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Title: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 02, 2012, 11:35:33 PM
Any way to get out of the friendzone?
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: BFOOT1 on December 02, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
Yes tell the person how you feel, convince them to give it a go and see how things workout  :salute
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: vorticon on December 02, 2012, 11:54:54 PM
yeah. walk away and find some slut that'll put out.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: BoilerDown on December 03, 2012, 01:29:22 AM
Is it your flight instructor we saw a pic of a few months back?
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Lusche on December 03, 2012, 01:37:51 AM
I had to google "friendzone". Thought it was another 'social network'....  :uhoh
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: megadud on December 03, 2012, 03:48:56 AM
It's simple as pie man you plant your feet in the ground you look her square in the eyes and you say hey! baby me and yous goin on a date thats end of story. Whats her name?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgyypjEpK6U&playnext=1&list=PL34810E92B1B39757&feature=results_video
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Scotch on December 03, 2012, 04:46:43 AM
Lance?
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: skorpx1 on December 03, 2012, 06:29:20 AM
There's a way, you just gotta find what it is. Don't rely on others for support - it gets you nowhere. Especially with women.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Traveler on December 03, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
What bigfoot said, I was friends with my wife of 30 years for 5 long painfull years, before askiing her out on an offical date and haveing the talk with her.  We married two years later.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 03, 2012, 10:58:54 AM
Is it your flight instructor we saw a pic of a few months back?


Yes.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 03, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
Thanks for all the advice y'all. If it was just some random girl I met it wouldn't be a big deal for me, but we have alot of mutual friends and I run the risk of seeing her every time I go flying. (She works where I keep my airplane) It would be terribly awkward if she says no.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: SilverZ06 on December 03, 2012, 11:31:02 AM
A bottle of wine worked wonders for me and the now wife.

Step 1: go to the store and buy a semi nice bottle(not BOX) of wine (but not too expensive)

Step 2: Buy a nice bouquet of flowers.

Step 3: Go to her house and ring the door bell (keep flowers and bottle of wine hidden behind your back.)

Step 4: when she answers present the flowers first

Step 5: while she is shocked and distracted by the beautiful flowers, smash the bottle of wine over her head

Step 6: drag her back to your car and or house like a caveman and have your way with her

Step 7: have a good story about how she slipped an fell on her door step and you saved her

Good luck






Your results may vary, I can not be held responsible for possible battery/rape charges that may follow if you cant come up with a good enough story
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: B4Buster on December 03, 2012, 12:20:52 PM
Thanks for all the advice y'all. If it was just some random girl I met it wouldn't be a big deal for me, but we have alot of mutual friends and I run the risk of seeing her every time I go flying. (She works where I keep my airplane) It would be terribly awkward if she says no.

I would just be up-front and honest with her regarding your feelings. Personally, even if she were to reject you, i think you two could still be adults about it and maintain a good relationship with eachother.

I wish I had a girlfriend who was a pilot.  :(
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Bodhi on December 03, 2012, 01:45:17 PM
A bottle of wine worked wonders for me and the now wife.

He is underaged.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: B4Buster on December 03, 2012, 02:25:16 PM
He is underaged.

Precisely. By David coming up with a bottle of wine, he proves that he is crafty and resourceful. Females like seeing this as it shows the man can provide for them.

Dirk Dastardly is hacking in Clearview.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Triton28 on December 03, 2012, 03:02:43 PM
There's a way, you just gotta find what it is. Don't rely on others for support - it gets you nowhere. Especially with women.

Yup.

Walked down this road before.  Felt really awkward.  Hardest part is convincing yourself the other person is feeling the same way, but at some point you just gotta make that reach, same as any other relationship. I waited until I was pretty sure that no person in their right mind would look at us and not think we were a couple.  Then I went for it.  Was shot down for a period of about 24 hours, until former friend realized the error of her ways and recanted her position that I could not love her like that.  After 8 years of marriage and two children, I still remind her of that from time to time.   :rofl 

Best part of relationships that begin in the "friendzone" is you already know what it's like to treat that person as your friend, which is exactly the foundation of every lasting relationship. 
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: ToeTag on December 03, 2012, 03:06:44 PM
(She works where I keep my airplane) It would be terribly awkward if she says no.

It would also be very awkward if she catches you in the bathroom doing a little pre-flight check....... :O
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Banshee7 on December 03, 2012, 03:49:07 PM
yeah. walk away and find some slut that'll put out.

