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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: wizzer on March 05, 2001, 08:17:00 PM
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As most of you know, I've been here since beta. I really love most parts of the game. The (1) thing that is bothering me, is the 2.5 hour+ downtime for the radar.
I could care less if we do, or don't have dar. But being one of the last rooks, not to change sides. It's getting hard to justify spending $30.00 a month to find 5 bogeys 5K above you and now where to go. "I wouldn't have done it, but couldn't see em on dar!" You would know...it's ded again. Seems like every nite since the tour change, rooks don't have dar. Lotta new guys, squad rotations..I can deal with that. Doesn't matter to me if its gangbanging, or whatever you would like to call it. It's gettin old. Let me be very clear. I could care less if the arena is reset every nite by the nits or bish, it is not fun if the enme can see you and you can't see them! Sour grapes..maybe, but like most people that pay for this silly game "If it's not fun, what's the point of spending the money?" I would like to fight every nit and bish to the end...if only I knew where they were. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
So..if the rest of you guys got a positive comment, share it. If not, keep it to yourself.
HTC...this will be my last protest, literally. I do not see the advantage of this particular strategy, and how it adds to the gameplay.
Thanks,
wizzer
[This message has been edited by wizzer (edited 03-05-2001).]
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I'm okay with the loss of the radar tracks though it would be nice to at least have the sector bars at all times. That at least will tell you how hot the area is.
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Wizzer, you are not going ANYWHERE untill I FINALY manage to shoot you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)... been tryin' to do that for over a year now and still haven't succeeded...
<S!>
Saw
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Hummm wizzer , i remember the radar device on Spitfire Mk IX and on Bf 109 during WWII
you understand what i mean....
I know its hard to defend your dar when you are outnumbered... (happens for bish and knight sometimes...)
Maybe this Uterus.. err this map provide a better gangbanging...
so wait for the new map with version 1.06 and pray for a good one
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nono
56th (FG) FIREBIRDS RAF
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With all due respect Wizzer:
A) I never heard you complain when the Knits had dar down for an entire Sat.and Sunday (about 1 or 2 weeks ago?...)
B) A Majority of folks on this BBS are asking for no radar, just think of it as user-end delivered.
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Good points Wizzer.
In RL, without radar, enemy could still be spotted and reported by ground observers.
I think that this should be simulated in this game. When an enemy plane gets within icon range of a base it should show up as a dot. A sector alert should come up in that grid, and should remain up untill the tower loses sight of that dot, either by max distance, or con flies behind a hill. Friendlies should also be marked in a similar manner.
eskimo
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in the MA I don't think dar should ever be down. For wizzer's reasons and for eskimos and simply for fair and fun play.
lazs
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If you want radar, protect it. There is ways to prevent Radar going down.
As a Rook flyer, I will whine on channel 1 about the unfairness of numbers this tour, and the lack of interest it leads to from Rookland's perspective. But this has nothing to do with radar. I am yet to see a numerous enough attack to be unable to oppose. Even with this tour numbers, I can hardly see more than 3/4 buffs IB our radar (well, the little time we have radar on between long blackouts (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)).
If you want radar, fly interceptors like G-10. You will be over 30k in no time, and 30mm chew buffs as breakfast.
I say it is OK like it is now. Even from a Rook flyer's perspective.
Cheers,
Pepe
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why would you even bother to fly if you didnt have radar and everyone else did? Masochist? doesn't seem to help rooks numbers much.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs:
why would you even bother to fly if you didnt have radar and everyone else did? Masochist? doesn't seem to help rooks numbers much.
lazs
Actually, I have my best ATA sorties with no dar...grab a rear field, get alt, loiter over next potential/logical target for the enemy, and vulch them as they come in to attack it.
It's also a good inspiration tool for getting folks that are interested in something other than furballs to join up missions and 'pay them back'. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Lazs, Rook don't care about numbers....thats why we whine about it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Btw, it takes a brave man to fly rook these days. <S!> Rookies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe.
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Originally posted by lazs:
why would you even bother to fly if you didnt have radar and everyone else did? Masochist? doesn't seem to help rooks numbers much.
lazs
Lazs, Lastnight would have been a great time for your furball arena. After logging in to see 52 Bishops 64 Knights and 19 Rooks with the Rooks down to 5 bases and being gangbanged, No DAR and city at 1% I would have tried out your idea's in the furball arena.
Mox
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About time someone else was on the receiving end for this tour. The whole past tour in the "Islands of Adventure", Knights had to deal with the constant hammering of the Rooks and Bishops , we most of the time ended up in the SE corner of the map which was the most vulnerable of all also at an strategic disadvantage.
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With regards to the last tour, I would like to see some numbers on how many resets each country gained. (aka, who won the war more and against who did they defeat)
I don't think the rooks won as many times as knits or bishes last tour.
The only thing saddening with this tour is that a lot of the good squads rotated out, so getting a good multi-squad mission going will be tough.
edit - no disrespect to the squads that have stuck with rooks!
[This message has been edited by Moose11 (edited 03-06-2001).]
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I hate when dar is down but I hate it worse when it's down for hours.
Pepe your comment about defending Radar would be fine except when you have these dipshits that fly off the map so you don't know they are there till it's to late.
