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Title: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 11, 2012, 11:35:05 AM: (http://www.51hangar.net/banners/MM_BANNER.jpg)

Historical Context
Overview
Summer 1942

The island of Malta has played a part in the history of the Mediterranean basin for more than 2,500 years. Carthaginians succeeded Phoenicians, followed by Romans, Arabs, Normans, Sicilians, French, Spaniards, the Knights of St John, Bonapartist French, and finally the British. Britain took possession of the island in 1800 and almost immediately turned it into a naval base. With the opening of the Suez Canal and the introduction of steam into the navy, Malta’s importance increased, and by World War I it figured heavily into British naval strategy.

World War II was to be no different. When Italy entered the war on June 10, 1940 Malta came under air attack from Sicily. There were 34 heavy AA guns and 8 light AA guns on the island. The air defense consisted of 3 Gloster Gladiators. Over the next two years efforts had been made to reinforce Malta. The early convoys were successful, but eventually the losses in men, ships and planes soared.

Air strength which defended the Island from Axis attacks was the lynchpin. 1941 could be called the "Hurricane Year" of Malta, but 1942 was definately the "Spitfire Year". The squadrons of the RAF deployed on the island lived and fought with Spitfires brought into the island. The main source of these aircraft was from aircraft carriers which penetrated the Mediterranean to a point west of Sicily and launched these land based planes from the decks before turning and running back west to Gibraltar. To aid in these takeoffs small chocks of wood were put into the flaps of the spitfires to allow partial flaps for takeoff. The flaps were then cycled down and the wood dropped away. In early July increased German air activity was wearing away the number of Spiftires available on the island. An attempt made in April to reinforce the squadrons on the island ended in disaster. The incoming planes were caught on the ground a large number were lost. It was decided that yet another run by a carrier needed to be made. On May 9, 1942 the USS Wasp made here second reinforcement run to Malta, launching 40 Spitfires in company with HMS Eagle to the island.

The history of convoys to Malta was long and bloody. The first convoy since September 1941 was ‘M.W. 10’ in March 1942 and only 3 ships made it to Malta and they were all sunk in the harbor. By the third summer of the war Malta was in trouble. Due to lack of fuel, ordinance, spare parts and planes it had ceased to be an offensive threat against the Afrika Korps supply lines from Italy. In June 1942 a dual attempt was made with one convoy Gibraltar and one from Alexandria. Only 2 ships of the 17 made it to Valetta. Malta was in dire straights. 26,000 tons of supplies were needed every month for the 270,000 inhabitants, and the June convoy brought only 15,000 tons into harbor. While Spitfires could be flown in from the western Mediterranean via aircraft carriers such as the USS Wasp and HMS Eagle, and aviation fuel could be brought in via submarine and HMS Welshman (a fast converted minelayer), food and fuel oil were needed in large quantities.

While the reinforcements of Spitfires aided the Royal Air Force's ability to hold the island, Malta was starving. The Admiralty in London looked at their resources and marshaled those available in a final all out effort to get the vitally needed supplies to the island. The operation was codenamed “Pedestal” and was to consist of 14 large fast ships including the American owned tanker Ohio, with 12,000 tons of fuel and oil aboard. The efforts of the Admiralty bore fruit. The assembled escort was formidable, the most powerful yet to accompany a Malta bound convoy. There were no less than 3 carriers, two modern fleet carriers Victorious and Indomitable and the veteran Eagle. Two battleships Rodney and Nelson were to lead the line of battle with 6 cruisers, an anti-aircraft cruiser, and 32 destroyers rounding out the escort. Spoiling raids upon Axis airfields on Sicily were laid on with strike aircraft from Malta and Liberators from the Middle East.

Malta, a 95 square mile island south of Sicily in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea. Fought over for centuries, the outbreak of the desert campaign in North Africa in 1940 found the island astride the Axis supply lines from mainland Europe to Africa. Malta was the center of some of the fiercest air battles of World War II. Savage sea battles were fought on the approaches to the island as desperate attempts to resupply the island were launched. The summer of 1942 was the peak of the battle for Malta. The whole Mediterranean theater hinged on the outcome. Join us for savage air battles and desperate sea battles. Fly for the Allies in the Spitfire V, Seafire, Martlet (F4F) Hurricane IIC, and B-24J. Or fly for the Axis as they strike Malta with their Bf-109Fs, C.202s, Ju-88A4s, Ju-87s and Me-110Cs. A powerful vortex is forming drawing in men and machines from all over the Mediterranean towards a small rocky island which is destined to go down in history. Join us for Mediterranean Maelstrom!

