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Title: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SQUAT! on November 24, 2012, 08:58:00 PM
What offenses are reportable? and who is in charge of of weeding out the false reports from the just reports on the weekend??????
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: NatCigg on November 24, 2012, 08:59:23 PM
if you type it they will come. :noid
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Guppy35 on November 24, 2012, 09:02:39 PM
Always best to e-mail HTC instead of posting it here if you have a concern about that kind of stuff
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SQUAT! on November 24, 2012, 09:06:59 PM
And there's the reason for my post. If someone is wrongfully text muted they have to wait all weekend to have anything done
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: 68ZooM on November 24, 2012, 09:34:16 PM
 Squat you'll have to wait till monday and call them or email them they will look at the logs
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: ACE on November 24, 2012, 09:47:55 PM
And there's the reason for my post. If someone is wrongfully text muted they have to wait all weekend to have anything done

Squat you'll have to wait till monday and call them or email them they will look at the logs

I think he knew..

Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: JOACH1M on November 24, 2012, 10:00:39 PM
I demand a list of the moderators.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nutzoid on November 24, 2012, 10:08:22 PM
I demand a list of the moderators.


Demand away. You'll never get one.


Nutz
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: guncrasher on November 24, 2012, 10:32:54 PM
squat you can be reported for no reason at all.  it happens a lot where a squad or a group of players will mass  report somebody and the auto suspension kicks in.  what they count on is that the suspended player wont report the suspension so they get away with it.  if the player reports the suspension and it is unwarranted they will look (I hope) at the logs and if it is unwarranted then the reported players will get suspended.

count on it happening on the weeked as they know that the office is closed.  so if you have no reason to get suspended then send an email and get back at them.


midway
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SQUAT! on November 24, 2012, 10:35:31 PM
There are moderators??? :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SkyRock on November 24, 2012, 10:50:02 PM
We're not supposed to tell anyone we are mod......  ooops...











 :noid
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Pand on November 24, 2012, 10:58:59 PM
What offenses are reportable? and who is in charge of of weeding out the false reports from the just reports on the weekend??????
What did you say?  If you can post it here any not get muted then it's likely OK in the MA.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: surfinn on November 24, 2012, 11:30:02 PM
Info on mods would be great
who are they?
what are their rules?
what ability do they have in the game?
How are they selected to be mods?
Why are they allowed to play?
Are they getting paid to be mods?
Are they allowed to enforce their political agenda on others etc ?
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SQUAT! on November 25, 2012, 12:31:38 AM
who are they?
How are they selected to be mods?
Why are they allowed to play?
Are they getting paid to be mods?

I doubt any of these will or should be known by the community


what are their rules?
Are they allowed to enforce their political agenda on others etc ?

What are there Rules? and what ability's do they have? Are they all powerful on the weekends and holiday when the office is closed?


And pand good try  :aok


I'm trying to get info on how "the system" works. I'm sure people are falsely reported all the time. And wondering if there are mods. Then how do they not have the ability to view the reports and cancel or ok reports?
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: thndregg on November 25, 2012, 01:05:29 AM
What offenses are reportable?

Do you really need a written list of what not to do in order to maintain a level of decent, respectful communication and conduct with fellow subscribers?  :huh
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: matt on November 25, 2012, 01:07:41 AM
Info on mods would be great
who are they?
what are their rules?
what ability do they have in the game?
How are they selected to be mods?
Why are they allowed to play?
Are they getting paid to be mods?
Are they allowed to enforce their political agenda on others etc ?
:rofl
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 25, 2012, 01:36:28 AM
Info on mods would be great
who are they?
what are their rules?
what ability do they have in the game?
How are they selected to be mods?
Why are they allowed to play?
Are they getting paid to be mods?
Are they allowed to enforce their political agenda on others etc ?

I heard that moderators can make their plane as light as bamboo with a super engine  :noid
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: RedBull1 on November 25, 2012, 02:01:49 AM
I see people type 'inappropriate' words every day on 200, a lot, yet I have never seen them muted, however I said something jokingly (quite obviously) to a friend, which IIRC really wasn't even close to a forbidden word a few weeks ago and got muted for 800 minutes, Dolby called a mod a sack of cheez its and got muted for like 1000 minutes once  :lol

Im sorry but whoever the mods are abuse their power sometimes IMO  :lol

 :salute
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: MrKrabs on November 25, 2012, 02:47:50 AM
/.warn Redbull
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: RedBull1 on November 25, 2012, 02:55:50 AM
O_O
 :noid
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Rino on November 25, 2012, 03:33:30 AM

Demand away. You'll never get one.


