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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: bangsbox on December 02, 2012, 02:26:42 PM
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I can seem to kill a t85 with an m8 at point blank ranges. Even shots to the rear bounce off. I've even got off 3 shots to the flank before getting killed. Is there something I should know or should I just a void them
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So far as I can tell the T-34s are functionally immune to the M8.
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Try shooting at the turret ring if you can. Although I don't think you can accurately hit the turret ring at distance, it might be possible close up.
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The turret traverse speed of the T-34/85 also makes it more dangerous to the M8 than other tanks. It is just a bad package for M8s to deal with.
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Yea I think they are way to much for an m8 to handle. Though the penetration #s imply that you should be able to kill them. I just can't seem to do it no matter how close or where I hit them.
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Yea I think they are way to much for an m8 to handle. Though the penetration #s imply that you should be able to kill them. I just can't seem to do it no matter how close or where I hit them.
When you look at the penetration table are you factoring in how sloped the T-34's armor is or are you just looking at its blunt thickness in millimeters?
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:huh :huh :headscratch: :headscratch: Tank vs Dunebuggy.................... Tank always wins ! :old: :old: :neener: :neener: :bhead :bhead
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I killed a few T34's in the m8 of doom :joystick:
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Lower hull front should theoretically be vulnerable. Wouldn't the turret also be penetratable by the M8, though only at suicidally close range?
Hull sides, behind the tracks, under the sloped sections, should also be vulnerable.
I've killed a T-34 with an M8 before, but that was only when I was hiding inside of an undestroyed barn while he happened to park within my field of view and at close range. Tracked him, and he was either inable to get his gun on me, or didn't see my fire.
Closest comparison to going against a T-34 in an M8 is going against a Tiger II in a T-34/76 without HVAP. You can't realy hurt him from the front, you have to hit the right place on the sides, and without any deflection, going in behind doesn't help a whole lot aside from forcing his turret to traverse further, his gun can punch a hole through one side of your tank and out the other in escess of 2000m, and he's a bastage and a half to kill if the driver is even half smart.
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I've even fired with my gun inside him... Also I've tried flank shots and put 3 on same spot from 10ft and it was under slope over track and still he spun turret and banged my box
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I did some offline testing of the M8 vs. the T34/85. The T34 (76 or 85) has 3 one shot kill zones for most non-perk tanks. However, for the M8 these zones are much higher. For Kill Zone 1, at 400 out, it takes 11 direct hits. On the 4th hit the engine goes, on the 11th you get the kill. Now don't get to excited, there is a catch. You must be at an angle between 70 and 90 degrees & as i stated at a distance of 400 (good luck getting 5 shots off before the T34 spins its turret and puts you in the tower.
For Zone 2 at 400 it takes 12 direct hits to score the kill, I found that 9-10 hits gets the track. Again the angle and distance are 70-90 degrees at 400.
Zone 3 takes the least direct hits of all the Kill Zones, 9. However it is the most difficult to hit. You must it the exact weld between the lower and upper plates & be directly behind the T34 hitting at dead nutz 90 degrees. Again i took the shots at 400
(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n623/Gkitt/M8KillZones12.jpg)
(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n623/Gkitt/M8KillZone3.jpg)
Legal Disclaimer:The above independent study was performed by an individual without the benefit of any knowledge of standard protocol of performing an independent study. The author makes no validity of any claims prenoted within the body of the study, no gaurantees, whether implied or directly stated, are to be taken as fact within actual MA settings. Any reader of this study that believes these statements true, and decides to fire upon a T34-85 with an M-8, does so of their own freewill and peril. Have a nice Day
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In early war a while back I drove my t34/76 up to an m8 hit it broad side at 100 yards a dead center mass hit & nothing. He spun his gun around two shots into me & back to the tower.
My nose was square with the side of him was rather surprised to say the least.
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:huh :huh :headscratch: :headscratch: Tank vs Dunebuggy.................... Tank always wins ! :old: :old: :neener: :neener: :bhead :bhead
:rofl :rofl :rofl :lol :lol
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i need to try your "kill zones" with my barrel against it....lol 400 yrds 9 shot...thats 1.) way to far away. 2.) way too many shots 3.) you will be dead by your third shot even with a newbie at the :joystick:
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No one in a tank fears an M-8. It is better to use it to prevent a M-3 or a jeep from delivering troops and/or field supplies. As a scout, it has been replaced by the storch. It is a fun ride with all that speed, but it is not my first choice to fight other tanks. The M-18 has a bigger gun and is better suited for ambushing passer byes or getting to a tank battle quick.
Good luck
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No one in a tank fears an M-8. It is better to use it to prevent a M-3 or a jeep from delivering troops and/or field supplies. As a scout, it has been replaced by the storch. It is a fun ride with all that speed, but it is not my first choice to fight other tanks. The M-18 has a bigger gun and is better suited for ambushing passer byes or getting to a tank battle quick.
Good luck
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I bagged twelve Panzer IV Hs in one sortie in the M8 once. Panzer IVs are easy though. One shot to the back of the turret kills the turret and then two shots to the back of the hull kills the Panzer.
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I've killed Panzer IV's, T-34's, M4's, and even Panthers with the M8 before. Its not completely hopeless, you just a lot of skill, and even more luck. That said, I don't take the M8 out except for when I'm just dicking around, trying to see what shenanigans I can perform.... such as trolling the hell out of inept Panther drivers.
However, I will say its cannon makes about the most effective ad-hoc AA gun in the game. Flat trajectory, high rate of fire, and the element of suprise!
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2 in flank will kill a panzer H at close range
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ok i killed one with 2 shots to "kill Zone 2" from 10 ft:)
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However, I will say its cannon makes about the most effective ad-hoc AA gun in the game. Flat trajectory, high rate of fire, and the element of suprise!
i guess i prefer the t-34 for that role, i used to be pretty good at it back in the day, almost secured a town with 2 others with just me for air defense... they never seemed to learn
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Correction:
I did some offline testing of the M8 vs. the T34/85. The T34 (76 or 85) has 3 one shot kill zones for most non-perk tanks. However, for the M8 these zones are much higher. For Kill Zone 1, at 400 out, it takes 11I watched the video, it only takes 7 direct hits. On the 4th hit the engine goes, on the 11th7th you get the kill. Now don't get to excited, there is a catch. You must be at an angle between 70 and 90 degrees & as i stated at a distance of 400 (good luck getting 5 shots off before the T34 spins its turret and puts you in the tower.
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ok i killed one with 2 shots to "kill Zone 2" from 10 ft:)
Clarification...
I killed a t34/85 with 2 shots from an M8... barrel was almost touching him(screen shots to come).
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2 shots where red X is
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8340/t85b.jpg)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1886/t852.jpg)
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An M8 is a great Vbase and Port deacker, especially if you have a hill overlooking the base! :D
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M8 is good fun in a large GV battle. I wish it had a higher eny though...doesn't seem fair to be same as early panzer, Sherman, and t34. Yes it is fast but you need to press the barrel on enemy tanks to kill them and you have no chance of killing tigers,panthers(I put 5 rounds in side of one from 100ft),t85(very hard to do).
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You can kill Panthers fairly easily if you're lucky enough to find yourself in a good possition. The hard part is maneuvering into possition for a shot when hes aware of you.