Ya know, this is what I am for these days!!  :aok  :D

#S#



Josh
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: coombz on December 03, 2012, 04:28:28 PM
make sure she knows you like chicks

we've seen your haircut man
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: skorpx1 on December 03, 2012, 05:07:38 PM
make sure she knows you like chicks

we've seen your haircut man

:lol

That made my night.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tec on December 03, 2012, 05:36:56 PM
You could always test the waters by asking her to hook you up with one of her friends or start acting like you're interested in one of them.  If she starts hating on the one you say you want you're probably money, and if she hooks you up you'll know where you stand with her and maybe get a girl out of the deal.  It's a win/sort of win situation.  Unless she really digs you, and murders both you and the other girl out of jealousy because women are crazy.

Title: Re: Is there
Post by: BoilerDown on December 03, 2012, 05:54:15 PM
Yes.

From that pic I think we all thought she was impressed with and probably "in" to you.  She was pretty attractive too.  I think you just go and ask her out on a date.  If she says no, you'll still remain friends, but you'll know to look elsewhere.  The awkward phase will diminish very quickly, and won't end your chances later on after she knows you've dated other girls.

At least, that's my advice.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 03, 2012, 05:57:28 PM
make sure she knows you like chicks

we've seen your haircut man

I cut most of my hair off
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Groth on December 03, 2012, 06:09:26 PM
 IF you did it yourself..see a barber before you see her again...

 and good luck.

JGroth
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 03, 2012, 06:11:20 PM
IF you did it yourself..see a barber before you see her again...

 and good luck.

JGroth


 :rofl

No, I had a barber do it.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: shotgunneeley on December 03, 2012, 06:18:39 PM
I cut most of my hair off

(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l575/shotgunneeley/fester.jpg)
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 03, 2012, 06:27:05 PM
This is me with "short" hair, giving my old airplane a hug after I washed it

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/14154_3928324447048_2042983746_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: 68ZooM on December 03, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
How old is she?  And has she giving you any signs that she might be interested beyond friends ?  Sometimes you have to grab life before it passes you by  :aok

Oh btw Ummmm that pic  :huh it's almost like a David Hasselhoff hugging puppies look.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Meatwad on December 03, 2012, 10:28:51 PM
We arent talking 17 and 35, are we?


I did know at one time a 18 year old kid married a woman that was in her 40's. Her "husband" and her son both went to the same school and both seniors.


This was an actual true story too. Only in southern Illinois  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 03, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
18 and 23.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 03, 2012, 11:27:06 PM
How old is she?  And has she giving you any signs that she might be interested beyond friends ?  Sometimes you have to grab life before it passes you by  :aok

Oh btw Ummmm that pic  :huh it's almost like a David Hasselhoff hugging puppies look.

We hang out fairly often, do a lot of stuff together, we're planning on a Bahamas trip in April. (Drinking age is 18 in the Bahamas)
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: 1pLUs44 on December 04, 2012, 08:35:14 AM
We hang out fairly often, do a lot of stuff together, we're planning on a Bahamas trip in April. (Drinking age is 18 in the Bahamas)

Wait till April, then go, and let the booze and the beach do all of the talking for you.  :aok
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: B4Buster on December 04, 2012, 09:59:05 AM
Wait till April, then go, and let the booze and the beach do all of the talking for you.  :aok

He needs to be careful with that one. A guy who gets sloppy drunk is a turnoff for a lot of women. You also need to be careful with women when alcohol is involded... for...moral and legal reasons.  :uhoh
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Bodhi on December 04, 2012, 12:51:57 PM
That's a big age difference Tupac.  Be cool and don't rush things.  You're still young and have a lot of time ahead of you.  If you want to impress her, impress her with your maturity and your actions.  If it works out in April that you both go to the Bahamas without others involved, then that is a good indication that she probably likes you a bit more than friends.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: titanic3 on December 04, 2012, 01:31:48 PM
Try your best to be zack1234. He lives the dream.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: B4Buster on December 04, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Try your best to be zack1234. He lives the dream.

I think Tupac is living the dream. He owns a cool airplane and gets to fly around the country. The best part is, he doesn't have to worry about going to work everyday. I am immensely jealous of/happy for him.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 07, 2012, 10:19:07 AM
Finally manned up and asked her out yesterday. I got laundryzoned.