Nutz

     Well we could always just make one up.  He never asked for a correct list of moderators  :devil
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Tilt on November 25, 2012, 04:29:24 AM
Info on mods would be great
who are they?
what are their rules?
what ability do they have in the game?
How are they selected to be mods?
Why are they allowed to play?
Are they getting paid to be mods?
Are they allowed to enforce their political agenda on others etc ?

and of course............... where do they live?
Title: .
Post by: Tilt on November 25, 2012, 04:33:56 AM
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Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: zack1234 on November 25, 2012, 04:50:22 AM
I heard that moderators can make their plane as light as bamboo with a super engine  :noid

Its shocking really and disrupts game play :old:
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: zack1234 on November 25, 2012, 04:53:59 AM
I heard that moderators can make their plane as light as bamboo with a super engine  :noid

That is very unfair for the rest of us :old:
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Bruv119 on November 25, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
I think in 99.9%  of cases getting auto muted probably means you said something you knew was wrong and the system picked it up.   

If you don't want to lose your chat privs then think before you type.     ;)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: The Fugitive on November 25, 2012, 08:13:38 AM
While I would love to have this info, I'm smart enough to know why we won't get it all, and very little will be announced "officially", but this is what I have on this...

Info on mods would be great Mods are volunteers, they do not get paid, nor are they "scheduled" to cover certain times. They are on when they are on and "mod" when they want.
who are they? You will never know. Can you imagine the witch hunts if any of the names came out of who was a mod? Or the other side of the coin, all the PMs that poor guy would get from people complaining about others all night?
what are their rules? Check the TOS.(Terms of service). This Im sure is the base line for the "rules" what a mod enforces of course is up to the mod.
what ability do they have in the game? We know they have the ablity to warn, and mute. Expel ? not sure, but I don't see why not, but that may be a bit more power than HTC is willing to extend to a "non employee"
How are they selected to be mods? I'm sure some volunteer, others are picked. My "guess" is some are the quite ones that put a lot of hours in, while others are "friends of HTC" and are only on now and then and and mod only now and then even when they are on.
Why are they allowed to play?  They are not getting paid to baby sit, they are PAYING to play the game like the rest of us, why shouldn't they play?
Are they getting paid to be mods? No
Are they allowed to enforce their political agenda on others etc ? Tricky question, see below.

You also have to remember that there are a couple of "auto mods" as well. There is a library of words that if typed into the radio bar will result in a warning, and auto mutes. There is also the above mentioned mass reporting. If a certain number of people use the .report function with in a certain time period it will also mute the person being reported. The auto mutes can be over tuned by contacting HTC and having them look at the logs. As stated above, if the mass report was done to be spiteful the mass reporters get the mute and the one muted gets his "voice" back.

I think the biggest problem with the "mods" is there isn't a lot of structure. Sure there are the TOS rules, and I'm sure there are some "unwritten" rules from HTC but it is pretty much left up to the mods. On top of that the mods aren't "responsible" for being mods. What I mean by that is they are not held accountable for their time modding. It isn't their "job" and they are not here to be baby sitters. I think their basic job is just to keep the lid from blowing off the pot.

So if a mod is on and and is tied up in a horde.....err mission and and working hard with his fellow horders..... squadmates and they are tuned to their own channel and are on a roll NOEing.... err strategically grabbing base after base then the mod may not be watching the text on 200 much and so a lot of crap goes by with out a mod putting a stop to it. On the other hand, a mod may be on and see all the hording going on and not wanting to participate in that type of play bounces around looking for a fight and so being bored may watch 200 much more closely and so infractions are spotted and dealt with.

On top of that, with out any real structure, mods having little framework to work with are allowed to run the show as they see fit....with in those "unwritten rules" HTC gave them. So mod in a crappy mood see's someone they can't stand come close to stepping over the line and drops the hammer on him. Or see's a buddy going over the line but thinks it's funny so lets him continue. With out a solid framework and being made responsible your going to get these wild swings in the enforcement of the rules.