Anyone interested in being a CO for a side please submitt your name to Fencer51 on the forum via a PM. Date of the event is looking to be Marchish..
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Bruv119 on November 11, 2012, 12:43:18 PM: and there was me telling the mrs there won't be another one for ages :uhoh

and Malta too :cry

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c181/Bruv119/warrooms/P1000825.jpg)

a Big chair to fill indeed.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: cactuskooler on November 11, 2012, 01:39:40 PM: See you all in Marchish. :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on November 11, 2012, 05:36:14 PM: Hmmm. Spit Vs out of Malta. Sounds like fun to me :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on November 11, 2012, 05:47:48 PM: Quote from: Guppy35 on November 11, 2012, 05:36:14 PM
Hmmm. Spit Vs out of Malta. Sounds like fun to me :aok
Count me in with Corky I love Spitfires almost as much as my Mustangs :D
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Dace on November 11, 2012, 10:39:53 PM: "Fire Over Malta" was a blast way back when. Seems this is a remix of that scenario. Should be a good one. Can't wait!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: bacon8tr on November 11, 2012, 10:52:18 PM: I am there :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fish42 on November 11, 2012, 11:34:16 PM: Who ever gets to be the Allies CO, I put my hand up for the Hurri GL post. :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Devil 505 on November 11, 2012, 11:40:29 PM: What will the role of the B-24's be? Seems to be out of place for a defencive operation.

Otherwise, this looks damn good.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on November 12, 2012, 01:20:10 AM: What? No FW-190 A-5? uhh

OK

Count me in! I can fly a Bf109 F-4 if I have to.... Hard to see out of that box though :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: LCADolby on November 12, 2012, 03:50:27 AM: 109F.. No way am I missing that :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on November 12, 2012, 05:41:26 AM: I'll follow Fish into the teeth of the enemy in a Hurricane! :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on November 12, 2012, 09:21:28 AM: Looks like me and Ditto get to fight it out against each othet again :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Delirium on November 12, 2012, 10:14:44 AM: Any idea what time this event will run? If it starts at 3pm est, I will have to get divorced before I can sign up
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Wildcat1 on November 12, 2012, 10:42:42 AM: Quote from: Devil 505 on November 11, 2012, 11:40:29 PM
What will the role of the B-24's be? Seems to be out of place for a defencive operation.

Otherwise, this looks damn good.

Quote
Spoiling raids upon Axis airfields on Sicily were laid on with strike aircraft from Malta and Liberators from the Middle East.

I'm feeling Axis again, but if there are going to be Wildcats....

Tough decision for me
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 12, 2012, 11:48:15 AM: All scenarios are going to be at the afternoon time slot unless otherwise noted.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Flossy on November 12, 2012, 11:52:36 AM: Quote from: Fencer51 on November 12, 2012, 11:48:15 AM
All scenarios are going to be at the afternoon time slot unless otherwise noted.
Yay! :D Count me IN then.... :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: SEseph on November 12, 2012, 02:21:17 PM: I'll be there, and looking for a GL spot.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 12, 2012, 02:32:27 PM: It might be worthwhile to note that this time the Germans need alot of bomber pilots.

Also this scenario will be downsized in numbers.

And Devil505 I will get you that info later today.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: TheBug on November 12, 2012, 07:33:09 PM: Hoping it works out to be in March. :pray April runs the risk of cabin fever keeping me from being at the computer during a Sat. afternoon.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on November 12, 2012, 09:48:58 PM: 249 Squadron Spitfire VbTrops is my request :)

Not the flashy paint of 51s but they'll do!

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pedestal/MaltaSpitVbTrop.jpg)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pedestal/MaltaSpit.jpg)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fish42 on November 12, 2012, 11:15:49 PM: Quote from: Guppy35 on November 12, 2012, 09:48:58 PM
249 Squadron Spitfire VbTrops is my request :)

Not the flashy paint of 51s but they'll do!

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pedestal/MaltaSpitVbTrop.jpg)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pedestal/MaltaSpit.jpg)

I think its a bit nicer then the ponys,

(http://merlinsovermalta.gdenney.co.uk/images/bs_08.jpg)

Thats my hurri on your 7 o'clock. My IIc is getting repaired so I nicked one of the IIb's from another pilot. I wish we had the 12 gun hurri in the game so I could fly it for the frames. :airplane:
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on November 12, 2012, 11:26:24 PM: Merlin over Malta 2005 :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on November 12, 2012, 11:26:39 PM: Quote from: Guppy35 on November 12, 2012, 09:48:58 PM
249 Squadron Spitfire VbTrops is my request :)

Not the flashy paint of 51s but they'll do!

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pedestal/MaltaSpitVbTrop.jpg)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pedestal/MaltaSpit.jpg)

I've already got a name for mine..."The Yank"
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on November 13, 2012, 03:04:29 AM: Quote from: BFOOT1 on November 12, 2012, 09:21:28 AM
Looks like me and Ditto get to fight it out against each othet again :aok

Would be a great time again.

Hope to see you there
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on November 13, 2012, 07:53:57 AM: I'll be there no doubt about it :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: SlipKnt on November 13, 2012, 01:56:51 PM: This looks like a blast!!!

