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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Major Biggles on December 14, 2012, 08:55:00 PM
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My heartfelt condolences to any of you who have been effected by this awful tragedy.
Like I've said before I love guns and I think it's great that Americans have the right to own them, but surely this should be enough reason to look at limiting gun ownership to those who have passed psychological testing and have demonstrated a real need to own a weapon? The fact that an apparently medicated autistic can own a firearm able to kill 27 people is madness.
This is so heartbreaking.
Again my most heartfelt sympathies to anyone this has effected. I can't imagine what I'd be thinking if that had been one of my children...
Thoughts and prayers <S>
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Like I've said before I love guns and I think it's great that Americans have the right to own them, but surely this should be enough reason to look at limiting gun ownership to those who have passed psychological testing and have demonstrated a real need to own a weapon? The fact that an apparently medicated autistic can own a firearm able to kill 27 people is madness.
The "need" is to prevent those who mean to rule us from being the only ones armed.
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They were not his guns, and he didn't have them legally. Try again
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The "need" is to prevent those who mean to rule us from being the only ones armed.
I understand that and in many ways agree that a populace has the right to arm itself to protect itself from oppression etc. Would it be so awful to have to pass a 30 min interview and apply for a licence before owning a weapon though?
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They were not his guns, and he didn't have them legally. Try again
I'm slowly learning details, apologies. Could this crisis have been averted if the family had been assessed by an interviewer, who might have determined that special storage requirements were needed to keep weapons out of the hands of a clearly troubled child?
I'm not talking invasive and far-fetched inquisitions here, just a more responsible approach to the sale of firearms, especially those designed as anti-personnel weapons (handguns) rather than bolt-action hunting rifles or shotguns.
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I understand that and in many ways agree that a populace has the right to arm itself to protect itself from oppression etc. Would it be so awful to have to pass a 30 min interview and apply for a licence before owning a weapon though?
They do backround checks on people trying to buy a firearm.
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Outrage!
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Posted this in the other thread that was started.
While I am not stirring the pot by any means, after reading a update on the story it sounds very fishy. The mom bought her son the guns. The mom was found dead at her son's place where she should have been at work at that school where she taught kindergarten. The shooter was buzzed in by the security guard. Most visitors have to check in before going anywhere in school especially during school hours. How the security didnt see the shooter wearing a bullet proof vest and strapped with guns is very strange. While can hide the guns, a bullet proof vest cant 100% be concealable can it? The shooter than went to the kindergarten class where his mom taught and began the shooting. After reading the update it just sounds very strange in my head.
I lived near the town where it occurred both the med school I am currently attending and the town I grew up in are an hour from it, just in opposite directions (from CT). But I knew many friends that live in the town it occurred in from undergraduate, friends that went to that elementary school growing up, and live a couple streets over from the school.
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They do backround checks on people trying to buy a firearm.
A criminal record search that takes 20 minutes. What is needed is for someone independent to sit down with someone and talk to them for 30 mins, to assess if they're a friggin nutter or not...
To be honest though, guns don't kill people, it's the crackpots behind them. The most important issue here is that there are so many fluffied up american teenagers offing themselves and others. One thing that MUST happen now is for all Americans to look at the causes behind these teen's radical actions...
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My heartfelt condolences to any of you who have been effected by this awful tragedy.
Like I've said before I love guns and I think it's great that Americans have the right to own them, but surely this should be enough reason to look at limiting gun ownership to those who have passed psychological testing and have demonstrated a real need to own a weapon? The fact that an apparently medicated autistic can own a firearm able to kill 27 people is madness.
This is so heartbreaking.
Again my most heartfelt sympathies to anyone this has effected. I can't imagine what I'd be thinking if that had been one of my children...
Thoughts and prayers <S>
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Should the parents have been asked to secure their weapons in lockers with separate storage for ammunition then? Does a background check extend the the medical histories of one's family, and if not, should it?
Mental health issues in a family should make it far harder to buy a firearm.
I'll put this in perspective, I'm a Brit but I love shooting, I'm a regular game shooter and I've shot 90% of western military hardware over the last few years in the military. I'd love to have the freedom to own the sort of weapons that you do in America but ultimately, I don't trust the random bloke down the street to own that same weapon. I'm not suggesting limiting the sort of weapons owned, I'm just saying that in order to earn the right to bear arms one should be mentally competent and have proven a need for ownership, even if that need is home defense or sport shooting. Is it so offensive to suggest that to buy a gun, particularly an auto/semi-automatic, you should have to pass a mental health interview and a general assessment of 'weirdness level'???
Is a slightly longer wait to buy your new Sig or AR so painful that it's worth a child's life to you?
