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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Randy1 on December 27, 2012, 06:53:38 AM
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Got a TrackrIR for Christmas. Any tips on setting it up. So far I have it on smooth and have unchecked the x,y and z axis but it works as I think it should but it is a bit hard to get use too.
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There is a big thread in Hardware forum with peoples settings etc :aok
hurrah! for track ir :banana:
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Got a TrackrIR for Christmas. Any tips on setting it up. So far I have it on smooth and have unchecked the x,y and z axis but it works as I think it should but it is a bit hard to get use too.
Why do you have the three axes UN-checked? To me, the ability to not only rotate *around* each axis but to move in a straight line *along* each axis is very important. It's what allows me to "lean" around the canopy framing in planes like the A6M or the 109.
BTW, I have buttons on my throttle set up for the TrackIR 5 "center" command and the on/off toggle, and I use them both pretty often.
Also, after using the "track clip" with the passive reflectors for a few years with my old TrackIR 3, I recently tried out the "track clip pro" with the active LEDs and I like the latter unit *much* more. It is, however, pretty fragile. Mine has broken twice in the last year, simply from carelessly placing the headset on my computer desk. Familiarize yourself with quick-set epoxy. ;)
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I agree with Bino. Play with the scaling on X,Y, and Z so you have a bit of a dead band around the center point. It's handy to be able to move around canopy rails and look over the side of the cockpit. The only axis I disabled was roll. No more queasies.
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Randy, check here for a write up on TrackIR http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,329017.0.html
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here's mine.
http://www.mediafire.com/?kwndou3zc19bdqz
midway
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Being able to use the translation axises as well as the rotation axises freely is one of the greatest advantages to using TrackIR. And the way that reflector sights work, as long as you can see the center, that's where your rounds will go.
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Your posts should get me going in the right direction.
I took out the X,Y and Z because I had so much trouble making a shot but I can see from the post that was not such a good idea so I will do my reading that y'all have posted and give it another go with xy and z turned on.
I will make some changes in my buttons too so I can center and turn off the Tracker.
As always you guys are quick to help out with a lot of good information.
Off to read and practice.
Thanks again.
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Your posts should get me going in the right direction.
I took out the X,Y and Z because I had so much trouble making a shot but I can see from the post that was not such a good idea so I will do my reading that y'all have posted and give it another go with xy and z turned on.
I will make some changes in my buttons too so I can center and turn off the Tracker.
As always you guys are quick to help out with a lot of good information.
Off to read and practice.
Thanks again.
Fugi's quoted thread is excellent. For myself, I set up enough deadband in all axes so that I could put my head back in a roughly golf ball sized spot and not have any motion. For me, it worked much better than pressing a button to turn it on/off.
One absolutely critical thing is to put in the time to get it how you want it. Make a change, try it out. If it's irritating you, tweak it again. Just keep at it until it's just how you want it, and at least for me, it paid off in spades.
I went from being able to track where one con was relative to me to being able to track 3 cons and being able to judge their E states much better. Could be I was just ready to make that leap in judgement, but I believe the TIR helped a lot.
YMMV of course, I know a few guys that just didn't like it and couldn't make it work for them. I personally can't fly without it.
Wiley.
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...It is, however, pretty fragile. Mine has broken twice in the last year, simply from carelessly placing the headset on my computer desk. Familiarize yourself with quick-set epoxy. ;)
UPDATE:
I posted a message on the TrackIR BBS asking that they consider molding it out of something more durable. Their tech support manager replied, and since I bought my TrackClip PRO this past July, I now have a new unit on the way, under warranty. I'm a happy Naturalpoint customer. :)
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i hang my headphones and trackir on a dremel stand with a hook on it :old:
Its one of those telescopic ones it was only cheap to buy.
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Wiley, that does seem to be the common thread through everything I have read.
I ran out of USB ports so I had to order a powered hub. As soon as that comes in I can get back to practice.
Thanks everyone for making this easier.
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I got the powered USB installed yesterday afternoon then spent the time to adjust and practice with the trackir. Went to the MA online and got my first shot down on the first flight. Wow! It really helps follow the red guy
This really works well although I am still having a problem looking back with the exception of the La7 which doesn't have a head rest to look around. I can lean back and to the side and get it to work sometimes. When it works looking back it works well.
I would never gotten off with such a quick start without y'all's help.
Thanks again.
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Wait til you fly the 47D-11. The view goes all wonky when you try to look up. I always have to shake my head to get it back to normal.
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Wait til you fly the 47D-11. The view goes all wonky when you try to look up. I always have to shake my head to get it back to normal.
Interesting. I ran into this tonight. The only way to break it loose was shaking my head. As it turned out, a lamp was on behind me and that through off the trakir and locked it up. The camera view showed the problem the extra light source. I wonder if you are having a similar problem.
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Randy, check here for a write up on TrackIR http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,329017.0.html
Also a tip from me. don't shut off the X,Y,Z as Bino said, those axis are invaluable, BUT note that the vertical axis can cause significant problems as a side effect of moving your head fore and aft. This is due to the geometry of the camera being higher than your TrackIR LEDs. So as you move closer to the screen, the camera has to look "down" to see the LEDs. This is interpreted as your head moving down, and makes it very difficult in planes like the F4U, where you need to move your head forward and up to look behind you.
The cure is a simple one. Reviewing Fugitive's write up, you will see the plot showing the "scaling" of the track IR sensitivity. Notice that the plot is V-shaped, meaning mostly "Symetric". If this was the Vertical axis, it would mean your view moves Up and Down from the off center position with similar amplitude to similar inputs. But the plot does not have to be v-shaped. Uncheck the "Mirror" box and then up and down can be set seperately. Turn the sensitivity for the part of the motion LOWER than the center position to a very flat slope (I believe that is the left side of the plot.). Then turn the sensitivity for the motion ABOVE center position parabolically (as shown in Fugative's example). Now your head can bob up and down to see over the nose, and behind you, but will never go below the "centered" position when you move forward or backward, or any other direction.
Hope that helps. :salute
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Vinkman, I had turned back on the XYZ but the plots are the presets. I will set it as you suggested and give that a go. That sure sounds like a good idea and another place for a fine tune
I can look back without any problem on the La7 since there is no headrest. I can look back on the P51 or the P47M around the head rest by leaning to right then looking back left but that does not always work. Is that the way everyone looks back or should I push the xyz plots to get it to read a look right and back?
If I get a chance today I will set up a new file and push the setting to take advantage of the power of the TrackIR. Until now I really had not grasp all the ways the system can be modified.
I have use the speed slider to slow it down and smooth slider to smooth it out. I try to be able scan read the degrees as they slide by in the setup window.
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Randy, you should be able to look lean right, turn right, to look behind you to the right. There is a box to select in the AH View menu of the Clipboard that says TrackIR move relative. That needs to be sected along with a matching check box (it has a similar name) in the track IR software. The reason this is important is that you always wnat the direction your virtual head is facing to be "forward". For example if you are sitting in the plan looking forward and you move your head towards to the monitor, your virtual head (or view) moves towards the instrument panel of the plane. But when you turn your head enough that you view is looking over the seat at the tail of the aircraft, you want to move your head away from the monitor to get your view to pull back from the seat so you get a bigger view of the tail section. So the software has to reverse all the inputs when your "virtual head" is looking behind you. Checking these boxes will do that, and the Track will work intuitively just like moving in real life would. Many don't understand this about TrackIR and end up learning to use their head like a joystick, instead of like...well...your natural head movements.
Hope that helps. :salute