Seafire!!!!! I like CV ops!!!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: DrBone1 on November 13, 2012, 03:07:34 PM: Put me down with Corky!!! :x :x :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Pand on November 13, 2012, 03:59:02 PM: IN
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on November 13, 2012, 04:10:12 PM: Quote from: DrBone1 on November 13, 2012, 03:07:34 PM
Put me down with Corky!!! :x :x :x
Me too!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BushLT1 on November 13, 2012, 09:29:21 PM: I do a 202.... If we get few guys fly it. Yet 109f would fun also
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: RedBull1 on November 13, 2012, 09:51:17 PM: Corky, if you have an extra spot for a squadless noob this upcoming scenario, count me in with you bud :) :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on November 13, 2012, 10:02:28 PM: If I get a group you are in Red :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: RedBull1 on November 13, 2012, 10:23:36 PM: Quote from: Guppy35 on November 13, 2012, 10:02:28 PM
If I get a group you are in Red :)
:x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Wildcat1 on November 13, 2012, 10:27:17 PM: I think most of VF-17 will be flying Wildcats (BigRat and S1K1 want to fly 109s)
:salute
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on November 13, 2012, 10:29:31 PM: Quote from: Wildcat1 on November 13, 2012, 10:27:17 PM
I think most of VF-17 will be flying Wildcats (BigRat and S1K1 want to fly 109s)
:salute

SIK still feeling guilty for shooting down the CO in Frame 6? :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fish42 on November 13, 2012, 11:03:42 PM: Quote from: Wildcat1 on November 13, 2012, 10:27:17 PM
I think most of VF-17 will be flying Wildcats (BigRat and S1K1 want to fly 109s)
:salute

I am talking the pigs into flying the Hurris with me. I have 4-5 already say yes. Waystin, razor and more.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: kilo2 on November 13, 2012, 11:04:31 PM: You all will make juicy targets :lol
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on November 14, 2012, 03:33:30 AM: Quote from: DrBone1 on November 13, 2012, 03:07:34 PM
Put me down with Corky!!! :x :x :x

SPIT DWEEB! :rofl
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on November 14, 2012, 03:42:43 AM: I own you one Dr.Bone for that bounce in Frame 6 ending my day for me.... :joystick:
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: DrBone1 on November 14, 2012, 05:00:00 AM: :devil
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on November 14, 2012, 09:49:24 AM: Quote from: Fish42 on November 13, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
I am talking the pigs into flying the Hurris with me. I have 4-5 already say yes. Waystin, razor and more.

OK I'm prepared :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pedestal/HurriIICupdate.jpg)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on November 14, 2012, 10:26:05 AM: Quote from: Guppy35 on November 14, 2012, 09:49:24 AM
OK I'm prepared :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pedestal/HurriIICupdate.jpg)

Do you have anything in pink? :D
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: swareiam on November 14, 2012, 11:20:45 AM: I can go either way. :salute

(http://www.wingsofglorygallery.com/images/stukainmysights.jpg)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: ROC on November 14, 2012, 11:26:02 AM: I'm in, and flying Axis :D

Need some good COs for this. Come on guys, step up. Fencer and I did it, so you know it can't be that tough :rofl
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on November 14, 2012, 12:17:35 PM: (http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd476/AcesHighDitto/jg27late_4.jpg)
New plane, all painted and armed. Ready to go!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on November 14, 2012, 12:22:15 PM: Quote from: KCDitto on November 14, 2012, 12:17:35 PM
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd476/AcesHighDitto/jg27late_4.jpg)
New plane, all painted and armed. Ready to go!
My spit will be right on your six ;)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Zoney on November 14, 2012, 12:24:13 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on November 12, 2012, 11:48:15 AM
All scenarios are going to be at the afternoon time slot unless otherwise noted.

So, does that mean 3:00 Eastern ?
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: SEseph on November 14, 2012, 12:43:46 PM: Quote from: swareiam on November 14, 2012, 11:20:45 AM
I can go either way. :salute

(http://www.wingsofglorygallery.com/images/stukainmysights.jpg)

I'm going Axis, I think you should too :D
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on November 14, 2012, 01:04:41 PM: Quote from: BFOOT1 on November 14, 2012, 12:22:15 PM
My spit will be right on your six ;)

On my 6 in flames as I fly past you having inserted a few 20MM rounds up your 6 :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on November 14, 2012, 01:13:32 PM: Quote from: KCDitto on November 14, 2012, 01:04:41 PM
On my 6 in flames as I fly past you having inserted a few 20MM rounds up your 6 :x

I do recall our last fight which left you with a radiator hit :D
Its a sign of things to come :old:
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 14, 2012, 01:22:08 PM: Quote from: Zoney on November 14, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
So, does that mean 3:00 Eastern ?

