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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Dace on December 07, 2012, 05:59:58 AM
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So I'm going be doing a bit of an upgrade and was thinking about going with an SSD. I've heard about how fast they are and what a difference they can make as far as speed goes.
Aces High is pretty much the only game I play. That said my question is; does AH have to be installed on the SSD to take advantage of the "speed". With so little space on the common SSD, I'm just kinda curious about them and how it could benefit me the most.
Oh btw here's my system specs in case it matters:
i3 2120
8GB ram
HD6670 (part of the upgrade will also be getting a 7770)
500w PS (thinkin about upgrading here also)
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In order for anything to get advantage from the SSD it has to be installed on it.
Skuzzy has warned against installing AH2 to a SSD because of the microwrites it does - but if you get one with a 5 year warranty it should not be a problem. They're rated for hundreds of gigabytes of writes every day for 5 years.
SSDs are not small nowadays, you can get 8gb - 2Tb ranges. Of course the 2Tb model will cost you thousands.
Even regular consumer drives go up to 480Gb.
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I am using a 64GB ssd for my desktop operating system and a 1tb WB caviar black for everything else. I originally had AH on my SSD but switch it over to the regular HDD after Skuzzy's recommendations. I did not notice any changes in actual game performance. What you will notice a nice boost in is initial boot time and programs will load almost instantly. I love my ssd. But If I had to do it all over again, (which I am getting ready to buy a 500GB SSD for my lap top) I would buy a 128gb at the very least. My 64GB ssd is almost full now. I believe I only have 15GB free.
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I am using a 64GB ssd for my desktop operating system and a 1tb WB caviar black for everything else. I originally had AH on my SSD but switch it over to the regular HDD after Skuzzy's recommendations. I did not notice any changes in actual game performance. What you will notice a nice boost in is initial boot time and programs will load almost instantly. I love my ssd. But If I had to do it all over again, (which I am getting ready to buy a 500GB SSD for my lap top) I would buy a 128gb at the very least. My 64GB ssd is almost full now. I believe I only have 15GB free.
You can free up a lot of space from your windows installation by removing the system restore and running ccleaner to get rid fo backups and old service packs etc. Savings of several gigabytes are easily possible. Of course with your track record with the Ubuntu installation, perhaps it's just easyer to get the larger drive instead ;)
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You can free up a lot of space from your windows installation by removing the system restore and running ccleaner to get rid fo backups and old service packs etc. Savings of several gigabytes are easily possible. Of course with your track record with the Ubuntu installation, perhaps it's just easyer to get the larger drive instead ;)
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So I'm going be doing a bit of an upgrade and was thinking about going with an SSD. I've heard about how fast they are and what a difference they can make as far as speed goes.
Aces High is pretty much the only game I play. That said my question is; does AH have to be installed on the SSD to take advantage of the "speed". With so little space on the common SSD, I'm just kinda curious about them and how it could benefit me the most.
Oh btw here's my system specs in case it matters:
i3 2120
8GB ram
HD6670 (part of the upgrade will also be getting a 7770)
500w PS (thinkin about upgrading here also)
I too am new to the SSD environment and I've seen all kinds of recommendations against using one with Winblows XP but I purchased Paragon Drive Copy12 and cloned one of my drives to the SSD and have been running off it for a month now without incident as my system boot drive. I've read that you do NOT want to defrag an SSD but folks like MrRipley are much more knowledgeable than I on these technical do's and don'ts. I do run AH and everything else off the SSD with the exception of my email. I'm running an OCZ Vertex 3 120gb SSD.
All the Best...
Jay
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A person can take thier documents folder and move it also to save space.
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Newegg has info on windows tweaks for SSD performance/etc.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/CategoryIntelligenceArticle.aspx?articleId=291
basically tells you what to turn off in windows so windows doesn't end up killing your SSD.
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I too am new to the SSD environment and I've seen all kinds of recommendations against using one with Winblows XP but I purchased Paragon Drive Copy12 and cloned one of my drives to the SSD and have been running off it for a month now without incident as my system boot drive. I've read that you do NOT want to defrag an SSD but folks like MrRipley are much more knowledgeable than I on these technical do's and don'ts. I do run AH and everything else off the SSD with the exception of my email. I'm running an OCZ Vertex 3 120gb SSD.
All the Best...
Jay
The problem with you running the SSD on XP is that XP lacks support for TRIM and other SSD optimizations. It means that your drive will suffer a heavy performance degradation once it's fully written over. You should run trim manually with a program supplied by the ssd maker if possible.
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Random question: So if you don't back up your SSD, when it's unable to write any more data/die, you basically lost all your data?
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So if i have my SSD cloned i should just run Aces off my F drive instead of C drive?Should i just uninstall from C drive then?
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Random question: So if you don't back up your SSD, when it's unable to write any more data/die, you basically lost all your data?
The data still "exists" but there's no way to find it. Like having a mansion in the mountains without a road to actually get there by.