  
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: mbailey on November 25, 2012, 08:31:23 AM
Do you really need a written list of what not to do in order to maintain a level of decent, respectful communication and conduct with fellow subscribers?  :huh

This
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Tupac on November 25, 2012, 09:15:01 AM
I see people type 'inappropriate' words every day on 200, a lot, yet I have never seen them muted, however I said something jokingly (quite obviously) to a friend, which IIRC really wasn't even close to a forbidden word a few weeks ago and got muted for 800 minutes, Dolby called a mod a sack of cheez its and got muted for like 1000 minutes once  :lol

Im sorry but whoever the mods are abuse their power sometimes IMO  :lol

 :salute

Mods have an agenda and are far from unbiased.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: RTHolmes on November 25, 2012, 09:58:38 AM
what agenda do the mods have?
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Daddkev on November 25, 2012, 10:23:58 AM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Squat....my wife said hi....you mute!  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Max on November 25, 2012, 11:31:54 AM
what agenda do the mods have?

It's top secret but I know they meet every 28 days during the full moon and screaming sheep are often heard.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 25, 2012, 01:35:05 PM
what agenda do the mods have?

they are run by the liberal media to silence the voices and the rights of freedom loving citizens
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: WWhiskey on November 25, 2012, 01:49:55 PM
 Detune 200,,,,, problem solved,,, if problem persists after detuning of 200, you are the problem or squelch is your friend !
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SQUAT! on November 25, 2012, 01:59:21 PM
Do you really need a written list of what not to do in order to maintain a level of decent, respectful communication and conduct with fellow subscribers?  :huh

no abusive language and no politics. is That correct?

I think in 99.9%  of cases getting auto muted probably means you said something you knew was wrong and the system picked it up.   

If you don't want to lose your chat privs then think before you type.     ;)

You get a warning when it's an auto mute. you just get muted for a report.

Detune 200,,,,, problem solved,,, if problem persists after detuning of 200, you are the problem or squelch is your friend !
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this problem can happen on country chat also. so detune 200 isn't a salutioun

Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: kvuo75 on November 25, 2012, 02:16:31 PM
no abusive language and no politics. is That correct?

You get a warning when it's an auto mute. you just get muted for a report.
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this problem can happen on country chat also. so detune 200 isn't a salutioun



no politics or religion, those are good ones to avoid.. there are plenty of loudmouths who cannot reisist tho.. their opinions are so valuable they MUST be shared!


i just .report them... rarely works though, because i see the same loudmouths spouting off day after day..

 
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: WWhiskey on November 25, 2012, 03:16:26 PM


this problem can happen on country chat also. so detune 200 isn't a salutioun



 if this problem is on country channel  then squelch is your fix!!  if squelch doesn't fix your problem,,, you are the problem!!


recently I got mad at someone,, for  who knows what reason,, after a short banter on 200,, i squelched him,,  then detuned 200,, problem solved,,,

a few days later, i noticed how much more I enjoyed the game and went to look and see what was different,,, I found 200 still detuned,, it was amazing how much more enjoyment I got out of the game without it,,,

 as for that person,, I doubt he did anything  much to annoy me,, but I still squelch him every time I see he is there!
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SQUAT! on November 25, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
if this problem is on country channel  then squelch is your fix!!  if squelch doesn't fix your problem,,, you are the problem!!


recently I got mad at someone,, for  who knows what reason,, after a short banter on 200,, i squelched him,,  then detuned 200,, problem solved,,,

a few days later, i noticed how much more I enjoyed the game and went to look and see what was different,,, I found 200 still detuned,, it was amazing how much more enjoyment I got out of the game without it,,,

 as for that person,, I doubt he did anything  much to annoy me,, but I still squelch him every time I see he is there!

How does squelch help from a false report?????????????????
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: WWhiskey on November 25, 2012, 05:29:58 PM
How does squelch help from a false report?????????????????
well you had to type something,  to someone,,, to get reported,,  if that person was squelched,, that wouldn't have happened!! Lol.   Or you could just argue about it!! <<S>>.  Have fun
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Halo46 on November 25, 2012, 05:30:21 PM
I seem to remember seeing you or someone else with a similar name being quite vocal and vociferous about politics in the US there for a minute between bish hordes on the HQ and strats last night, perhaps you don't see the difference? Dunno, didn't follow the conversations long enough to notice it stop nor care what it was about. Just remember seeing it. Perhaps that's why if you were that guy or participating in it on range. If not he, disregard.

Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Tupac on November 25, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
what agenda do the mods have?

Good ol' boys flying club. Their buddies can say whatever they want but they mute anyone who disagrees with their friends. One of the reasons I don't play that much anymore.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SmokinLoon on November 25, 2012, 05:59:47 PM
I do not swing the ban hammer unless someone really gets out of line. 
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: SQUAT! on November 25, 2012, 06:03:10 PM
well you had to type something,  to someone,,, to get reported,,  if that person was squelched,, that wouldn't have happened!! Lol.   Or you could just argue about it!! <<S>>.  Have fun

Yea i told them were i work lol.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Pand on November 25, 2012, 06:09:52 PM
The easiest way to avoid a real (or false) .report is to say compliments on 200 rather than criticizing someone HOing you, BnZing you, outturnning you, outflying you, or anything else you don't like about the way they play the game.

This will reduce the number of conversations that escalate to inappropriate verbiage that could get you muted.

Or the safest way: detune 200 and don't say anything.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: kilo2 on November 25, 2012, 06:20:18 PM
The easiest way to avoid a real (or false) .report is to say compliments on 200 rather than criticizing someone HOing you, BnZing you, outturnning you, outflying you, or anything else you don't like about the way they play the game.

This will reduce the number of conversations that escalate to inappropriate verbiage that could get you muted.

Or the safest way: detune 200 and don't say anything.  :cheers:

(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/BloodyBandage/300px-Stuart_Smalley.jpg)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: USRanger on November 25, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
Whenever I mute any of you, it's because you deserve it.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: 68ZooM on November 25, 2012, 06:52:53 PM
i have .squelch who  pre programmed  :old:
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: RedBull1 on November 25, 2012, 07:03:34 PM
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/BloodyBandage/300px-Stuart_Smalley.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Pand on November 25, 2012, 09:10:19 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
For those too young to know what sukov is referencing, this might make it more entertaining!   :cheers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Smalley
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: mthrockmor on November 25, 2012, 09:14:18 PM
Stuart Smaley is now some socialist freaking Senator in DC. Holy crap is America...

Boo
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: bj229r on November 25, 2012, 10:32:08 PM
Squat, your portion of the 200 text bar is starting to rival Who.....and it always seems an ENDless parade of whizzing matches with various people. Getting .reported by more than one or two folks wasn't entirely unforeseeable :old:
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Estes on November 25, 2012, 10:44:14 PM
A long time ago, back when AH first introduced it's own in-game vox, myself and a few squaddies made a few different troll squads and troll names on shade accounts. I'm not going to go into detail for obvious reasons, but as a result of that, I found out who one mod was. They know who they are, and it's not even relevant anymore other than nostalgia and laughs. :)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: doc1kelley on November 26, 2012, 10:16:57 AM
they are run by the liberal media to silence the voices and the rights of freedom loving citizens

What?  MSNBC has infected this place?  :D

Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: doc1kelley on November 26, 2012, 10:20:37 AM
Whenever I mute any of you, it's because you deserve it.

OK Ranger, did you do this before or after you were stabbed in the forehead?  :devil

All the Best and just yanking your chain old Bud...

                  Jay
              awDic1
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: hitech on November 26, 2012, 10:54:11 AM
There are 3 systems in place.

1. System detects certain words, warns you , then if you try again will mute you  for 10 mins.

2. Moderators, can warn you, and / or mute you for up to 2 hours.

These 2 mutes are arena based, and do not effect your ability to chat in other arenas.

3. .report, any player can report some one, if you are muted do to report your chat will be suspended across all arenas for a little over 7 days.

HiTech
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: VonMessa on November 26, 2012, 12:15:24 PM
There are 3 systems in place.

1. System detects certain words, warns you , then if you try again will mute you  for 10 mins.

2. Moderators, can warn you, and / or mute you for up to 2 hours.

These 2 mutes are arena based, and do not effect your ability to chat in other arenas.

3. .report, any player can report some one, if you are muted do to report your chat will be suspended across all arenas for a little over 7 days.

HiTech


Are you positive?

That would be 120 minutes.

Is that your rules or what they are limited to by the coading?

Why is it that I have seen up to 1500 minutes?