Yep
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fish42 on November 14, 2012, 05:27:14 PM: Quote from: waystin2 on November 14, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
Do you have anything in pink? :D

No. 69 Squadron flew pink PR Hurricanes from what I can gather.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Big Rat on November 14, 2012, 06:11:37 PM: Quote from: Guppy35 on November 13, 2012, 10:29:31 PM
SIK still feeling guilty for shooting down the CO in Frame 6? :)

I doubt it, Most of us found it quite amusing. We were actually hoping to shoot down SIK the entire time, and then finding out he shot down Branch was quite :lol

:salute
BigRat
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BushLT1 on November 14, 2012, 07:15:02 PM: Hey Fencer what skin for 109f4 fits best for this Scenario ... also 202 skin <S>
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 14, 2012, 07:41:50 PM: Dunno yet Bush.

Btw, You hurricane enthusiasts.. they are CV based... learn to land without hooks. :devil
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Devil 505 on November 14, 2012, 09:25:51 PM: Quote from: BushLT1 on November 14, 2012, 07:15:02 PM
Hey Fencer what skin for 109f4 fits best for this Scenario ... also 202 skin <S>
Jg 27 by Krusty for the 109F. I'm working on some alternatives, hopefully they'll be in game before Marchish.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on November 14, 2012, 09:54:24 PM: Quote from: Big Rat on November 14, 2012, 06:11:37 PM
I doubt it, Most of us found it quite amusing. We were actually hoping to shoot down SIK the entire time, and then finding out he shot down Branch was quite :lol

:salute
BigRat

I just remember SIK saying something to the effect of "Jeez I hope I didn't just shoot down a squaddie!" :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: branch37 on November 14, 2012, 10:17:23 PM: ha ha freakin ha :furious
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on November 14, 2012, 10:26:35 PM: Quote from: branch37 on November 14, 2012, 10:17:23 PM
ha ha freakin ha :furious
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fish42 on November 15, 2012, 12:08:27 AM: Quote from: Fencer51 on November 14, 2012, 07:41:50 PM
Dunno yet Bush.

Btw, You hurricane enthusiasts.. they are CV based... learn to land without hooks. :devil

How are we using IIc as CV aircraft. The Seahurri MkIIcs were not used at malta from what I have read. unless these are subs for the SeaHurricane MkIc... yeah I can see that. good thing the hurris are so easy to land slow.

But saying that land based Hurri IIcs where active in mid 42 I think.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 15, 2012, 12:37:31 AM: Hurri IICs were not at Malta in our time frame. They are a sub, but its been two years since i designed this, I gotta look back and figure out what I was thinking.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on November 15, 2012, 05:49:34 AM: Quote from: Fencer51 on November 14, 2012, 07:41:50 PM

Btw, You hurricane enthusiasts.. they are CV based... learn to land without hooks. :devil

GAH! :uhoh
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Nefarious on November 15, 2012, 06:32:25 AM: It can be done. Very easily in fact, a few times and you'll be a pro.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on November 15, 2012, 07:48:33 AM: Ken will this be set up like BoB has been in the past? In particular...Axis pilots getting one life in a fighter and one in a bomber? Or strictly one or the other?
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Wildcat1 on November 15, 2012, 08:07:50 AM: I'm gonna put my name in the ring for GL of one of the Wildcat squadrons :salute
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 15, 2012, 08:29:19 AM: Quote from: Stampf on November 15, 2012, 07:48:33 AM
Ken will this be set up like BoB has been in the past? In particular...Axis pilots getting one life in a fighter and one in a bomber? Or strictly one or the other?

Right now all the LW fighters do not have bombers as second lives. I do not see that changing. One group of 88s might get a second life as 87s.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on November 15, 2012, 08:34:07 AM: Quote from: Fencer51 on November 15, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
Right now all the LW fighters do not have bombers as second lives. I do not see that changing. One group of 88s might get a second life as 87s.

TY.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Triton28 on November 15, 2012, 11:32:33 AM: Sounds like a blast guys... count me in! :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: AKKuya on November 15, 2012, 03:44:58 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on November 15, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
Right now all the LW fighters do not have bombers as second lives. I do not see that changing. One group of 88s might get a second life as 87s.

The Stukas should get a second life in the Ju-88s. The Stukas are slow and easy to shoot down by spits and hurris. Having the Stukas get a second life will help in recruiting players to fly them.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on November 15, 2012, 03:54:12 PM: Fencer, do we have the map for this made up? If so can I look at it?

Thanks
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 15, 2012, 07:55:38 PM: Italy terrain.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: tunnelrat on November 17, 2012, 01:43:14 PM: Definitely count me in... scenarios are where this game truly shines!

:salute
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Devil 505 on November 17, 2012, 11:10:04 PM: Got Freidrich?
(http://s6.postimage.org/sdhovarct/109f_Jg53_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sdhovarct/)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Condor11 on November 24, 2012, 01:01:14 PM: Granted my return to active duty doesnt interfere too much, count me in on this one! I think ill be flying axis this go round!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Gnatz on November 24, 2012, 01:05:45 PM: Will happily fly in this one -- I may die, but it's GLORIOUS (and a little embarrassing for the allies :devil ) when StukaMob scores hits.

StukaMob FTW!!

