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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JOACH1M on November 14, 2012, 08:42:31 AM
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Basically what the title means is what performance chips would you consider putting on a 7.3 powerstroke? I know edge, bullydog, Banks, and SuperChips all make chips that are supposed to give you more power, but which ones are the best?
Which ones have you seen or used? Did you like them?
:cheers:
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When you have passed your driving test we will tell you, not until then :old:
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Basically what the title means is what performance chips would you consider putting on a 7.3 powerstroke? I know edge, bullydog, Banks, and SuperChips all make chips that are supposed to give you more power, but which ones are the best?
Which ones have you seen or used? Did you like them?
:cheers:
If your looking for just some extra HP and Torque, I would recommend the Superchip, thats what is in ours. Works like a charm. However, if you are looking to completely modify your shifting points, rev limits, ect, ect, then I would recommend Banks.
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I have been using the Hypertech programmer for almost 10 years. They are pricey, but the current programmer lets you pick three different settings. You see an immediate boost of power once it is installed and mileage goes up as well. I noticed the turbo kicks in sooner and torque is increased. It you change the size of your tires it will allow you to input the size to correct the speedometer.if you take your power stroke to the dealer or go in for a smog check (California) you need to return the vehicle to stock settings and that takes less than 5 minutes. After the service is over, it takes about 20 minutes to reprogram.
Good luck,
Mano
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I think Banks has the most experience in the field and quite a few RV'ers use their products. Rather than just a simple chip change it would be better to invest in the entire programming module. You can select the mode you want "on the fly". Also invest in a good pyrometer to be installed just aft of the turbo so you can monitor EGT while running the thing. If you torch the turbo it will get expensive very fast.
Part of the full upgrade is to invest in the cool air intake system and inlet air cooler and exhaust mods. That will go a long way to improve mileage and engine longevity. Just the intake change is good for a HP and mileage boost.
Keep in mind that if you boost the engine the transmission will be the next weak link. They used the LEAST transmission capacity for any given level of power. If you boost the HP and Torque you will scorch the transmission unless you upgrade the torque converter and transmission. (assuming an auto tranny)
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There is an AIRRADE intake on it with 3"downpipe going into 5" strait out the back so I think it's all good with getting air in and out.
The torque converter was rebuilt about 5,000 miles ago.
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There is an AIRRADE intake on it with 3"downpipe going into 5" strait out the back so I think it's all good with getting air in and out.
The torque converter was rebuilt about 5,000 miles ago.
Stock and rebuilt, or upgraded/aftermarket unit and rebuilt? I don't think you understood what Mav was saying, they're built to a minimum standard, that standard assuming everything is stock and from the factory in your car and powerplant. It could be brand new and dipped in whale oil, but still won't last long (if at all) to increased power and torque beyond it's designed limits (which, if the manufacturer wanted to increase any profit, then it is already at or very near those limits already).
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I had a friend with a bullydog... that was a leather clenching experience... :O :uhoh
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Stock and rebuilt, or upgraded/aftermarket unit and rebuilt? I don't think you understood what Mav was saying, they're built to a minimum standard, that standard assuming everything is stock and from the factory in your car and powerplant. It could be brand new and dipped in whale oil, but still won't last long (if at all) to increased power and torque beyond it's designed limits (which, if the manufacturer wanted to increase any profit, then it is already at or very near those limits already).
I have no idea if it has been upgraded (not my truck) I'm just trying to help a friend out lol. I'm going to assume it was rebuilt to stock.
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The title of this thread reminded me of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yHl24QynOM#!
:huh :lol
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Are you talking chips or programers such as Diablo Trinity etc.
Programers (download /upload tunes) usefull.
Chips....a sucker is born every minute...useless.
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Are you talking chips or programers such as Diablo Trinity etc.
Programers (download /upload tunes) usefull.
Chips....a sucker is born every minute...useless.
Like a flash tuning device. One where you download from the Internet.
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Thanks for clearing that up. I do have a few questions before I say Yay or Nay though if you don't mind?