Why is it always in minutes?
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Hajo on November 26, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
Act like an Adult....don't have to worry about being muted.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: VonMessa on November 26, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/adultlanguage.jpg)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: hitech on November 26, 2012, 12:34:03 PM

Are you positive?

That would be 120 minutes.

Is that your rules or what they are limited to by the coading?

Why is it that I have seen up to 1500 minutes?

Why is it always in minutes?

The limit was changed a few months back.

I know that is the limit in the code, and I am 90% sure it is the current version the host is running. But I can not 100% remember when the change was made vs when the last host was installed.


HiTech
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: VonMessa on November 26, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
The limit was changed a few months back.

HiTech

So if I get more than 120 minutes, I can blow up your voicemail until it is fixed?

A few months?  Before the middle of September?
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: VonMessa on November 26, 2012, 12:44:51 PM
The limit was changed a few months back.

I know that is the limit in the code, and I am 90% sure it is the current version the host is running. But I can not 100% remember when the change was made vs when the last host was installed.


HiTech

Apparently, it is not working as intended...

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,339029.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,339029.0.html)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Skuzzy on November 26, 2012, 12:52:39 PM
What offenses are reportable? and who is in charge of of weeding out the false reports from the just reports on the weekend??????

I researched the reports and found all to be valid.  Your suspension came as a result of the players proper use of the report mechanism.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: hitech on November 26, 2012, 12:53:04 PM
So if I get more than 120 minutes, I can blow up your voicemail until it is fixed?

A few months?  Before the middle of September?

Our host version is currently frozen until we release a new client to match it. And we do not have voice mail at HTC, you call you get a live person if we are here.

HiTech
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: hitech on November 26, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
Apparently, it is not working as intended...

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,339029.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,339029.0.html)

I know it was changed after that post, because it was that post that caused me to change it.

HiTech
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: VonMessa on November 26, 2012, 01:01:13 PM
See rule #4
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Banshee7 on November 26, 2012, 01:13:11 PM
Ya know, back in my teenager years when I first started playing this game, and there was practically no filter between my mind and my mouth/keyboard, I was constantly muted or chat suspended at least once a month.  There comes a time when you finally have to grow up and learn to use that filter between your mind and mouth, or create one if you lack it.  For me, this came from taking about a year break from the game.  Since then, I don't think I've been muted, chat suspended, or even warned in the last few years.  Taking a break really helps, if it doesn't, then the problem lies within yourself.  Once you defeat that "paranoia" that someone is out to get you and only mutes you, the game becomes much more enjoyable.  Of course, detuning 200 and squelching might help your situation, but it proves that you lack self control.

That's just my two cents.

#S#



Josh
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: VonMessa on November 26, 2012, 01:15:48 PM
See rule #4
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Traveler on November 26, 2012, 02:14:44 PM
Inappropriate langue has never been a problem for the 113th Lucky Strikes.   With over 10 years as a  Aces High squad I can count on one hand the number of times a member has slipped.  We try to remember that not everyone on VOX has a headset and whatever is spoken may be heard by a member’s entire family.   So we continue to follow one simple rule, speak and type as if you were talking to grandma.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Oldman731 on November 26, 2012, 03:17:54 PM
Inappropriate langue has never been a problem for the 113th Lucky Strikes.   With over 10 years as a  Aces High squad I can count on one hand the number of times a member has slipped.  We try to remember that not everyone on VOX has a headset and whatever is spoken may be heard by a member’s entire family.   So we continue to follow one simple rule, speak and type as if you were talking to grandma.


Good advice.

- oldman
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Raphael on November 26, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
(http://www.apatlantic.com/image/cache/data/kellogs/Cheez-It%20Original%201.5oz-420x420.jpg)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 01:24:15 PM
What I don't understand is  how a 'older' community(the squeekers usually don't whine) playing a game that depicts death and destruction can be so thin skinned about such trivial things, as to mute someone over something so innocent as what Squat said.(I was there) I saw what was being said and SQUAT was the least offensive  however the instigators of the convo kept on chatting up 200. Skuzzy you can say you looked it up all you want but I know what went down I was there. It is a clear cut example of the good ole boys club.