Gnatzor
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Condor11 on November 24, 2012, 01:11:40 PM: I was considering the stuka. Especially if we get lives as 88s aswell :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Gnatz on November 24, 2012, 01:39:47 PM: Aye, the possibility of a 2nd life in a Ju88 would certainly make Stuka one heckuva lot more attractive!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 24, 2012, 06:21:29 PM: Please. Real men don't die in stukas.

Honestly, some of the best times in FSO is when I got stuck in a bomber, and had to fight/escape defenders.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 24, 2012, 10:52:01 PM: Originally I had thought not too, but it looks like 1 life in an 87 and 1 in an 88 sounds like the way to go.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Condor11 on November 25, 2012, 12:46:23 AM: Quote from: Fencer51 on November 24, 2012, 10:52:01 PM
Originally I had thought not too, but it looks like 1 life in an 87 and 1 in an 88 sounds like the way to go.

Personally i like the idea simply because i really like both bombers, but given one life ju88s would be far more decent survivabilty against the allie planeset. Hate to climb like a brick only to be intercepted by everything with wings
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on November 28, 2012, 10:43:01 AM: Will the introduction of the Sea Hurricane to the game change the Hurricane model we will be flying in the upcoming scenario?
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Brooke on November 28, 2012, 02:06:31 PM: Quote from: waystin2 on November 28, 2012, 10:43:01 AM
Will the introduction of the Sea Hurricane to the game change the Hurricane model we will be flying in the upcoming scenario?

I'd say we have exactly the model and even the skin we want:

"The Sea Hurricane is from 800 Naval Air Squadron based on the carrier HMS Indomitable during Operation Pedestal, the RN's costly supply mission to Malta in August 1942. This aircraft was flown by 800 Squadron's CO, Lt Cdr Bill Bruen. On the 12th August Bruen shot down three enemy bombers in this aircraft to bring his score up to seven."
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 28, 2012, 02:50:06 PM: Quote from: waystin2 on November 28, 2012, 10:43:01 AM
Will the introduction of the Sea Hurricane to the game change the Hurricane model we will be flying in the upcoming scenario?

Confused the heck outta me until I realized there must be an update. :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on November 28, 2012, 02:50:44 PM: Quote from: waystin2 on November 28, 2012, 10:43:01 AM
Will the introduction of the Sea Hurricane to the game change the Hurricane model we will be flying in the upcoming scenario?

Gotta be the the Sea Hurricane under these circumstances :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on November 28, 2012, 03:52:56 PM: Quote from: Guppy35 on November 28, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
Gotta be the the Sea Hurricane under these circumstances :)

Woohoo! This will be awesome. Breaking in a new bird in it's first scenario. :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 28, 2012, 04:53:15 PM: Quote from: waystin2 on November 28, 2012, 10:43:01 AM
Will the introduction of the Sea Hurricane to the game change the Hurricane model we will be flying in the upcoming scenario?

According to Greebo the sea huri is a Ib Ic hybrid with the 8 303 or 4 20mm option. So, definitely sea hurricane.. if it has been released.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on November 29, 2012, 08:03:43 AM: Any word on how many aircraft will make up a Luftwaffe Gruppe of Bf109F-4's ?
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on November 29, 2012, 11:42:45 AM: How many would you like it to be..
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on November 29, 2012, 12:05:20 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on November 29, 2012, 11:42:45 AM
How many would you like it to be..

:)

I would like it to be an ever increasing number...because so many people register and show up that we can't even accommodate them all...of course. :aok

Short of that...seeing as you so graciously asked... I am a fan of larger units, as I think you might guess...similar to the ones we just had in DGSII.

Full staffeln of 16 is ideal for my personal situation and likes, and my preferred number in Scenarios.

Of course...some scenario battlefield conditions may demand a less concentrated, and more numerous dispersal of available/projected forces. In that case I favor a lesser number over one that is only slightly reduced.

Staffeln of 12, I have found to be difficult to fully staff in this situation across the front(s), thus working against both concentration, and dispersal situations...

So I would prefer many staffeln of 8 aircraft in a situation calling for dispersal of numerous units across a large front.

It comes down to looking at what you would like to see vs, what you project you will see, in terms of attendance, against the minimum needs of the scenario as far as playability, and doing what you think will be best for all in the event. Some situations may enable units of all sizes...as a designer your judgement and organization of forces is second to none.

<S>
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on December 01, 2012, 03:27:43 PM: Well.

Attendance is the key, as we saw with DGS II we had full rosters going into the event and that was gone when the frames started. My entire unit disbanded and had to be rolled into JG/26. Even with that we had trouble filling 8 slots in one of the most famous Luftwaffe units. Not to mention the 16 slots we were alotted.

So I think we should have the main historical units inthe represented and have each side break them up into squadrons......

Just a thought
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on December 01, 2012, 04:24:58 PM: Could you elaborate on that? And give size examples..
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on December 01, 2012, 05:45:52 PM: Sure,

for example; JG/53 was the main Bf109 Unit in Sicily. That is an entire JagdGeshwader. That is roughly 192 aircraft.