"It sounds like fun, but I gotta do laundry."

True story.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: SilverZ06 on December 07, 2012, 10:29:48 AM
Finally manned up and asked her out yesterday. I got laundryzoned.

"It sounds like fun, but I gotta do laundry."

True story.

ouch, oh well. better to try and know than torture yourself wondering.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 07, 2012, 10:47:04 AM
ouch, oh well. better to try and know than torture yourself wondering.  :cheers:

Yup. Oh well, it sucks and I feel bad, but I'll survive. I'm gonna eat some bacon and go to the gym.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2012, 11:27:28 AM
Ask again maybe she wont be doing laundry.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 07, 2012, 11:39:33 AM
Ask again maybe she wont be doing laundry.

Saturday is laundry day since its her only day off of work.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: curry1 on December 07, 2012, 12:10:16 PM
Finally manned up and asked her out yesterday. I got laundryzoned.

"It sounds like fun, but I gotta do laundry."

True story.


(http://i.imgur.com/HfUA1.gif)
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: B4Buster on December 07, 2012, 02:10:54 PM
Finally manned up and asked her out yesterday. I got laundryzoned.

"It sounds like fun, but I gotta do laundry."

True story.

Sorry it didn't go as planned. I don't think you're out of the running for good though.

I had some bacon this morning...delicious.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 07, 2012, 02:27:33 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/HfUA1.gif)


more like

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3d4l4WIWk1rn19nco1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Triton28 on December 07, 2012, 03:53:20 PM
Meh... no big deal.

Trust me when I say, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.  All you gotta do is be you.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Meatwad on December 07, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
Finally manned up and asked her out yesterday. I got laundryzoned.

"It sounds like fun, but I gotta do laundry."

True story.

You can recover from this. Just offer that you can help her do her laundry by washing all her bras and panties
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: megadud on December 08, 2012, 09:33:05 AM
try this...

Go up to her and say...

What can i say? i like the way your put together. What'll you say we go on a date? Have some chicken, maybe some sex you know, see what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKiSPUc2Jck
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: MarineUS on December 08, 2012, 10:50:01 AM
You have these things between your legs.

You need to grab them, remember you're a man, and then just throw it out there (not like that!).

 :bolt:
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Stalwart on December 08, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
Why would anyone want to marry these days?  Women don't want to be wives, they just want to have husbands.  It ain't worth it.

Anything that flies floats or f...  is cheaper to rent.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Golfer on December 08, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
Pop up to DFW for a visit. We'll get some BBQ and if you still need it I'll beat you with a shovel behind the tool shed.

Here for the next 2 weeks for an initial.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: bagrat on December 08, 2012, 10:13:57 PM
ladies like persistence, so even if they say no jus keep trying. It let's em know you're not a quitter. Maybe in her in her crazy girl head a male must jump through at least 2 hoops to prove worthy of a date, the hoop amount may vary due to the kind of vehicle u pull up in or how diligently u bathed before.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tank-Ace on December 08, 2012, 10:29:41 PM
I agree with bagrat; be persistent. While their logic and reasoning skills may be flawed, paradoxically they tend to be more stable in a relationship.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 09, 2012, 08:34:18 AM
I'm good buddies with the tower controllers where I keep my plane (and where she instructs) one of my friends said that I should ask her out on the radio next time we're on the same freq. I could clear it with the tower controllers an have flowers or something for her when we land.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Golfer on December 09, 2012, 10:18:41 AM
Are you asking her to dinner or to marry you?
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 09, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
Dinner, BUT that will definitely put her on the spot and I can either quit wasting my time and move on to someone else, or she will say yes and we can go to dinner.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Golfer on December 09, 2012, 01:54:34 PM
Okay.

If you want to retain any reputation then just let it go. Don't be interested.  Let it to.  This will either cause you to be happy and not subject yourself to this masochistic behavior or she'll take an interest because you no longer are. Either way you're out clean.

Life isn't a romantic comedy and if you develop a reputation or being a lovesick puppy you'll have continued lack of success going forward.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: xNOVAx on December 09, 2012, 02:39:34 PM
I'm good buddies with the tower controllers where I keep my plane (and where she instructs) one of my friends said that I should ask her out on the radio next time we're on the same freq. I could clear it with the tower controllers an have flowers or something for her when we land.