This is not rule 4 by the way,  just calling it as it is.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: LCADolby on November 29, 2012, 01:32:49 PM
(http://www.apatlantic.com/image/cache/data/kellogs/Cheez-It%20Original%201.5oz-420x420.jpg)
I'd shake that mods hand, everytime I see a bag of those I laugh.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 01:48:37 PM
no politics or religion, those are good ones to avoid.. there are plenty of loudmouths who cannot resist tho.. their opinions are so valuable they MUST be shared!


i just .report them... rarely works though, because i see the same loudmouths spouting off day after day..

 
HOWEVER when the pother people being way more politicval than Squat keep on yaking away on 200 after Squat is muted is clearly what the real issue is. You can look at this thread and clearly see all the flamebaiting being ignored but If say someone like me was to say something like 'I heard the mods can make their e plane light as bamboo and with a super engine' Id get rule 4'd and banned. Yet here it is in this very thread the good ole boy network in play.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 29, 2012, 02:08:29 PM
I kind of have to agree with Nathan60 and also Redbull who said the same thing earlier in the thread. A lot of the worst stuff on 200 never seems to draw the wrath of the moderators...


You can look at this thread and clearly see all the flamebaiting being ignored but If say someone like me was to say something like 'I heard the mods can make their e plane light as bamboo and with a super engine' Id get rule 4'd and banned. Yet here it is in this very thread the good ole boy network in play.

lol - so I'm a part of the good old boy network?  :rofl

you do know that I was banned for 2 weeks for posting the video with that comment about the bamboo plane etc?

I was also muted ingame for quoting something else in the video (Snech's sperm swapping allegation :D ), when far more abusive stuff is said on 200 constantly (usually with real malice behind it, not jokingly quoting someone else's bad manners)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Skuzzy on November 29, 2012, 02:11:27 PM
The only issue is if the reports from the community were valid or not.  They were valid.  This has nothing to do with moderators.

Understand the concept of it requiring multiple instances, over a specific period of time, before text and/r VOX privs are lost.

Example:  Ten players talking about something, and they all get two votes each.  All good, until you realize that three of the others already had multiple votes in the queue from previous instances of problematic behavior and those three lose thier privs and the others do not.

When used properly, the system works as it should.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 02:13:43 PM
I kind of have to agree with Nathan60 and also Redbull who said the same thing earlier in the thread. A lot of the worst stuff on 200 never seems to draw the wrath of the moderators...


lol - so I'm a part of the good old boy network?  :rofl

you do know that I was banned for 2 weeks for posting the video with that comment about the bamboo plane etc?

I was also muted ingame for quoting something else in the video (Snech's sperm swapping allegation :D ), when far more abusive stuff is said on 200 constantly (usually with real malice behind it, not jokingly quoting someone else's bad manners)
Well I was talking about your comment in THIS thread alone not the video, I got banned for the dsame thing even used one of the smiley guys with it too, but I take it back your not a good ole boy i retract the bamboo plane but the favortisim is in evidence on a near daily basis.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 29, 2012, 02:15:37 PM
Just so ya know, for someone to get Rule #'d in a thread like this usually requires someone to have reported the offending post.

Not many people are stupid enough to take a joking comment like 'mods can make their planes as light as bamboo' seriously, so that's probably why there has been no problem with that post :)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
The only issue is if the reports from the community were valid or not.  They were valid.  This has nothing to do with moderators.

Understand the concept of it requiring multiple instances, over a specific period of time, before text and/r VOX privs are lost.

Example:  Ten players talking about something, and they all get two votes each.  All good, until you realize that three of the others already had multiple votes in the queue from previous instances of problematic behavior and those three lose thier privs and the others do not.

When used properly, the system works as it should.
So something said 5 weeks ago catches you a ban? So lets say someone can come on here and flamebait all they want  as long as they know the magical number of reports before for banning? say some one that is  a moderator or  a friend of one. Do the mods have access to the reports can dismiss reports? Who assigned the ban or was it just mass reporting and it does it automaticly?
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 02:18:31 PM
Just so ya know, for someone to get Rule #'d in a thread like this usually requires someone to have reported the offending post.

Not many people are Suprised( I find it offensive so I fixced) enough to take a joking comment like 'mods can make their planes as light as bamboo'  seriously, so that's probably why there has been no problem with that post :)
well I must have some pretty think people following me around OR you are in fact a good old boy as I got banned for much the same thing.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Skuzzy on November 29, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
So something said 5 weeks ago catches you a ban? So lets say someone can come on here and flamebait all they want  as ;long as they know the magical number of reports before for banning? say some one that is  a moderator?