What is the max turnout for a single side during a scenario event?

Is the Spring turnout larger then the summer one?

So, you as the writer tell me that I have JG/53 for fighters. OK I have 60 guys sign up to play. I break them up into 5 Stafflen with 3 GL (Gruppen) On Frame 1 day I have 40 show up... I have to roll the other Gruppen into Priority Stafflen to meet objectives.

Look at the Bomb groups turn out. We, or I just need to be fluid so we can adjust for turnout.

I realize I am being on the pessamistic side of things but I do not want to have a Gruppen with 4 pilots and 2 of them being walk-ons. Does that make sense?

Then there is the JU-88 situation, ohhhh boy. I like the 1 life in the Stuka and one in the 88 idea. But we are going to have to find bomber crews and units for them. Also the Italians had the Sparrowhawk bomber?

Just my gears turning.....sorry, If you want to set up a comand forum, I am ok with that. I don't mind discussing this in the open though.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Tank-Ace on December 02, 2012, 11:04:26 PM: I should know college plans by the time the events start, which will make me feel better about paying $15 a month again.

If my squadron CO will let me, and you need me to, I'll fly as a bomber. I may not be worth a whole lot as a fighter stick after close to a year and a half away from the game, but bombing is pretty easy, and in a Ju-87, what I aim at, I hit.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BaldEagl on December 03, 2012, 01:33:34 AM: Ditto,

A few scenarios ago I signed up to fly Spit XVI's (obviously Allied). It turned out the Spit XVI's were dropped and I was assigned a Spit XIV. Then the first frame only two of us showed up. We weren't reassigned, we just went out and did what we could with two of us. I don't think we ever got over four in a frame (the others were all walk-on's IIRC) and again, IIRC, our GL never made a single frame.

The point is I guess you just gotta roll with the punches.

As to the JU-87/JU-88 thing. A sortie in one of each would be a turn-off to me (who may want to fly a JU-87). I don't know how the map is laid out or what the flight times are but if it was me I'd rather have two or three lives in the Ju-87.

That said I haven't even decided if I'll participate or not and if I do which side I'll fly for so take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: LilMak on December 04, 2012, 09:53:43 AM: I don't do level bombing but I'd love to roll in a Stuka for this one.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on December 04, 2012, 12:14:27 PM: Quote from: LilMak on December 04, 2012, 09:53:43 AM
I don't do level bombing but I'd love to roll in a Stuka for this one.

Well Sir, I will make a spot for you...
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on December 04, 2012, 02:51:07 PM: (http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/a2013k.jpg)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Brooke on December 04, 2012, 03:39:46 PM: Nice!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on December 05, 2012, 12:14:21 AM: THAT IS EPIC!

Very well done!

Thank You Very much...
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: HighTone on December 05, 2012, 06:45:08 PM: So are the A6M's going to take off from a CV or something. :headscratch:
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on December 05, 2012, 06:49:08 PM: Quote from: HighTone on December 05, 2012, 06:45:08 PM
So are the A6M's going to take off from a CV or something. :headscratch:

We had to Sub Seafires for the A6's HighTone. We'll keep one warmed up for ya. :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on December 05, 2012, 06:51:11 PM: Quote from: waystin2 on December 05, 2012, 06:49:08 PM
We had to Sub Seafires for the A6's HighTone. We'll keep one warmed up for ya. :aok

LCA flies Axis, Way. Everyone knows that! :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Bruv119 on December 05, 2012, 08:30:44 PM: should have just renamed the stuka, spitfire food.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on December 05, 2012, 11:57:58 PM: Two can play at this game! :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighters/StukaBreakfast.jpg)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: RedBull1 on December 06, 2012, 06:36:32 AM: I am a luftdweeb, but...
Come this Scenario...
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmg5wbKZC1-aTW36-hgBVySnU9AEip5OcaMam1WmFaa4XFaXPdNro0bPZlEQ)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on December 06, 2012, 08:19:15 AM: Quote from: RedBull1 on December 06, 2012, 06:36:32 AM
I am a luftdweeb, but...
Come this Scenario...
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmg5wbKZC1-aTW36-hgBVySnU9AEip5OcaMam1WmFaa4XFaXPdNro0bPZlEQ)
I second this :cheers:
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Devil 505 on December 06, 2012, 08:57:13 AM: (http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109F/Bf-109F-JG53.7-(W1+I)-Altendorf/images/Bf-109F4Trop-7.JG53-(W1+I)-Heinz-Altendorf-WNr-7348-North-Africa-1942-01.jpg)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on December 06, 2012, 09:33:20 AM: Corky in that poster that is a 92 Squadron Spitfire. Is 92 squadron available for the scenario?
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on December 06, 2012, 05:13:05 PM: Quote from: BFOOT1 on December 06, 2012, 09:33:20 AM
Corky in that poster that is a 92 Squadron Spitfire. Is 92 squadron available for the scenario?