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Connecticut already has some of the strictest gun laws around. Just say'n
Still. I dont think this is the time for this debate for either side of the argument. Couple days maybe. yea. But not now
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Ban the guns and the nuts will just find other means to do bad stuff with. Then we keep banning stuff until we are all armed with blenders or other household appliances. Problem wasn't what he had in his hands it was what he had in his head and in his heart. I couldn't fathom what kind of "shut off" a person like that hasto do bad stuff to kids could have. It seems these people just keep trying to out do each other. Pretty sick.
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Connecticut already has some of the strictest gun laws around. Just say'n
Still. I dont think this is the time for this debate for either side of the argument. Couple days maybe. yea. But not now
Perhaps. My apologies for wading into what is and should remain an issue for Americans.
The rest of the world is however waiting to see what happens with baited breath. It doesn't matter where you're from, 20 children murdered by an autistic kid with legally purchased weapons is abominable. Clearly the strict gun laws in Connecticut weren't quite strict enough in this case. Interesting to see that gun crime is far lower around the world even in countries where the number of firearms owned per capita is higher. Is american gun (and youth) culture the real culprit here?
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Amazing. 20 kids died today and the discussion is more concerned with protecting the guns.
Focus on those that died and their families.
Leave the gun discussion for later.
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Ban the guns and the nuts will just find other means to do bad stuff with. Then we keep banning stuff until we are all armed with blenders or other household appliances. Problem wasn't what he had in his hands it was what he had in his head and in his heart. I couldn't fathom what kind of "shut off" a person like that hasto do bad stuff to kids could have. It seems these people just keep trying to out do each other. Pretty sick.
Agreed but if you are unarmed it's easier to stop a guy with a knife than it is with an automatic weapon. It was a similar shooting to this that led to the banning of handguns in the UK. I'd never suggest banning handguns but limiting their use to those deemed mentally capable and safe is surely a reasonable option?
Like I say I'm a Brit so this isn't my issue. I'll try to keep out of this from now on. Know that the world's sympathies are with your communities at this awful time <S>
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He didnt even buy the guns as that is mentioned above.
His mom bought the guns. His mom gave him the guns. The same guns the he used to kill himself, his mother, and those at the school.
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TEARS! tears! tears!
In the night, in solitude, tears;
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Tears—not a star shining—all dark and desolate;
Moist tears from the eyes of a muffled head: 5
—O who is that ghost?—that form in the dark, with tears?
What shapeless lump is that, bent, crouch’d there on the sand?
Streaming tears—sobbing tears—throes, choked with wild cries;
O storm, embodied, rising, careering, with swift steps along the beach;
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O shade, so sedate and decorous by day, with calm countenance and regulated pace;
But away, at night, as you fly, none looking—O then the unloosen’d ocean,
Of tears! tears! tears!
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TOO SOON!
Impossible to make suggestions about what could have been done until all the facts are in. At best it's speculation and will probably be erroneous.
Focus on the sadness and tragedy. I know young children that were in lockdown at school today one town away from Newtown CT, I'm much more concerned at the moment about their (and those affected) mental well-being.
Furthermore, talking about gun laws is politics, which correct me if I'm wrong, but is not allowed here.
My prayers to those affected.
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Amazing. 20 kids died today and the discussion is more concerned with protecting the guns.
Focus on those that died and their families.
Leave the gun discussion for later.
I wish we could. I first became aware of this by someone chatting about it on AH this morning. When I logged I went into Facebook and read a dozen or more posts calling for an end to the 2nd Amendment, ban the NRA, etc. What I fully predict and with almost a 100% certainty of being right, two actually: One, this person will have had a known, document history of mental illness. Second, the shooter broke dozens of laws in place already.
Sad, but this is the nature of discussion in America.
Boo
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I'm surprised every school in US isn't already equipped with armed guards. Why the principal and the psychologist ran to the corridor to face the armed attacker instead of an armed guard?
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I'm surprised every school in US isn't already equipped with armed guards. Why the principal and the psychologist ran to the corridor to face the armed attacker instead of an armed guard?
Almost all middle schools and high schools have a police officer assigned to them. Elementary schools not so much. Middle school and high school students more likely to have a violent episode during school, hence the cop is available to stop the fight through various means.
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Tens of millions of gun owners in the United States DIDN'T kill anyone yesterday.
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Tens of millions of gun owners in the United States DIDN'T kill anyone yesterday.
I'm sure that argument will soothe the parents whose kids didn't come home that day.
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I think it despicable for anyone to use this tragedy as a platform for gun reform. Last warning. Anyone trying to do so will be banned from this board. It is not only a violation of the forum posting rules, but it is also violation of common decency.