Any elaborate 'asking out' for the first time usually never works. Putting her on the spot like that would put her on the defensive instantly and be a huge fail. Also, flowers before you're dating is a big no no IMO. As part of asking out for the first time, even a bigger no no as they could be seen as a crutch. Like, 'hey look how sweet and thoughtful I am. I bought you flowers. Will go out with me? Pleeeeaaaase?' If she wants to out with you, it wont be because you bought her flowers, it will be because she want to go out with you. Flowers initially add nothing. Girls don't want sweet and thoughtful right away, they want guys that are just doing their thing, and if a girl fits into that, so be it. If you pursue too hard, or come up with an elaborate plan to ask her out, you'll be seen as desperate. Just my $0.02
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Scotch on December 09, 2012, 03:15:26 PM
Yeah, do what I do. Move on to her friend. Then she'll get jealous and interested. :)
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: ap1102 on December 09, 2012, 03:31:17 PM
Tupac I'm sure she's older than you right?  It's common for you to have those type of feelings to someone who shares your interest. You have to recognize that shes seen a bit more of the world than you have. Your age is probably what's keeping her interest at arms length. You have to accept that. You are good looking young man with the whole world ahead of you. Slow down and don't be so quick to grab the first shiny thing you see.  Remember thank god for unanswered prayers.

You'll understand later in life.

Ezrhino
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Meatwad on December 09, 2012, 04:07:06 PM
Women instantly fall in love with anybody that flashes money  ;)
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: coombz on December 09, 2012, 04:07:47 PM
this guy is redefining the term 'beta male' with every post

<3 you Dave
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tank-Ace on December 09, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
Dinner, BUT that will definitely put her on the spot and I can either quit wasting my time and move on to someone else, or she will say yes and we can go to dinner.


TERRIBLE idea to put her on the spot. Even if she says yes, it likely won't end well for you.

1) putting her on the spot really just means she's feeling preasured, and with others listening, she'll feel preasured to say yes. So that'll mildly piss her off.... or maybe not so mildly, I don't know the girl.

2) if she says yes, it might not be because she actually wants to. Like I said, she'll have others watching/listening. She might be afraid of seeming mean if she proverbially shoots you down like a Ju-52 with a fighter on it's tail.

3) if she says yes, and didn't want to, she'll end up resenting you for both putting her on the spot like that, AND making her go on a date with you.


Nearly all possible outcomes are negative.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: morfiend on December 09, 2012, 06:47:56 PM

TERRIBLE idea to put her on the spot. Even if she says yes, it likely won't end well for you.

1) putting her on the spot really just means she's feeling preasured, and with others listening, she'll feel preasured to say yes. So that'll mildly piss her off.... or maybe not so mildly, I don't know the girl.

2) if she says yes, it might not be because she actually wants to. Like I said, she'll have others watching/listening. She might be afraid of seeming mean if she proverbially shoots you down like a Ju-52 with a fighter on it's tail.

3) if she says yes, and didn't want to, she'll end up resenting you for both putting her on the spot like that, AND making her go on a date with you.


Nearly all possible outcomes are negative.


    :rolleyes:


    This from someone with so many years experience!

 Tupac either man up and just ask her out or move on. You could do yourself a  favour and not "pose" for those FB pix,IMHO they make you look gray..... :devil  Most women want a badboy to fool around with until the right wallet comes along!


     :salute
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: curry1 on December 09, 2012, 06:50:09 PM
If you watch breaking bad you would know that it is a sort of awkward situation when that gif happens.  The guy is drinking the water to avoid showing his facial expression of the idiocy going on around him.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Golfer on December 09, 2012, 06:52:40 PM
You really need to be uninterested. Like you could take her or leave her. If you're interested and she knows it you're no fun.  Especially if she's got a little alpha in her and if she's making a career in aviation...she does.