Nope on 92. North Africa Spit. It had the Stuka going down so it worked :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Devil 505 on December 08, 2012, 10:06:56 AM: Fencer, would it be possible to have a small number(squad size) of 109G-2's available for defencive operations. The 109F is woefully undergunned in the anti-bomber role. At the time that this scenario takes place, 109F's in the field had access to the R-6 20mm cannon gondolas - which our 109F's do not have. The G-2 was already in service at this time with some Jagdgeschwaders in other theaters - Jg 2 being the first in April 1942. Also I/Jg 53 transferred in to the G-2 after leaving the Med. theater in July '42. In my opinion, the addition of the 109G-2 will bring balance to the only unbalanced aspect of this setup.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 12:37:57 PM: Defense against the B24s?
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Delirium on December 08, 2012, 12:58:35 PM: Those B24s will be a very tough nut to crack for the Luftwaffe. Bostons could be used instead, but their cruising speed is going to make interception very difficult for the 109s.

Not that my opinion matters, but I think Devil has a good idea, but it should be limited (or force them to carry gondolas) as the 109G2 does have some performance benefits over the 109F.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on December 08, 2012, 01:13:04 PM: Quote from: Delirium on December 08, 2012, 12:58:35 PM
Those B24s will be a very tough nut to crack for the Luftwaffe. Bostons could be used instead, but their cruising speed is going to make interception very difficult for the 109s.

Not that my opinion matters, but I think Devil has a good idea, but it should be limited (or force them to carry gondolas) as the 109G2 does have some performance benefits over the 109F.

I agree.

Aces High B24's will just walk away from the 109's and all the Luft will get is a futile chase.

Nightmares from last nights FSO repeated.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Devil 505 on December 08, 2012, 01:38:06 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Defense against the B24s?

In your wright-up on page one you mention B-24's hitting Sicily.

Quote from: Fencer51 on November 11, 2012, 11:35:05 AM
Spoiling raids upon Axis airfields on Sicily were laid on with strike aircraft from Malta and Liberators from the Middle East.

Granted, the numbers of 24's will probably also be small - around 6 sets I imagine. These bombers represent a significant problem for 109's with a single 20mm cannon. It was precisely this problem that prompted the creation of the R-6 gondola kit, and they were readily available during the timeframe for this scenario.

Ignoring this issue would result in many lost 109's and few, if any, 24's destroyed. The amount of 109F's needed to properly deal with the Liberator would be so great that if they were used that way, there would not be enough fighters available for other tasks. It may be worth while to ignore the 24's completely depending on the point value of the ground objects. If the object value is too high, then the Axis CO is caught in a "catch 22", forcing to spread assets so thin that no objective could be realistically completed. Thus this is a gross imbalance beyond just plane vs. plane.

Just some food for thought. :salute
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 02:06:26 PM: The 24s have been removed, so problem solved.. :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on December 08, 2012, 02:17:09 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
The 24s have been removed, so problem solved.. :aok

Excellent! Now, how much pull you got with the FSO team? :lol
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 02:23:05 PM: And replaced with B29s..
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Stampf on December 08, 2012, 02:28:33 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
And replaced with B29s..

:lol

Sharp as ever.

This month might as well be Spit1 vrs. Ar234's.

Ok...enough of that. Back on topic.

Axis going to conquer the Island in the Spring.

:aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Devil 505 on December 08, 2012, 02:46:21 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
The 24s have been removed, so problem solved.. :aok
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff252/DropkickYankees/happyhomer.gif)

Quote from: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
And replaced with B29s..
(http://releaf.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/homer-simpson-doh.jpg)

Thanks for clearing this up Fencer. :salute
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: ROC on December 08, 2012, 03:33:27 PM: :lol
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Brooke on December 08, 2012, 04:30:56 PM: Watch out, B-24's -- I'll be gunning for you in my C.202!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 04:42:33 PM: The 24s are gone, I was just messing with Stampf.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Brooke on December 08, 2012, 04:54:18 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 04:42:33 PM
The 24s are gone, I was just messing with Stampf.

OK, then . . . Watch out, B-29's -- I'll be gunning for you in my C.202!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: FBDragon on December 08, 2012, 11:52:04 PM: I want in!!!! axis Bf109's please!!!!!!!! :salute
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Flossy on December 09, 2012, 04:12:30 AM: Quote from: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
The 24s have been removed, so problem solved.. :aok
Oh nooooo! :cry
Quote from: Fencer51 on December 08, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
And replaced with B29s..
Oh yessss! :x

:aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on December 10, 2012, 12:10:25 AM: Yes, B-29's with black crosses painted on them dropping bombs on Malta! :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on December 10, 2012, 05:48:07 PM: With today's patch looks like we will see the debut of the Sea Hurricane in it's first Scenario. Very cool! :aok
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fencer51 on December 11, 2012, 04:41:32 AM: Sigh, I had been stalling hoping we got either the He111 or Beaufighter..
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Hajo on December 11, 2012, 10:42:02 AM: Quote from: Fencer51 on December 11, 2012, 04:41:32 AM
Sigh, I had been stalling hoping we got either the He111 or Beaufighter..