You can see the settings, for any given arena, for the report mechanism.  Currently it takes 5 reports, over a one week period of time to lose privs in the game.

The bulletin board is completely separate from the game and has forum posting rules within the forums.  As coobmz says, it takes someone hitting the "Report to moderator" link in a post as no one has time to read every post made on the bulletin board.

There are no moderators on the bulletin board.  There are admins.  All employees of HTC.  The moderators in the game are limited to being only able to mute a player for a short period of time.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 02:27:48 PM
So a mass report 'engineered' by perhaps the mods themselves can result in a ban? You said that Squats ban was valid, what about all the OTHERS that were talking polictics  and continued to talk politics, they clearly baited people but since they had been good boys for a week they get away scott free ? As for the boards its just odd that what uis clearly meant as a joke can be reported and result in a ban. Pehaps you need to more subjective?
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Skuzzy on November 29, 2012, 02:35:10 PM
So a mass report 'engineered' by perhaps the mods themselves can result in a ban? You said that Squats ban was valid, what about all the OTHERS that were talking polictics  and continued to talk politics, they clearly baited people but since they had been good boys for a week they get away scott free ? As for the boards its just odd that what uis clearly meant as a joke can be reported and result in a ban. Pehaps you need to more subjective?

We know who makes the reports.  If there was any abuse of the system, then it would be rectified.  If the moderators abused the system they would no longer be moderators.

Mass reports do happen, on occasion.  When they do, we fix it by taking the privs of the reporters away for the same period as it would have cost the person that was the target of the attack.

The other players are irrelevant to this discussion.  If they lost privs, they can challenge it as well.

Everyone is responsible for his/her own behavior.  Everyone makes the choice to act in the manner they do.

If someone has an issue with my findings, they can always take it to HiTech.


Again, the bulletin board is completely different than the game.  We do rely on someone hitting the "Report to moderator" link as it sends us a link directly to the post.  If the post is in violation of the forum posting rules, the appropriate action is taken.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 02:36:55 PM
Fine
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Skuzzy on November 29, 2012, 02:39:58 PM
The others are not irrelevant as they could have been talking politics to bait people into a response for the sole pourpose of then mass reporting that person which this situation clearly was.

Again, people are responsible for their own behavior. 

In this specific instance, there were no mass reports.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 02:40:44 PM
Again, people are responsible for their own behavior.  

In this specific instance, there were no mass reports.
So who muted Squat? He was muted right after he said what he did which was about his place of employment and clearly not offensive or politically charged as the what was said by others around him. So someone decided at that time it was a valid mute but ok for the orthers to go about policitcs?  How did Squat get muted without reports? If there were no reports how did he hit the magical number that put him over 5 for the week?
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Skuzzy on November 29, 2012, 02:43:43 PM
He did.  The reports were all valid and all came from the community.

I checked each one, against the time stamp and against what was said.  They were all valid.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 02:46:15 PM
OK no mass reports but lets  say 5 reports was enough? And I know what he said  but nobody reported the other guys? Onlyy 1 guy reported squat and that got him to 5? well atleast we know you have 5 report and thats all it takes even if you are baited. Is it 5 individual reports or 5 seperate cases(of different events)? If its 5 seperate cases then I retract everything I have said and Squat does deserve it but fomr looking at that convo on 200 it seemsawfully dodgy that the other instigators of that convo kept talking.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 02:53:59 PM
So how many to report this http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342054.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342054.0.html)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Skuzzy on November 29, 2012, 02:57:29 PM
It can be any number of events with one report for each, or it can be one event with five reports.  A player can only report someone once.  Any successive reports from the same player to the same player results in the timestamp being updated for that one report.

So how many to report this http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342054.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342054.0.html)

Just hit the "Report to moderator" link if you think it is in violation of the forum posting rules.  I cannot see Youtube, but I am not the only one who gets the notice.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 03:01:28 PM
I don't care about coke, I got my answers it's all clearly pretty arbitrary and.  5 guys working together can infact bait people into a vox bannning, by talking about a taboo subject then only reporting thier target and not each other. Then a weekl later do the same thing :aok  Would it also work if I got 5 people to report you for relinking an offensive subject?(if infact deemed offensive I dont think it is)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 29, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
5 guys working together can infact bait people into a vox bannning, by talking about a taboo subject then only reporting thier target and not each other.