She's cute. No doubt about it. But if you think your skinny 18 year old self is going to snag a cute chick in a sausage fest industry by fawning over her you're dreaming.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: coombz on December 09, 2012, 06:57:40 PM
For once I have to completely agree with Tank Ace, embarassing her into agreeing to go out with you is bound to backfire
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: titanic3 on December 09, 2012, 07:51:14 PM
Asking advice about women from old men and boys who plays video games... Uh.....  :banana:
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Seanaldinho on December 09, 2012, 07:53:26 PM
Asking advice about women from old men and boys who plays video games... Uh.....  :banana:

Hey!
Speak for yourself some of us have game   :old:  :neener:
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: titanic3 on December 09, 2012, 07:58:02 PM
Hey!
Speak for yourself some of us have game   :old:  :neener:

The only game you'll ever have.  :banana:
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: uptown on December 09, 2012, 08:11:51 PM
what would snooky do
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: 68ZooM on December 09, 2012, 08:28:42 PM
what would snooky do

snookie would bone anything
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: CZCH64 on December 09, 2012, 09:18:52 PM
I was never in the in the "friend zone" with my wife of 25 years, we started "dating" right after we met each other. But she did make me wait and work a little bit for "it"..lol. :bhead Bringing candy canes for her Xmas tree did the trick...Twas a Merry Xmas indeed......lol.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 10, 2012, 08:16:31 AM
this guy is redefining the term 'beta male' with every post

<3 you Dave

True story. <3 u too Coombzy.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: megadud on December 10, 2012, 09:15:51 AM
tupac...listen...all you need to do is start calling her babycakes and tell her how cool you were in high school. 60% of the time it works every time. :aok
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: ToeTag on December 10, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
Finally manned up and asked her out yesterday. I got laundryzoned.

"It sounds like fun, but I gotta do laundry."

True story.

Shoulda waited to see how she was acting around you in the Bahamas.  The right place and the right amount of booze generally makes it a whole different ballgame.  I'll bet she bounces on the Bahamas now.  I know if a girl is showing interest in me and I am interested in her........I skip laundry night.  Go after another chick and talk about her.....is about the only way something might happen now.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 10, 2012, 11:47:29 AM
Already done. Went on a date with a different girl yesterday.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: B4Buster on December 10, 2012, 11:52:52 AM
Already done. Went on a date with a different girl yesterday.

Saw the pics...she's a cutie. Seemed to be impressed by the Mooney as well.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: ebfd11 on December 10, 2012, 04:02:08 PM
To answer you for real, stop chasing her but remain friends. Seek female advice from her and invite her and a couple of friends out for a get together aka lunch out on the town as a group. Show her the real you and don't be a dick. Treat her better than you would treat your mom and she will either come seek you or lose out on a good thing.

One thing I can say is show her respect and it goes a long way.

LawnDart
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Babalonian on December 10, 2012, 05:23:20 PM
Yup. Oh well, it sucks and I feel bad, but I'll survive. I'm gonna eat some bacon and go to the gym.

Already done. Went on a date with a different girl yesterday.

Ataboy, sounds overall a better than decent week.   :aok
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: 1pLUs44 on December 10, 2012, 10:32:10 PM
Ataboy, sounds overall a better than decent week.   :aok

If only I had known to eat bacon and work out the first time I got dumped.  :bhead
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 10, 2012, 10:43:32 PM
If only I had known to eat bacon and work out the first time I got dumped.  :bhead

It's the solution to all of lifes problems.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: xNOVAx on December 11, 2012, 12:13:44 AM
It's the solution to all of lifes problems.

Just wait til you're 21..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVwR0rw5fk

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 11, 2012, 09:07:34 AM
Just wait til you're 21..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVwR0rw5fk

 :cheers:

Or when Im in Europe.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: deSelys on December 11, 2012, 09:11:35 AM
When will you be visiting Europe, and where will you go?
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: VonMessa on December 11, 2012, 09:12:55 AM
Did you try texting her pictures of your Johnson?
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 11, 2012, 09:30:25 AM
When will you be visiting Europe, and where will you go?

Still not 100% on the dates yet, but I know I will be getting a 3 month Eurail pass and visiting alot of the different countries.

Did you try texting her pictures of your Johnson?


Ah, the "Favre" method.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 11, 2012, 09:33:27 AM
It will probably be in the first or second month of 2013 when I head there though.
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: VonMessa on December 11, 2012, 09:38:39 AM
Still not 100% on the dates yet, but I know I will be getting a 3 month Eurail pass and visiting alot of the different countries.

Ah, the "Favre" method.

Exactly!  I just didn't want to mention any names for fear of copyright infringement...
Title: Re: Is there
Post by: Tupac on December 11, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
Exactly!  I just didn't want to mention any names for fear of copyright infringement...


Crocs and c*cks.