Some of us have been waiting for that for quite some time.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Brooke on December 11, 2012, 06:02:51 PM: I happen to know that Fencer voted for the Meteor over the He 111 and Beaufighter because he felt that "Meteor is way cooler and more l33t and wont be a hngr queen lk theothrs". ;)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Hotrod1 on December 13, 2012, 01:30:58 PM: STUKA!!!!!!! :x
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: viking73 on December 22, 2012, 02:58:52 PM: Quote from: KCDitto on December 10, 2012, 12:10:25 AM
Yes, B-29's with black crosses painted on them dropping bombs on Malta! :x

All ready for ya KCDitto. :rofl

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t234/firejack007/Aces%20High%202/3-25-20116-54-01PM.png)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Tank-Ace on December 22, 2012, 03:00:21 PM: Ironically, that actually looks like some German paper bomber projects.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: viking73 on December 23, 2012, 12:58:22 AM: no paper. ME 264 Amerika Bomber

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1989-039-16A%2C_Schwerer_Bomber_Me_264.jpg)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on December 23, 2012, 01:45:04 PM: Can we get it up and running by March? :x

Very cool
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Tank-Ace on December 23, 2012, 04:36:41 PM: Quote from: KCDitto on December 23, 2012, 01:45:04 PM
Can we get it up and running by March? :x

Very cool

The Amerika Bomber? Probably not.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Vudu15 on January 01, 2013, 06:19:36 AM: hmmm.....seafires? yes. yes, I believe I will...... :noid
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on January 09, 2013, 09:22:44 AM: Any idea when the write-up will be available? Got some planning to do Gentlemen...
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Babalonian on January 09, 2013, 03:36:00 PM: Quote from: Fencer51 on December 11, 2012, 04:41:32 AM
Sigh, I had been stalling hoping we got either the He111 or Beaufighter..

Quote from: Hajo on December 11, 2012, 10:42:02 AM
Some of us have been waiting for that for quite some time.

QFT, it's been how long since the last BoB, and for a lack of any other reason?

Don't think I'll make this scenario, but only because I finally got a slot so I'll be (back) in school within a month (and being advanced a year, so straight into the oven (powerplants)) and still trying to put in time at my museum.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Devil 505 on January 09, 2013, 04:27:59 PM: Quote from: Babalonian on January 09, 2013, 03:36:00 PM

QFT, it's been how long since the last BoB, and for a lack of any other reason?
Now that we have updated Hurricanes, the 110, Ju-88 and Emil need some love.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on January 16, 2013, 09:57:00 AM: The following Allied GL positions have been assigned:

Seafire CO-Killrdan
B-24 CO-QcareCH
Martlet Squad#1 CO-Wildcat1
Martlet Squad#2 CO-Shifty
Spitfire V CO-CorkyJr
Sea Hurricane CO-Fish42

Look forward to working with all of you gentlemen.

Way
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: gpwurzel on January 16, 2013, 07:43:40 PM: Good news - my work hours have changed again.

Bad news - now I can fly in the scenarios (unless they make me redundant, or my hours change again, which is quite likely as they've changed 4 times since I've been here!!!! :bhead

Wurz
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Guppy35 on January 16, 2013, 08:27:56 PM: Quote from: gpwurzel on January 16, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Good news - my work hours have changed again.

Bad news - now I can fly in the scenarios (unless they make me redundant, or my hours change again, which is quite likely as they've changed 4 times since I've been here!!!! :bhead

Wurz

Got a Spitfire for ya :)
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Fish42 on January 16, 2013, 11:27:34 PM: Damnit This means I have to work now :bolt:

Got to find an XO to put up with me as I will have just woken up around 5am.
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: KCDitto on January 17, 2013, 09:57:38 AM: Very nice,

I have a general idea but will wait until the write up is ready before announcing any GLs for AXIS

Thanks to you all for all the help and offerings
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: Brooke on January 17, 2013, 04:40:12 PM: Wait a minute. Who says that the allies get Wurz or that he wants to fly one of those Spitfire deathtraps? He might want to be a Knight of the Sky! He might want to fly some fine German engineering!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: bacon8tr on January 17, 2013, 10:12:27 PM: Any room in the spitfire ranks? If so, is it to early to call dibs? :joystick:
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: waystin2 on January 18, 2013, 05:37:52 AM: Quote from: bacon8tr on January 17, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
Any room in the spitfire ranks? If so, is it to early to call dibs? :joystick:
Right now there is nothing but room. Look for registration to open. See you up there!
Title: Re: First Scenario of 2013
Post by: BFOOT1 on January 18, 2013, 11:53:40 AM: When will the boards be up for the allies?????