First. Is the device capable of downloading the tune already in your car or truck? (if it is the stock from the factory tune)
You may wish to save the tune if the tune you upload makes things worse, or if the vehicle is under warranty. If it is
under warranty and you have uploaded other then a stock tune to your vehicle and you take it for service you may have
some splain'n to do. Good possibility that will nullify the warranty on the engine if it or engine components fail. Be sure
you can save the tune and upload the stock tune back into your vehicle.
Two. Yes...performance programers can help boost performance by increasing a rev limiter, a tune for a higher octane gas etc.
Be sure before you use the programer that you can save and download your stock tune before you consider flashing a new tune with
different parameters into your PCM. You could dig the hole deeper if you don't have that ability.
For my R/T it would only be the Diablo Predator or Trinity, or have someone like Arrington or Pettys' Garage who know fully how to tune
the vehicle properly. You have a different manufacturer so what is available and dependable for your vehicle I do not know.
Just a word to the wise. Make dam sure your have the correct programer! And don't purchase a programer unless it is widely known as being dependable.
Do your homework.
I would never use one unless I made serious modifications to my R/T such as adding a supercharger etc.
Then a new tune would be needed. Again be very very careful. Some of these vehicles are code protected.
Also remember this is only loading a tune into the PCM. If anything physical has to be done such as widening spark plug gaps etc.
The flash tuner naturally can't do that. Be careful!
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Hajo,
some great advice!
If your friend wants to make power with that diesel there's plenty of options,might consider a propane injector to the system. Someone already mentioned an EGT monitor and thats a must if you plan on performance mods for a diesel,you can make some serious temps and have a massive meltdown.
It's a shame we dont do more with diesels over here,Europe has been doing some great stuff with diesels for years now. Oh right diesels will burn almost anything maybe thats got something to do with it.
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There are several good tuners for a diesel.
Forget a simple chip.
With a tuner mountred on the dash you can change at will to haul trailers, to fuel mileage, to scatting down the road.
If this is an older diesel I'd think twice about cranking up the HP. Diesels tend to get set in their ways and if you change that drastically.... you'll be in the shop alot.
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There is an AIRRADE intake on it with 3"downpipe going into 5" strait out the back so I think it's all good with getting air in and out.
The torque converter was rebuilt about 5,000 miles ago.
If the above are modifications(larger intake and exhaust capactiy for the engine) larger then what was stock?
If these increases were above stock more then likely even though these were added the engine might not be taking advantage of them.
There is a chance the PCM doesn't know these mods were made unless it can tell automatically somehow. Then the mods could be useless.
It may well be....and I say MAY that the diesel is saying so what! If the PCM doesn't know there is the capability of more flow
it can't take advantage of it, there is that possibility. The PCM,ECM whatever your manufacturer calls it MAY need reset to take
advanatage of the upgrade. I'm no truck expert to be sure. From experience I added an INJEN Powerflow intake system and a high flow
Corsa exhaust. I reset the PCM simply by pulling a fuse for 30 seconds and then drove it like I stold it after installing the fuse of course
so the engine could take advantage of the incresed in/out flow. Pulling the fuse in my case reset the PCM and logged increased in/out capability
when I drove it after the reset.
I'm no expert on diesel trucks for sure but I think it may be worth the time to look into that possibilty.
You need advice from a true truck (diesel) expert!
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I see what your saying there. I will have to look into the tunes, but I'm pretty sure there is tunes for the use of different air intakes.
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Jo
What year 7.3? Wide variety of options out there for 7.3's. The first thing one has to decide is "what exactly is it I want out of my truck". It is entirely possible to get upwards of 700hp+ out of one, but reliability obviously goes out the window at the same time.
Go with a tuner if at all possible, especially if it's a daily driver. With more ponies comes heat, which to a point in a diesel is a good thing, but a bit too much is BAD!! If your gonna up hp by more than 30% or so, your friend will definitely want a larger after cooler and piping. Banks at one time made several nice kits, spend "X" amount, and get "Y" horsepower. The more ya spend, the more ya get. I suspect the truck has a few miles on it now, has it ever had anything done to it up to this point?