I can see having some dar down but not all of it. Sector bars should never go off in the main.
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Mighty,
I agree 100% that off-the-map dweebs should be taken as a serious threat to this game. This is, in my list, the worst and dirtiest trick in this game. I did it once, back in 1.02, or something like that. No fun at all. Just a sense of cheating.
Personally, I would rate these gamers lowest in my respect scale. At least hackers have to show their skills. These people don't. They even lack the decency (most of them) to admit that this is a dirty trick. It will be fair to fix this, I would say bug, instead of alter Radar settings.
Anyway, I still think the same. Radar settings are OK in my book, except for sector bars for NOE flyers.
Radar down for hours meas that my country just let the town go down, and then, let the Radar go down too. I take 2.5 no radar time as a punishment. Same when I seldom fly a C-Hog (always on a Jabo role), I obligue myself to fly Zeke for double the time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Cheers,
Pepe
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I offered a suggestion that would provide relief, but no one seemed to pay it any attention.
Chain the radar, each base providing a zone similar to what it does now. Take out a base or multiple base radar causing blind spots in a countries defense...this losing the entire dar by one lancaster or one sortie is not very realistic...I could be wrong, but what countries radar is facilitated through one structure?
In addition, strat might be enhanced by this configuration. Large attack forces could be flown thru these dead zones undetected...might be fun.
Dar is in this sim to help us find the fights so we can have fun...it's a good thing, perhaps it needs a tweak (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ice
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I couldn't care less of radar... it could be as well turn off totally.
or only sector bars left, with bigger sectors.
25 mile sectors bothers me, too small when you can see almost from edge to edge when being in the middle.
Or get back to that WarBirds model - point red arrow to closest bunch of enemies from each field and white arrow to friendlies.
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Rip, you remain a constant in your virtual world.
I usually work all day and get home around 7:00 pm with an hour or two to fly. The numbers be Damned, it's sometimes just not worth the effort if you can't tell where anyone is at, in the entire southern hemisphere of the map. For me furball island is not the answer. Nor is the full blown "march in step" squad pack mentality. The FTs are a pretty loose squad, and we have loads of fun flying together and yes even taking bases occasionally. But I'll sleep that night even if we don't.
I do like Ice's chained dar idea, without total loss of Dar (sector counters). I don't know if that's a problem for HTC to program or not.
wizzer
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I don't care one whit about the dar.
If some bad guys knock it out it means one of two things:
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- They are intent on hitting your resources and don't want you to know it, or;
- They want to fly the bombers into your forward fields, drop the hangars, and get the goon in undetected.[/list=a]
#1 is no prob- they can have my resources too if they like. #2 can be a prob if the bad guys run away from any fight. If they are intent on playing "Stratego" without "Risk" then I take the "Chutes N Ladders" out of the arena for the night... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"Chain the radar, each base providing a zone similar to what it does now. Take out a base or multiple base radar causing blind spots in a countries defense...this losing the entire dar by one lancaster or one sortie is not very realistic...I could be wrong, but what countries radar is facilitated through one structure?"
I missed that the first time. I agree 100% with this. No central radar for a country, please.
Or make being a bombardier a hell of alot more difficult than it is now.
Screw that.
I vote for putting in ICE's idea AND make bombing a learned skill with some complexity.
-Westy
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From the zillions of times this issue has been debated here, I assume Htc. will take, sadly, no action.
I really miss the navigation skills needed in brand W buffs, due to the nature of Norden sights. Besides that, no jinking allowed if you are to have a chance to make an accurate drop.
It is really (from my point of view) a pity that this otherwise excellent sim lacks in this field a minimum of pilot skill.
I'm not flying buff missions if I can possibly avoid them, because they are utmost boring. Waipoints are mostly useless here. No big difference either you are a careful, accurate navigator, or you are a point and click gamer. Mission Planner is only a way of putting planes together, while waypoint utility severely hampered.....
With this difficulty modelled, I could even pass with the buff defensive system power, or whith the stratobuffs. Without it...oh well.
Cheers,
Pepe.
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ice... your idea is better than nothing (or what we have now).
wizz... I agree. I fly for an hour or two at nite and am not the least bit interested in "paying em back" or joining in some boring (to me) mission. I want to have fun for my short time online. I believe that newer guys and guys who don't read or participate in this board mostly feel the same.
I sometimes feel the the "vets" are the most boring part of this game. I guess I am the perennial newbie of flight sims. A veritable omega dweeb.... I just want to know where the biggest fite is and go there. The rest of the stuff just seems.... anal.
lazs
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I like the idea of "chaining" the radars.
Make bombing the HQ do something, like remove total coverage, or increase down time when you bomb the radars at bases. But being able to deprive players of all radar with one sortie is just not cool IMHO. It's relatively easy to do.
I like that idea Ice! You should post it in Gameplay & Feedback forum. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The problem is simple: Its no fun to play when you cant PLAY. You end up talking all over country channel begging for info on NME activity, and the next thing you know, by the time you get there, nothing.
I find it very unrealist, Non-Fun, and frustrating when I log on at night, and find zero dar, zero counters, ZERO FUN.
Just what am I supposed to do....guess where to fly?