factors in the fight are prohibiting that. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I personally wont shoot unless I'm at my convergence and have at least a decent gun solution on the target. The less bullets used to take someone down, the better. Occasionally it does feel like it takes just about all of my ammo to kill someone, I'm sure everyone has fights like that at some point, but I wouldn't go as far as saying its only the lower ranked people that seem to not die.
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This is the one of the wildest ideas i have ever seen.
See, i got a very good rank yet i died just as easily as a total newb.
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Coombzy you know very well what Bruv does and stop trying to restart the "Dumpgate" scandal :old:
Nothing was ever done about his pre flight toilet shannigans, again his rank imbues him with a unfair advantage in game :old:
I know I am one of the best sticks in game yet I am nothing in the ranking score :cry
Ask NrShida,9th,Pipz and even Debrody, they will profess I am uber :old:
I owned Pervert,Coombzy and even Ink so the evidence is there :old:
If this problem is not rectified I will be forced to take part in a dirty protest :cry
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Some of you need to step back and just think "Hey..maybe these guys are actually better than me". :angel:
:aok
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Remember when I owned your 262 when I was on the deck Dolby :rofl
It was those rubber bullets and nothing to do with my prowess :rofl
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Coombzy you know very well what Bruv does and stop trying to restart the "Dumpgate" scandal :old:
Nothing was ever done about his pre flight toilet shannigans, again his rank imbues him with a unfair advantage in game :old:
I know I am one of the best sticks in game yet I am nothing in the ranking score :cry
Ask NrShida,9th,Pipz and even Debrody, they will profess I am uber :old:
I owned Pervert,Coombzy and even Ink so the evidence is there :old:
If this problem is not rectified I will be forced to take part in a dirty protest :cry
:rofl
I tried to get ya to test out the typh earlier today but got no response from ya.....I know.......... you were AFK right.
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Zack has always been better than me :cry
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Coombzy you know very well what Bruv does and stop trying to restart the "Dumpgate" scandal :old:
Nothing was ever done about his pre flight toilet shannigans, again his rank imbues him with a unfair advantage in game :old:
I know I am one of the best sticks in game yet I am nothing in the ranking score :cry
Ask NrShida,9th,Pipz and even Debrody, they will profess I am uber :old:
I owned Pervert,Coombzy and even Ink so the evidence is there :old:
If this problem is not rectified I will be forced to take part in a dirty protest :cry
You are more funny than good I would say :lol
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I notice this exact situation happening all the time...
I'll crush players with my 4x50s in the right spot, and for some reason the low number ranked players don't even bleed... after multiple attacks they'll eventually go down; however, the higher number rank players would have popped with only a quarter to half the rounds in them.
And my la7 and p51d are allways slow as a c47 :lol
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You are more funny than good I would say :lol
Zack is a good person... just not as "good" in flying.
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Whatever the deed is I plead guilty
real gems in this thread :)
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Dr7 is right.... I've noticed the same things. If anyone else doesnt see it, then they must be target fixated.
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It matters if it matters to you.
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:headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: Really? :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:
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No rank don't matter, I can easily list 10 of the top tankers in the game, none had a rank below 1,000 that I ever remembered.
Same for fighters and bombers.
Some people specialize in certain areas, some are generally decent in all areas. Some will focus on rank, and some won't.
Depends how you play the game, depends whether rank is important. In general? Nope.
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Rank is very important.
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Butcher is right.
The very best fighters got rid of the rank-shizz a loong time ago.
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The very very best fighters have even quit the game but still hangout on the forums!
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u mad dude?
im tired for this kind of shizzfest
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im tired for this kind of shizzfest
Don't think so. It is pretty obvious that you love rolling on it. If you wouldn't, you would have stopped posting a long time ago.
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Rank matters a great deal to me - When I go into a fight with somebody, I really quick check their rank on the roster, and if it is higher than mine, I get all scared and shakey and start sweating profusely in total fear of their awesomeness! If I see someone whose rank is in the single digits, I immediately just dive straight into the ground and give them a proxy kill to save myself the agony going down in a flaming coffin. :( :eek:
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Rank matters a great deal to me - When I go into a fight with somebody, I really quick check their rank on the roster, and if it is higher than mine, I get all scared and shakey and start sweating profusely in total fear of their awesomeness! If I see someone whose rank is in the single digits, I immediately just dive straight into the ground and give them a proxy kill to save myself the agony going down in a flaming coffin. :( :eek:
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Rank Smank, Dr7 Cheats, end of Story! :D
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I have a film that you would have to watch to believe. I just absolutely hammered these two guys before they finally succumbed. At first I thought wow I missed that shot. Then after review the number of hits was astronomical. If I knew how to make a film I would post it.