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Random question: So if you don't back up your SSD, when it's unable to write any more data/die, you basically lost all your data?
All modern ssds have 'overprovision'. It means that a part of the storage space is reserved for later use when memory blocks start dying. If the controller detects a bad block it reassigns the slot to one of the extra ones. You will never run into a situation where all your blocks would be at the end of life, your performance would have tanked long time before that and most likely different kinds of error messages occur.
Early sandforce drives had a firmware problem which bricked many ssds leaving them with 8 megabytes of usable space. Those bugs are nowadays honed out.
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The data still "exists" but there's no way to find it. Like having a mansion in the mountains without a road to actually get there by.
You should have your data backed up anyway. No matter what drive you use.
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How would i uninstall from c drive and keep it on f drive?
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How would i uninstall from c drive and keep it on f drive?
Just copy or move the whole AH2 folder. You may need to recreate your shortcuts on desktop.
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I have SSD mirrored on my hd so i guess i can just delete from my ssd?
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I have SSD mirrored on my hd so i guess i can just delete from my ssd?
Not if you have it mirrored, then you'll lose both copies naturally.
Why do you want to delete it from the ssd?
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You can also just get a hybrid drive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148837
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I am not running raid and i already fixed the shortcut.Why keep it there if i am not gonna use it.Also i noticed that when playing again on my HD that sometimes when theres alot of ground detail to load it freezes for just a half a second to load those from HD.It did not do that from my SSD.So should i just delete the files to get more space?
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I am not running raid and i already fixed the shortcut.Why keep it there if i am not gonna use it.Also i noticed that when playing again on my HD that sometimes when theres alot of ground detail to load it freezes for just a half a second to load those from HD.It did not do that from my SSD.So should i just delete the files to get more space?
Why would you want to delete your files from the SSD if you have problems running AH from the hdd? I don't get it.
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I do not get why you would have any problems running Aces High from the hard drive, unless you are running other programs which interfere with file access (any anti-xxx software at all).
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Hi all,
some tweaks for SSD drives for windows 7 :
http://www.overclock.net/t/1133897/windows-7-ssd-tweaking-guide
Some tweaks might be useful for most, but not for all.
I have made most changes listed, and backup my system with Ghost program.
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You can free up a lot of space from your windows installation by removing the system restore and running ccleaner to get rid fo backups and old service packs etc. Savings of several gigabytes are easily possible. Of course with your track record with the Ubuntu installation, perhaps it's just easyer to get the larger drive instead ;)
Just an FYI, I stopped the hibernation and lowered my page file (was 16gb now 1gb) and my 64g SSD now has 25GB of free storage instead of being within 3GB of maxed out. Running great.
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Just an FYI, I stopped the hibernation and lowered my page file (was 16gb now 1gb) and my 64g SSD now has 25GB of free storage instead of being within 3GB of maxed out. Running great.
That's great to hear!
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The tip with disabling system restore is a bad, reducing the storage size would be better.
With enough RAM (8GiB or more) you could even disable the page file, at least reduce size even further than the 1GiB recommended in the tweaking guide.
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The tip with disabling system restore is a bad, reducing the storage size would be better.
With enough RAM (8GiB or more) you could even disable the page file, at least reduce size even further than the 1GiB recommended in the tweaking guide.
If system restore was done right, I would agree with you, but it is only half right and can mess up a computer to the point of having to re-install the OS.
Never disable the page file in Windows. Never. Lock the size of it and get rid of the dynamic allocation, but do not remove it.
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Never disable the page file in Windows. Never. Lock the size of it and get rid of the dynamic allocation, but do not remove it.
At the risk of opening a can of worms, why?
I did it once on a machine I was trying to squeeze every last drop out of the hardware in it, had 4GB of RAM running a 32 bit OS, so I figured why not get rid of the pagefile?
I experienced no ill effects from it and ran it that way for probably 2 years. I was playing either AH or the other sim heavily at the time.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious what the issue is that it causes?
Wiley.
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At the risk of opening a can of worms, why?
I did it once on a machine I was trying to squeeze every last drop out of the hardware in it, had 4GB of RAM running a 32 bit OS, so I figured why not get rid of the pagefile?
I experienced no ill effects from it and ran it that way for probably 2 years. I was playing either AH or the other sim heavily at the time.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious what the issue is that it causes?
Wiley.
I'm running a Q6600 with 4GB ram / 64 bit and I run with my pagefile disabled. I agree that for most users tweaking with their system that don't know what they are doing is bad news.
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At the risk of opening a can of worms, why?
I did it once on a machine I was trying to squeeze every last drop out of the hardware in it, had 4GB of RAM running a 32 bit OS, so I figured why not get rid of the pagefile?
I experienced no ill effects from it and ran it that way for probably 2 years. I was playing either AH or the other sim heavily at the time.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious what the issue is that it causes?
Wiley.
http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2008/11/17/3155406.aspx
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http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2008/11/17/3155406.aspx
Thanks, Bighorn! That's an interesting read.
Wiley.