Turbo kits alone for 7.3's did wonders, look into it. Tell you friend to do his homework on this one, and he will have fun and reliability at the same time.
Good luck :aok
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Its a 2003.5 so it's one of the last 7.3 power-strokes made. It has ONLY 45,000 on it and it was a Texas Truck (lucky arse) but he wants a daily driver with alot of get up and go. I showed him Banks website, but he doesn't understand how anything works or what it does. lol
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Get his questions and post here, or pm me. Will be glad to answer/ give advice. 7.3's were the beast of the ford/ navistar V-8 diesels. We can get hi pointed in the right direction for sure .
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I have a bullydog tuner on my cummins isx 600. with just the tuner and going to straight pipes was able to bump the hp up to 830 and the torque to 2650. I've got 832602 miles on the engine with no problems. isn't there a bullydog shop in port huron? seems like I've seen a billboard on I-69
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It completely depends on what you want out of the truck.
If you want to go fast, get a car.
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I just went thru "chipping" with my 6.0 Powerstroke. The first place to go is the FTE forums (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/index.php), that place is a goldmine of information from Ford techs and owners. One of the first things I found out was Bully Dog isn't very popular because it will trash your transmission. It doesn't make adjustments to the tranny for the extra torque being thrown at it. The 7.3 is different since it has less computer programming, but you need a programmable tuner like SCT (formerly Superchips) and a reliable tune that will adjust all the parameters in the engine and tranny. (After reading up on the 7.3, you won't need a programmable tuner. Everything changed with the 6.0)
I'm running the 8K Tow tune from Matt at Gearhead (http://www.gearheadautomotiveperformance.com/). It came highly recommended and I've been thoroughly impressed with the results. I also bought the Street Race Lite and Unlimited Tow tunes but haven't run them yet because I've been so impressed with the 8K tune. I weigh up to 25K GVW hauling hotshot with an '06 F350.
Bottom line is go to FTE and read up on your options from the experts before you spend any money. You'll be glad you did.
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Get his questions and post here, or pm me. Will be glad to answer/ give advice. 7.3's were the beast of the ford/ navistar V-8 diesels. We can get hi pointed in the right direction for sure .
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Glad to see you chime in Jim,if anyone knows about this stuff it would be you.... :devil
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I just went thru "chipping" with my 6.0 Powerstroke. The first place to go is the FTE forums (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/index.php), that place is a goldmine of information from Ford techs and owners. One of the first things I found out was Bully Dog isn't very popular because it will trash your transmission. It doesn't make adjustments to the tranny for the extra torque being thrown at it. The 7.3 is different since it has less computer programming, but you need a programmable tuner like SCT (formerly Superchips) and a reliable tune that will adjust all the parameters in the engine and tranny. (After reading up on the 7.3, you won't need a programmable tuner. Everything changed with the 6.0)
I'm running the 8K Tow tune from Matt at Gearhead (http://www.gearheadautomotiveperformance.com/). It came highly recommended and I've been thoroughly impressed with the results. I also bought the Street Race Lite and Unlimited Tow tunes but haven't run them yet because I've been so impressed with the 8K tune. I weigh up to 25K GVW hauling hotshot with an '06 F350.
Bottom line is go to FTE and read up on your options from the experts before you spend any money. You'll be glad you did.
i looked at this and it's a great source. Thanks for showing this as now he can find out everything he needs to know instead of me!
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http://www.diablosport.com/products/predator.html (http://www.diablosport.com/products/predator.html)
I had this for my 2004 ford excursion 6.0 turbo diesel
I liked it
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i looked at this and it's a great source. Thanks for showing this as now he can find out everything he needs to know instead of me!
FTE is a goldmine of info for Ford trucks. It has helped me pinpoint problems and plan what I wanted from my Powerstroke. If You own a Ford truck you should be reading FTE. (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/index.php)