As Skuzzy said, players are responsible for their own behaviour.

It's funny how you can have it explained to you multiple times and still not understand how it works.

The only flaw in the system is that someone can be .report'd 5 times for doing nothing wrong and still get muted, but then they just have to bring it to HTCs attention and they will check the logs and punish the 5 people who logged the false reports
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 03:14:16 PM
As Skuzzy said, players are responsible for their own behaviour.

It's funny how you can have it explained to you multiple times and still not understand how it works.

The only flaw in the system is that someone can be .report'd 5 times for doing nothing wrong and still get muted, but then they just have to bring it to HTCs attention and they will check the logs and punish the 5 people who logged the false reports
Yes I get the fact  plus the fact that clearly while the report may be valid it can be 'gamed' to be used as a weapon if 5 seeming unallingned guys report 1 guy but fail to report the instigatoiors that in the case of Squat were WAYYY more offensive then what squat said then clearly the system isnt working. BAsically I dont think the whole truth is being put forth and the 'looking into it' wasnt paticually thorough.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Ardy123 on November 29, 2012, 03:16:03 PM
Mass reports do happen, on occasion.  When they do, we fix it by taking the privs of the reporters away for the same period as it would have cost the person that was the target of the attack.


Once upon a time, there was a squad who did this.... prob still happens.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 29, 2012, 03:17:19 PM
Yes I get the fact  plus the fact that clearly while the report may be valid it can be 'gamed' to be used as a weapon if 5 seeming unallingned guys report 1 guy but fail to report the instigatoiors that in the case of Squat were WAYYY more offensive then what squat said then clearly the system isnt working. BAsically I dont the the whole truth is being put forth and the 'looking into it' wasnt paticually thorough.

Forewarned is forearmed, in the future you and your squaddies will know that it's possible for 5 people to 'game' the report system as you describe and you can keep your mouths shut...

...or turn the tables and mass report the other guys instead?

I wonder what the more sensible option would be.  :headscratch:

On a side note, you really need a bigger phone or smaller fingers dude :P

On a further side note, I was mass .report'd by guys from a certain squad a couple of times, but I didn't cry about it because I knew it just meant I had succeeded at getting their little panties in a bunch :D (and also because I only play AH at the weekends so being muted for a week isn't really a big deal)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 03:18:18 PM
Forewarned is forearmed, in the future you and your squaddies will know that it's possible to 5 people to 'game' the report system like this and you can either keep your mouths shut...

...or turn the tables and mass report the other guys instead?

I wonder which the more sensible option would be...
LOL clearly from the bait your tossing out I know which one you would opt for.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 03:26:11 PM

On a further side note, I was mass .report'd by guys from a certain squad a couple of times, but I didn't cry about it because I knew it just meant I had succeeded at getting their little panties in a bunch :D (and also because I only play AH at the weekends so being muted for a week isn't really a big deal)
That's because you actively troll, and accept the consequences of those actions
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 29, 2012, 03:29:15 PM
That's because you actively troll, and accept the consequences of those actions

Indeed :) Accepting the consequences of your actions and taking responsibility for your behaviour is a sign of maturity and something that adults do

I'm sure SQUAT will get there one day
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 03:35:01 PM
Indeed :) Accepting the consequences of your actions and taking responsibility for your behaviour is a sign of maturity and something that adults do

I'm sure SQUAT will get there one day
He's not a troll  and clearly that is  flamebaiting bro  wonder if I can get 5 to report you.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 29, 2012, 03:37:51 PM
You still don't understand the system?   :bhead

It takes 5 to report in the MA, only one on the forums

But if you get me perma banned from here you'll end up lonely with no one to argue with ;)
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 03:54:18 PM
See rule #4
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: LCADolby on November 29, 2012, 04:10:39 PM
Coombzy, you are being trolled.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: coombz on November 29, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
By 5 people working in cohesion  :banana:
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Nathan60 on November 29, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Coombzy, you are being trolled.
Nobody is being trolled. You werent there Dolby, clearly the system is not fail proof and the conversation that I saw with mine own eyes  did not warrant Squat neing text muted while the realy troublemakers  get of scott free. Ive already stated I dont think the investiagation was  very thorough.
Title: Re: Grounds for text suspension
Post by: Skuzzy on November 29, 2012, 04:22:45 PM
This one is done.